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Flabébé
February 15th, 2006, 03:33 PM
Some people believe in reincarnation (thats dying and bring born as another person). others believe in going to heaven. I belive that when I die i will go to heaven. What do you think?

Rai
February 15th, 2006, 03:35 PM
I beleive that people go to Heavan or Hell. And when they feel ready to go back to Earth they are reincarnated

Ryoutarou
February 15th, 2006, 03:36 PM
Just a cautionary post, keep everything in here civil. Threads like these tend to get out of hand.

On topic, I believe in the three destination areas of the soul, purgatory, hell and heaven. Then there's the nine circles of hell and the different areas of those circles(Example, the ninth circle contains four zones while the eighth circle contains 10 ditches). There's also the three specters of heaven, but that's too confusing to get into and I really don't believe that part.

Flabébé
February 15th, 2006, 03:38 PM
I will do my best Kazuhito. If they want to. Ya know I never thought about if they wanted to. They could i geuss.

Zelos
February 15th, 2006, 03:42 PM
Ahhh, I believe completely that you either go to Heaven or hell. I don't believe that you're reincarnated or anything...(I hope this thread doens't go out of control like the others have X.X)

Flabébé
February 15th, 2006, 03:45 PM
(me to) If people honestly wanted to, god would send them back to Earth.

Ryoutarou
February 15th, 2006, 03:48 PM
(me to) If people honestly wanted to, god would send them back to Earth.
...guess I'm getting into it.

That's the principle of one of the areas of heaven. If a person was impure in life, but not criminal enough to go to hell, and not confused enough to land in purgatory, they start in the first specter of heaven. Mios I think it's called, it's basically where you relive life as a "memory" while having the opportunity to do things differently than your "real" life.

Meh, really wish I still had that book that had more about it.

Alpham-A-Epsilons
February 15th, 2006, 03:52 PM
Hmm I like to read that book

Anyways I belive I will go to heaven of hell and in due time be Reincarnated

Bocky
February 15th, 2006, 03:58 PM
I believe that you could go to Heaven or Hell. But you have a second chance, reincarnation. So say you get to Heaven and you have a choice to stay or have a second chance at life. It may sound silly but that's what I believe.

Crystal Clair
February 15th, 2006, 04:54 PM
I really believe that all different events happen. It all depends on what happens in your life. If you leave your lifetime, with unresolved troubles, you'd turn into a ghost. If you leave your lifetime completely content, you go to Nirvana (my word for a place like heaven), if you leave your lifetime content but ready to experience more or leave it sad and devastated, you go to your next self and start over there.
I can even remember my last few lifetimes. But I feel silly when I tell people that I was once a Pokemon trainer. So silly -_-

Spectrum
February 15th, 2006, 04:58 PM
Just a cautionary post, keep everything in here civil. Threads like these tend to get out of hand.
The fact that posts like these are needed is indeed very sad.

I believe in reincarnation, mostly because if mankind is stupid enough to get themselves into the state they're in today, the whole theory of the brain controlling itself makes no sense at all.

sk0237
February 15th, 2006, 04:59 PM
I believe people go to heaven or hell.

Spectrum
February 15th, 2006, 05:01 PM
I believe people go to heaven or hell.
Okay, and what factors would decide where you go to?

Ryoutarou
February 15th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Okay, and what factors would decide where you go to?
If you were a criminal in life, if you know what you did was wrong, if you repent, things like that.

Spectrum
February 15th, 2006, 05:41 PM
If you were a criminal in life, if you know what you did was wrong, if you repent, things like that.
Yeah, but that's in your beliefs. I'm asking what his specific beliefs are.

Greed
February 15th, 2006, 06:06 PM
I believe everybody is controlled by God. Even their actions are made by God.

If a person kills another, it was God's horrible will. If a person saves another, it was God's great will. As much as I hate saying this, I honestly believe we're puppets of God. He's like a child, toying with us and enjoying every minute of it. Our paths have been chosen, we are not masters of our destiny.

I can't believe in this Hell statements. I don't think God would create us just to d.amn "bad" people.

I believe when a person dies, they go to a place like Heaven/Nirvana/paradise whatever. I don't know much after that. If I think about it I get a headache.

Samurai X
February 15th, 2006, 06:13 PM
I think that whe you die you will go to heaven or hell, I don't really believe in reincarnation. I also think that we are controlled by God, not taking control of your life and the actions you make but in other more serious actions, like killing a person or something.

