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The Great Saiyaman
May 18th, 2006, 01:57 PM
I was skimming through a forum and reading post when I was scared out of my mind! It was a picture of a pokemon. Anyway, its about Magikarp. (Below is the post.)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6425/magikarp8tf.th.png (http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magikarp8tf.png)

"You know..Gyarados become sinister, cold hearted monsters due to the fact that as Magikarp, they were treated poorly by people due to their very poor intellect. Magikarp are worthless. Not only that..but they can be found everywhere - literally...as long as there's a water source..Anyway..They can't be eaten as they mainly consist of bone and have limited attacks. Most Magikarp just splash (flipping around) in battle and therefore always lose. When Magikarp evolves into Gyarados.. it's hatred for the people who mistreated it causes it to go insane. Therefore, most Gyarados are maniacal killers. Gyarados, since ancient times were known to go on violent bloody rampages lasting up to a month. Once awakened, they only seek to destroy and are incapable of calming down even after eliminating whatever or whoever angered them. Treat your Magikarp well or suffer Gyarados' rage."

I don't know why I was so shocked. But, I guess I had it in my mind that pokemon were cute and plushie... It makes me afraid of wild Gyarados. If Gyarados were to look like that in real life, just think about all of the other ones.

JX Valentine
May 18th, 2006, 02:33 PM
That's not necessarily true, though. In the episode, "The Joy of Pokemon," for example, a Magikarp evolved in an effort to free (from the clutches of Team Rocket) the Nurse Joy who helped it. That particular Gyarados wasn't a cold-blooded killer. It was a kind Pokemon determined to reward Nurse Joy for taking care of it. Likewise, the Gyarados Misty owns in The Electric Tales of Pikachu is completely tame and doesn't wish to harm her. In fact, it allows her to pet it and obeys such simple commands as "get that guy's hat." (Incidentally, the image of Gyarados seen below comes from that very scene, in which Misty's Gyarados steals Ash's hat before his Gym match in Cerulean Gym.)

While there are some cases in which it's true that Magikarp has evolved out of hatred for the human race (e.g. James's first Magikarp, the one that became the red Gyarados in the anime, Misty's Gyarados in Adventures), not all Gyarados evolve for that reason. Some evolve naturally and unprovoked, and others evolve because they were trained carefully.

QlLA\/A
May 18th, 2006, 06:07 PM
oh please, you think just because of a picture you think pokemon are killers! Gees, it is just a picture and it does not look like a killer, if you ask me it looks cool and just looks cool no matter what.

Lighten Up!!

CaptainBrain
May 18th, 2006, 07:17 PM
That shows that we should always be nice, you never know what's coming next.

Naminé
May 18th, 2006, 08:56 PM
To Naminé, it is only realistic if there are a few species of Pokemon that processes such *possible* degree of brutality. If that post writer tries to connect the world of Pokemon with the real world, then the Pokemon world in relative perspective remains more innocent and kind than this real. There are incidents where surfers lose their lives to dangerous sharks at sea. Poisonous animals, insects or spiders haunt different corners of the world. Even the simple bee can take the lives of those with allergies.

In a sense, even if Magikarps are not poorly treated by humans, Naminé thinks that it maybe necessary for Gyarados to act with such cruelity and terrifying strength in order to protect its breeding ground for the weak magikarps. If grown Magikarps are so pathetically weak, how weak are the Magikarps that are just given birth? Even though Magikarps are everywhere in any place with water, there is a rather limiting population number of Gyarados, meaning that a very few of them will ever survive long enough to evolve... Gyarados need any and every method to protect their kind and their pre-evolution form. An easy way to do this in Naminé's opinion is to guard their territory with unmatched brutality, so Magikarps will always have one final place to retreat to for safety if necessary.

Ash_Pokemaster
May 18th, 2006, 11:23 PM
Gyarados, since ancient times were known to go on violent bloody rampages lasting up to a month. Once awakened, they only seek to destroy and are incapable of calming down even after eliminating whatever or whoever angered them.
Orly? xD
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6272/happy2dn.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=happy2dn.jpg)
I think a picture is more than enough, and well, I think that others covered my opinion. Moreover, I think that evil stuff exist. Evil people are existing beside good people. But anyway, Pokemon are like animals, are all animals so cute? xD

The Dash
May 19th, 2006, 12:06 AM
Looks pretty happy to me lol.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
May 19th, 2006, 04:07 PM
I think that some Pokemon are killers while most of them aren't.

