Debate: Post Counts

[Haruka]

Warning: DO NOT FLAME OTHER PEOPLE DUE TO THEIR OPTION.

In this very disputable topic, if PC Post's don't have the post count number anymore, What would other people will feel about this and how it would effect the community as a whole? Would it make Spamming worse or make more people post quality posts than quanity. What do you feel about this?

[Dizzy]

I thought DT said he was going to start this.

[Latios Master]

Well, I think that post counts should stay. It would make it easier for newer members to see who are the more active members, and for any member. Also, if it would be gone, I think there would be more members who will come and spam because no one would see how much they spammed through post count, just like you can see at The Pokemasters forums. Also, it is nice to see you reach a certain post like number 1,000. It's fun to look back at things like those. I could go on and on, but I think the ultimate answer is that post counts should stay. It cleans up confusion.

[MegaLightBlaze]

Well, I think that post counts should stay. It would make it easier for newer members to see who are the more active members, and for any member. Also, if it would be gone, I think there would be more members who will come and spam because no one would see how much they spammed through post count, just like you can see at The Pokemasters forums. Also, it is nice to see you reach a certain post like number 1,000. It's fun to look back at things like those. I could go on and on, but I think the ultimate answer is that post counts should stay. It cleans up confusion.
I agre with LM!!!

[Scyther5]

Yeah, i like psot counts its cool to compare posts, and know how much youve posted.
Also it helps show what people are active alot.

[DragonTrainer]

I for one, am completely agains it. For too long now have people felt inferior to me, just because I'm the titan of posts and whatnot. I know people here feel inferior to others, just because they don't have such high post counts, I was one of those people. Posts aren't that great guys, the only important part is the thought behind them. It's just a number, that's it, nothing but a number

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Kairi]

Often people will say “Post counts don’t matter—we should get rid of them.” Of course then you could say “If they don’t matter, why *not* have them?”

So it is first important to note that postcounts—for better or worse do have impact on everyone. Be it at the conscious level: “I want to get to 2000 posts!” or the subconscious level, they affect how we all post.

Proof? Funtime in Pokéland. I don’t need to tell you most people quit posting in any thread that was placed in there. Why? It’s still as fun—you just don’t gain posts. Perhaps it’s part of the fun, feeling as if you are accomplishing something by earning more posts. Perhaps if people weren’t posting so much to raise their count, they would have never gotten involved with people at the community and thus never met their friends.

But all of what I have said thus far deals with how people handle postcount from a first-person perspective. Let’s think about third person now. How you see others’ postcounts. Do you treat people differently? On purpose or out of habit? As others have said, new members are impressed, nay sometimes frightened about members with large postcounts. This seems natural. But I believe the same applies for those who are not new members. You have to admit, would you have taken this topic or any topic more seriously if a person with 100 posts made it?

200?

1,000?

We sometimes express our awe in another’s ability to post a large amount in a short time. “Wow, you posted x times today!” Even the postaverage thread shows this. Someone famous for posting in it is Pokemaster10000. He posted in it because he liked to comment about his rising average.

--Bad right?

Not necessarily. While he did post about this, he enjoyed talking to other people in that thread that became his friends. That wouldn’t have happened in there was no postcount. At the same time though, it can cause people to abuse sections like trivia in which they have no genuine interest in. This is sad, because it makes trivia loop endlessly, excluding people.

That brings another downside to postcount—excluding people. While friends can be made over postcount-raising activities, it can also cause anyone who *isn’t* interested in doing so or part of the loop already to be completely cut out from the conversation. This can include new members, who don’t know anyone, or even older members who feel out of place.



So, should postcount be removed from posts? I don’t know. I do know if it is, there will be an uprising because it is quite a big change—even if we like to pretend we’re above it. Postcount affects you. It affects me. Its absence would affect you. It would affect me. This obviously means a great deal of thought needs to be put into it. We haven’t had a big spammer problem, and that is not why we’d consider removing it. It, if justified, would be for a more welcoming environment for everyone. But it may work to cast us away, even if we don’t think it can.

[Geometric-sama]

I like being able to see my post count. It's not a status thing (I have more posts than you XD), it's just nice to know that you have supported the community that many times. Plus, when the new people see the more active members, they know who they can ask questions of XD.

[DragonTrainer]

Heh, people, I have been there. I myself was obssesed, until I realized it was naught but a silly little number describing how much you talk. Some people with large post counts hardly put thought into their posts, all they look forward to is being the top. I did it before, and none of you deny it, I was probably the worst case of obssesion with posts

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Scyther5]

Nah, it doesnt make people inferior they just feel that they need to be active more(well at least me) so it can be a good thing!

[Geometric-sama]

Come on, DT, I didn't think you were that bad with obsession. But there are cases of that "quantity over quality" thing. However, I do think that the good points of post count far outweigh the bad.

[Haruka]

Yes, because too many people get left out in many things. I don't really care about my post count that much ether. ^_^... I'm a decitated member here and I enjoy posting and talking to you. It's makes me socially active.

[Geometric-sama]

I have a lot more friends online at PC than I do in real life. It's just so much fun to talk to people who share my interests.

[DragonTrainer]

Lol, out of nowhere, I found myself asking if my count could be completely removed, just mine though. The first thing a lot of people notice about me is my postcount. They are pretty much scared of me when they see that

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Scyther5]

I have a lot more friends online at PC than I do in real life. It's just so much fun to talk to people who share my interests.
Thats a good way to put it, Its fun to have post counts but as long as your with friends and having a fun time it really souldnt matter how many posts a person haves!

[Arcanine]

I would hate it if PC got rid of the post count. Why you ask?
1. PC will have more questions about "why did you get rid of the post counts?".
2. PC will be spamed by members wanting it back.
3. Mods will have a full time job cleaning up all the spam.
4. PC will lose a lot of members, Alyssa said would we lose or gain members and think about it how on earth would you gain members? New people coming saying "WOW they don't have any post counts here, I will join since they don't have any". A lot of members will hate to lose it. And I know DT you want to get rid of it but in a week or two you will miss it.
5. What good will come out of getting rid of it? So a few members wont feel inferior to members with a lot of posts? Maybe they do but what about staff members? Some members feel inferior to staff. Maybe we should also get rid of all the staff members too? There has to be members that feel inferior when I make a post or Abby or DT or Alyssa or Jake or SA or Soph or Scott or Tommy (thats all I can think of off the top of my head).