Overlord IX
February 15th, 2006, 06:49 PM
Im certain that when a person dies he goes to heaven or hell depending whether he is saved or not. I seriously doubt the recarnation part.

Flabébé
February 15th, 2006, 07:16 PM
When I read some of your post, they make sence. But one thing I see is if your a criminal u go to Hell but thats not true. If you haven't been saved or, "let god live in you." Then you go to Hell.

Greed, you are not the first person who I have heard say that. Some people say that we have no control on what we do. I think the the exact opposite. I know that I have every control of myslef. If I told you to jump off a house. Do you think your body will drag you onto the house? No, its your choice. Speaking for myself, I know i can do what i want. I know it might not be right but i control my destiny and I beileve in that.

Others say you could do all the right things in life. But you can't. U will sin and that is for certain. The only man who walked this earth without sin is Jesus Christ.

ALso Greed, he didn't make us to be d.amned. We were originally sopossed to go to heaven. But Adam and Eve did the one thing he said not to. They ate the fruit. They did do it to upset him but they were tricked by Satan who disgiused himself as a snake.

Allstories
February 15th, 2006, 07:28 PM
I don't think anything happens when you die.

Flabébé
February 15th, 2006, 07:48 PM
SO you think you jsut dissapear? What about your soul? WHat happens to it?

Micans
February 16th, 2006, 04:18 AM
I'm an atheist, but I kind of believe in reincarnation.

John Denver
February 16th, 2006, 04:36 AM
I'm an atheist, but I kind of believe in reincarnation.

That makes no sense whatsoever...elaborate

On topic, I believe in the three destination areas of the soul, purgatory, hell and heaven. Then there's the nine circles of hell and the different areas of those circles(Example, the ninth circle contains four zones while the eighth circle contains 10 ditches). There's also the three specters of heaven, but that's too confusing to get into and I really don't believe that part.

Never heard it like that. Is that from a book or where did you get that from?

I can't believe in this Hell statements. I don't think God would create us just to d.amn "bad" people.


Why not? Even though God is a God of Love, he's also the Divine Judge, meaning he judges people. So if you didn't repent in your life, why wouldn't he send you to hell?

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Even though I'm usually a jerk and sarcastic, I'm very serious on these kinds of subjects. PC has had countless religious threads in the past, and they've all ended up in flames. Let's all try to be nice eh?

I believe in God. I believe when you die you will see God and Jesus, and God will tell you where you're going depending on whether or not you accepted his son. If you didn't, hell. If you did, heaven.

I don't believe in Reincarnation, because there's no proof for it, whatsoever, not even a speck...

and that's me

Allstories
February 16th, 2006, 11:39 AM
SO you think you jsut dissapear? What about your soul? WHat happens to it?
Uhh, I suppose there's no such thing as a soul?

That makes no sense whatsoever...elaborate
I dunno, I thought about that too. Maybe reincarnation doesn't exist in a spiritual or religious sense or anything, but maybe the consciousness has to switch over to somewhere somehow. I don't actually believe that, but I think it's sort of reasonable to consider it as a possibility.

Micans
February 16th, 2006, 12:38 PM
That makes no sense whatsoever...elaborate

Well, I also believe in paranormal things, like ghosts, so there may be some way for a consciousness to be transferred. Also, I saw some book on Amazon about reincarnation that showed connections between birthmarks and wounds that people who were murdered had. My mind seems to think that it's more logical for dying to just be going to sleep forever with no afterlife, but I seem to want myself to believe in reincarnation because of my fear of death.

Flabébé
February 16th, 2006, 01:18 PM
Uhh, I suppose there's no such thing as a soul?
Thats funny but I have a soul. My parents do, friends, family, enimies. We have souls. Some just dont know it.

MUSION
February 16th, 2006, 03:03 PM
I don't really believe in anything in particular. I'd rather not believe in anything, than believe in something and end up being wrong. My saying for what happens at death is 'wait and see'. I try to be as good a person as I can though, seeing as good people are said to get better 'rewards' at death. Just being on the safe side I guess.

Zelos
February 16th, 2006, 03:26 PM
Even though I'm usually a jerk and sarcastic, I'm very serious on these kinds of subjects. PC has had countless religious threads in the past, and they've all ended up in flames. Let's all try to be nice eh?

