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Krafty Quill
June 6th, 2006, 01:50 PM
Okay, basically I'm asking you people what you make of science, you know stuff like this whole evolutionary concept and the big bang e.t.c. How much do you believe this stuff?

Also, I was thinking...

If you take a glass of water and add two cubes of ice, you should see the cup's water level slightly rise, right?

Now, if you took every living animal out of the sea wouldn't the Earth's water level decrease? Couldn't this mean the planet wasn't three quarters water?

McGraw
June 6th, 2006, 02:34 PM
Scientific fact is non-fiction, the two terms are synonymous. Scientific theories are educated speculation and some may prove fictional despite consensus. Evolution is watertight in my opinion and the Big Bang theory is more believable than the alternatives. For the former, "conclusive" (creationists disagree, likely from misinterpretation and stubborness) evidence has been discovered (laboratory observations of bacteria and viruses) but the latter remains as speculation despite widespread agreement of its credibility.

If every other variable remains constant, then yes; the sea level will decrease if all living organisms are removed. Three quarters of the surface area of the globe is covered by water. Intuition and basic physics tell us that if sea levels drop, then the proportion of the surface area covered by water will similarly drop.

Lord Mike
June 6th, 2006, 03:54 PM
This topic is perplexing to me.

I'm not the docter you'd see going to college at age 12 that's for sure.

Red530
June 6th, 2006, 06:46 PM
Okay, basically I'm asking you people what you make of science, you know stuff like this whole evolutionary concept and the big bang e.t.c. How much do you believe this stuff?

Also, I was thinking...

If you take a glass of water and add two cubes of ice, you should see the cup's water level slightly rise, right?

Now, if you took every living animal out of the sea wouldn't the Earth's water level decrease? Couldn't this mean the planet wasn't three quarters water?



I could believe in Evolution or the Big Bang.

But really...none of us were there to witness anything. But there is a lot of proof towards evidence. Thing is...is that proof being correctly?



And about the sea animals in the ocean...I believe that no, the water level would not decrease, because animals and ice are totally different things and have different densitites.
Animals swim through the water, when ice cubes lay on top.

But that is just my opinion.
But it is an interesting observation, I must say.

McGraw
June 7th, 2006, 03:32 AM
And about the sea animals in the ocean...I believe that no, the water level would not decrease, because animals and ice are totally different things and have different densitites.

Anything dense enough to float or be submerged, will displace water. Therefore, by removing it, sea levels will fall.

Red530
June 7th, 2006, 06:11 AM
Hm...I guess you're right then.


How many of you guys are AGAINST Science theories?

Dawson
June 7th, 2006, 07:06 AM
I believe in evolution. I can't really see how you can't believe in evolution, it seems pretty conclusive to me.

The Big Bang though, I'm a bit iffy on. For me, it's a bit farfetched to just think that everything was created due to a chance explosion. I think there's more to it than that and I think in the future, possibly 100's of years into the future, we will have a better explanation than the "big bang".

With the ocean thing, technically the water level would fall but it wouldn't be by any significant amount. And it wouldn't really adjust the 70/30 water-land ratio either.

...And that was a very peculiar thing to think about too.

Whiplash
June 7th, 2006, 07:57 AM
I believe in science but it doesn't hurt to believe in some fiction X3.

Dawson
June 7th, 2006, 07:59 AM
"Believe in fiction" kinda contradicts itself.

Lord Mike
June 7th, 2006, 08:17 AM
It does, but people can believe what they want.

I hope this doesn't turn into a religious debeate.

wakachamo
June 7th, 2006, 08:33 AM
The Big Bang though, I'm a bit iffy on. For me, it's a bit farfetched to just think that everything was created due to a chance explosion. I think there's more to it than that and I think in the future, possibly 100's of years into the future, we will have a better explanation than the "big bang".
The Big Bang though is not a confirmed theory itself. It is only the most accepted Universe-beginning theory.

Lord Mike
June 7th, 2006, 08:49 AM
Lol. Educated hypothesis are debated about a lot these days. :)

Dawson
June 7th, 2006, 09:18 AM
The Big Bang though is not a confirmed theory itself. It is only the most accepted Universe-beginning theory.
I didn't say it was, just that I was very sceptical of it. And I seriously disliked having to learn about it in Science class when I didn't believe most of it.

wakachamo
June 7th, 2006, 10:26 AM
I didn't say it was, just that I was very sceptical of it. And I seriously disliked having to learn about it in Science class when I didn't believe most of it.

Well yes, which is exactly why I made my point there. Why is it taught as if it was a confirmed theory?

Lord Mike
June 7th, 2006, 10:35 AM
Lol. Reverse psychology. I guess science contains a lot of that. :)

Krafty Quill
June 7th, 2006, 02:16 PM
Anything dense enough to float or be submerged, will displace water. Therefore, by removing it, sea levels will fall.

*nods*

And I didn't think man was in possession of anything that could calculate the vast waters accurately. Probably just another statistic with a wide margin of error. Pssh ... Scientists.