[Haruka]

Well, if we do this, we would be like SPPF, which we don't want to and you cannot completely get rid of postcounts. You still have the profile and memberlists.

[Latios Master]

Well, if we do this, we would be like SPPF, which we don't want to and you cannot completely get rid of postcounts. You still have the profile and memberlists.
Why go into profiles and member lists if you can have the post counts next to each post? It makes things easier that way. I think everything should stay the way they are now.
Also, if DT got rid of his post count like he is talking about, there will probably be new members that will be saying things like "Why does DT have so many posts everywhere and yet his post count is so low?" It would confuse all of them.
Also, I don't see why someone that just joined with only a few posts would feel inferior to someone who has thousands of posts, or a staff member. There may be a few, but not everyone.

[Geometric-sama]

I never felt inferior, I think. I just wanted to make friends with people, and if they had high post counts then so be it!

Like when I paired up with Austin. Here was this person who was really popular, had a million posts, and I only had a few. But it didn't matter. We could be friends anyway. (We're even better friends now that we've broken up, but that's a different story.)

BTW, who is Abby?

[Latios Master]

I never felt inferior, I think. I just wanted to make friends with people, and if they had high post counts then so be it!

Like when I paired up with Austin. Here was this person who was really popular, had a million posts, and I only had a few. But it didn't matter. We could be friends anyway. (We're even better friends now that we've broken up, but that's a different story.)

BTW, who is Abby?
I felt the same way. When I paired up with Alyssa, she had like 2,000 posts and I only had like 200 something.

Abby is Kairi. :P

[Geometric-sama]

Abby is Kairi? o_O XD LM, I wouldn't call 200 "only". If you knew how long it took me to get to that number... XD

And with the pairing, it was the same with Scott. He had so many more posts than me! We had fun anyway, until Ally turned up... XD

[Phantom Angel]

Hm...*no comment about it*
It is not that important thing to think about.

[Geometric-sama]

Austin... was there really any point in that post? Or was it just to increase your post count? XD

[Pokemaster10000]

I'm neutral about it. It pulling me both ways.

I could lower my post count to prove it but that would mean I would have to talk less. ;_;
And tell you what. I show my average to show how much I appreciate talking to members in PC. Though it's the only communication I have other than other forums. If I were to show someone, I quit posting in the Pokemon Trivia and Games Section.
I know I might go overboard with post counts sometimes when I'm excited but I'll stop. Alright?
What even more important to me? Making friends!
I like getting into converstions with people.
I really think all of you that posted here, I got into conversations with.
Any besides if I were to make that number big, I would be spamming which I know I'm not.

Alright *sniff*
I really doubt any of you know how I'm feeling. :'(
But what ever you will do. I'll still remain in PC...no matter what.

[Haruka]

Well, if we get rid of postcounts, more members might be open and PC would be much friendier and less I have x amount of post and bragging.

[Pokemaster10000]

Well, if we get rid of postcounts, more members might be open and PC would be much friendier and less I have x amount of post and bragging.

Then I'll agree with you Alyssa.
If we don't terminate it, it might end up slipping out of my mouth again.
*sigh* I'll try not to say anything about it.

[The Evil One]

I say keep it.

I'm proud of my lack of posts (However, that's because I post in three of the boards only XD)

And I like my...*counts amount of friends on PC*...about...twelfty

[Arcanine]

How would PC be more open over getting rid of post counts?
How would PC be more friendlier because we don't have any post counts?

For all you that want to super high post count, that want to be first on the top posters. I been there. I once wanted to be the highest poster on PC (I was the third highest on the old PC). And it was fun tring to get that title of the highest poster on PC. I mean on the old PC before I was a Mod I had in my sig like "The 5th highest poster on PC" whenever I got higher or lower I would change that to show where I was. And when I got higher it would make me happy. If I got lower then I would post more to get back to where I was. On the "Top 20 Posters". We don't have that any more. I don't see members now saying "Hey I did it, I made it to the top 20 posters on PC, I am so close to the top 20 posters list now" and I miss that. I remember when members tried for that title, I could see in people's sigs saying "On the top 20 posters list" you don't see that any more. I bet you look at the list of the highest posters (top 50 now) and you wont see any one have that they are on the top 50 posters. My, my now that I stop and think about it when did PC get to stiff. I know a lot of you members joined the new PC and never saw the old PC or never saw me before I was a Mod (I was always tring to catch up with 22sa and his post count). Now that I think about it where did the fun go. Sure you talk to your friends and that is fun. But on the old PC that was real fun, playing the games talking about anything to get another post. Some how that has left PC (and I know it will never come back).
Any one see The One Above^? It has almost 3K posts in 6 months. On the old PC that would have never ever happened. In 6 months we might have had around 15 or more The One Above^'s with 1K posts (1K since the DB errors and we started a new one every time it hit 1K) in each one. You don't see that now. I know I was one of the Mods that said "Yea get a forum where posts don't count" well I was wrong. I hate to say this but every thread in Fun Time in PokéLand is dead. No one posts in it. I use to be a super high posted in The One Above^ but ever since it was moved to a forum where posts don't count do I post in there any more? No, you wont see posts by me in there. And the same goes for a lot of other members. I think that forum is just nothing. I mean Q & F has more threads. Heck the S-Mod and higher forum has more threads then Fun Time in PokéLand (and we never post there).

I know I have said before I don't care for my post count but that is not all true. I care for it and I don't care for it. It's just a number to me. But it also shows how much I am on PC. It shows how long I have been here.

And all you that say "Get rid of the posts" are forgetting one little thing (you Mods should know this). We cannot get rid of the post count. We can only hide it on posts. Just go to the profile and see it. Now if new members come and see no post counts and go to the profile and see posts they will think PC is all messed up. So hiding it will make PC more open more friendlier? I don't think so.