I believe in God. I believe when you die you will see God and Jesus, and God will tell you where you're going depending on whether or not you accepted his son. If you didn't, hell. If you did, heaven.

I don't believe in Reincarnation, because there's no proof for it, whatsoever, not even a speck...

and that's me

Finally, a person with the same views as me! ^^ As for all you people that say he wouldn't bring you here to be ***(No, I'm not gonna say it >.>;; ), that's completely wrong(In my opinion anyway). He brought you here because he was lonely, and wanted people that would choose to love and obey him. He lets you make your own choices, you're not controlled. If you choose to accept him, then you are rewarded with eternal life. If you don't, well let's just say you'll be buried more than six feet under(As in Hell >.>)

So....I'm not trying to flame anyone here or start some big hure arguement(Although I think that's already happened). Just merely expressing my opinion and what it says in the Bible ^^

Flabébé
February 16th, 2006, 05:19 PM
Thank you Tyson, I agree.

Greed
February 16th, 2006, 05:25 PM
When I read some of your post, they make sence. But one thing I see is if your a criminal u go to Hell but thats not true. If you haven't been saved or, "let god live in you." Then you go to Hell.

Greed, you are not the first person who I have heard say that. Some people say that we have no control on what we do. I think the the exact opposite. I know that I have every control of myslef. If I told you to jump off a house. Do you think your body will drag you onto the house? No, its your choice. Speaking for myself, I know i can do what i want. I know it might not be right but i control my destiny and I beileve in that.

Others say you could do all the right things in life. But you can't. U will sin and that is for certain. The only man who walked this earth without sin is Jesus Christ.

ALso Greed, he didn't make us to be d.amned. We were originally sopossed to go to heaven. But Adam and Eve did the one thing he said not to. They ate the fruit. They did do it to upset him but they were tricked by Satan who disgiused himself as a snake.

By your jumping off a house example, I'd still say God decides that for us. What stops him from making us do something inmoral?

I do think we have a conscious mind, I just believe that it is an inferior part of us. This "God" is dominant, he did after all, make us who we are. If you asked me to jump off a bridge, my reason would tell me to stop. But God controls us. He could simply -force- me to jump off the bridge; I really believe he has absolute control of us when were "alive". When we die, we were released from the role he had for us in life, and then we go.. I am not sure really. I can't really make out what will happen to us after we die ^^; Who can?


Why not? Even though God is a God of Love, he's also the Divine Judge, meaning he judges people. So if you didn't repent in your life, why wouldn't he send you to hell?

To be honest, I don't have a good answer to that. Even if I did, it'd have to do with my beliefs and those answers really are meaningless when it comes to trying to telling them to others who have their own beliefs.

John Denver
February 16th, 2006, 07:48 PM
...I seem to want myself to believe in reincarnation because of my fear of death.

But....you don't want to believe in God?

Thank you Tyson, I agree.

That was spam...that's twice now...knock it off

Pokedragonfire
February 17th, 2006, 02:25 PM
Well, I also believe in paranormal things, like ghosts, so there may be some way for a consciousness to be transferred. Also, I saw some book on Amazon about reincarnation that showed connections between birthmarks and wounds that people who were murdered had. My mind seems to think that it's more logical for dying to just be going to sleep forever with no afterlife, but I seem to want myself to believe in reincarnation because of my fear of death.

I...

am Atheist.
Don't believe in ghosts.
Don't believe in a god/gods.
Don't believe in reincarnation.

I believe that when you die, you're dead. That's it. Similar to a state before you were born. You just didn't exist. I suppose you can think of it as an eternal sleep, although its more similar to non-existance, no dreams or any loopholes to bring you back. And as for a soul, that's connected to your body. Your "soul" can't exist without your brain. All of your thoughts and ideas and everything that makes you think the way you do, is your brian. Your brain can't exist without your body. So if your dead, so is your "soul".

If you can seriously prove to me that a god/reincarnation/something else exists using the scientific method, I'll believe it. I don't believe a book that was "interpreted" by humans living 2000+ years ago.

Zelos
February 17th, 2006, 03:37 PM
There is no scientifical way to explain, but there is a thing called faith. You know, the thing where you believe in something and in your heart you just know that it's true?

