And the Grammy goes to...

[oni flygon]

Okay, I'm just returning a bit from my leave to post this... it's the Grammy awards winners!

http://www.grammy.com/Grammy_Awards/Annual_Show/48_nominees.aspx

Well, the winners are highlighted as the show goes on... and of course I'm always rooting up to my favorite band... and a couple of others... =D

*waves old 80s U2 flag* XD

[Akio123]

Kanye West was robbed for Record of the Year. Green day is way to mainstream for my taste.

[Eliana]

Green day is way to mainstream for my taste.
And I think you have major brain damage. Kay? Kay. =)

And I'm not saying this out of a perspective of a Green Day fan, but out of logic;

I've come to realize, that Green Day hasn't been mainstream at all; It's the fans that have been getting them on the radio so much.


Wait, are you implying that...

KANYE WEST? NOT Mainstream? *cracks up* Honey, you're speaking to a girl who listens to about 100 different bands and knows 500 more.

Anyways, back to what I was saying...

I was literally shaking when Green Day won. I didn't expect them to win, considering Mariah was getting all the attention to my great dismay.


I would like to give a huge congradulations to U2 for winning so many Grammy's, and for ALBUM OF THE YEAR! They truly deserved it. You guys rock.


~Eli

[Akio123]

Oh I am not saying Kanye West is not mainstream, I am saying that Green Day seems alittle like overplayed. I don't hate Green Day, they are just not my favorite band. I am entitled to my opinion and so are you, but I will not start a flame war over something like this.

[Sean the Wicked]

For the record, Green Day is overplayed, especially nowadays. Their new album doesn't even derserve recognition because they're becoming like all the other artists and just doing what people want them to do: not what they want.

On the subject of mainstream music: Kelly Clarkson and Kanye West should be shot. Mmkay.

Also, U2 is not rock, they are pop and System of a Down did not derserve best Hard Rock, as well as the fact that Slipknot sucks beyond all fathomable reason and should die: Shadows Fall derserved that far more.

Facts.

[Lust]

For the record, Green Day is overplayed, especially nowadays.
Everything is overplayed nowadays so that's not a very good reason to not give someone a Grammy.
On the subject of mainstream music: Kelly Clarkson and Kanye West should be shot. Mmkay.
Please, stop being so ignorant and close-minded, Sean the Wicked, just because you don't like someone because they're too mainstream for you doesn't mean that they should be shot or die. Some people happen to like those artists. And you know what, if you were them and could make millions of dollars by being "mainstream" you would do exactly as they do.
Also, U2 is not rock, they are pop and System of a Down did not derserve best Hard Rock, as well as the fact that Slipknot sucks beyond all fathomable reason and should die: Shadows Fall derserved that far more.

You're nobody to say what is rock and what is not.

BTW, maybe the reason your favorite band, Shadows Fall, didn't win it was because not a lot of people liked them. Or maybe it's because people didn't know about them. Maybe if they had been a little more mainstream they would've won.

[Geometric-sama]

I'm annoyed. U2 beat out "Do You Want To". How could that happen? XD

Well, yes, I agree that nowadays Green Day is overplayed, but their recent album was still good, although I saw nothing special in "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" and, in fact, didn't even like the song much. Mainstream artists are always going to get more exposure in the Grammys.

I'm amused. The television guide here lists the Grammys for tomorrow night as a "live" broadcast.

[Bekki]

As I am from the UK we only get the results in the morning as we wake up. I am glad that U2 won awards but as I scan throgh the winners section of the Grammy's site is that I don't know who some of the are. I think that I am being stupid here but I can be like that sometimes. ^_^

[Geometric-sama]

Well, obviously the Grammys are going to be focused more on those artists well-known in America, and having been watching the UK and US charts in addition to the Aussie charts for the last few years, I can safely say that the popular artists in those two countries are very different.

[Johto Boy]

I know nothing about the Grammys, all that I know is that Big Ben Roethlisberger was there introducing someone. And he got his beard shaved off...

[Geometric-sama]

The Grammys are basically the biggest awards in music. Like the Oscars of music. ^_^

[sleazel]

SlipKnoT Won Best Metal Performance, & System Of A Down Won Best Hard Rock Performance... Thats All I Care About!




- im not going to say that they deserved it... I believe nine inch nails & ministry were up for one or both of those.... but they won & im happy for them

[Karasuma]

Linkin Park and Jay-Z won for best Collaboration. That pretty much made me happy, at least I know my fave band won one award at least.

