Kazaa- now illegal?

[Frostweaver]

*Canada News*

Downloading from Kazaa maybe illegal for Canadians now, as it violates copyright laws (mostly for the music industry...). If people download from Kazaa then no one will buy the CD. So the parliament is planning to take action to either persuade the world to help shuting down Kazaa, or at least sue all Canadians who download from Kazaa (how they are going to be doing that is still debatable... they're talking about this right now).

What do you think about this? Are any other countries in the world taking similar actions?

[22sa]

I doubt any country has very strict laws against piracy, but you're right, it is illegal.;)

[Kyosuke]

Even if canadians downloaded from Kazaa, I don't think that the publishers lawyers, would go and try to sue every single person who downloaded off it, and its just like roms on the internet, its illegal, but nobody seems to care to do anything.

[22sa]

Even if canadians downloaded from Kazaa, I don't think that the publishers lawyers, would go and try to sue every single person who downloaded off it, and its just like roms on the internet, its illegal, but nobody seems to care to do anything.
In other words, the morals of it being illegal is too uncommon.

[Haruka]

I hate Privacy. I perfer buying the whole CD or buying it from a payed online service. It's a sin to steal things from other people. You know that. It's in the 10 comandments. :P

[22sa]

I hate Privacy. I perfer buying the whole CD or buying it from a payed online service. It's a sin to steal things from other people. You know that. It's in the 10 comandments. :P
Well there's many people that believe it isn't stealing and others are just not Christian anyways. It's a sin to hate btw...

[Haruka]

Well there's many people that believe it isn't stealing and others are just not Christian anyways. It's a sin to hate btw...
so, it will be a sin to hate digimon.. Oh my gosh!

[Kyosuke]

Everybody steals in thier life without even noticing it, eg. Taking pictures off the internet, or even using pics in signatures.

[MoonLight]

it's werid how there doing this cuz yes i used to use Kazaa but i still buy Cd's all the time but i like having mixed cd's also not everyone is going to go out and but a 20,25 dollar cd just for one or 2 songs they like it's crazy, then what will be the purpose of mp3 players then ah crazy

[22sa]

Yeah and some people use it to determine if they actually want to buy the CD or not. A lot of CDs I bought kind of felt like rip-offs where only one or two songs are good and not the rest...

[Kyosuke]

Thats the main reason why people have cd burners, to download what they want, and put it on a mix cd.

[DragonTrainer]

Even if they get rid of kazaa, people will make new piracy sites.All I download from the net is roms.

[tmbjr]

I once used Napster when itwas under fire, then I decided to stop all my acts of piracy. I still dislike buying CDs too ( it's like paying around $5 for one or two good songs and 12 trash songs...)

So now I just listen to my regular radio station and/or websites with public wav. files...

[22sa]

Even if they get rid of kazaa, people will make new piracy sites.All I download from the net is roms.
Yea I think they most likely well too. >.>;;

[G-LANCE]

if they're gonna ban kazaa they might as well make mp3's illegal!
(i have an mp3, a really cool one too)

[Hakudoushi-kun]

it isn't exactly illegal, since no one is selling the stuff on kazaa. it's called "sharing"

[22sa]

it isn't exactly illegal, since no one is selling the stuff on kazaa. it's called "sharing"
A lot of people would say what you just said.

To tell you the truth is, it's still piracy, so it's still illegal, though.

[Kyosuke]

A lot of people would say what you just said.

To tell you the truth is, it's still piracy, so it's still illegal, though.

Exactly, anything that is used or copied without permission is Piracy, even though that roms are always used, nobody wants to do anything about it. And even though that I download things, I think that roms and mp3's will never stop going around, theres always going to be someone putting it out on the internet. And people downloading them...

[22sa]

I think Nintendo has copyright for it's games for like 70 years or so... After the copyright to expires, it'll be legal to download ROMs I guess.

[Miyu-chan]

Hmmm... *goes to download mp3s and saves them in her mp3 player* Taiwan hasn't made that law yet, in fact, I think that they're encorging people to download it. x_x; I don't thank many people in Taiwna have heard about KaZaA alot though... >_>

[Scythemantis]

so, it will be a sin to hate digimon.. Oh my gosh!

