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Dizzy
September 21st, 2003, 11:57 AM
This is one thread from my Incorrect Collection.

This is a discussion for Stats And Abilities and attacks that are inccorect , Incorrect Attack Types ...........

Frostweaver
September 21st, 2003, 12:01 PM
k there are some attacks that don't matter much anyway regardless of types... (like Willowisp should be ghost imho but doesn't matter)

this isn't incorrect or anything... but how come Gorebyss has a high normal def with this rock bottom sp.def? it's special based while its counterpart Huntail is physical based, but both of them share high physical def and low sp.def... why is that?

Iveechan
September 22nd, 2003, 04:47 AM
And Sneasel has high attack and horrendous special attack, even though its types are special based...

Electabuzz, Manectric, and Houndoom should swap their attack and defense stats... non of them really need the attack stat unless you want a cross chopping buzz.

Machamp needs to swap its speed and special attack.

Blissey... ugh, DOES NOT need both high HP and special defense!

Flygon should switch attack and special attack since earthquake is its only good attack type move and all the other good offensive moves it can learn are special based.

Pay Day should be a Steel attack.

Razor Wind should be Flying.

Dizzy
September 22nd, 2003, 11:22 AM
Blissey is a useless filler pokemon that has no life and gets pregnant every other day.

I agree that Razor Wind should be flying but Wouldnt Pay Day be more of a Dark type Attack seeing that you steal money.


Poor Machoke , I was stuck with the Four-arm , Beaked , Thing for a last evolution , It should evolve into something more ..... well Likes its self.

Kairi
September 22nd, 2003, 11:52 AM
Blissey is one of the most powerful Pokmon in the game. Seriously.

It can Heal Bell and is an absolute stopper to special attacking Pokmon, it was GSC's bane.

Spike Razzor
September 22nd, 2003, 12:15 PM
I like Razor Wind as Normal, dunno why lol. And if Machamps ATK is slow low and its SP.ATK is so so high, then wouldn't Machoke and Machop be the same? I mean a Pokemon can only get stronger not weaker. Maybe it status won't go up as much but if you max it out before it evolves then it should work out.

Take Scyther for example, its speed is good but if it evolves it won't gain as much speed as it use to. But since it becomes Steel and not Flying it defence goes up a bit since it armoured now, so it best to amp up Scythers speed and make it evolve somewhere like at Lv 50 so its status will be decent.

Dizzy
September 22nd, 2003, 01:24 PM
Well if you think about it , It would make more sense to make Razor Wind flying than leaving it a normal type attack , Why , well because MOST flying Types use it and it makes sense for it to be WIND.

Pay Day should be Dark though

Spike Razzor
September 22nd, 2003, 01:53 PM
Well if you think about it , It would make more sense to make Razor Wind flying than leaving it a normal type attack , Why , well because MOST flying Types use it and it makes sense for it to be WIND.

Pay Day should be Dark though
Well from what I say in it animation (this is like from Yellow version LOL) it looks like Gust mixed with Razor Leaf, and if those things that are blown up are leaves then it would make very little sence because you can't have a move with mixed elements. So who every is in charge of making moves for the Pokemon games prob said "Dammit, I can't decide what type it should be... Lets just make it Normal, the kids porb won't care anyways cause there all gonna be using Charizard and Mewtwo anyways". =p.

And Pay Day shoots out coins, the trainers pick up the spair change (no one is stealing it). So it proves whoever thinks it should be Dark aboviouly is kind of off today, because coins are made of what? Metals so it makes more sence to make it Steel. COMMON SENCE IS STRIKING AGAIN *runs and hides*

P.S. There is no "Wind" element, although there should be...

Iveechan
September 23rd, 2003, 10:43 AM
Magcargo is one of the worst off Pokemon. He has two common 4X weaknesses (ground and water) poor attack despite being able to learn good attack type moves (earthquake, body slam, STAB rock slide), and... well, just not easy to use. Not saying he's impossible to use, just tough.