And the U2 with Mary J. Blidge performance was okay.

[Dragonite Tamer]

I like Green Day and I'm glad they won the award but I admit that their music is played waaay too often.

[Thomas-san]

Well The White Stripes won best Alternative Album just as I thought, but that is cool, they are an aweosme band, I just really wanted Death Cab For Cutie to win.

[Eliana]

This is off subject, but I'm going to say this right now:

Shut the fat up about Green Day being overplayed.

Seriously. I'm REALLY fed up with everyone complaning about it. It's NOT their fault. They do not sit there begging the radio to play their songs. The fans do. Kay? Kay.

[Ryoutarou]

This is off subject, but I'm going to say this right now:

Shut the fat up about Green Day being overplayed.

Seriously. I'm REALLY fed up with everyone complaning about it. It's NOT their fault. They do not sit there begging the radio to play their songs. The fans do. Kay? Kay.
How about you don't tell people what they can and can't post? If something's played more than one song, that's a fact, not an opinion.

[Kurosaki~Dragon]

I'm annoyed. U2 beat out "Do You Want To". How could that happen? XD



I feel the same way xD though if Coldplay won I wouldn't mind that either ^^ -holds up Coldplay Flag-

Tomasu-san, me too me too, it would have been nice for Death Cab for Cutie to win :(

LCD Soundsystem should have won best Best Electronic/Dance Album >< Their song Tribulations is just off the hook xD

[Starfish Prime]

For the record, Green Day is overplayed, especially nowadays. Their new album doesn't even derserve recognition because they're becoming like all the other artists and just doing what people want them to do: not what they want.

On the subject of mainstream music: Kelly Clarkson and Kanye West should be shot. Mmkay.

Also, U2 is not rock, they are pop and System of a Down did not derserve best Hard Rock, as well as the fact that Slipknot sucks beyond all fathomable reason and should die: Shadows Fall derserved that far more.

Facts.

Opinions. =(

I've gotta say, I watched some of it and I frankly got bored of it. I detest award shows, but meh. SOAD did deserve their award(s?), in my opinion...Mesmerize and Hypnotize are great albums...love them both. <3 Glad SliPKnoT won for best metal performance. Hopefully next year, Shadows Fall will be more known...I agree with you there, The War Within was a masterpiece from start to finish. I'm still not tired of it. I'll always remember the one comment about Shadows Fall...'death metal on melody pills'. Heh. But yeah. I'm not gonna whine about 'boohoo maria careey sux0rz and shuld die' It's the fan's vote, and I'm not qualified to say it's a right or wrong choice. And one more thing...about Green Day getting overplayed? Hello? Doesn't everything get overplayed nowadays? 10 Years - Wasteland. I heard that 4 times in one hour sitting in a grocery store parking lot a few weeks ago. Great song, but I was like 'o_O;'. Which is why I don't listen to the radio often. I'll get tired of all my music. XD

[Sean the Wicked]

Everything is overplayed nowadays so that's not a very good reason to not give someone a Grammy.
The Grammys aren't about talent anymore, they're about popularity. That's ********.

Please, stop being so ignorant and close-minded, Sean the Wicked, just because you don't like someone because they're too mainstream for you doesn't mean that they should be shot or die. Some people happen to like those artists. And you know what, if you were them and could make millions of dollars by being "mainstream" you would do exactly as they do.
Yes, yes it is a perfect reason for someone to be drug into the street and shot. Real musicians don't make music for others, they do it for themselves. It sounds selfish, but it's really not. And no, I wouldn't do exactly what they do, because I have a band and we refuse people who come up to us and try to get us mainstream.

You're nobody to say what is rock and what is not.
No, actually, as an avid listener to almost all forms of music, I believe I'm a perfect person to say what is rock. Actually, I'm pretty sure nine-tenths of the world agrees with me.

BTW, maybe the reason your favorite band, Shadows Fall, didn't win it was because not a lot of people liked them. Or maybe it's because people didn't know about them. Maybe if they had been a little more mainstream they would've won.
Shadows Fall isn't my favorite band. And again, you prove me right that the Grammys are merely a popularity contest, like everything in the world.

And Blackheart: facts.

[Geometric-sama]

I agree about the popularity thing - there's a lot of underground bands that, in my opinion, deserve more recognition, but don't get it. As a musician myself, I don't care if other people like what I do or not - I play because it helps me, and because it makes me happy to be playing music.

However, mainstream or not, all artists have a right to be heard. Much as I love rock and punk music, I still like listening to Kelly Clarkson. XD So sue me.