Nothing wrong with digimon :P

Anyway, downloading music does not fall into the definition of "stealing"...it's illegal, but it can't actually be called stealing. There's a better word, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Anyway, music downloads do not harm the music industry. They are being used as a cheap scapegoat to explain away a slow and steady drop in sales that began long before file sharing even began.

People who download music almost always either still buy just as much or wouldn't buy any music anywa, kinda like me, since I've never bought any CD and possibly never will. I'm just not real big into music, and I start to dislike any song I hear more than a couple times a year. When I do download an MP3 it's some rare obscure TV/movie theme and I listen to it only a couple times before growing bored and deleting it. Is that any different from, say, borrowing a friend's CD for a while?

And yes, if there is a "problem" it's that music is unreasonably expensive. Technically a whole CD is worth less than a dollar no matter WHAT is on it, as they cost only pennies to mass produce.

[Dizzy]

Firstly , My teacher said they go after distributers first.
The Distributers are people who have 1000 files or more on there File share program ; in this case KaZaA.Once they catch the people with the 1000 files or more , the people will get fined over 10,000 Americans for each file on there Program.

Nextly , They will Go after the Little Guys , People who have 500 files or more, Like the Distributers , These People will be fined , but only 8000 Americans.

Lastly , People who have downloaded some amounts of songs , like 100 or less , will be fined but less ... The price is unknown but There are the facts

If your wondering where i got this from , I had to write an essay about it.

[Haruka]

pffft.. It's the RIAA fualt that the prices go up. Prices go up on CDs when people stop buying them.. Oh, yets go download them off for free. NOT! do you know downloading music illeagally is stealing?

There are places that open up. You can buy a single music file for a cheap price. Examples like Apple's iTunes, Real One, etc. The half of the profits go to the RIAA. :P isn't that nice?

[Dizzy]

I agree ,

The Riaa Needs to back off , The more people downloads the artists song , the more popular.......

[DragonTrainer]

But then again, the more you download music, the more money the artists lose.

[Haruka]

But then again, the more you download music, the more money the artists lose.
Unless you download it the legal way.. the legal way is to pay some amount of money out of your pockets.

[DragonTrainer]

But the way I see it, whe people can dwnload it for free, or download it while paying, most everyone would do it free, and, illegaly.

[Frostweaver]

well you see regarding roms...

i download roms that i cannot possibly buy anymore, like the old SNES ones (as if they're going to remake them). The only way to get the old SNES roms is to download. The remake versions on GBA are just not the same...

i do not download music off the net except for game music, and last time i checked i do not see a "Legend of Dragoon Music Collection" in stores... the only game that has made a CD is Final Fantasy (but actually it's the CD of a guy who composed like 90% of FF songs... like Liberai Fatali and etc)

You see Napster got shut down because of this copyright problems. Think Kazaa will share the same fate?

[DragonTrainer]

I possibly think that kazaa will be shut down for good.I think that it is ok to download old roms, but not movies and music.

[Kairi]

The thing is though, KaZaA is not centralized. It's people spreading and sharing files. KaZaA has legitimate uses as well, whereas Napster was solely for taking music.

Eep...I meant to not post in this topic. x_x; Oh well.

[22sa]

well you see regarding roms...

i download roms that i cannot possibly buy anymore, like the old SNES ones (as if they're going to remake them). The only way to get the old SNES roms is to download. The remake versions on GBA are just not the same...

i do not download music off the net except for game music, and last time i checked i do not see a "Legend of Dragoon Music Collection" in stores... the only game that has made a CD is Final Fantasy (but actually it's the CD of a guy who composed like 90% of FF songs... like Liberai Fatali and etc)

You see Napster got shut down because of this copyright problems. Think Kazaa will share the same fate?
That's what I thought a while ago. Except, they still have copyright, and ROMs were always illegal to download.

Also Haruka, I had meant hate towards other humands (which excludes animals and such).

[Hakudoushi-kun]

i mostly download subs, that have not appeared in north america. so the only way that's illegal is if i sell or download them while in japan

[22sa]

i mostly download subs, that have not appeared in north america. so the only way that's illegal is if i sell or download them while in japan
Isn't that copyright laws international?:/ I mean, Japan and America has pretty good relations...

[Hakudoushi-kun]

it's like nintendo of america and nintendo of japan. 2 different divisions. each controls only the area it's subjected to serve

[Haruka]

Now, they have a more legal way of getting music.

