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Ryoutarou
March 28th, 2006, 01:33 PM
Click. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xwAI8HWh9io)

Anyone actually think they help in schools? Or are they just a form of hiding a larger problem, mainly the teachers not being able to control kids anymore. As for me, I had a dress code in school, twice, and I never felt safer. The schools I went to without them felt the same as the ones with them. If someone (student or not) wants to go postal on some classmates and faculty, they will...one way or another

wakachamo
March 28th, 2006, 01:59 PM
It actually boggles my mind up in the beginning.

The schools I went to without them felt the same as the ones with them.

^Never knew that. Which even boggles my mind up more than it was. What are they for then? Of course that by "tucking your shirt in", etc. might help teachers control kids and stuff, like the video (geez, who would take so much?". Anyways, it might just be for a sense of safety.

In my school (uniform), people just say it's to make the school look neat when guests come in.

But with so many people disregarding uniform and using it as a "casual thing" (if ya know what I mean) actually makes you think about it if it makes a school look better without Dress Codes.

Kurono
March 28th, 2006, 02:10 PM
Apparently, in the school I go to, dress codes can cut down on gang violence because gang members can't wear their 'colors' and stuff..

As for that video..I didn't know you could hide so many weapons..and a dress code would probably make weapons more visible to the naked eye.

Kura
March 28th, 2006, 02:17 PM
Yeah~ I have a uniform at my highschool, but I didn't have a dress code for my grade school~
o_o;; I saw that video before, on TV.. it's freaky.

But yeah.. I guess uniforms are good for protecting against gangs and stuff.. but still ._.
>>; and expecially when the stupid teacher takes away all of our civies days? Pfft. It starts getting annoying to have to wear it every day >>;
And they're so expensive, too! ;o; like.. $40 for a plain white golf-shirt. It's ridiculous, IMO.

Neh.

Otter Mii-kun
March 28th, 2006, 02:57 PM
Apparently, in the school I go to, dress codes can cut down on gang violence because gang members can't wear their 'colors' and stuff.Sounds a lot like a reason that Saginaw public schools enacted a district-wide uniform dress code.

And they're so expensive, too! ;o; like.. $40 for a plain white golf-shirt. It's ridiculous, IMO.
That's just the intent of it too! Make the parents go out and spend even more money! All dictated by the government!

In my school (uniform), people just say it's to make the school look neat when guests come in.That's about all the good it does anyway.

As much as I oppose uniform dress requirements, I think this stuff is best left to local control or even the parents to decide.

-ottermi619-
And no, I DO NOT suggest handing over dress code policies to any State Board of Ed or an (unconstitutional) Federal Department of Ed (or even an RESA/ISD) like some of yous may suggest.

Cherrim
March 31st, 2006, 12:29 AM
Like Kura said, my school has a uniform, which I prefer over a dress code. (I mean, if you're going to restrict clothing, you might as well just assign a uniform anyway.) In terms of the idea of uniforms and dress codes in general, it's a good idea because not only does it stop people from wearing "gang" colours, but it also allows teachers and staff to quickly differentiate between students who go to the school and people who shouldn't be on the property, since the latter obviously wouldn't have a uniform. (Probably doesn't work quite as well with the dress code though...since that's much easier to replicate. o_O) Plus, it means faaar less time deciding what to wear in the mornings. XD;;

o_O I agree with the, er, going postal part of your post, Jorfe, but I do think having dress codes or whatever does create a safer environment overall.

Drifblim
March 31st, 2006, 04:21 AM
The only thing I don't like with the idea is not that the video exaggerated the potential of not having one in effect, but that there are costs incurred. What the school can do is provide one at little or no added cost, as a Catholic school near to me does.

Forest Grovyle
March 31st, 2006, 05:18 AM
My school had a uniform up until the sixth form (the last two years), when you could wear your own clothes. I think this system worked very well - if there had been no uniform in the lower years, I have a feeling certain people would have been picked on for not wearing "the right" thing, and there would have been too much emphasis on fashion.

In the sixth form people had generally matured beyond that so it was never much of a problem. I also think it gave us a sense of responsibility and maturity.

I think uniforms are a good idea for younger children, but the sixth form system worked really well for me. :)

--FG

Kim
March 31st, 2006, 07:09 AM
I worked for an Elementery School for a time in 2004, and let me tell you, dress codes and uniforms aren't there cause OMFG BIG BAD GOVERNMENTS WANTS US TO SPEND MONEY! it's because a majority of parents agreed with it.

when I was most of yall's ages, I hated my dress code. I thought it was stupid and served no purpose. But really, I was stupid. Baggy pants not only make you trip, other people trip on them. Wallet chains can and were used as weapons in my high school. You don't wear hats or bandanas to formal gatherings, don't wear them to school. There is no reason any student needs a knife, gun, drugs, etc., much less on school property.

Uniforms are a great idea. Someone mentioned the issue of "kids get picked on if they aren't wearing the clothes that are 'in'" and you have an excellent point. I know when I was in elementery school, I always got made fun of for not wearing expensive clothes. I noticed once my parents got into some money when I hit high school, and I could afford the more expensive clothes I wanted (I was a hot topic loser haha), no one made comments about the price of my clothing. So yes, it is an issue, everywhere. Since parents are too lazy to instill into their children that just because someone isn't wearing Prada shoes doesn't mean their worth amounts to nothing, we will have this issue. Thus, a uniform is a great idea. You will have no goths/punks/losers/nerds/geeks/preps/whatever the heck you people call each other nowadays. Everyone will be dressed the same. It's easier to make friends and get along if this is done from Kindergarten on up.