Dizzy
September 23rd, 2003, 10:51 AM
Fire and Rock , in my opionion , is a horrible , horrilbe combination ,

The best it can do is bug and flying , thats it.

Haruka
September 23rd, 2003, 01:06 PM
Blissey is one of the most powerful Pokmon in the game. Seriously.

It can Heal Bell and is an absolute stopper to special attacking Pokmon, it was GSC's bane.
Excaly... If used correctly... with the correct moves and all. :P

Frostweaver
September 23rd, 2003, 02:14 PM
Blissey is definitely a pseudo-legend... it's freaky...

Marcargo- it's actually pretty good if you exclude the terrible type combination... it got a good ability, good moveset pools too. However the type... the type!!

Razor Wind to me makes sense as a normal attack. Just cause the attack has the word "wind" on it it doesn't mean it must be a flying move. To me it's kind of like focus punch. Focus power by storing up energy, and then let out a punch/somesort of attack that doesn't hit the opponent. But the force of the attack is so strong that even the thrusting motion of your hands/wings/blade/whatever will creat a ferice (sp?) wind that will even damage the opponent...

Spike Razzor
September 23rd, 2003, 05:11 PM
Razor Wind to me makes sense as a normal attack. Just cause the attack has the word "wind" on it it doesn't mean it must be a flying move. To me it's kind of like focus punch. Focus power by storing up energy, and then let out a punch/somesort of attack that doesn't hit the opponent. But the force of the attack is so strong that even the thrusting motion of your hands/wings/blade/whatever will creat a ferice (sp?) wind that will even damage the opponent...

I second that. Because just like Mega Punch/Kick and that tossing move are physical moves. But there Normal, and I like that because not every move no matter how obvious they are don't always need an element.

And I thin Normal is the strongest type, haveing one weakness and the strongest move without power-ups (explotion). Plus the move "Super Fang" which is the ONLY move that garantees HP cut in half no matter what the element. No that could be a life saver sometimes.

*Caught Rayquaza 2day, helping it train the ultimate Ninjask. Muhahaha!*

Frostweaver
September 23rd, 2003, 05:15 PM
um... k i believe that i said "razor wind should be normal type" before... but whatever.

Super Fang is an awesome move, but only 2 pokemon can learn it... too bad. Normal type is pretty strong (Blissey, Snorlax, Slaking and etc...) They're usually more like the tanking type though...

Iveechan
September 23rd, 2003, 07:43 PM
I don't like how Nintendo caters to boring normal Pokemon. Who wants to train something that's normal? Yet they make some of the toughest non-legends normal type. I'm SO sick of seeing ugly Slaking and Blissey on everyone's team...

Kairi
September 23rd, 2003, 07:56 PM
Technically, it's Game Freak. ^_^;

Well, the most abundant type is water, and it used to be poison. A lot of the most broken Pokmon are Flying (Lugia, Zapdos etc),Water (Starmie, Kyogre) or Psychic (Latios,Latias, Mewtwo,Mew,Lugia etc...)

Iveechan
September 23rd, 2003, 08:25 PM
How ironic, those are all my least favorite types! Granted, I do like a few Pokemon from those types, Lapras, Metagross, and Fearow to name a few, but Nintendo just makes too many of them, and many are powerful.

I don't care what the company is "technically".

jynx
September 24th, 2003, 08:29 AM
(like Willowisp should be ghost imho but doesn't matter)

THat's because its Japanese name is called Oni-HONOU!! Meaning "Ghost FIRE!"!

Groudon
September 24th, 2003, 11:21 AM
I don't like how Nintendo caters to boring normal Pokemon. Who wants to train something that's normal? Yet they make some of the toughest non-legends normal type. I'm SO sick of seeing ugly Slaking and Blissey on everyone's team...

You know theres no place here for people calling Pokemon "Ugly", I mean I though you would THE last person complaining about Normal types. Seing how you like Fighting types, and I only know about 2 peeps who use Slaking and Blissey because there slow and Blissey is like no threat when it comes to actually attacking.

*looks in your sig*
Why doesn everyone have a Side 7 gallery? I tryed to get in there for months... ;_;.

