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M£A†¥
April 17th, 2006, 05:11 PM
I love Kyogre! Its my favorite ledgendnary pokemon ever! I think it will defeat Groudon and Rayquaza in one hit! Ice Beam! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|"

Johnny Boy~
April 17th, 2006, 05:14 PM
kyogre is made to defeat groundon, although it has some attacks to beat kyogre, but rayquaza is way better than kyogre, and in my opinion, he could not take raquaza, because raquaza is an uber on the super scale.

pokeguy
April 17th, 2006, 05:16 PM
i like groudon but mewtwo could beat him

Persona
April 17th, 2006, 05:38 PM
i pick groudon... not anything about its type advantages, it just looks cooler than kyogre (in my opinion)

Volkner's Apprentice
April 17th, 2006, 05:51 PM
I picked Kyogre but..thats only because the rain during battle was easier to stand then the endless drought.

buster_wolf
April 17th, 2006, 06:04 PM
I like Groudon because it's got a cool look to it, not that I'm saying that Kyogre isn't cool looking. I like 'em both, but if it's a pokemon I prefer, be it a Groudon.

aragornbird
April 17th, 2006, 06:25 PM
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Groudon can beat Kyogre anyday of the week provided that Groudon is faster. Groudon’s Drought weakens Kyogre’s water attacks, but Kyogre’s Drizzle does not weaken Groudon’s Earthquake. With either Choice Band, Bulk Up, or Swords Dance, an Adamant, max Attack EVed Groudon can kill Kyogre in one hit.

Also, Groudon just looks cooler. A giant red Ankylosaur full of sharp spikes and claws and an angry kick-butt expression.

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husk1442
April 17th, 2006, 06:32 PM
on the contrary if groudon is slower then its sun will shine over kyogres rain...

Kitty Face
April 17th, 2006, 06:37 PM
Ha I don't like either of them.. >)

R/S/E = worst legendaries D:

brotlov
April 17th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Based on type advantiges Kyogre should be able to Cream Groudon, but I like Groudon the best, It's poke-power (or whatever it's called) is great if you love fire types like I do.

aragornbird
April 17th, 2006, 06:41 PM
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on the contrary if groudon is slower then its sun will shine over kyogres rain...

Rain or shine, a Groudon's Earthquake is something to fear for anything that's not resistant to it.

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Persona
April 17th, 2006, 06:43 PM
Based on type advantiges Kyogre should be able to Cream Groudon, but I like Groudon the best, It's poke-power (or whatever it's called) is great if you love fire types like I do.

actually, it may seem to look like a fire type but it is actually a ground type but it can use fire moves.

Groudon can defeat Kyogre by its abilty, drought. with that, it can you use solarbeam instantly and easily destroy Kyogre.

kohei
April 17th, 2006, 06:44 PM
Kyogre. Because Groudon doesn't look tasty, while Kyogre is a fish.
And you can eat fish :D

Apart from that, I just don't like Groudons design. It looks like a shrimp/lobster (see attached image).

Lie Ren
April 17th, 2006, 07:02 PM
hmm.... Well I've never really paid much attention to either one...
but I pick Kyogre, because it seems to be my favorite out of the two.
Groudons just....strange... >> ^^;

Naminé
April 17th, 2006, 07:07 PM
kyogre is made to defeat groundon, although it has some attacks to beat kyogre, but rayquaza is way better than kyogre, and in my opinion, he could not take raquaza, because raquaza is an uber on the super scale.

All Kyogre needs to do against either of them is one Ice Beam though.

Kyogre is definitely better. Its weather effect powers up its water attacks and it's also a water type. That makes it even stronger. Groudon is only a ground type. I don't think it helps Groudon too much to have sunny weather.

Himawarii
April 17th, 2006, 07:16 PM
Heh,I'm going with Kyogre.

I'ma lways fond of water-Pokemon,and being a legendary,it gains more than my share of repect <3 And,like Naminé pointed out,it's weather poer ups definately add some punch to it's attacks >3

Tsugaru
April 17th, 2006, 08:07 PM
Well I don't really know because kyoger is water and water beats ground but lets say they on the same level and um kyoger can learn lots of water moves and ice and electric and maybe more but groundon can learn solar beam which could..also um give kyoger a whipping

Gary, the Magic Fairy
April 17th, 2006, 08:57 PM
Ok, lets see:Water > Ground

Have you eber battled a Kyogre against a Groudon, It goes something like this:
Kyogre's Drizzle Made it rain!
Kyogre Used Hydro Pump!
Groudon Fainted!