[Jack O'Neill]

The Grammys aren't about talent anymore, they're about popularity. That's ********.Well, that's the way the world works nowadays. You can either whine about it, or you can actually do something about it.

Yes, yes it is a perfect reason for someone to be drug into the street and shot.Is it a valid justification for murder? NO. They have not broken any federal laws; thusly, you can't touch them.

No, actually, as an avid listener to almost all forms of music, I believe I'm a perfect person to say what is rock. Actually, I'm pretty sure nine-tenths of the world agrees with me.And does that automatically make you an official arbiter of what is rock and what is not? No. And I'm pretty sure that you don't speak on behalf of the 5.4 billion or so people that you claim agree with you.

facts.OPINIONS.

While I may not agree with what you have to say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it. You're entitled to your opinions, I'm entitled to mine, and they're all entitled to theirs. That's all.

[Geometric-sama]

Hey guys, tone it down, we don't want flaming here. I think he was just saying "should be shot" as in the common expression. He doesn't mean he actually wants them to be murdered.

[Samurai X]

Actually it's not a popularity contest, supposedly, people from the Recording Academy vote for the winners. This is a mainstream award show, what did you expect? They're not going to give the award out to somebody no one knows even if they did make a great song that deserves it.

[Geometric-sama]

Alright, I just watched the telecast (they put it out in Australia a day after). I roffled at them starting to play Mariah Carey when U2 won the award. The performances were pretty good this year, although I'd have liked some punk in there too. I was a bit disappointed at John Legend winning Best New Artist over Fall Out Boy (who aren't NEW anyway) but I guess he deserves it too.

[Eliana]

How about you don't tell people what they can and can't post? If something's played more than one song, that's a fact, not an opinion.

Twisting my words, now are we?

This is why I hate posting at certain places. People twist your words, they do. =)

Of course they are overplayed. I don't like it. No one does. But bottomline is, everything on the radio is overplayed, not just Green Day. Ever think about that? 8D I think not. Kelly Clarkson is as overplayed as Green Day.

I did not say they couldn't post. Did I ever say that? Nope. Did not.

And you know what? Fact and opinion aren't even cared about anymore, people go with they want to believe, whether you like it or not. D: Sorry, reality sucks. Deal.

Oh, and at Sean, because I feel I should justify music o.o

1) Just a question: Do you live in the mind of Billie Joe Armstrong? Do you know this is what he doesn't want to do? =) Sorry, I don't believe so. And secondly, are you saying this because just about 70% of everyone else is saying this, or because you actually believe this? D: Everything is becoming a sellout, dear. It's a cliche by now. Being called "Not a sellout" should be an insult at this rate. =/

2) ...Okay, well fine, I agree with the Kelly and Kanye West thing. Fine, you got me there. XD

3) ...Don't you EVER call U2 Pop again. How dare you even say that? They were a Punk band in the 80's, then moving through different genres until today. That's what makes them special. They aren't really any genre. Kay? Kay.

4)...Dayum. Got me again. I pretty much despise SOAD and Slipknot, =/ I think Disturbed should have been nominated something.

[Akio123]

Ok can we please just get back on topic. People are offending other people for no reason.

[Sean the Wicked]

Hey guys, tone it down, we don't want flaming here. I think he was just saying "should be shot" as in the common expression. He doesn't mean he actually wants them to be murdered.
I like you. You have common sense. Thank you for bringing intelligence.

[oni flygon]

Sean, I can't see how you can label U2 as "pop" as I'm sure that you must not have heard their older material and maybe because rock music has been so diluted nowadays to just screaming and meshed power chords to the point that the Beatles and Elvis have failed to justify their cause to you. ;P Also, you've been warned for swearing.

Anyways, simmer down people. We don't want to get violent in here. I see another argument and you get a warning for it.

[Sean the Wicked]

Sean, I can't see how you can label U2 as "pop" as I'm sure that you must not have heard their older material and maybe because rock music has been so diluted nowadays to just screaming and meshed power chords to the point that the Beatles and Elvis have failed to justify their cause to you. ;P Also, you've been warned for swearing.

Anyways, simmer down people. We don't want to get violent in here. I see another argument and you get a warning for it.
Dammit. Dammit. Dammit. Oh wait. I don't care.

U2, by definition of musical genres, is now pop. If you want to stretch it, I will bend for pop-rock.

Oh, and it's not my fault your censor system is a failure.

[Akio123]

U2 in the long run is not pop.