And, don't mean to bring up any more controversial issues, but how do you think that we exist? We just, appeared somehow? The Earth, planets, humans, animals, nature, just appeared out of nowhere? I don't mean to offend your beliefs or anything, I would just like to know your opinion.

Pokedragonfire
February 17th, 2006, 03:53 PM
There is no scientifical way to explain, but there is a thing called faith. You know, the thing where you believe in something and in your heart you just know that it's true?

And, don't mean to bring up any more controversial issues, but how do you think that we exist? We just, appeared somehow? The Earth, planets, humans, animals, nature, just appeared out of nowhere? I don't mean to offend your beliefs or anything, I would just like to know your opinion.

No offence taken.

And for faith, I like logic, I don't believe things without it. I am just a logical person. Religion usually includes very little logic.

I'll answer that question. Honestly, I don't know how got here, but I'm not concerned about it. My most logical explanation is that we were always here. That time is like a line with no beginning or end. There are still so many mysteries in science that we don't have the technology or understanding to explain. But I don't believe in something just because there is no other avaliable reason out there.

And I want to know what you think about this, how did God/whatever superior being that created us get here?

Zelos
February 17th, 2006, 04:22 PM
We can only partially comprehend the notion of God's existence. To do so, we must use human concepts to speak of God: "without beginning or end"; "eternal"; "infinite", etc. The Bible says that He has always existed: " . . . even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Psalm 90:2). And, "Your throne is established from of old; Thou art from everlasting" (Psalm 93:2). Quite simply, God has no beginning and no end. So, where did God come from? He didn't. He always was.

To us, the notion of time is linear. One second follows the next, one minute is after another. We get older, not younger and we cannot repeat the minutes that have passed us by. We have all seen the time lines on charts: early time is on the left and later time is on the right. We see nations, people's lives, and plans mapped out on straight lines from left to right. We see a beginning and an end. But God is "beyond the chart." He has no beginning or end. He simply has always been.

Also, physics has shown that time is a property that is the result of the existence of matter. Time exists when matter exists. Time has even been called the fourth dimension. But God is not matter. In fact, God created matter. He created the universe. So, time began when God created the universe. Before that, God was simply existing and time had no meaning (except conceptually), no relation to Him. Therefore, to ask where God came from is to ask a question that cannot really be applied to God in the first place. Because time has no meaning with God in relation to who He is, eternity is also not something that can be absolutely related to God. God is even beyond eternity.

Quite simply, God never "came into existence," He has always been there. He has no beginning or end, He IS the beginning and the end, the Alpha and the Omega, eternal...

Micans
February 17th, 2006, 06:14 PM
But....you don't want to believe in God?

No, I don't. Atheism is much more logical than theism. Religion was created to avoid fear of death and to explain things that couldn't be explained. Then science came along.

Zelos
February 17th, 2006, 06:50 PM
Yeah, you're making it sound like you know EVERYTHING, which you don't, because if you did you would know that religion isn't just something that you can fall back on as some sort of cushion to explain everything.

Science....how does that explain ANYTHING? All those things that you read about in science books, they're theories, there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that any of those "explanations" are true...Now, how excatly do you believe that we came to be?...

Micans
February 17th, 2006, 06:58 PM
Yeah, you're making it sound like you know EVERYTHING, which you don't, because if you did you would know that religion isn't just something that you can fall back on as some sort of cushion to explain everything.

Science....how does that explain ANYTHING? All those things that you read about in science books, they're theories, there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that any of those "explanations" are true...Now, how excatly do you believe that we came to be?...

How do you explain an omniscient deity suddenly coming into existance?

Zelos
February 17th, 2006, 07:11 PM
Quite simply, God never "came into existence," He has always been there. He has no beginning or end, He IS the beginning and the end, the Alpha and the Omega, eternal...

I think that sums it up nicely.

Micans
February 18th, 2006, 04:15 AM
I think that sums it up nicely.

Well, maybe existance has just always been here, no deity that has "always been here" needed?

ponyta rules
February 18th, 2006, 04:56 AM
I think we go to heaven or hell then if we want we get to live life again as a person or animal.My cat and dog look and seem to sometimes act like people,especially my dog!and my mum always says the've definitely been here before so i think being brought back as a person or animal is what i beleive.