Frostweaver
September 24th, 2003, 01:58 PM
You know theres no place here for people calling Pokemon "Ugly", I mean I though you would THE last person complaining about Normal types. Seing how you like Fighting types, and I only know about 2 peeps who use Slaking and Blissey because there slow and Blissey is like no threat when it comes to actually attacking.

*looks in your sig*
Why doesn everyone have a Side 7 gallery? I tryed to get in there for months... ;_;.

slaking and blissey no threat...? try skill swaping Xatu with Slaking, and using RegiIce against Blissey then... surprising results for you maybe...

i don't think Iveechan calls them ugly because they're disgusting, but rather very annoying. Like how we sometimes call our report card "disgusting" because the marks are low. Blissey and Slaking are 2 of the most commonly used Pokemon (and Snorlax is even worst), making normal types one of the most annoying and hardest type to beat ever.

Kyogre
September 24th, 2003, 02:22 PM
slaking and blissey no threat...? try skill swaping Xatu with Slaking, and using RegiIce against Blissey then... surprising results for you maybe...

i don't think Iveechan calls them ugly because they're disgusting, but rather very annoying. Like how we sometimes call our report card "disgusting" because the marks are low. Blissey and Slaking are 2 of the most commonly used Pokemon (and Snorlax is even worst), making normal types one of the most annoying and hardest type to beat ever.
I know what she means Frost, we all understand or else we wouldn't be here. And I said 'Blissey' was no threat, Slawking is powerful but lazy and whenever someone uses it in a match it sometimes says "Enemy Slaking is loafting around". But when it attacks it does good damage. Maybe we should all put Raticate on out team to drain them off by 1/2 and go in for then kill *evil laugh*.

And yes! We all have fought Snorlax and we know... *shivers*

Frostweaver
September 24th, 2003, 02:48 PM
well Slaking in 1vs1 isn't that bad at all. Nothing a brick break can't beat, especially with lazy to give you time to rest up those hyper beams. Not to mention any pokemon with protect will destroy Slaking terribly. 2vs2 on the other hand is much rather "insane" *coughskillswapcough*

Raticate is kind of too weak to last more than one round... but a better choice would be pseudohaze+spike...

Iveechan
September 24th, 2003, 03:34 PM
I've heard of Raticate doing well in underused battles and fainting legends. I don't see what my liking Fighting types has to do with my dislike for Normals (I love Granbull though, I'm training one now). It's unfair... the really powerful hard to beat Pokemon are either legends or normal type. Might as well make a legendary Normal type :P

Dark and Grass have a pretty hard time imho. Many dark types have lackluster special attack or learn crappy moves. And Grass... well, Grass is grass. Many weaknesses and we STILL don't get a universal grass equivalent to thunderbolt/flamethrower. Yep, the game's biased.

Frostweaver
September 24th, 2003, 04:10 PM
dark type pokemon is one of the strongest... it's only weak to physical attacks- fighting and bug and that's all. Also a lot of dark types are very strong in base stats. Even if their physical attack stat is higher than their STAB special attack, their STAB crunch is still powerful. The only weak dark types i can think of is Glalie, Sneasel and Murkrow... all the others are powerful and completely usable.

grass type is still weak... leaf blade is good but still weak compare to the universal tbolt/ibeam/fthrower. It still needs improvement but it's getting there...

steel attacks (not steel types) need some buff perhaps... steel wing is close to useless right now as it's only good use is against rock and ice, but so much type is resistant to steel attacks... Steel wing is very high in potential but the type screws it up.

too many psychic legendaries... they should make a legendary belonging to other types by now..

Iveechan
September 24th, 2003, 05:24 PM
Mightyena's pretty weak, and Sharpedo... well, he has good attacks and speed, but one hit and he's dead. You'd think something that looks like it's covered with armor wouldn't have the defenses of a wet cookie :D

The problem with crunch and leaf blade is that they are not tm's so they are very exclusive. The lizards should be able to pass the move onto other pokes through breeding atleast. We need a strong, accurate grass move with ambiguous name like "Plant Attack" or something... not leaf or petal related so it wouldn't be restrictive (can't see a Cacturne using a leaf or flower related attack).