[Haruka]

We know we can't get rid of it completely, but if you keep postcounts on posts, you are encouraging more people to brag about their posts. Everyone would say I have X amount of mosts than you do. and there would be more competition. This is not the point of having a dedicated community. Everyone has to get along with each other and not shove comments that will hurt the member. The point is, the Pokemon Land forum is created to have fun without worring about postcounts. Not to gain postcounts to get into some stupid top 20 list. This is not the point why we post. We post because we want to socialize and have fun.

[Imakuni?]

please dont get rid of the post count. i like to know how many posts i got...

[Kyosuke]

For me, post counts shows on a forum that your not a newbie, thats almost a guantee 90% of the time. But of course it will effect others, thers always people who really admire seeing their post count nobody can help that and how many they got in one day, others may not and think there just numbers which is completely fine. So for me, either way will do.

[Pokemaster10000]

We know we can't get rid of it completely, but if you keep postcounts on posts, you are encouraging more people to brag about their posts. Everyone would say I have X amount of mosts than you do.

*puts his hands up*
Hey I quit bragging so no one point fingers at me.
I'm behaving...XD

[Kairi]

I'm neutral about it. It pulling me both ways.



I could lower my post count to prove it but that would mean I would have to talk less. ;_;

And tell you what. I show my average to show how much I appreciate talking to members in PC. Though it's the only communication I have other than other forums. If I were to show someone, I quit posting in the Pokemon Trivia and Games Section.

I know I might go overboard with post counts sometimes when I'm excited but I'll stop. Alright?

What even more important to me? Making friends!

I like getting into converstions with people.

I really think all of you that posted here, I got into conversations with.

Any besides if I were to make that number big, I would be spamming which I know I'm not.



Alright *sniff*

I really doubt any of you know how I'm feeling.

But what ever you will do. I'll still remain in PC...no matter what.



That’s not the idea—you are free to post as much as you want here, excluding double posting and the lot. You shouldn’t let post count, high or low, affect how much you post. This means in your case, a high post count should not hinder you from posting.

For those with a lower post count, it should not make you most more than you really want to. It’s good you quit trivia since you were uniteresed in the actual game, that’s a good example. Like I said, post count and raising it can help with friendships! And that is good.



Well, if we get rid of postcounts, more members might be open and PC would be much friendier and less I have x amount of post and bragging.



Maybe. Maybe not. I could brag about a lot of other things, for instance. My MotM votes, my rank, my join date. Now we aren’t removing those things, for thye are not the same as post count. It’s a very influential thing on all of us.



How would PC be more open over getting rid of post counts?

How would PC be more friendlier because we don't have any post counts?



For all you that want to super high post count, that want to be first on the top posters. I been there. I once wanted to be the highest poster on PC (I was the third highest on the old PC). And it was fun tring to get that title of the highest poster on PC. I mean on the old PC before I was a Mod I had in my sig like "The 5th highest poster on PC" whenever I got higher or lower I would change that to show where I was. And when I got higher it would make me happy. If I got lower then I would post more to get back to where I was. On the "Top 20 Posters". We don't have that any more. I don't see members now saying "Hey I did it, I made it to the top 20 posters on PC, I am so close to the top 20 posters list now" and I miss that.



There still *is* a way to see the top twenty or any number you want, by sorting the member list. However, it isn’t the same. Why? Post count can be an official placebo for any number of things ailing a person, such as a feeling of inadequacy, of being left out, of being small. Like you said, it is a number. In reality nothing more. However that number effects how frequently and what we post, in short how we interact with everyone.

I remember when members tried for that title, I could see in people's sigs saying "On the top 20 posters list" you don't see that any more. I bet you look at the list of the highest posters (top 50 now) and you wont see any one have that they are on the top 50 posters. My, my now that I stop and think about it when did PC get to stiff. I know a lot of you members joined the new PC and never saw the old PC or never saw me before I was a Mod (I was always tring to catch up with 22sa and his post count). Now that I think about it where did the fun go. Sure you talk to your friends and that is fun. But on the old PC that was real fun, playing the games talking about anything to get another post. Some how that has left PC (and I know it will never come back).

That should never be the point of the forum in the first place, IMO. Granted, any way we can have fun is a good thing, but it’s not always fun. It becomes a serious problem if people get so caught up in the “game” they post spam, or exclude everyone from conversations.



Any one see The One Above^? It has almost 3K posts in 6 months. On the old PC that would have never ever happened. In 6 months we might have had around 15 or more The One Above^'s with 1K posts (1K since the DB errors and we started a new one every time it hit 1K) in each one. You don't see that now. I know I was one of the Mods that said "Yea get a forum where posts don't count" well I was wrong. I hate to say this but every thread in Fun Time in PokéLand is dead. No one posts in it. I use to be a super high posted in The One Above^ but ever since it was moved to a forum where posts don't count do I post in there any more? No, you wont see posts by me in there. And the same goes for a lot of other members. I think that forum is just nothing. I mean Q & F has more threads. Heck the S-Mod and higher forum has more threads then Fun Time in PokéLand (and we never post there).

Yeah, this does prove postcounts are a motivating reason why people play games. And maybe that wasn’t so bad. Still, we also need some good conversations, those too were a big part of old PC. Then again, removing it from the postbit might kill those off too. This is a very influential topic, for sure.

I know I have said before I don't care for my post count but that is not all true. I care for it and I don't care for it. It's just a number to me. But it also shows how much I am on PC. It shows how long I have been here.



And all you that say "Get rid of the posts" are forgetting one little thing (you Mods should know this). We cannot get rid of the post count. We can only hide it on posts. Just go to the profile and see it. Now if new members come and see no post counts and go to the profile and see posts they will think PC is all messed up. So hiding it will make PC more open more friendlier? I don't think so.

It shows how much you are on PC to…other people? To you? The affection and respect you have would cover that, I think. Y’know, until someone mentioned DT had hit #1 there was a time I was totally oblvious to post count. I honestly didn’t realize he was up there so far. Then for a while I kinda raced with him, then let it go. I enjoy the good conversations with people—but those may not happen if post count is removed and no one comes to chat.

Lol, out of nowhere, I found myself asking if my count could be completely removed, just mine though. The first thing a lot of people notice about me is my postcount. They are pretty much scared of me when they see that



~DragonTrainer

While it is bad they are prejudiced against you for it, you must consider what removing it would do. It could make a lot of people—some even your friends, very upset. You don’t want that do you? Not to say I want it gone or I want it to stay, I am saying it is a matter that requires a substantial amount of thinking for both sides.