[Bomberman]

The Grammies are a joke. It's all corruption. The major record label is pushing Mariah Carey's "comeback", are you surprised the Grammies like it too?
Are you surprised that the crappy songs you hear a couple times on the radio immediatly get their videos played on horrible media outlets such as MTV?

Everything is overplayed nowadays so that's not a very good reason to not give someone a Grammy.


Everything is overplayed? Please. Tons great albums by quality artists came out in '05. Hardly any were even mentioned on the Grammies. If you want to venture out into truly great music, you'll have to do more than turn on the radio or put on VH1. You'll need tap into the uncorrupted music sites on the net. One of the best music review sites I know is http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/
If you get your music and music news from sources such as Rolling Stone, you are not a real "music enthusiast". RS, MTV, VH1, etc, just reccommened what's trendy to get readers. For example, in 1975, RS said Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here was a horrible album with outragous misuse of the synth.
Thirty years later, in 2005 (I think), they rated it one of their top 500 albums of all time.

[Lust]

Akinari said not to argue anymore.

Did you guys see how Stevie Wonder was poking fun of his blindness when he was presenting an award with Alisha Keys? xD

[oni flygon]

Dammit. Dammit. Dammit. Oh wait. I don't care.

U2, by definition of musical genres, is now pop. If you want to stretch it, I will bend for pop-rock.

Oh, and it's not my fault your censor system is a failure.
Ah sure. It's not my forums and I don't control the censors so I guess it's up to that person's maturity to recognize the right moment and oppurtunity to use such words around these parts. Shame, really.

But yeah. I prefer not to waste my time on people like you. You've been warned again.

[Bomberman]

Akinari said not to argue anymore.


I'm not, just telling people my opinion.

[oni flygon]

I'm not, just telling people my opinion.
Yeah, I can see yours as one. But I do agree with you that most about these award shows are politics. And probably partially about reputation of the artists or their tendancies. But otherwise, I'm assuming that some of these artists may have won some obscure cattegory the Grammy has... seriously... over 100 cattegories?

[Geometric-sama]

I see more flaming approaching.

I think I know what you mean by calling U2 pop. What you're doing is confusing pop music as a genre with popular music in and of itself. When you're talking about pop music as opposed to classical music, then yes, you may call U2 pop. However, when you separate popular music into its own genres and sub-genres, then U2 is not pop - it's more alternative rock.

[Dignity]

ja, you have a really good point right thar. Um, but anyways... The Grammys pretty much sucked. I would have hated for Fall Out Boy to win something, because that means then... They, well, sold out to teeny-boppers. But, it isn't their fault, just like it isn't Green Day's fault. So... Isn't this thread supposed to be about the Grammys, and not "oh who's sold out and who isn't"? I think it's supposed to be about the Grammys, it HAS that in its title... But, meh. System won something? Congrats to them, I didn't even know. Yeah, I have to say that the only good act on there was U2, and then Mary J. Blige ruined it. Linkin Park, too... But Jay-Z massacred it. So... Well, the Grammys were okay. Even though U2 won so many Grammys (which I'm so proud of them for! I knew they could do it!) for some reason, they didn't sell out. U2 is U2, man. It's Bono. Bono can't sell out, XD; That's just my two cents, please don't bash meh on it. ~Diggie

[Geometric-sama]

No, Fall Out Boy would not have "sold out" just by winning an award. You can't make a band sell out by giving them an award, because that's not what it's about. Selling out is about the attitude to the music - whether they're doing music for themselves because they love it, or because they want to make money out of it. And it's about whether they are writing songs in a certain way just to make them appeal to, as you put it, "teenyboppers". As long as you make the music for the music - you're not a sellout.

I actually have to admit I like the Jay-Z/Linkin Park combination. I bought the album and everything.

[Lust]

The Jay Z/Linkin Park combination was freaking great. The album was great. Mary J. Blige ruined the U2 performance.

[Geometric-sama]

Oh, was that who that was? I had no idea who it was... U2 were decent but I'm not a big fan and never have been.

[oni flygon]

Ah Mary J. Blige singing the U2 classic: "One", proclaimed the best U2 song ever recorded. The performance was okay for me but in my opinion, I wanted Bono to be singing a little bit more and he should've added the extra lines "Here us knocking, Lord..." at the end whenever he plays the song live and then a medley to "Unchained Melody". But yeah... it's something for a change that they played an old song in the Grammies...

[Geometric-sama]

I didn't even know what the song was, to be honest. XD