:t093:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

Garouga! Bare Your Fangs!
May 19th, 2006, 05:14 PM
In the manga Pokemon look like killers. Sometimes, anyway. In the anime, however, they only go as far as creepy.

Chibi-chan
May 19th, 2006, 05:54 PM
I'm sure that in the alternate Pokemon world, not all Pokemon are happy and willing to accept anyone as their trainers. I'm sure that the species that seem happy on the show/manga can also have a few of its kind that could be killers. Yeah. If Pokemon were real, the whole 'cute cuddly BFF' idea wouldn't be as high, it'd probably be more dangerous.

JX Valentine
May 19th, 2006, 06:41 PM
In the manga Pokemon look like killers. Sometimes, anyway.

It depends on the manga. In The Electric Tales of Pikachu, a lot of Pokemon look evil, yes, but Pokemon Adventures (especially the earlier volumes) has been known to make even a dead Psyduck look cute and cuddly. (This is, of course, based on opinion.)

Natsuki
May 19th, 2006, 08:20 PM
Well if I was an innocent little Magikarp and people were constantly beating me senseless and disregarding my potential, I think I'd be just a little upset too and be more aggressive once I evolved into something more intimidating. XD

In truth this does not necessarily make Pokemon evil. In Magikarp's case it is merely misunderstood. The biased opinions of humans are what cause the retaliations by creatures like Pokemon (figuratively, of course), animals, other humans, etc. In general Pokemon are said to havecalm and kindly natures, but any action serves to provoke a reaction, thus an abused Gyarados goes on a rampage destroying cities and stuff. XD

Point. Set. And match. :O

~Kelsey

MegaFuz
May 19th, 2006, 08:34 PM
Moral of the story:

Pick on someone your own size....that doesn't evolve into a giant beast. XD

Kalylia
May 20th, 2006, 05:36 AM
It's not just Magicarp that have that problem. Any Pokemon who's abused by humans is going to turn out like that. It's just like a dog or another person that's been kicked down one too many times. They snap.

True, they don't always snap into a severly violent state. Remember the Lapras from the Orange Island series? That little one was hurt pretty badly by humans, and it took the *coughpredictablecough* heroic actions of Ash to save it and make it see that not all Pokemon are bad.

Not all Garydos snap into violence either. In "Mewtwo Strikes Back," one of the trainers has a Garydos and pets it like a friend. No bloodshed at all. And then, in the Orange Island Series, when we first meet Professor Ivy, she's training a rather docile looking Garydos.

Big scary monster?

Please.

Pokemon turn out how you treat them. If you don't want an angry Garydos on your butt, then be nice to the Pokemon you're around. Simple as that.

The Great Saiyaman
May 20th, 2006, 06:42 AM
Now that same person sent me an e-mail. This time its about Haunter, I kinda figured he was evil. But, killing someone? The pokemon world is pretty scary... O.o

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9096/haunteraqua4sk.th.jpg (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haunteraqua4sk.jpg)

"If you get the feeling of being watched in total darkenss when no one is around, Haunter is there. In total darkness, where nothing is visible, it lurks, silently stalking its next victim. Its tongue is made of gas, yet by licking, it saps its victims life. It causes shaking that will not stop until the victim's demise. So if one beckons you, you must never approach it. On rare occasions after a windy night, a Haunter may be seen trapped in the day's shadows."

Dark Mightyena
May 20th, 2006, 06:44 AM
Yeah, that is a scary picture. o.o;

JX Valentine
May 20th, 2006, 10:09 AM
Curiosity speaking, but if this kid sent you a message about how Pichu is dangerous because it can't control its electrical powers, are you automatically going to start thinking Pichu is out to get the human race too?

Seriously, though, what I don't like about this guy's arguments is that he doesn't cite canonical proof to back up his theories. While, yes, the Pokedex does state that a Haunter's lick can cause an incessant shaking that eventually leads to its victim's demise (see Yellow, Silver, and Ruby/Sapphire), it's also shown in the anime that Misty was licked but only collapsed out of unintentional paralysis, a natural side-effect of the attack Lick that Ash's Haunter didn't actually intend on inducing on her.

Other than that, think about it. If the Pokemon world was truly dangerous to such a violent degree, do you really think that they'd let preteens face it with only one of those "dangerous" monsters by their side? The Pokemon world can't be full of darkness and death, and not all Pokemon can be bloodthirsty enough to want to decimate the human race. While I can't state canonical proof of this opinion, I base it on logic. A loving mother would not let her child out into the world by himself if she wasn't completely (or almost completely) confident that he'd be fine.