Apple's iTunes.

[Kairi]

Yeah, it did come out for Windows. It still won't change the minds of KaZaA's main target--teens with no money whom's parents aren't into tech stuff to pay for iTunes. Napster is relaunching soon as well, although legal and with a pricing plan similar to Apple's iTunes.

[Hakudoushi-kun]

doesn't go lower than $0.99

[Haruka]

.99 cents is a resonable price.. it doesn't get any cheeper when you buy music the legal way.

Kill KaZzA!

[Kyosuke]

I have a feeling eventually Kazaa will just end everything and fall apart, they are one the edges of still being around, and it is just a matter of time until its all over.

[John Denver]

I think Kazaa has been illegal for quite some time now...yep..well


Winmx is better of course, they can't track shabam...

BOO ya!

[Lucifer]

Kazaa? Illegal? You don't say?

Who cares anyway? They're not launching a mass hunt of all its users or anything. They're just making examples of those who abuse it in an attempt to scare everyone else off. So unless you literally live for downloading copyrighted music/media, or have a strong sense of righteousness, then there's really nothing special going on. Byatch.

Kazaa have been taken to court about a million times already anyway.

[Shining Arcanine]

Even if canadians downloaded from Kazaa, I don't think that the publishers lawyers, would go and try to sue every single person who downloaded off it, and its just like roms on the internet, its illegal, but nobody seems to care to do anything.

They do not have the budget to do that unless they use the profits from suing to fund another person's justice but it would take a great deal of time unless they had at least 10,000 Lawyers... That would probably saturate the canadian justice system.

I hate Privacy. I perfer buying the whole CD or buying it from a payed online service. It's a sin to steal things from other people. You know that. It's in the 10 comandments. :P

Don't you mean piracy?

so, it will be a sin to hate digimon.. Oh my gosh!

I can still dislike it. ;)

Everybody steals in thier life without even noticing it, eg. Taking pictures off the internet, or even using pics in signatures.

How can you commit a crime without knowing it? You know you what are you doing when you are doing it.

Yeah and some people use it to determine if they actually want to buy the CD or not. A lot of CDs I bought kind of felt like rip-offs where only one or two songs are good and not the rest...

They aren't supposed to be using it in the first place.

Even if they get rid of kazaa, people will make new piracy sites.All I download from the net is roms.

You must mean P2P programs. Anyway, if the ISPs got together and blocked a couple of ports, P2P would cease to exist.

if they're gonna ban kazaa they might as well make mp3's illegal!
(i have an mp3, a really cool one too)

MP3s are music files, they aren't illegal. However, what they are of can be illegal.

it isn't exactly illegal, since no one is selling the stuff on kazaa. it's called "sharing"

When you steal something, the owner of that is losing money. Stealing means losing money, not making it.

I think Nintendo has copyright for it's games for like 70 years or so... After the copyright to expires, it'll be legal to download ROMs I guess.

70 Years after the death of the author.

pffft.. It's the RIAA fualt that the prices go up. Prices go up on CDs when people stop buying them.. Oh, yets go download them off for free. NOT! do you know downloading music illeagally is stealing?

There are places that open up. You can buy a single music file for a cheap price. Examples like Apple's iTunes, Real One, etc. The half of the profits go to the RIAA. :P isn't that nice?

Supply and Demand. When the demand is low prices go down, not up. For the music companies, raising them would be a nice thing and since they own the song, they can charge $500 for it if they want.

I agree ,

The Riaa Needs to back off , The more people downloads the artists song , the more popular.......

They don't want you to download it for the same reason you want to download it. They don't care about their popularity, they care about how much money they make being popular. Just like how you download it because you don't want to spend a few dollars on it. Or like how a person steals food because he doesn't have money to buy it.

well you see regarding roms...

i download roms that i cannot possibly buy anymore, like the old SNES ones (as if they're going to remake them). The only way to get the old SNES roms is to download. The remake versions on GBA are just not the same...

i do not download music off the net except for game music, and last time i checked i do not see a "Legend of Dragoon Music Collection" in stores... the only game that has made a CD is Final Fantasy (but actually it's the CD of a guy who composed like 90% of FF songs... like Liberai Fatali and etc)

You see Napster got shut down because of this copyright problems. Think Kazaa will share the same fate?