[Pokemaster10000]

That’s not the idea—you are free to post as much as you want here, excluding double posting and the lot. You shouldn’t let post count, high or low, affect how much you post. This means in your case, a high post count should not hinder you from posting.

For those with a lower post count, it should not make you most more than you really want to. IT’s good you quit trvia since you were uniteresed in the actual game, that’s a good example. Like I said, post count and raising it can help with friendships! And that is good.


Oh I see. Thanks for telling me. ;)
No wonder I have so many friends.

Well it doesn't hinder me from posting.
I'm just quick to reply at things. :)

[Ryoutarou]

Ya with the counts you can tell who's been here longer most of the time and you can tell who would need help around here.

[Pokemaster10000]

Ya with the counts you can tell who's been here longer most of the time and you can tell who would need help around here.

But wouldn't it be better to just look at the join date?
No, then we still won't know who's active.
Wait! I have an idea.
We can remove post counts for "active count" like to see how active the person has been in PC.
That way it will solve your problem blue....without posts counts.

[Ryoutarou]

or just leave the post count in the profile....

[Arcanine]

We know we can't get rid of it completely, but if you keep postcounts on posts, you are encouraging more people to brag about their posts. Everyone would say I have X amount of mosts than you do. and there would be more competition. This is not the point of having a dedicated community. Everyone has to get along with each other and not shove comments that will hurt the member. The point is, the Pokemon Land forum is created to have fun without worring about postcounts. Not to gain postcounts to get into some stupid top 20 list. This is not the point why we post. We post because we want to socialize and have fun.Here comes this braging argument again. if saying this will stop people from braging then remember it is still on the profile. if people wanted to brag about it then they still could even if we do what you and DT says. And if this braging argument is the best you got then we should lock this thread since any one could brag even if you hid the post counts.
And Alyssa how come I still see post counts on PT? You want to get rid of them on PC but they are not gone on PT.

[Ryoutarou]

Hey just get rid of them too many people would spam....i dont like spamers

HEY 700 POST!

[Pokemaster10000]

Hey just get rid of them too many people would spam....i dont like spamers

HEY 700 POST!

Shhh, hey...no bragging. :P
I still think my idea about switch post counts
for "active counts" was good.

[Ryoutarou]

I wonder if anyone got my ironic joke :P

[Pokemaster10000]

I wonder if anyone got my ironic joke :P

Joke? Of course I got it.
*points at blue and starts chanting*
Spammer...spammer..spammer....:P

Can anyone comment on my idea about
switching post counts to "active counts"?
I want to know if it's good. :)

[Ryoutarou]

I think it's one of the better idea's so far.

[Dizzy]

That’s not the idea—you are free to post as much as you want here, excluding double posting and the lot. You shouldn’t let post count, high or low, affect how much you post. This means in your case, a high post count should not hinder you from posting.

For those with a lower post count, it should not make you most more than you really want to. It’s good you quit trivia since you were uniteresed in the actual game, that’s a good example. Like I said, post count and raising it can help with friendships! And that is good.







Maybe. Maybe not. I could brag about a lot of other things, for instance. My MotM votes, my rank, my join date. Now we aren’t removing those things, for thye are not the same as post count. It’s a very influential thing on all of us.







There still *is* a way to see the top twenty or any number you want, by sorting the member list. However, it isn’t the same. Why? Post count can be an official placebo for any number of things ailing a person, such as a feeling of inadequacy, of being left out, of being small. Like you said, it is a number. In reality nothing more. However that number effects how frequently and what we post, in short how we interact with everyone.



That should never be the point of the forum in the first place, IMO. Granted, any way we can have fun is a good thing, but it’s not always fun. It becomes a serious problem if people get so caught up in the “game” they post spam, or exclude everyone from conversations.





Yeah, this does prove postcounts are a motivating reason why people play games. And maybe that wasn’t so bad. Still, we also need some good conversations, those too were a big part of old PC. Then again, removing it from the postbit might kill those off too. This is a very influential topic, for sure.



It shows how much you are on PC to…other people? To you? The affection and respect you have would cover that, I think. Y’know, until someone mentioned DT had hit #1 there was a time I was totally oblvious to post count. I honestly didn’t realize he was up there so far. Then for a while I kinda raced with him, then let it go. I enjoy the good conversations with people—but those may not happen if post count is removed and no one comes to chat.



While it is bad they are prejudiced against you for it, you must consider what removing it would do. It could make a lot of people—some even your friends, very upset. You don’t want that do you? Not to say I want it gone or I want it to stay, I am saying it is a matter that requires a substantial amount of thinking for both sides.


We couldnt get you to brag if we payed you Kairi, you know that XD. Even so, Post Count is Good for as Many Reasons as it's bad, im a little for for it then against it, but the only reason it should go is because people do stupid things, and being jealous against posts is stupid, upon jealousy comes the need to post, and Speedposting if you will turns into Spam. You know what I'm saying?

[Chairman Kaga]

Although my opinion is pretty much meaningless, here's what I think:

Post counts mean nothing to responsible members...I think we have a good enough system here that if some member becomes openly obsessed with spamming up their post count, we can counteract it quite easily...I'm sure we've had to take that action in the past. For me, the post count is a nice little feature...it's sort of a symbol of my ever-so-slight coming up in the world here...it makes me feel oddly special in a way.

I know I haven't said anything that's new to this topic, but oh well :p

[Ryoutarou]

that's a good view post counts really dont matter.

[Lucifer]

I don't see how it would make a difference. I don't usually find myself eying up people's postcounts anyway. It's what and how they post that really matters. If someone has over 2000 posts, yet the majority of them are just incoherent tripe, then I couldn't give a monkey's whether they're a respected, long-term member of the community or not. I shan't be reading their posts again.

[bna_li]

I do look at others post counts. But I dont see what getting rid of post counts would do. Just because someone has more posts than you, they dont feel inferior. I'm not feeling inferior. I dont care if someone has more posts than me. And I think others should not either. They should worry more about whats going on in the world, not about someone has more posts than them. Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm saying that post counts or no post counts dont matter. It doesnt matter. If you get rid of it, fine, if you dont, fine, but why should someone feel bad just because he has less posts than someone else. It doesnt make sense. Posts counts are not important. The posts are important.