So I vote for Kyogre.

Ice demon
April 17th, 2006, 09:26 PM
groudon > kyogre for competitive battles...especially with SD/CB groudon being able to quake kyogre on the switch for a OHKO.
I like kyogre better though...

Ray is the worst out of the 3....

why did someone mentioned solarbeam groudon...=S..? Thats like the worst misconception eva.

OverTheBelow
April 18th, 2006, 12:48 AM
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Eig
April 18th, 2006, 02:13 AM
Well, I like both, but I like Groudon more. Why? Maybe that's cause I'm better in Ruby, I like red more than blue, and Groudon's lookin' cooler. But Kyogre's looking cool too. *shot* ^^'

molloy
April 18th, 2006, 02:21 AM
i would have to say Groudon

.:Sam:.
April 18th, 2006, 02:35 AM
I prefer Groudon, He Rocks

DarkGreg
April 18th, 2006, 03:19 AM
I liike Groudon better but Kyogre could beat groudon and Raquaza. It would use that move that is like fissure but it's an ice attack.

Christos
April 18th, 2006, 03:23 AM
I prefer Groudon.He looks much more cooler than Kyogre ;)

Scizor_Lover
April 18th, 2006, 05:03 AM
Kyogre would destroy Groudon, hydro pump would ko Groudon in one hit. And anyway people keep picking Groudon because 'he looks better', which i disagree with, anyway it is a poll about who would win in a battle.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
April 18th, 2006, 08:06 AM
I like them both equally because:
Kyroge has drizzle: and teach it Thunder
Groudon has Drought: and teach it Solarbeam

:t003:Dark Venusaur

Charon
April 18th, 2006, 08:31 AM
Kyrogue would win due to type advantage...but I still hate both of them xP

Alter Ego
April 18th, 2006, 09:50 AM
I like them both equally because:
Kyroge has drizzle: and teach it Thunder
Groudon has Drought: and teach it Solarbeam

:t003:Dark Venusaur

But, Kyogre's godly Sp.Attack + Thunder = Pwnsomeness, whereas Groudon's (Comparatively) weak Sp.Attack + Solarbeam = Suckadelicity. Groudon is a born physical fighter, let's not push any wimpy Grass moves on it. xP

That aside, I'm not particularly fond of either. If I had to choose, though, then it would probably be Groudon, because it looks cooler. xD

AnDrOmAn
April 18th, 2006, 10:20 AM
-Kyogre's trait only helps itself and other Water/Electric pokemon on the the team. You already have Kyogre as a water pokemon, why would you want to overload your team with more of them? You are asking for your whole team to be easily countered by Blissey. Just for the reference, a Blissey with Special Defense can take on Kyogre. Defense EVs are too risky to sacrifice in the uber metagame... Also, Shedinja ****s up Kyogre something awful. Hope you have Spikes, and Skarmory/Cloyster won't last in the uber metagame.

In comparison, Groudon's trait helps itself and any Grass or Fire pokemon you have. If you are afraid of Sunnybeamers, use Rayquaza. Ground, Grass and Fire surely is a more diverse team than EXCESSIVE Water and Electric. Just a side note, Metagross with a Sunny Day up SCREWS stuff in the ***. The common counter for Metagross is either a Water pokemon or Skarmory... Sunny Day lets you release a STAB HP Fire to Skarmory, and Water pokemon can't hit you nearly as hard with Sunny Day up.

-Kyogre only has Calm Mind, Groudon has Swords Dance. Kyogre only hurts when the Rain is out... Rain or Shine, a Swords Danced Groudon Earthquake WILL **** you up.

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Espy Psyche
April 18th, 2006, 10:21 AM
If kyogre is faster:
Kyogre's Drizzle makes rain fall!
Groudon's Drought makes the sun shine!
Kyogre used Ice Beam! (52% damage)
Groudon used Swords Dance!
Its Attack sharply rose!
Kyogre used Ice Beam! (48% damage)
Groudon fainted!

if Kyogre is slower:
Groudon's Drought makes the sun shine!
Kyogre's Drizzle makes rain fall!
Groudon used Swords Dance!
Its Attack sharply rose!
Kyogre used Surf/Water Spout/Hydro Pump! (100% damage)
Groudon fainted!