It is illegal regardless of the avaliability. If you lived in a country where you were too poor to get US Dollars, would counterfitting them be right?

I possibly think that kazaa will be shut down for good.I think that it is ok to download old roms, but not movies and music.

It has legal cover as it is a tool that can be used to steal music. Just like a hammer is a tool that can be used to bash a person's face in.

The thing is though, KaZaA is not centralized. It's people spreading and sharing files. KaZaA has legitimate uses as well, whereas Napster was solely for taking music.

Eep...I meant to not post in this topic. x_x; Oh well.

You are right. However, what those uses are, is yet to be shown.

That's what I thought a while ago. Except, they still have copyright, and ROMs were always illegal to download.

Also Haruka, I had meant hate towards other humands (which excludes animals and such).

They are illegal to upload as well.

Now, they have a more legal way of getting music.

Apple's iTunes.

Use MS's Premium services via Windows Media Player 9. I believe Napster is now a legitmate online music purchasing service that can be used via WM9.

[Keleri]

The vast majority of artists don't own their own copyrights, the record labels do...so it's the RIAA that's losing money because of file sharing, not necessarily the artists. Also, I would attribute the decline in CD sales to all the crappy music they're saturating the market with...CDs with two or three good songs out of eleven or so seem to have become the norm. Who wants to spend twenty bucks for two good songs when you can download them for free? Anyway, these new pay-for-download sites are a great idea, but they probably can't help me in my search for rare or not-'popular' music. In addition, I am poor. ;P

[Haruka]

Thats the problem. too many people are too into "getting music for free". It's not free when you get sued by the RIAA. Then you have to pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars. Than it won't be free anymore, eh?

:D

[Kairi]

WMP has a service? what is it's pricing/format etc? They don't promote it much, I hadn't heard of it.

[Haruka]

SA, I never knew WMP 9...

Wait... it's the premium subscriptions on the player. You have to pay a monthly fee on it. :P

[Shining Arcanine]

Kairi, it is the Premium Services tab in Windows Media Player 9.

Haruka, and how much does iTunes cost? 99¢ per a song even if you only want to listen to it once? I believe MusicNow costs $4.95 a month for the radio and $9.95 for access to everything. That allows you to download unlimited songs. To burn them costs 99¢ per a song. Some people defend P2P by stating that it allows to "try out" out songs before buying them. They neglect to mention that is illegal and chances are, they will not buy the songs because they already stole copies of them. MusicNow allows you to legally try out songs and then buy the ones you like for 99¢. With iTunes, you have to pay 99¢ for every song you try out. Not very practical, eh?

[Haruka]

Kairi it is the Premium Services tab in Windows Media Player 9.

Haruka, and how much does iTunes cost? 99¢ per a song even if you only want to listen to it once? I believe MusicNow costs $4.95 a month for the radio and $9.95 for access to everything. That allows you to download unlimited songs. To burn them costs 99¢ per a song. Some people defend P2P by stating that it allows to "try out" out songs before buying them. They neglect to mention that is illegal and chances are, they will not buy the songs because they already stole copies of them. MusicNow allows you to legally try out songs and then buy the ones you like for 99¢. With iTunes, you have to pay 99¢ for every song you try out. Not very practical, eh?

:P..

but with iTunes, you can burn the MP3s on a CD and also keep the file. :P

[Shining Arcanine]

Ok, here is a situation, you want to find some nice songs so you try out 1000 songs, then discover you only want 10. With iTunes, congladulations, you just spent $990 and have 990 songs that you don't even like. With MusicNow, you just spent $19.85 ($9.95+(10*$0.99)) saving $970.15 off the price of iTunes and have songs that you like.

Edit: Not to mention you can listen to the 990 songs you don't like plus millions more for the duration of your subscription.

[Kairi]

Oh, and iTunes' copy-protection can be very easily broken, and then spread on KaZaA. Just thought I would add that.

[Shining Arcanine]

I thought iTunes had no copy protection...

[Kairi]

Yeah, you're only 'supposed to be able to put it on an iPod and your computer, but there are some very easy ways around it.

[Haruka]

well, they also share music that is copyrighted online via KaZza. Anyway, I still hate piravcy. :P

[Shining Arcanine]

I thought after you payed 99 cents for it, you could do wahtever you want. At least that is what Apple's site said...