Lily
February 18th, 2006, 06:31 AM
I believe in God...there is a universal link around the world with the same belief. It's up to people whether or not they want to believe, while keeping in mind of other religions and the consequences of the path they take. Merely seeing one side of the argument isn't enough. =P

Allstories
February 18th, 2006, 11:47 AM
Science....how does that explain ANYTHING? All those things that you read about in science books, they're theories, there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that any of those "explanations" are true...Now, how excatly do you believe that we came to be?...

Uhh, the word theory doesn't just mean guess. Most theories have tons and tons of supporting evidence to suggest that they're true. Besides, the burden of proof isn't on science. We already have all the evidence we need. YOU'RE the ones who have to prove to us otherwise. Just because you can't explain something doesn't mean you have to automatically subscribe to an opposing theory.

Zelos
February 18th, 2006, 12:45 PM
Okay, you seem to think that the world /was/ created by noe of these....."theories". How exactly do you think that we all came to be? We just....suddenly appeared one day? What, everything was blank and in the blink if an eye, humans, animals, nature, oceans, darkness, light, everything just appeared? You're telling me that I have to prove you otherwise, and I'm telling you why don't you prove me otherwise? >.>;;

MUSION
February 18th, 2006, 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Tyson
Okay, you seem to think that the world /was/ created by noe of these....."theories". How exactly do you think that we all came to be?
That quote/question is one of the reasons that I am not athiest and why part of me believes that something mystical must exist.

Zelos
February 18th, 2006, 01:03 PM
Oh, well, that's good ^^ I seem to struggle with getting people to ask themselves that question, I mean, how would we just appear? We must have been created by something...or someone -.-'

MUSION
February 18th, 2006, 01:08 PM
Oh, well, that's good ^^ I seem to struggle with getting people to ask themselves that question, I mean, how would we just appear? We must have been created by something...or someone -.-'
Exactly, I mean the 'Big Bang' theory may be true, but something had to have caused that. Supposedly gases or something reacting, but those gases had to have originated somewhere. You can keep tracking further and further back, but no matter how far you go, something mystical had to have started everything off.

Zelos
February 18th, 2006, 01:53 PM
Yes, I totally agree, but I don't think the Earth was formed by gases or anything of that sort at all.

Genesis: Chapter 1: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters

And then it goes on to explain how he created certain things on each day, then he rested on the seventh day, the Sabbath. He blessed the day because he was resting from all the creation. So, that's how I believe we...and everything else, came to be. =D

Esupio
February 18th, 2006, 01:57 PM
If it does happen, I wanna be a squirrel.

But I'm an aeithist so I don't beleive it does

MUSION
February 18th, 2006, 02:02 PM
I'm not really sure what I think, I'm not certain of anything. I believe in life starting out as bacteria etc. evolving more and more over millions of years etc. and thats how we got to be as we are now. But I partly believe that the Earth itself (plus the other planets, the Sun, the stars etc.) all originated from God creating them in some way.

Zelos
February 18th, 2006, 03:10 PM
Well, in the Bible it says that God was lonely, and He wanted people that he could create that would love, comfort, follow, and stay with Him forever. That's why we were created, to be with Him and choose to leave our own selfish ways to follow Him.

If it does happen, I wanna be a squirrel.

But I'm an aeithist so I don't beleive it does

What is "it?"

Memory
February 18th, 2006, 03:18 PM
\I'm basically a logical person. *Shrugs* I'm not sure if I think we go to heaven, or come back to Earth as someone else. I either believe none or both. =/
Dunno why. It seems like I believe in both, because I don't know which to believe, or I believe in none, because it's only logical.

I mean, c'mon, do any of you believe in the tooth fairy or Santa? o_O;
It's basically the same thing; logic. How is some 800 year old guy supposed to fly around with 6 million presents in a small sled led by flying reindeer? o_O; And hand out all of the presents in ONE night? And how is the tooth fairy supposed to give EVERYONE money for a tooth? That's ALOT of money, all added up.

Just my logic.

Allstories
February 18th, 2006, 04:46 PM
How exactly do you think that we all came to be? We just....suddenly appeared one day? What, everything was blank and in the blink if an eye, humans, animals, nature, oceans, darkness, light, everything just appeared?

No one said we all just came into existance magically from nothing. You're just making irrational assumptions attempting to discredit opinions that no one even has. Science suggests that we evolved from single-celled organisms. Over time, over BILLIONS of years. Minute differences that were beneficial to survival were passed on. This is why we've become such complex creatures, because we've had BILLIONS of years to get the formula wrong. You're completely misinformed about the scientific evidence about the origins of mankind. We have a lot more proof than you think.