Lord Mike
June 7th, 2006, 02:18 PM
Lol. Technology is growing everyday. No wonder man knows all this stuff!

Krafty Quill
June 7th, 2006, 02:29 PM
Not really, he doesn't. He does what he does best and comes to concrete conclusions from a series of derived probabilities. Technology isn't a bad thing ... well, not most of the time, it can just be untrusting in some situations. A "wise" man once told me, that, with regard to our purpose on this planet, Science attempts to our questions of "How", while religion answers our "Why" questions.

Red530
June 7th, 2006, 03:06 PM
That is very true.
I could believe in either evolution or the Big Bang.

Who knows, maybe the Big Bang started first and THEN evolution began. *shrugs*

Krafty Quill
June 7th, 2006, 03:11 PM
Well, apparently there was nothing before the Big Bang, so that would've had to come first.

Red530
June 7th, 2006, 03:15 PM
Oh, I meant evolution of humans and animals. ^.^;

But I guess we won't know until we're dead. XD

Krafty Quill
June 7th, 2006, 03:18 PM
Oh, I meant evolution of humans and animals. ^.^;

But I guess we won't know until we're dead. XD

Huh?

I meant Evolution of humans too. Which could only mean we are talking about two different big bangs.

Lord Mike
June 8th, 2006, 06:17 AM
It seems there are things about this universe that will never be answered. :\

wakachamo
June 8th, 2006, 07:23 AM
Y'know, Red350, we don't really get your point. Of course evolution started after the Big Bang. o-O

Evolution is in concern of the habitants of Earth, or maybe even other planets, possibly. But for those planets to exist, obviously the Big Bang had to come into place, no?

bna_li
June 8th, 2006, 04:39 PM
How could evolution start before there was an earth... that's not making sense there.

Red530
June 10th, 2006, 12:20 PM
Wakachamo, I thought that Krafty Quill was talking about a different evolution that I was talking about. Sorries, sorries.

I never said that evolution started before there was Earth. XD


Do you believe that it wasn't only humans that evolved, but also other beings...The ones we talk about today as aliens.

Krafty Quill
June 10th, 2006, 02:08 PM
Wakachamo, I thought that Krafty Quill was talking about a different evolution that I was talking about. Sorries, sorries.

I never said that evolution started before there was Earth. XD


Do you believe that it wasn't only humans that evolved, but also other beings...The ones we talk about today as aliens.

Yeah, I heard a thoery about that too.

That oher beings were the dominant species on this planet long before man came. And every so often they come back and 'spy' on us O_O

Red530
June 11th, 2006, 02:19 PM
Yeah, I believe in Aliens. But people take such an advantage and take fake photos of UFOs. -_-

Lord Mike
June 11th, 2006, 02:51 PM
I agree. I also believe there are many creatures beyond the Solar System and the Milky Way. People say they're no such thing as aliens because the thought of them might scare young children in the family after watching a science fiction movie. They can't keep saying that until its a proven fact.

Jeremy
June 11th, 2006, 03:47 PM
I believe in creation, yet I also believe in evolution. I think I just contradicted myself. XD

Well I do believe in aliens. I mean, there is a possiblity. Are the only supposely highest intelligent lifeforms? Shouldn't there be others, much wiser than us? Are we really alone?
I think I gotta stop playing Metriod. XD

Krafty Quill
June 12th, 2006, 04:14 AM
I agree. I also believe there are many creatures beyond the Solar System and the Milky Way. People say they're no such thing as aliens because the thought of them might scare young children in the family after watching a science fiction movie. They can't keep saying that until its a proven fact.

Can't keep saying that there are no such things?

While that maybe true it can also be said that people shouldn't say that they do exist unless it's a proven fact. Which is the mentality, I believe, most of the Earth's population has at the moment.

Kylie-chan
June 12th, 2006, 04:50 AM
This topic is perplexing to me.

I'm not the docter you'd see going to college at age 12 that's for sure.

Don't post if you have nothing to contribute, then. It equates to spam. ^^;

-shrugs- I have a... weird sort of hybrid of beliefs. xD Mine's built upon science and religion... o_O;

bna_li - Maybe I misunderstood you, but... o.O Sure, there could have been evolution before Earth. On other planets... o.o

wakachamo
June 12th, 2006, 04:54 AM
I don't see why other creatures might live among the universe, or even in the same galaxy.
I do perfectly believe in aliens, but like Red350 said before, people take an advantage of this and start making/taking photos whatsoever. >>;

@Kylie: Upon science and religion? Do tell. XD

Krafty Quill
June 12th, 2006, 05:05 AM
Hiyori, Science and Religion? O_o

Sounds interesting. Please Tell. ^^

Dawson
June 12th, 2006, 05:10 AM
I believe humans are the most advanced species in the universe. Yeah, I believe that life does exist beyond earth, but I don't understand why people assume they're much more advanced than we are. We know very little about the other planets around us, but from what we do know, I wouldn't think that they have the resources to become as technologically advanced as we are, nevermind as intelligent. I think it's just based off people wanting to believe, rather than educated guesses.