[PichuSecretBase]

I think the post count should stay. It gives me a sence or pride that I have actually stayed at the forum and posted ^___^ Also It's fun to see how many I make in a day or whatever.

[bna_li]

Exactly. Something I forgot, it tells us how active we are.

[Pokemaster10000]

Exactly. Something I forgot, it tells us how active we are.

Exactly what I meant.
Did you like my idea about switching post counts to "active counts" it shows how active we are.

[Lucifer]

Why do people need to know how active others are though? :s

[Pokemaster10000]

Why do people need to know how active others are though? :s

I think someone said this already.
Well it'll be better because newbies can ask questions to more
experienced members and a good way to know how much they know
is how active they're on at PC.

[Lucifer]

Well most people are able to help out, regardless of their post count/join date.

[Pokemaster10000]

Well most people are able to help out, regardless of their post count/join date.

Ahh, yes but I was talking about activeness.
People who don't go here much doesn't know more
than people who does go here a big deal of times.

By the way, that's a funny avatar you got there, Lucifer.

[Arcanine]

Why do people need to know how active others are though? :s
Well if some one was going for a Mod spot then we have to know if that member is active around PC before we will mod him/her.
And yes lets say some one comes around PM once a month. They will not know what things are wrong so that member might have joined a long time ago but don't know if some one asked a question.

[Flaming Torchic]

It seems no one bothered to bring this topic up until a certain forum got rid of their post counts...coicedince?

Anyways, I think it should stay. As long as poeple don't SPAM to raise their post count it doesn't really matter. Maybe it does make forum posting fun somewhat, and maybe it doesn't, but all I know is that no matter what you'll still have spammers, post count or no post count.

And besides, I have my suspicions that people only want it gone because a Site purposely got rid of its post count on the forums =P

(Courtesy of Kairi for the idea)

[Lucifer]

Well if some one was going for a Mod spot then we have to know if that member is active around PC before we will mod him/her.
And yes lets say some one comes around PM once a month. They will not know what things are wrong so that member might have joined a long time ago but don't know if some one asked a question.

What about those that browse the boards a lot but just don't post?

Pokemaster10000: yeah I am particularly fond of the funny green dinosaur avatar. XD

[Flaming Torchic]

What about those that browse the boards a lot but just don't post?

Pokemaster10000: yeah I am particularly fond of the funny green dinosaur avatar. XD
Yes, but how can you tell if they're online a lot? And besides, if they aren't really active; meaning they don't post often, then they shouldn't really be a moderator. Because you also have to be involved in the forums and share your thoughts also, not just browse.

[Lucifer]

Moderators take care of the various forums. You don't need to post 150 messages a day to be able to do that, or even be a popular/respected member of the message board.

How did this move on to moderator recruitment anyway. [Doi]

[Pokemaster10000]

What about those that browse the boards a lot but just don't post?

Pokemaster10000: yeah I am particularly fond of the funny green dinosaur avatar. XD

Hmm, they'll seem to know a lot also.

Funny green dinosaurs...wow.
I think I've seen a lot of those in fairy tales. :P

[Dizzy]

Exactly what I meant.
Did you like my idea about switching post counts to "active counts" it shows how active we are.

Au Contraire :)... 22sa and frostweaver have around 4000-5000 each and both arent as active.. but it shows how active they arent on the member lists.. No One cares about posts.. If DT was here he would back me up on that one.. But Alyssa knows.

[Pokemaster10000]

Au Contraire :)... 22sa and frostweaver have around 4000-5000 each and both arent as active.. but it shows how active they arent on the member lists.. No One cares about posts.. If DT was here he would back me up on that one.. But Alyssa knows.

Yes, so uhh. that means you like my idea right? :P
To me it seems like the perfect idea.

[Kairi]

FT, we’ve been wanting to have this debate for a long time. Serebii has nothing to do with it—they are in much deeper trouble than us at the moment.

[Flaming Torchic]

Moderators take care of the various forums. You don't need to post 150 messages a day to be able to do that, or even be a popular/respected member of the message board.

How did this move on to moderator recruitment anyway. [Doi]
Whoever said that they had to post 150 times a day? Holy over exaggeration. >.>' What I mean is that if they aren't active and atleast post once in a while, it is nearly impossible to tell how active they are.

Whatever you say Kairi, and indeed they are. =\ But anyways this isn't to talk about SPPf.

[Haruka]

Yes, true....

The S - P - P - F Acronym is very clever... indeed. ^_^

[Lucifer]

Whoever said that they had to post 150 times a day? Holy over exaggeration. >.>' What I mean is that if they aren't active and atleast post once in a while, it is nearly impossible to tell how active they are.

It was, err, pretty obvious I was over-exaggerating. It didn't need to be stated.

Anyway, you've hit the nail on the head there. It's impossible to tell how active someone is by postcount alone, so it shouldn't come into consideration when judging whether or not said member is seen to be 'active' or not, for whatever reason.

[Flaming Torchic]

Yes, but why would you want members as moderators when they don't even get involved at all whatsoever? It's not about having a high post count, it's about posting and atleast sharing your thoughts. Think about it, would you mod someone who doesn't even post on the forum? I understand that it isn't about post count, but if you don't post at all and just browse the forums then it is impossible for the admins to tell if you are eligible to be a moderator. They need to know if you SPAM, or if you flame, and it is impossible to tell that if the member doesn't post atleast once in a while.

I think the topic of this thread is changing, so let's end this. My opinion is, keep post count unless post count becomes a huge problem.

[Lucifer]

Personally, I would only mod someone who's sensible, and has a fairly good grasp of the English language. There's nothing worse than a forum leader who speaks like a five year old, acts like a five year old, and expects you to respect them for it. I believe we had one of those around these parts last year sometime. "Lord" something. He was quickly de-modded for being nothing more than a power-hungry, illiterate brat.

Being both active and knowledgeable may be nice attributes for a moderator to have, but there are other, more important things to take into consideration before that.