Ichigo Flash
May 20th, 2006, 11:07 AM
Pokemons emotions are linked to the trainers or the people its around.
If something is abused its going to grow up in hatred and strike out at someone.
If something is loved and cared for its going to do the same to others.

JX Valentine
May 20th, 2006, 11:41 AM
If something is abused its going to grow up in hatred and strike out at someone.

Or kill itself or simply die, depending on how it feels towards the abusive being and what species you're talking about.

The Great Saiyaman
May 20th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Curiosity speaking, but if this kid sent you a message about how Pichu is dangerous because it can't control its electrical powers, are you automatically going to start thinking Pichu is out to get the human race too?

I seriously got case for every pokemon. I have one for Pikachu and Jigglypuff.
Now, Its possible to get shocked to death. Almost every pokemon could kill a human being. (Maybe not baby pokemon.) Mewtwo was another example of a death machine. But, some how Ash changed him. Like all of the other pokemon he in the past.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7044/evilpikachu8df.th.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evilpikachu8df.jpg)

"Pikachu are ground-dwelling rodents with an affinity for electricity and lightning. They live in forests and plains, and forage for berries. The glandular pouches residing in its cheeks allow it to charge up and store electricity in chemical form, which it can discharge in bolts of lightning or ball lightning to defend itself from attackers. Pikachu are known to be powerful enough to bring down a skyscraper. If you run into wild Pikachu, keep your distance. A thunder attack full charged is enough to kill you."



If you haven't noticed by now its a joke topic...

Bella
May 20th, 2006, 02:12 PM
It looks like it was anorexic :(

See folks this is what Global Warming does!

lol

<3ella

JX Valentine
May 20th, 2006, 04:06 PM
If you haven't noticed by now its a joke topic...

Oh yes, because I was honestly laughing when I read the very first sentence of the very first post.

Jude Mathis
May 21st, 2006, 12:21 PM
Well if I was an innocent little Magikarp and people were constantly beating me senseless and disregarding my potential, I think I'd be just a little upset too and be more aggressive once I evolved into something more intimidating. XD
Lol Yeah, I agree with that.
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Pokemon only turn 'evil' if they're treated bad... kinda like Dogs and other animals do in real life...
Kinda like what Ekans said...Pokemon aren't evil, they only do bad things if their trainers tell them too.

It almost reminds me of that topic I read on Serebii where this Christian was going off about Pokemon teaching kids the way of Evil, Paganism, and Satanism. He said Pokemon was a Cult. ...O o ....

The Great Saiyaman
May 21st, 2006, 12:38 PM
I thought you guys would figured it out earlier. Someone on my friends forum was protesting the evils of pokemon. So, I copied his post.. I thought I'd give a laugh or two.

JX Valentine
May 21st, 2006, 06:57 PM
I thought you guys would figured it out earlier. Someone on my friends forum was protesting the evils of pokemon. So, I copied his post.. I thought I'd give a laugh or two.

Dear, understand a few things about the Internet:

1. It's writing. You can't exactly convey sarcasm.

2. I don't mean to flame you here. I'm just being honest. Thanks to constant exposure to other... unmentionable people and because of the fact that this isn't April Fool's Day, it would be safe to assume that the person would be foolish enough to believe it and that you'd be guillible enough to believe it yourself. I personally didn't catch on because of the degree of enthusiasm you had in your posts, and I compared it to the likes of this (http://www.pokemonfanuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7894), in which the member shown in the first post completely, honestly, and sadly believed every word he copied and pasted.
2a. And even then, sometimes the "it's just a joke lol" argument is just a cover up.

Jude Mathis
May 21st, 2006, 07:01 PM
I thought you guys would figured it out earlier. Someone on my friends forum was protesting the evils of pokemon. So, I copied his post.. I thought I'd give a laugh or two.

Perfectly aware that it was joke, I just felt like posting an opinion anyway. XD
This could be a perfectly interesting topic if it wasn't a joke. ^^;

Toothache
May 23rd, 2006, 04:52 AM
It may be a joke topic, but has a semi-serious point to it.

It's quite interesting how creepy and sinister some of the Pokemon can be. Look at Hypno for example, sucking the dreams right out through your nose. Or Umbreon who actually sheds poison from it's skin.

People should read the Pokedex entries more carefully.