I think it would be interesting if Girafarig was psychic/dark. Its stats aren't terribly high, so the type combo would not make it cheap. Double bug weakness :D

Kairi
September 24th, 2003, 05:29 PM
Tyranitar has a good ability, Dragon Dance, and high attack.
Umbreon is a tank, a Trap passer, Toxicer, Charmer whatever you want it to be...Absol has high attack and good passing potential. Sableye has poor stats, but one weakness and much of Umbreon's potential. Houndoom now has two excellent abilities in addition to an already impressive arsenal despite low defense.

Frostweaver
September 24th, 2003, 05:33 PM
crunch is pretty common, and it's on plenty of Pokemon. Sharpedo is usable with incredible attack power. Maybe all it needs is a friendly boost from Ninjask. I forgot about Mightyena... it is a pretty weak Pokemon...

dark attacks are only strong against psychic (the main use for dark types) and ghost. Except for the legendaries, most psychic types have a great weakness towards a physical attack because of its stats. So it won't matter too much if crunch isn't a tm. Through breeding crunch is pretty common imho.

Haruka
September 24th, 2003, 06:34 PM
How come Azumarill's Special Attack Stats is so poor. I am woundering why.

Kairi
September 24th, 2003, 06:38 PM
Well, before it made it pretty underused. Now it has Huge Power though, so that could make quite a bit of difference.

Frostweaver
September 24th, 2003, 07:13 PM
but now it would be a physical attacker with Huge Power... (or what i prefer "Super Inhuman Strength," from the time where we play subbed Ru/Sa). It won't be a good surf/ice beam user... but it's not like it can learn much physical attacks too. So i still doubt if it'll be used in the metagame.

Iveechan
September 24th, 2003, 07:16 PM
Fine, I'm wrong again, dark types don't have it bad. Geez.

jynx
September 24th, 2003, 11:24 PM
How come Azumarill's Special Attack Stats is so poor. I am woundering why.
It's a baby. ^^
Besides, its cute.

Iveechan
September 25th, 2003, 12:19 AM
Azurill is the baby, Azumarill is the big dude. They really should've made Azurill's name different.

jynx
September 25th, 2003, 03:47 AM
Azurill is the baby, Azumarill is the big dude. They really should've made Azurill's name different.
OIC
Sorry blah...
But I think Jynx should have a higher HP or speed and Gengar should have a higer attack.

Kairi
September 25th, 2003, 06:15 AM
Jynx has Mean Look+Perish Song+Lovely Kiss

It can be very annoying at times...there are few non-00ber 100% ways of taking them down.

jynx
September 25th, 2003, 07:15 AM
Jynx has Mean Look+Perish Song+Lovely Kiss

It can be very annoying at times...there are few non-00ber 100% ways of taking them down.
I won't have spent 3 rounds using these 3 silly tripping enemy attack!
Jynx won't be able to stay to the end!
Besides, you cannot use Perish Song or Hypnotise more than2 opponents in Hong Kong Pokemon Alliance competitions!

What I want is SPEED!! The faster, the better. The higher the speed is, the faster the more opponents I can beat!

Kairi
September 25th, 2003, 08:04 AM
You can Lovely Kiss first, and perhaps catch them on the switch. Then, use Mean Look. Even if they switch again, it will start the process. You can use Perish Song and Protect and switch out at the end.

jynx
September 26th, 2003, 07:23 AM
You can Lovely Kiss first, and perhaps catch them on the switch. Then, use Mean Look. Even if they switch again, it will start the process. You can use Perish Song and Protect and switch out at the end.
The accuracy of Lovely Kiss is only 75%.

And...WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE PERISH SONG IN HONG KONG POKEMON ALLIANCE!!

Sturm
September 26th, 2003, 07:34 AM
The accuracy of Lovely Kiss is only 75%.

And...WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE PERISH SONG IN HONG KONG POKEMON ALLIANCE!!Hong Kong Pokemon Alliance? Not able to use Perish Song? I wonder why?