This subject isn't so far off-topic that it should stop being discussed. :\

[Hikaru's Twin]

For the most part of this debate, i agree with Andy (Arcanine) in keeping the postcounts, i think his reasons are pretty valid and some of them could end up being the ending result of terminating the post counts.
It's hard for me to express any decent reasons as to why i'd like to keep the post counts as most of them have been taken and argued against--or even agreed with and i see no point in causing repetition.
Looking at the removal of post counts as being a way to reduce Spam, i find myself disagreeing with that slightly, i can't say i've really ever heard of or seen a tidal wave of Spam in order to increase anyones posts, here. All i'm saying is that there have been spammers here and although their reasons for Spam were outwith post count increase, those spammers are nothing that PC has not been able to handle....so why should we let this bother us, and be one of the reasons to take away post counts...

[Sakura and Espeon]

Well wait... if SPPF Removed postcounts, that means it will make Spammers stop posting.

I think it won't help at all, they would just spam anyway because postcounts don't count anymore. so with or without postcounts, the spammers will still spam.

[Flaming Torchic]

Well wait... if SPPF Removed postcounts, that means it will make Spammers stop posting.

I think it won't help at all, they would just spam anyway because postcounts don't count anymore. so with or without postcounts, the spammers will still spam.

Exactly, because some of them SPAM to deliberately annoy the members of SPPf. We have some members that do that just because they hate SPP, and occasionally PC is a victim of those kinds of spammers as well.

[bna_li]

I dont see how it would help. People who spam dont care about post counts. What they care about is making people pi****. Or they have a bad day and want to pi** others off. Or they have nothing better to do. That is why getting rid of post counts would not make anything better.

[Geometric-sama]

I think you're right, Bruce. In all my time on the Internet, I've only ever met one person who spammed to increase post count, and I managed to get her out of the habit.

[Arcanine]

Like the ones before me. Getting rid of posts will not stop a spamer. When we got spamers from other forums (PE2K is I think the only forum we got spamers from) then they was not real spamers what made there post like "jdhgiehroaejnkf" they went around PC saying "PC Sucks, Join PE2K" yes that is spam but they wanted to tick members off (think about it does any one think them members got any one from PC to join there after that?) and having there post counts or not having it would do nothing for them. They will not say "Ok I made ten spam posts so I will stop now". Spamers come when then want to have a kick of wantching people get mad (that's why the best way is just leave the thread and get a Staff Member to do something about it).
So the way I look at it getting rid (or hide) of the post counts will do nothing on spam. It will just make some lose cannon members (we do have them but most of them stays in one forum that comes to mind) get mad and spam.

[Dizzy]

Like the ones before me. Getting rid of posts will not stop a spamer. When we got spamers from other forums (PE2K is I think the only forum we got spamers from) then they was not real spamers what made there post like "jdhgiehroaejnkf" they went around PC saying "PC Sucks, Join PE2K" yes that is spam but they wanted to tick members off (think about it does any one think them members got any one from PC to join there after that?) and having there post counts or not having it would do nothing for them. They will not say "Ok I made ten spam posts so I will stop now". Spamers come when then want to have a kick of wantching people get mad (that's why the best way is just leave the thread and get a Staff Member to do something about it).
So the way I look at it getting rid (or hide) of the post counts will do nothing on spam. It will just make some lose cannon members (we do have them but most of them stays in one forum that comes to mind) get mad and spam.


Remember that Time when we had the porn spammers? What was that about?

[Flaming Torchic]

Remember that Time when we had the porn spammers? What was that about?

Don't worry, they are just people who have too much time on their hands, we get those occasionally at SPPf *coughhSSJMASTERcough*

[Teara]

Meh! Talking about getting rid of pozt count?? B-but...I juzt hit 1000, I waz zo proud of myzelf-_-'''

eee...porn zpammerz? Now that iz juzt Zcrewd Up!

[Hikaru's Twin]

Don't worry, they are just people who have too much time on their hands, we get those occasionally at SPPf *coughhSSJMASTERcough*

Yes, i remember that. I really wish i didn't though! What he did was really really horrible! It makes me feel ill and i want to forget it but i just can't...

I agree with you Teara, it is screwed up.

[Kairi]

If there’s any good, free resource for use, people will find a way to corrupt it or make it less useable for those will good intents. That’s why there are mods, to get rid of it and try to keep it as clean and enjoyable as possible.

[Flaming Torchic]

If there’s any good, free resource for use, people will find a way to corrupt it or make it less useable for those will good intents. That’s why there are mods, to get rid of it and try to keep it as clean and enjoyable as possible.

Yup, that's why you and everyone else on the mod team get paid the big bucks Kairi ;)

[DragonTrainer]

Lol, we wish we got paid big bucks :P. We don't get paid anything actually, we get the joy of being able to help out others, which is more than some money could ever give us ;)

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Flaming Torchic]

Lol, we wish we got paid big bucks :P. We don't get paid anything actually, we get the joy of being able to help out others, which is more than some money could ever give us ;)

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

Obviously =P I was joking around. =P

One thing I also fear is that if you take rid of post counts, then you might lose activity. =\ Sure, there are some peopel who'll still post, but the people who worked hard to get to where they are right now might be greatly upset. I think that is one of the reasons PE2K lost A LOT of its active members.

[Teara]

One thing I also fear is that if you take rid of post counts, then you might lose activity. =\ Sure, there are some peopel who'll still post, but the people who worked hard to get to where they are right now might be greatly upset. I think that is one of the reasons PE2K lost A LOT of its active members.
Exactly my point. Everyone waitz for their 100 and 1000 and zo on poztz, it'z zomething to look forward to. I don't really underztand how getting rid of it will ztop zpammerz...how iz pozt count and zpam even related???
Man...I really need to learn more about computorz*.*

[DragonTrainer]

Well, postcount is a very big thing y'know. Has both it's Pro's and Con's, and a lot of them at that. It really would be better for everyone to kepp it, unless if we get a lot of SPAM or things like that, but we have everything under control

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Arcanine]

Remember that Time when we had the porn spammers? What was that about?
Yea it was a group of people that had a lot of free time on there hands. And I remember it happening on the old PC and also another time where me and Abby was the only ones on PC.