Therefore, Kyogre>Groudon in direct battle.

Xtacy
April 18th, 2006, 01:06 PM
I really don't bother with Ruby/Sapphire Pokemon much, but I would chose Groudon due to my Ground type bias. It does look better, with an actual face Grather then being a big bloated whale with two eyes. The moves he learns are very good for a Grond type (then again, he is a legendary), and while his sp. tk may seem weak in comparison his attack,it's still very strong.

code zerro the deluge
April 18th, 2006, 01:12 PM
i would say groudon beacause if it is faster than a solerbeam 2-3 times. if slower and in rain thunder 2-3 times. and 1 move that is supereffective can't take all the health away in one hit. Quaza the best of all three though seeing as how he stopped the battle and pawnds them.

oh and why does Groudon use the same move each time. Ice beam ain't that strong either and in heat it misses and rain makes it weeker. e4

Miya902
April 18th, 2006, 01:17 PM
My Groudon knows Solarbeam and it always beats my sis' lv.100 Kyoger. btw Groudon is lv.100 to. So I vote Groudon. :)

JX Valentine
April 18th, 2006, 03:17 PM
First, I'd like to give a big XD to kohei's "Groudon looks like a lobster-shrimp" comment.

Anyway, I voted for Kyogre and with good reason too.

Kyogre + Drizzle + its S Attack + Water-type attack + STAB + Groudon's weakness to Water = pwned Groudon.

Of course, it's going to have a difficult time in sunlight if it's slower, but even then, Groudon will have a heck of a time trying to take down Kyogre while the latter's blasting it with a STABed Water attack. Maybe boosted with Calm Mind if the user predicts a Swords Dance from Groudon.

Ice demon
April 18th, 2006, 05:38 PM
-Kyogre's trait only helps itself and other Water/Electric pokemon on the the team. You already have Kyogre as a water pokemon, why would you want to overload your team with more of them? You are asking for your whole team to be easily countered by Blissey. Just for the reference, a Blissey with Special Defense can take on Kyogre. Defense EVs are too risky to sacrifice in the uber metagame... Also, Shedinja ****s up Kyogre something awful. Hope you have Spikes, and Skarmory/Cloyster won't last in the uber metagame.

In comparison, Groudon's trait helps itself and any Grass or Fire pokemon you have. If you are afraid of Sunnybeamers, use Rayquaza. Ground, Grass and Fire surely is a more diverse team than EXCESSIVE Water and Electric. Just a side note, Metagross with a Sunny Day up SCREWS stuff in the ***. The common counter for Metagross is either a Water pokemon or Skarmory... Sunny Day lets you release a STAB HP Fire to Skarmory, and Water pokemon can't hit you nearly as hard with Sunny Day up.

-Kyogre only has Calm Mind, Groudon has Swords Dance. Kyogre only hurts when the Rain is out... Rain or Shine, a Swords Danced Groudon Earthquake WILL **** you up.

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Lol did u copy and paste that straight from smogons groudon guide?...yea Groudon is a better team player than kyogre ..this we know... but as e4 said, kyogre will win 1vs1 against a groudon...
And btw sub + CM kyogre > blissey.

i would say groudon beacause if it is faster than a solerbeam 2-3 times. if slower and in rain thunder 2-3 times. and 1 move that is supereffective can't take all the health away in one hit. Quaza the best of all three though seeing as how he stopped the battle and pawnds them.

oh and why does Groudon use the same move each time. Ice beam ain't that strong either and in heat it misses and rain makes it weeker. e4


u got it mixed up, the slower one gets the weather preference.
Anyway groudon using special attacks not named FB makes no sense...An earthquake will do more to kyogre than a solarbeam.
Ice beam isnt affected by weather...ie it doesnt lose accuracy in the sun {thats thunder} and it doesnt lose power in the rain {thats fire moves}...
and yea...raq is the worst out of the lot.

Rai
April 18th, 2006, 05:50 PM
Groudon 8D

I love Groudon! He's awesome ;D