Kairi
September 26th, 2003, 07:36 AM
Well, it's a valid move though, and it is one of Jynx's strengths.

Is sleep clause and one-hit KO clause in effect there as well?

Sturm
September 26th, 2003, 07:48 AM
I get that...Maybe they don't allowed us to use One-Hit KO and Sleeping thingy...but I never use that move...I prefer crush them directly...

jynx
September 26th, 2003, 08:44 AM
I get that...Maybe they don't allowed us to use One-Hit KO and Sleeping thingy...but I never use that move...I prefer crush them directly...
You are right! All one move KO attacks are banned.
Trainers are not allowed to hypnotise more than2 Pokemon.
"Doku doku" is not permitted in RS. (Because of its serious poison damage)

Sturm
September 26th, 2003, 09:25 AM
You are right! All one move KO attacks are banned.
Trainers are not allowed to hypnotise more than2 Pokemon.
"Doku doku" is not permitted in RS. (Because of its serious poison damage)That mean they love attack directly...maybe they will ban confuse and paralyse or any status problem too...I love crush them with strong blow..."Doku Doku" is now "Toxic" in US...

Kairi
September 26th, 2003, 09:29 AM
That league has too many strict rules, they remove some of the key elements in taking down standards. =/

jynx
September 26th, 2003, 09:32 AM
That mean they love attack directly...maybe they will ban confuse and paralyse or any status problem too...I love crush them with strong blow..."Doku Doku" is now "Toxic" in US...
No they won't.
They only ban attacks that makes it unfair to opponents.
Besides, we don't just attack.
Defense is a popular strategy in our Alliance.

Frostweaver
September 26th, 2003, 02:24 PM
let's see how...

*imagines Skarmory, Dusclops, Sableye, Curselax, Blissey and many other Pokemon being booted out of a Hong Kong skyscrapper*

well i don't see why these attacks are banned. The only thing that should be banned is the Fishtauros since it's the only pokemon that requires no thinking and no skill too. But how Fishtauros is no longer legal, no pokemon should be banned.

Counter to "Dokudoku" (toxic)
-rest (the most common counter)
-healbell/aromatherapy
-Immunity
-lum berry
-safeguard
-synchronize (eye for eye, tooth for tooth kind of thing)

Counter to sleep
-sleep talk
-Early Bird ability
-lum berry
-chesto berry
-safeguard

with all these legal counters for toxic, i don't see why it's cheap... it's a lot more "fair" than the evil curselax or blissey i say. Plus isn't rest such a common move than almost 50% of the time the opponent will have rest (or heal from poison?)

As for sleep it's a bit harder to counter than toxic. But how many sleep moves are there?
-spore (only from Parasect and Breloom, both grass)
-sleep powder( bugs and grass, sharing weakness to fire)
-lovely kiss (only jynx so far as there's no Pokecenter special pokemon with lovely kiss yet for RS)
-hypnosis (psychic, ghost mostly, both weak to shadowball, crunch and etc)

The only high accuracy sleep move is spore but both spore user is slow so you can get a first strike if you got the right Pokemon. Plus a good majority of hypnotizers are grass/bug types so fire attacks are effective (it's kind of good against jynx too). The other half of the hypnotizers will be weak to shadowball... so i don't see what's the threat. Poliwag family and a few others are the only exception, but they have better things to do than using hypnosis.


Just because a strategy is hard to deal with, that doesn't mean it should be banned from gameplay. A good player should try to come up with new strategies, and also think of ways to defeat common strategies as well. Avoiding the problem won't make you a better player. You have to try and figure out a solution in order to get better.

Kairi
September 26th, 2003, 02:42 PM
I think one-hit KOs should be freely used. They would be very useful sometimes for taking down tanks, and hey; if you linked two Gameboy Advances together, you can't "turn on sleep/one-hit KO clause".