[Kairi]

Well, no it has some protection where you couldn't put the file on KaZaA and have it work on another's computer. It's possible for the average Joe to strip the copy protection.

Yeah, that is the sad thing. Some, not most of the stuff on KaZaA is legal. Old versions of free software, for instance. It's a prime example of, if there is a good resource in this world, men will find a way to make it bad and cause suffering to its users.

[Shining Arcanine]

Well, no it has some protection where you couldn't put the file on KaZaA and have it work on another's computer. It's possible for the average Joe to strip the copy protection.

Yeah, that is the sad thing. Some, not most of the stuff on KaZaA is legal. Old versions of free software, for instance. It's a prime example of, if there is a good resource in this world, men will find a way to make it bad and cause suffering to its users.

Don't you mean men and women. *Feels discriminated against on account of gender*

lol, j/k, anyway, if ISPs got together, they would be able to end P2P by simpling blocking all traffic going and coming from a few ports.

[Kairi]

However, some companies use P2P in their businesses to transfer things. It's not a bad technology, just one that is too easily abused. It needs to be controlled responsibly.

Men have fashioned most of the inventions in this world so far, and they are usually the ones to ruin them to. Women have done many good and bad things, and men's achievements should be to their credit not their debit. That's a whole 'nother matter though.

If KaZaA and other P2P networks were responsible, they could filter out things from being put up, or limit what kinds of files can be shared. I'd hate to see P2P go altogether, but it has been a major source of piracy that should be stopped. I don't care if CDs are expensive and the songs are poor, you can not deny that part of sale drops have been from people who have access to them for free.

[Haruka]

No wounder the US Ecomany is going down.. noone wants to buy their goods anymore.

[Shining Arcanine]

However, some companies use P2P in their businesses to transfer things. It's not a bad technology, just one that is too easily abused. It needs to be controlled responsibly.

Men have fashioned most of the inventions in this world so far, and they are usually the ones to ruin them to. Women have done many good and bad things, and men's achievements should be to their credit not their debit. That's a whole 'nother matter though.

If KaZaA and other P2P networks were responsible, they could filter out things from being put up, or limit what kinds of files can be shared. I'd hate to see P2P go altogether, but it has been a major source of piracy that should be stopped. I don't care if CDs are expensive and the songs are poor, you can not deny that part of sale drops have been from people who have access to them for free.

Companies should not be using a P2P service to transfer their files.

[Kairi]

Maybe they shouldn't, but I was under the impression some were. Still, it's a viable technology, just one that-as I said, is vulnerable to mal-use more than most.

[Shining Arcanine]

Try google. For a moment there, I thought you had a source that stated companies use P2P to transfer files. ^_^;;

[DragonTrainer]

US economy is going down since no one is buying cd's anymore.After all, what's the point, when you can get them for free?I doubt they will fully take away all the illegal downloading away

[Haruka]

I need to get the point. Don't download Copyrighted MP3s from KaZzA or any other illegal program. Do you know how much work the singer or the artist put though to get the music you want.

Geez. just buy the CD or use iTunes. :-/

[DragonTrainer]

Though buying cd's is the right thing, a lot of people wouldn't waste money buying the cd's, when they can download it for free.

[Haruka]

But, you are stealing IF you download music for free without paying for it. Is it good to download music for free. NO. I don't support piravcy. You don't even know downloading music is piravacy.

[Kairi]

But, you are stealing IF you download music for free without paying for it. Is it good to download music for free. NO. I don't support piravcy. You don't even know downloading music is piravacy.

Just for the future, it's piracy, it originates from the word pirate.

[Haruka]

I know, but Should be stop piracy, not encorage it?

[22sa]

US economy is going down since no one is buying cd's anymore.After all, what's the point, when you can get them for free?I doubt they will fully take away all the illegal downloading away
I think if America is too continue progressing, she should move further towards Captalism; reduce government involvement in the economy and let the Market take care of itself. In other words, reduce social funding and reduce taxes; let people do things with their free-will.

[Imakuni?]

p2p's could be good for LEGAL pictures and free software (not roms). also if they had someone to watch and monitor. of course then you'd have to pay. maybe like 5$ yearly or something?

[Kairi]

This topic way too old, please create a new one if you want to start discussion on it. =\