[Sakura and Espeon]

Yes, and it was a few days before the reset also. :D

[Dizzy]

I remember coming on that morning and signatures were turned off.

[^^NICK^^ v.2.0]

Warning: DO NOT FLAME OTHER PEOPLE DUE TO THEIR OPTION.

In this very disputable topic, if PC Post's don't have the post count number anymore, What would other people will feel about this and how it would effect the community as a whole? Would it make Spamming worse or make more people post quality posts than quanity. What do you feel about this?


I think that post doesn't really matter. Back in the old PC, I cared a lot about posts, but now, as you can see, it isn't a priority. What's the big deal. It's just a number.

[Flaming Torchic]

I think that post doesn't really matter. Back in the old PC, I cared a lot about posts, but now, as you can see, it isn't a priority. What's the big deal. It's just a number.

I guess some people see post count as a game, a game to see who can have the highest. I started becoming VERY active again in February, and came on everyday posting which got me to the post count I have noe, but I only did it because I wanted to get more involved with PC. Also at that point, I needed a break from SPPf.

[Arcanine]

Here is something to think about. Why do we even post? Why is most of the threads in MVP just a thread to get another post? Why post in the DCC? One time Alyssa said in there that she was working on her new vB forums. Now was there a point to that post? No, any one whould have known "She got vB and she is not on PC so she is working on her forums", so why did she post it? she wanted another number added to her post count. Her first post in Frosty's thread just said she was hurt and not to flame. Duh, every one knows not to flame and after all that she should be hurt. Half of her second post was just a relap what she is talking in this thread and the other half she copied from my post. Talking about how it's not all fun to be a Mod and thank you frosty. So her first and second post in there could have been good with out her posted. Her third post was complaining about the forum she is a Mod in (again). Her fourth post was saying about that "How tall are you thread", you don't think I forgot that thread that fast? So on one page she made four posts that didn't have a point.
Heck what is the point in this post? What is the point of this thread? What is the point of every thread on PC? Most people post in a thread for there post counts. Why did every one say bye to SA in his thread in the Mod Lounge? He wont see the posts in it. So why post? To say "Bye SA" don't matter he wont see the posts.
See what I mean, every one says "I don't care for my post count, it's just a number" then stop posting, since if it's just a number stop posting so it will stop runing that number up. If not then don't say "I don't care for it" since that is a lie in it self.

[Flaming Torchic]

Here is something to think about. Why do we even post? Why is most of the threads in MVP just a thread to get another post? Why post in the DCC? One time Alyssa said in there that she was working on her new vB forums. Now was there a point to that post? No, any one whould have known "She got vB and she is not on PC so she is working on her forums", so why did she post it? she wanted another number added to her post count. Her first post in Frosty's thread just said she was hurt and not to flame. Duh, every one knows not to flame and after all that she should be hurt. Half of her second post was just a relap what she is talking in this thread and the other half she copied from my post. Talking about how it's not all fun to be a Mod and thank you frosty. So her first and second post in there could have been good with out her posted. Her third post was complaining about the forum she is a Mod in (again). Her fourth post was saying about that "How tall are you thread", you don't think I forgot that thread that fast? So on one page she made four posts that didn't have a point.
Heck what is the point in this post? What is the point of this thread? What is the point of every thread on PC? Most people post in a thread for there post counts. Why did every one say bye to SA in his thread in the Mod Lounge? He wont see the posts in it. So why post? To say "Bye SA" don't matter he wont see the posts.
See what I mean, every one says "I don't care for my post count, it's just a number" then stop posting, since if it's just a number stop posting so it will stop runing that number up. If not then don't say "I don't care for it" since that is a lie in it self.


Ehh...Andy, that logic is messed, you you're asking us to stop posting? That makes no sense, because if we don't post then PC will become inactive. Also, although there may be things that Alyssa does that you do not agree with, I don't think that you should really post that, because you may start a flame war against her.

I usually only say what I am doing when someone before says "So, what's everyone up to?"

And not everyone does it for their post count, but there are some who I have my suspicions that do it, but I'm not going to point fingers.

[Kairi]

It’s about interaction with peers. We all came here, at least most of us, to have discussions about Pokémon and the like. We have become friends, and are interested in each other’s opinions and events. If someone scored an A on their test, we’d congratulate them and so on. In a debate, we interact with our fellow members and gain a good sense of interactivity and community. The point is to enjoy our meeting together to share knowledge, games, and experiences.
If I had users, I'd be more than happy to wipe my post count to prove it. =\

[DragonTrainer]

Lol, I would wipe my postcount away as well. True Andy, I care not for postcount, but that doesn't mean I won't quit posting. I post because I like to talk and interact with my friends, not because I like to have a big number by my name

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Frostweaver]

Reason why we post is as mentioned, a form of socialization with others.

You know Arcanine... you don't have to talk ever. THere are mutes who are living perfectly well... but i wonder why they want to speak again? Without words they have difficulty communicating with others. Communications make every day life different from every other day. Posting is a form of communication. It's about the ideas and things within a post that makes posting fun, not the +1 you get form it. Interaction with people means communication. Through communication ideas exchange from one another, opening up your thoughts and mind.

Posting is exactly the same as why we talk, why we play (even if it's "one player" video games... it's interaction between you and the game producers who put their thoughts into the game), or why we do almost everything. Posting should be something everyone does, but just that the point of posting is lost now as people shifts their attention from the interaction to the +1. But in the end (even if you're just seeking for +1), everyone post because of interaction with people one way or another.

SPAMmers spam because they want to be noticed in one way or another, therefore it's still interacting with somebody, sending his/her ideas to another person. I can promise you that no SPAMmers will invade a board that has no one in it. They also seek interaction and response from someone else (which is ultimate, interaction of some form.)

People who want those +1s post because they want a higher number. The higher number can and does give the person a sense of superiority, or higher status. People with higher post counts will get admired by others. This is also an interaction between people.

And then finally... some people post because they want to speak their mind and thoughts regarding a topic, chatting with people to have a fun time and to share their opinions. This is obviously, another form of interaction.

So in the end... posting's ultimate goal is communication and interaction between people. Just that everyone demands different forms of interaction and communication... some want attention, some want power, and some just wants a good friend to talk to. Everyone post, because everyone interacts with one another.