Zelos
February 18th, 2006, 07:02 PM
Yeah.....where did those organisms come from?....o.O

Kim
February 19th, 2006, 10:17 AM
haven't read all of the replies, but I'm Agnostic, leaning heavily towards Atheism.

Looking at things scientifically, I cannot fathom the existence of any type of god. I also have never been offered any sort of proof whatsoever.

I was not raised to believe in God, either, so that is probably another huge factor.

I also do not believe in a "soul."

But, perhaps the largest reason I do not believe in a "higher power," is this whole "repenting" business. If a criminal molests a child, but repents...well, I'm sorry. Any "loving God" that would accept what an animal like that could do to someone, is not worth my respect, time, or love.



Thus, I believe in no heaven or hell.

Allstories
February 19th, 2006, 11:44 AM
Yeah.....where did those organisms come from?....o.O
I don't know, but just because we don't have the luxury of grossly oversimplifying or approaching in such a vague manner such a huge concept as the origins of makind, it doesn't mean we're wrong, and it doesn't mean we won't have the answers someday. You can't make up answers merely because you can't explain something.

Zelos
February 19th, 2006, 01:46 PM
*Shrugs* I'm not making up anything. Just because you cant see God or that he doesn't speak directely to you, doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. Do you have any prove that he doesn't exist? No, you don't. Therefore, it's possible that he exists, and created everything that you know today.

Kim
February 19th, 2006, 02:40 PM
Keep in mind, Tyson, that he may NOT exist, and may NOT have created everything today. Religious and non-religious folks have to be tolerant in this area.

I believe he said that he has no proof god does NOT exist--do you have any proof that he does?

Chiru
February 19th, 2006, 05:31 PM
I beleive in reincarnation. I have friends who have very vivid memories of things that they did not do in this lifetime, and two of my friends even have memories of things that they did together. I beleive them, too, as they are people whom I trust more than anyone else. I've known all of them for a very long time, and I know that they would not share those memories with people that they did not trust just as much. I have one memory that has haunted me for some time, and I wish I could remember more. I also beleive in heaven and hell, but I beleive that they are merely realms for angels and demons and that people don't go to one or the other when they die.

Zelos
February 20th, 2006, 09:21 AM
Keep in mind, Tyson, that he may NOT exist, and may NOT have created everything today. Religious and non-religious folks have to be tolerant in this area.

I believe he said that he has no proof god does NOT exist--do you have any proof that he does?

The keyword there is "may". He MAY not exist, and yet MAY exist at the same time. You all don't have any proof that he doesn't exist, and I DO have "somewhat" proof but I'd rather not type it out because I'm just going to get attacked again by your statements. I have my beliefs, and you have yours. I can practically tell by the way that you're speaking that there is no way that I would be able to convince you, considering it isn't every day that I try to convert someone to Christianity >.>;; So...good day.

Sassydoll76
February 20th, 2006, 12:02 PM
I also believe in reincarnation, mostly. I believe that you spend a particular time in Heaven/hell for anything you may have done in your past life, but you have second chances, like some before me may have said already

Kim
February 21st, 2006, 10:18 AM
The keyword there is "may". He MAY not exist, and yet MAY exist at the same time. You all don't have any proof that he doesn't exist, and I DO have "somewhat" proof but I'd rather not type it out because I'm just going to get attacked again by your statements. I have my beliefs, and you have yours. I can practically tell by the way that you're speaking that there is no way that I would be able to convince you, considering it isn't every day that I try to convert someone to Christianity >.>;; So...good day.

Hmm. In debate class, when someone makes statements such as yours, it's usually because they're lying.

Nowhere did I "attack" you, and your assuming that I will is wrong. I know my way around debates.;) And while no, you will not convince me, I am curious as to what "proof" you have.

Allstories
February 21st, 2006, 10:57 AM
It's completely ridiculous to debate that there's no proof of something not existing with no proof that it does exist.