Krafty Quill
June 12th, 2006, 05:17 AM
Well, I'm guessing that people believe that aliens would be more advanced because according the theories of their origin, they have been around a lot longer than humans have. If that was the case than it could be easily said that the probability of them being more advanced would be somewhat plausable.

Lord Mike
June 12th, 2006, 05:20 AM
Yeah, I guess you can believe that.

I found something else. I knew about this for a while. Have you ever wondered about the tenth planet to come? Meet the most distant object in the Solar System, Sedna. About 90 AU from the Sun, Sedna has about a 12,050 year orbit. Click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90377_Sedna) to find out more.

Krafty Quill
June 12th, 2006, 05:28 AM
That's a good informative link ^^

Unfortunately, some parts are a little bit too scientific for my undeveloped brain XD' From the looks of it, it would be highly unlikely that any life ever lived on Sedna. I heard somewhere that Zeti Reticuli is the galactical home of a certain species of aliens O_o

Lord Mike
June 12th, 2006, 05:31 AM
Its also quite the ice ball to me. There could be something living under the surface but its core is probably just as cold. :)

wakachamo
June 12th, 2006, 07:04 AM
I believe humans are the most advanced species in the universe. Yeah, I believe that life does exist beyond earth, but I don't understand why people assume they're much more advanced than we are. We know very little about the other planets around us, but from what we do know, I wouldn't think that they have the resources to become as technologically advanced as we are, nevermind as intelligent. I think it's just based off people wanting to believe, rather than educated guesses.

You do have a point there, yes, and you can as well support that because there really is no proof that aliens are more intelligent that humans, yes. I actually pretty much agree with you there.

bna_li
June 12th, 2006, 05:54 PM
Don't post if you have nothing to contribute, then. It equates to spam. ^^;

-shrugs- I have a... weird sort of hybrid of beliefs. xD Mine's built upon science and religion... o_O;

bna_li - Maybe I misunderstood you, but... o.O Sure, there could have been evolution before Earth. On other planets... o.o
Well, I don't believe in aliens yet, girl, but, yeah, there could be evolution there.

Red530
June 15th, 2006, 01:31 PM
How do you know that humans are the most advanced?

Now, when it comes to technology, humans are very advanced, but when it comes to mentallity and the choices they make.... ______________

Aliens could be more intelligent than us, and I'm not talking about technology.

McGraw
June 15th, 2006, 08:25 PM
A "wise" man once told me, that, with regard to our purpose on this planet, Science attempts to our questions of "How", while religion answers our "Why" questions.

Why must a reason/purpose for life necessarily exist? Besides, science provides an answer; to pass on your genetic material to the next generation. I venture that you're probably looking for something more meaningful. If you look for something abstract and you want to find it, you will invariably find an answer. Conveniently, here is where religion steps in; it answers nothing conclusively except for the human need for comfort.

Now, when it comes to technology, humans are very advanced, but when it comes to mentallity and the choices they make.... ______________

Only a highly developed brain is capable of irrationality.

Aliens could be more intelligent than us, and I'm not talking about technology.

A moot point.

Red530
June 16th, 2006, 06:30 AM
Yeah, very moot. XD Ah wells...

Thing is that we'll never know until we really know. 0_0

Krafty Quill
June 16th, 2006, 06:48 AM
Well said Red350

All we can do is wait and see what happens...

v_v

How else do you possibly see them being more advanced? You mean like spiritually or something O_o

Red530
June 16th, 2006, 11:55 AM
No. I mean when it comes to choices and wars and violence.

It might sound crazy but it may be true.

B-Baller
June 16th, 2006, 09:41 PM
Some things in this universe probably just aren't meant to be found out about...

I believe in the Big Bang (makes more sense than the Creation even though I'm a Christian) and evolution (again, makes more sense). May not be true but tough, that's what I believe in. And I also believe in aliens. But not the ones that are green and have three eyes, no. Ones that are just like us.

Krafty Quill
June 17th, 2006, 12:39 PM
Some things in this universe probably just aren't meant to be found out about...

I believe in the Big Bang (makes more sense than the Creation even though I'm a Christian) and evolution (again, makes more sense). May not be true but tough, that's what I believe in. And I also believe in aliens. But not the ones that are green and have three eyes, no. Ones that are just like us.

Just like us? But wouldn't that be more weird? :\

Firebolt5
June 17th, 2006, 12:46 PM
One day if we meet other creatures we'll be aliens to them.

Krafty Quill
June 17th, 2006, 12:58 PM
One day if we meet other creatures we'll be aliens to them.

If other creatures do exist out there, we are already aliens to them.

B-Baller
June 17th, 2006, 08:33 PM
Just like us? But wouldn't that be more weird? :\

Well duh. I can't really find a reason why they wouldn't be different from us. ...Maybe they breathe in hydrogen or something minor like that.

But the universe is huge. It'll probably take us a few hundred or thousand years to find some life form in some distant galaxy, but heck it's possible.

Red530
June 18th, 2006, 07:32 AM
I totally agree with you Bart-kun, when it comes to the Big Bang and Evolution.