(sorry for the poor organization in terms of structure within this post... not really well thought out =/ )

[Dizzy]

Reason why we post is as mentioned, a form of socialization with others.

You know Arcanine... you don't have to talk ever. THere are mutes who are living perfectly well... but i wonder why they want to speak again? Without words they have difficulty communicating with others. Communications make every day life different from every other day. Posting is a form of communication. It's about the ideas and things within a post that makes posting fun, not the +1 you get form it. Interaction with people means communication. Through communication ideas exchange from one another, opening up your thoughts and mind.

Posting is exactly the same as why we talk, why we play (even if it's "one player" video games... it's interaction between you and the game producers who put their thoughts into the game), or why we do almost everything. Posting should be something everyone does, but just that the point of posting is lost now as people shifts their attention from the interaction to the +1. But in the end (even if you're just seeking for +1), everyone post because of interaction with people one way or another.

SPAMmers spam because they want to be noticed in one way or another, therefore it's still interacting with somebody, sending his/her ideas to another person. I can promise you that no SPAMmers will invade a board that has no one in it. They also seek interaction and response from someone else (which is ultimate, interaction of some form.)

People who want those +1s post because they want a higher number. The higher number can and does give the person a sense of superiority, or higher status. People with higher post counts will get admired by others. This is also an interaction between people.

And then finally... some people post because they want to speak their mind and thoughts regarding a topic, chatting with people to have a fun time and to share their opinions. This is obviously, another form of interaction.

So in the end... posting's ultimate goal is communication and interaction between people. Just that everyone demands different forms of interaction and communication... some want attention, some want power, and some just wants a good friend to talk to. Everyone post, because everyone interacts with one another.

(sorry for the poor organization in terms of structure within this post... not really well thought out =/ )

I wonder Why we dont have .25 parts of a post... you know what I'm sayin... lol Instead of Doing 1000 posts it would be 250.. or something like that. Non.. Sorry I'm not feeling good so dont hold me account for Nonsense.

[Arcanine]

Then do it, since I am the only member around here that is still fighting for keeping them. Hide the posts, lets see how many members will keep posting. Lets see how many posts PC will get. Lets see the members that will leave. Do it for a month and watch PC's total post count just level out. I don't care any more, I want to see what every one is talking about. I want to see all the spam that PC wont have any more. Do it, hide the post counts. And I also would like to see Kwesi post in this thread, see what he thinks on the matter. It's his forums.
Do it hide the posts, lets watch PC turn into another SPPF. Hey why not start making a ton of rules too?

Why I want to keep the posts: I don't want to watch PC drop dead over the members that wont post when we hide the posts (always keep that in mind we are not killing the posts we are hiding them). I don't want to see all the threads on PC just starting to have the posts on it get lower and lower each day. I want post counts back in Fun Time but I fear even if we get them back the threads in there wont ever get back like they use to. I mean The One Above wont ever get like it use to be. And if we hide posts on PC then it will do the same. Fun Time is proof of what I say. Does any one post in The One Above like they use to? Does it get posts like it does on the old PC? No, it's dead like all the threads in there. And if you turn PC into that forum, where posts don't count. Then guess what all of PC will be dead as that forum.

[Dizzy]

EEEE, O Andy é casta Gierra por postas? e Nao? I'm not fighting to keep posts, but I dont really have much of a say, seeing that I'm overlooked and outspoken. Que Postas é Importante?

[Frostweaver]

Firstly... should know me by now that i'm an idealist ;p *c* Go communism even though it will never freakin' work out because of the invisible greedy factor! (same thing for post count... we know that a board withers without them, and Pokeland is the living example)

Secondly... I still don't really know what's a good method that rids the "PC Politics" caused due to post count (such as people asking for "worshippers"), yet still keep people in PC. It's very obvious not everyone can think like me, and certainly they should think differently (as long as it's harmless to others). I'm still trying to think of a good way that takes a balance of both. But for now, just leave it i guess...

[22sa]

Meh! Talking about getting rid of pozt count?? B-but...I juzt hit 1000, I waz zo proud of myzelf-_-'''

eee...porn zpammerz? Now that iz juzt Zcrewd Up!
Congrats on your 1k. I think I actually remember a porn spammer getting banned here. x_x;
I remember when members tried for that title, I could see in people's sigs saying "On the top 20 posters list" you don't see that any more. I bet you look at the list of the highest posters (top 50 now) and you wont see any one have that they are on the top 50 posters. My, my now that I stop and think about it when did PC get to stiff. I know a lot of you members joined the new PC and never saw the old PC or never saw me before I was a Mod (I was always tring to catch up with 22sa and his post count). Now that I think about it where did the fun go. Sure you talk to your friends and that is fun. But on the old PC that was real fun, playing the games talking about anything to get another post. Some how that has left PC (and I know it will never come back).
Yes, I know it was fun and it'll never come back. I wonder what really did trigger us, me into posting so much? I guess I was very enthusiastic at the time... Like seeing a bright light in myself learning rapidly, and God's light. I really knew nothing. There was so much to do, so much exploring around to do. It was fun. I began to believe... something else, like another personal possibility (I've just been through a especially dark time of the zillions I've been through) had come, like I had waked... from a dream. I tried to put my talent (doing what one can) into as many things as possible here at PC. And eventually as I realized how much I'm posting each day, I improved how much I was posting each day. Well, I know now that nothing can be achieved without divine assistence. =P Anyways... some things change. Those fun days started dying as soon as important members started leaving. What can I say? Good things die.

PE2K's golden days have died out too. In the exact same way, by important members leaving. The atomsphere over there was never really as nice as PC's but its members had a closer connection with each other, were more open with friends and foes, and I think that is why they were so successful. But it was something that I could not quite understand back then so I decided I would be much better off at PC and I believe I was right.

[Ice demon]

I wonder if anyone mentioned this?[to lazy to read entire thread]
Anyway, i don't know if this is possible but why not make post counts optional - if u want it have it or if u don't want it then don't take it.

I am almost 120% sure someone said this - its too obvious ^_^.........

[Sakura and Espeon]

Yes, I added a option for the user to show or not to show post counts on posts.. ;)

at my forums atleast. :D