Zelos
February 21st, 2006, 12:54 PM
I din't mean particularly mean you, Kim, just meant most of the other people that have been *coughcough* You're actually the one who's been the most understanding ^^;;

Allstories, to say that there is no proof of something existing would mean that you have looked at every single piece of evidence that exists. Since nobody can know all things, nobody can logically say that that there is no proof that someone or something exists. ;)

Esupio
February 21st, 2006, 01:36 PM
Well, in the Bible it says that God was lonely, and He wanted people that he could create that would love, comfort, follow, and stay with Him forever. That's why we were created, to be with Him and choose to leave our own selfish ways to follow Him.



What is "it?"
the topic of this thread ¬¬; reincarnation O.o;

Zelos
February 21st, 2006, 02:13 PM
Well, were KINDA talking about something else and you jumping in using the word "it" and talking about something else confused me a little X.X X.X X.X

Zane Truesdale
February 21st, 2006, 02:19 PM
well you cant remeber anything when your reincarnated...

Kim
February 21st, 2006, 05:13 PM
I din't mean particularly mean you, Kim, just meant most of the other people that have been *coughcough* You're actually the one who's been the most understanding ^^;;

Allstories, to say that there is no proof of something existing would mean that you have looked at every single piece of evidence that exists. Since nobody can know all things, nobody can logically say that that there is no proof that someone or something exists. ;)

Sorry for jumpin' ya, then.:classic:

As for reincarnation, if you can't remember what happened, then how do you know if you're reincarnated?

John Denver
February 21st, 2006, 07:56 PM
Well, in the Bible it says that God was lonely, and He wanted people that he could create that would love, comfort, follow, and stay with Him forever. That's why we were created, to be with Him and choose to leave our own selfish ways to follow Him.

No it doesn't O_o...

God spoke us into existence, but it never says why he did it. When does the bible say he was lonely? Why would God be lonely?

Pokedragonfire
February 22nd, 2006, 04:46 AM
Yeah.....where did those organisms come from?....o.O
Amino Acids + Electricity(Lightning) = Life(DNA)
It's actually been tried and tested...very VERY basic DNA mind you. After enough DNA was made with the right electrical charges, it became life. It took a billion years for this to happen though, so the conditions were EXTREMLY rare.

Hitokiri
February 22nd, 2006, 05:47 AM
Amino Acids + Electricity(Lightning) = Life(DNA)
It's actually been tried and tested...very VERY basic DNA mind you. After enough DNA was made with the right electrical charges, it became life. It took a billion years for this to happen though, so the conditions were EXTREMLY rare.

._.?

Human life takes far more than just amino acids and electricity. This isn't a science fiction movie. If your referring to the test that Miller did back in the 50's, that test only gave about 20 of the required acids. It takes amino acids and omega 3 fatty acids and minerals and fibers and cells and trillions of other little things. Besides, oxygen stops the growth of amino acids, making it impossible to have sprung up on its own...

Zelos
February 22nd, 2006, 12:17 PM
No it doesn't O_o...

God spoke us into existence, but it never says why he did it. When does the bible say he was lonely? Why would God be lonely?

Hmm, I guess you're right, I don't know where I got that from o.O Good point, I guess I was just typing without really thinking XD OO

Linoone
February 22nd, 2006, 06:35 PM
I don't personally believe in reincarnation, I think that you deserve a reward if you make a good life, rather than starting it over as another person without knowing or remembering anything

Pokedragonfire
February 24th, 2006, 08:53 AM
._.?

Human life takes far more than just amino acids and electricity. This isn't a science fiction movie. If your referring to the test that Miller did back in the 50's, that test only gave about 20 of the required acids. It takes amino acids and omega 3 fatty acids and minerals and fibers and cells and trillions of other little things. Besides, oxygen stops the growth of amino acids, making it impossible to have sprung up on its own...
I didn't say human life, I said DNA. Not human DNA either. I said it was an extremly rare thing 1/1 billion years. In 1/1 billion years the conditions are bound to be right, I think. I'm talking about the most very basic life, one celled organisms. Very simple stuff that doesn't require the stuff humans need.

John Denver
February 24th, 2006, 09:12 AM
I didn't say human life, I said DNA. Not human DNA either. I said it was an extremly rare thing 1/1 billion years. In 1/1 billion years the conditions are bound to be right, I think. I'm talking about the most very basic life, one celled organisms. Very simple stuff that doesn't require the stuff humans need.

DNA is human life, and the most intricate part of it...

Simple one celled organisms still have DNA, and they're still intricate. The odds of DNA evolving on it's own (In billions, trillions, or even quintillions of years) is completely impossible.