Frostweaver
September 26th, 2003, 02:46 PM
i don't really mind one hit KO... but i don't like
-sleep talk
-rest
-fissure
-horn drill...

the fact that it can use a one hit KO move so often is rather freaky. Plus it's all luck based... if you used trap+accuracy100% or something then i won't mind at all. If you're just going to use a OHKO right on then i won't mind either. But the ability to either use a OHKO with 66% chance or completely healing is too scary...

Kairi
September 27th, 2003, 08:37 AM
I don't see why. Using Blissey/Skarmory/Kyogre all pretty much are just as daunting, this would be a great way to tackle them. Sure, I've been annoyed by fishTauros before, but still...

We see almost impossible Pokmon to take down, and with the addition of Sheer Cold it seems obvious they should be a part of the metagame. They are no more cheap than Hidden Power Jolteon or Zapdos with Rest, or Curselax. There are ways around them.

Smeargle will be fun...

Sheer Cold
Spore
Lock On
Mean Look

jynx
September 27th, 2003, 12:20 PM
We make it more professional and loyal to Tajiri Satoshi.

Toxic is banned in RuSa competition is because the damage system of it.
Other poison, comfuse, hypnotise, freeze, burnt can be frequently used in the competition. All tools can be used, except of fruit number 30 onwards.
Competitors are allowed to bring a note book and a pencil to calculate damages, probability and accuracy.
No calculators are permited.

That's why we are super in Maths!

Haruka
September 27th, 2003, 01:14 PM
heh...

That must be hard...

Is Curselax a pokemon or something on a pokemon. I am really confused now.

Kairi
September 27th, 2003, 01:28 PM
It's an abbreviation for a Snorlax that knows Curse, and usually Rest. The professional battlers use a lot of these kind of things. Such as pyroshuffler, pseudo-hazer,fishTauros etc.

Haruka
September 27th, 2003, 01:36 PM
Oh... That... I remember now... I am really confused with these abbrevations..

Dizzy
September 27th, 2003, 02:40 PM
It wouldnt really be an abbrevation , it would be more of a ...... um Descriptive Word....

Kairi
September 27th, 2003, 05:15 PM
I think it is. It's an abbreviation for "Cursing Snorlax." An abbreviation is merely a more condensed form of a word, and that's what Curselax is. ^^;

Frostweaver
September 27th, 2003, 06:03 PM
Curselax is evil... any common archtypes for a Pokemon usually got an abbreviation. Parashuffler is another example (but very similar to pyroshuffler), but this is rather an abbreviation for any Pokemon with pseudohaze+paralyzing moves. There are abreviation for a certain Pokemon with certain moves, and there are also ones for a certain common Pokemon strategies/combos.

Haruka
September 28th, 2003, 09:37 AM
And also makes things more confusing..

Maybe I should learn some strategies and makes some move sets. My move sets are so crappy.

jynx
September 30th, 2003, 10:32 AM
And also makes things more confusing..

Maybe I should learn some strategies and makes some move sets. My move sets are so crappy.
It is better to learn strategy than "combined damage+one hit KO"

Haruka
October 2nd, 2003, 08:24 PM
like this

Mind Reader + Horn Drill..

*shrieks*

BOO ya!

jynx
October 3rd, 2003, 10:01 AM
like this

Mind Reader + Horn Drill..

*shrieks*

BOO ya!
Sunny Day+Solar beam
Rain Dance+Thunder

Stratedgy example:
Snorlax----Defense Curl-->Defense Curl--> Defense Curl--> Rest--> Snore-->Snore-->Snore-->Snore-->Snore-->Thrash!!

Kairi
October 3rd, 2003, 11:15 AM
That's a poor strategy. For one, you would wake up from Rest before you did all those Snores, plus they would switch to pseudo-hazer by then. Curse is superior to Defense Curl for Snorlax, and without Fire Blast Skarmory will come in and blow it away.

Thrash is a useless move compared to Return or Double-Edge.

Haruka
October 3rd, 2003, 11:36 AM
Whats bad about Sunny Day + Solar Beam..

A fire pokemon can faint a grass pokemon or a pokemon in 1 turn since sunny day powers up Fire moves..

Good stratragy is using curse + rollout