The Great Saiyaman
May 24th, 2006, 12:44 PM
Dear, understand a few things about the Internet:

1. It's writing. You can't exactly convey sarcasm.
2. I personally didn't catch on because of the degree of enthusiasm you had in your posts.
2a. And even then, sometimes the "it's just a joke lol" argument is just a cover up.

Oh, I don't mean to flame you but,uh, I don't care about your opinion at all. :)
Its people like you who make the world crappy. Little by little you were getting under my skin but, now you've done it.

Oh, yeah. . . I'll be less enthusiastic next time I post a joke. Just for you, and I'm not being saracastic in anyway. Kazeto Tamashii, you're a great person and I don't want to start a fight.

What is up with you? ITS A FREAKING POST,MAN! Deal with it. I don't know what I even did to make you up-tight and proper. Watch this topic get closed by a mod.... Thanks alot for you thoughts, Kazeto.

PS: You're the first member to ever give me a problem, and the first one to be added to my hate list, CHEERS!

HoundoomOfTheDarkness
May 24th, 2006, 01:51 PM
Hahahaha, the first post sounds like my aunt! I think every time my cousins get something new, she Googles up searches to see if it's evil. If she finds something, the new toy mysteriously disappears. She hates everything. From Pokemon to magic to Disney for involving magic to France. It's really annoying. My step cousin had Pokemon Sapphire, he gave it to my cousin, my cousin was caught with it, no more Pokemon Sapphire.

JX Valentine
May 24th, 2006, 04:41 PM
Oh, I don't mean to flame you but,uh, I don't care about your opinion at all. :)

I love it how you certainly show it by firing back with a brash post full of attitude. I said that I thought you might've been the sort of person who would fall for it, past tense emphasized for a reason. I didn't try to insult you when I did, and I didn't try to insult you when I said what I thought you were like before you came out and said that it was a joke.

But either way, yes. I can certainly see that my comments have had absolutely no emotional effect on you whatsoever. None. Zip. Zilch.

Good on you.

What is up with you? ITS A FREAKING POST,MAN! Deal with it. I don't know what I even did to make you up-tight and proper.

You opened your mouth, and I feel that it's only right to step in and say what I think in response. I certainly have a right to, after all. If I missed the so-called joke, then fine. I really didn't find it funny, but I certainly didn't have to be told with a snide tone that it's a joke in posts such as this (http://pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=2086596&postcount=20), especially when I wasn't (http://pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=2085560&postcount=14) the (http://pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=2084992&postcount=12) only (http://pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=2084769&postcount=10) one (http://pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=2084742&postcount=9) who (http://pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=2084599&postcount=8) apparently (http://pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=2084007&postcount=5) took it seriously (http://pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=2083861&postcount=3). Yes, I'm the first one who decided to have a decent argument, just because I like to debate. (If you've read my other posts, you would've seen that.)

PS: You're the first member to ever give me a problem, and the first one to be added to my hate list, CHEERS!

Because certainly, rather than telling me that I'm offensive or at least take it to PMs to tell me that you have a problem with me and would like me to stop posting, you'd find that it's a bit more mature to add me to a theoretical hate list. Okay then.

Charizard Fan
May 24th, 2006, 05:26 PM
Are you De-De-Dee!!!!!!! Gyrados is just a little on the creepy side.......

miyo
June 16th, 2006, 10:17 PM
hmmm.. think of Lance's red gyarados.. it's good, strong and cool... definitely not similar to the picture you posted... lol XD

Tina
June 17th, 2006, 04:00 AM
My opinion really has no standing, but someone needs to say this:

Kazeto Tamashii, you need to calm down. You're taking everything personally. Yes, it's writing, but geeze, even when I read the first post I knew he was making a joke of how they thought pokemon were these "evil beings". Get off your high horse.

The Great Saiyaman, you need to take things to PMs. This did not need to be solved here. We all know that they were being a little overboard, so we don't need you to go off and rant about it.

As for what I think about the evil pokemon, you can also make Teletubbies and Barney evil. Are they though? No.

Blaze Dragon
June 17th, 2006, 05:36 AM
As everyone knows, no being is "bad" but grows with what they learn. Pokemon are the same, if you treat them badly, they will be bad, but if they are treated nicely, they won´t be bad. Is simple as 2+2

-Blaze Dragon

Saint of Swords
June 17th, 2006, 05:57 AM
Yeah pokémon are cold blooded killers and we humans made them that way! XD

Shadeslayer
June 17th, 2006, 06:04 AM
We? I'm not from Cipher! Don't tell me you are.