A lot of parents came to me with issues on their child's dress code. I remember busting one little girl for wearing a mini skirt and a shirt that revealed her entire back and stomach. There is a reason that is not allowed. What kind of family would dress their daughter in that knowing boys and men are around is beyond me, but that's exactly the reason. Health and safey issues play another role. Sorry, but spiked bracelets can cut through skin. You can use those just as easily as a blunt object or knife to get to someone.

Someone mentioned uniforms being expensive...that's one I've never heard before. I know when I lived in Florida, uniforms were cheaper than department store clothing, and you bought them in department stores, depending on the school you went to (some you had to have an emblem on, but these schools are generally expensive to begin with).

Pinkhana
March 31st, 2006, 07:13 AM
Meh, don't really care. =) I use to wear uniforms back then. I would always complain, but now I got used to them. If we weren't wearing school uniform, the Principal would send us back home.

digi-kun
March 31st, 2006, 08:31 AM
wo...that's a lotta guns...

ah well, i'd say it'd only matter a lot if the community you're in is kinda known for crime, gangs and such, all of which i've lived in relatively safe towns. of course, this is where the "no hats" thing came from...Our school pretty much says, too much skin = bad...so really i think dress codes don't really have to be too strict, of course, depending where the school is located

Kim
March 31st, 2006, 08:51 AM
wo...that's a lotta guns...

ah well, i'd say it'd only matter a lot if the community you're in is kinda known for crime, gangs and such, all of which i've lived in relatively safe towns. of course, this is where the "no hats" thing came from...Our school pretty much says, too much skin = bad...so really i think dress codes don't really have to be too strict, of course, depending where the school is located

Gangs exist in towns NOT known for gang-related activities, as well. I lived in a place called Zephyrhills, Florida, and we had violent kids claiming to be part of the Krypts, or Krips, whatever the heck they are. It happens everywhere.

You are right though, about where the school is located. In Florida, and Cali, and warmer climated areas, some skin isn't too bad. I personally thought it kind of dumb that you couldn't wear tank tops where I went...when it's swelting inside and out. Ther'es a difference between a tank top and a bikini and some administrators don't seem to realize that.

overall, dress codes are USUALLY made through a county, so the school sometimes has no say--it's the county that makes the rules.

All I can say is, just do your best, follow the codes unless you feel there really is a problem with it, let your parents know, have them go to the schoolboard meetings and bring it up, and all that jazz. I just looked at my old high school's dress code...
Pants with holes in them have become very popular. The rule at ZHS is they may not have any holes in them that are higher than 4 inches above the knee (the same rule that applies to shorts, skirts, and dresses).

* Cell phones are not allowed to be turned on while at school ( that includes durint the student's lunch time)





The dress code will be STRICTLY enforced. Clothing will be worn appropriately!
Students may wear shorts or skirts as long as they are of a modest length. Modest length is no more than 4" above the knee.
Pants shall be worn securely at the waist. No abdomen skin or underwear is to be exposed.
Sexually explicit clothing, bikini and tank tops, spandex clothing are not appropriate.
Blouses, sweaters, shirts, cannot dip below a line formed between the right and left armpit.
Muscle shirts and tank tops are not permitted.
Spaghetti straps and strapless tops are not acceptable.
Tops must be long enough to clearly overlap the belt line or stay tucked in during the course of normal movement.
Students shall not wear hats or head coverings.
Students shall wear shoes for foot protection-slippers are not acceptable.


Identification Badges are to be in the possession of students during all school activities.

I know that for a kid/teen, these rules seem really stupid. But trust me, they are all there for a good reason.

Otter Mii-kun
March 31st, 2006, 09:14 AM
it's because a majority of parents agreed with it.
Cite some proof please. http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif

The majority of cases I know about were NOT parental agreements or pleas by them to their local school boards. Much of the requirements were requested by law enforcement and such as a way to deter crime.

Ryoutarou
March 31st, 2006, 09:18 AM
Cite some proof please. http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif
...the fact that before a school implements a dress code they do indeed need to get major parental permission?

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
March 31st, 2006, 12:12 PM
Don't remind me. I have to wear a kacki bottom and a white shirt for middle school and since I am going to the same school for HS I have to wear a black bottom and white shirt.

:t003:Dark Venusaur

Kim
March 31st, 2006, 12:17 PM
...the fact that before a school implements a dress code they do indeed need to get major parental permission?

Thanks, Kazuhito.

Otter--Read my posts again. I believe I mentioned I worked for a public school in 2004.

For further proof, go ask whoever is in charge of your school. If enough parents have reasonable cause to protest against a certain rule on the dress code, it can be taken off.

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/122005/12102005/151731

There is a link to a high school in my area, with an issue over a dress code.

Face it, Otter person, not every problem in the entire effing country is due to the government trying to enforce something.

Kyosuke
April 2nd, 2006, 12:06 PM
The only dress codes that are really enforced in my school are that we aren't allowed to wear army pants (it doesn't make sense but whatever), and we can't wear shirts that show our whole shoulder (the upper part of the shoulder must be covered up).

I actually got in trouble for wearing white army pants in grade 9, and the only reason I wore them, was because they matched nicely with a pair of shoes I had.. XD