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enyce
June 11th, 2006, 08:29 PM
My god game freak you had to do it again. After GSC, you havent learned. Who wants to fight level 11-14 trainers after we recieved our third badge. These people are not serious.

I beaten wattson. But these trainers are not preparing me. My god, in RBY we had tough trainers. I mean by our second badge. We were fighting people in the freakin 20's.

This is insane...Its making it hard to get experience, so I actually have to fight weak wild pokemon too. Argh....

They better not do this wit daimond and peral. Weak trainers are getting on my nerves.

Agent9
June 11th, 2006, 09:01 PM
You: Go Charmander (LV5)!
Bug Catcher Earl: Go Caterpie (52)!

Agent9: Precisely. It'd make the game too hard.

BerryHunter
June 11th, 2006, 09:02 PM
maybe not that hard.......but i understand wat enyce means:P

enyce
June 11th, 2006, 09:04 PM
You: Go Charmander (LV5)!
Bug Catcher Earl: Go Caterpie (52)!

Agent9: Precisely. It'd make the game too hard.

now you're being silly

If you are on badge six do you wanna see level 20 pokemon??? of course not. You would wanna see like level 30-35....

In RBY the trainers were tough. Everybody on this one are little crybabies.

Agent9
June 11th, 2006, 09:12 PM
In Fire Red, you do see Lv 35 pokemon in the sixth badge. So I don't know what your going on aout. The GEM and Metal Saga pokemon were weak. The Elite Four with Lv 40 - 50 - 58 pokemon? Seriously.

enyce
June 11th, 2006, 09:48 PM
In Fire Red, you do see Lv 35 pokemon in the sixth badge. So I don't know what your going on aout. The GEM and Metal Saga pokemon were weak. The Elite Four with Lv 40 - 50 - 58 pokemon? Seriously.

Fire red is a remake, it doesnt count -_-

shanecdavis
June 12th, 2006, 06:26 AM
I have a lot more than one complaint about the games, but the weak trainers definitely are towards the top of my list. They are weak and incredibly predictable. On top of that, all the gym leaders STILL have no diversity on their team. Norman is the greatest example. Vigoroth and two Slaking in RS and Spinda, Vigoroth, Linoone, and Slaking in Emerald. Emerald at least made a (lame) attempt, but seriously, the Normal-types have such an incredibly vast selection. Would it really hurt too if ONE of the Pokes they used didn't follow the typing. Especially in the E4. How, for the love of God, did those 5 trainers become the E4???? That right there shows how incredibly weak the trainers in the region are. Easily the worst of all regions. I am really hoping that DP will be a change in format, but I am not holding my breath. How cool would it be for DP to incorporate Colosseum into it, to actually make the end of the game interesting. No more Weak 4, just get the badges for a chance to enter.

We can only hope.

♥Naomi♥
June 12th, 2006, 06:32 PM
when leveling,the weak trainers suck >_<
when in a hurry,yay!

VanirElf
June 12th, 2006, 10:02 PM
yeah the weak trainers are annoying as.

I'd like it to be like it was when the trainers were strong and getting badges was actually a challenge.

I hope they'll do another match call type thing in Diamond/Pearl 'cuz
well I like the pokenav and all but I wanna be able to fight the trainers
that I want when I was which u can basically do every 100 steps with the
match call thing in FireRed/LeafGreen.

my pokemon pet peeves.

#1 that they lock up legendaries so the only way to get some of them
is to go to a nintendo event...not everyone can go to those.

#2 the weak ingame trainers. 'cuz they make leveling up soo agonizingly slow.
the gym leaders and elite 4 are a joke as trainers.

Kraka-chan
June 13th, 2006, 12:47 AM
You: Go Charmander (LV5)!
Bug Catcher Earl: Go Caterpie (52)!

Agent9: Precisely. It'd make the game too hard.
That's really unrealistic. I think a trainer should have Pokemon near or just over their twenties by time you get the second badge. I would like to level up my Pokemon quickly, but I wouldn't want to fight super powerful Trainers when you're just starting your game, that's really silly.

What about the Trainers on the Sevvi Islands? By time I got to them first time, their Pokemon were hard to beat.

Nuke
June 14th, 2006, 10:24 AM
The pokemon and Trainers you see Should go up about 5-7 levels after each badge.
That would make it quite harder.

aragornbird
June 14th, 2006, 01:08 PM
I hope they'll do another match call type thing in Diamond/Pearl 'cuz
well I like the pokenav and all but I wanna be able to fight the trainers
that I want when I was which u can basically do every 100 steps with the
match call thing in FireRed/LeafGreen.
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It’s called the VS Seeker, not the Match Call. The VS Seeker is awesome though. You can actually have trainers get their Pokemon stronger and evolve. Too bad there is a limit to how high their levels can reach and not every trainer in the game actually levels their Pokemon up.

I totally agree with enyce though. Even in their secret base, Team Magma/Aqua still had LV. 30+ Poochyenas and Zubats when they should have evolved a long time ago. And the 8th gym has a Luvdisc, the worst Water type in the game. That's just hilarious.

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enyce
June 14th, 2006, 04:22 PM
^^^Whoa Whoa, I wouldnt call luvdis the worst water type.

Magikarp is

Kraka-chan
June 15th, 2006, 05:57 AM
I totally agree with enyce though. Even in their secret base, Team Magma/Aqua still had LV. 30+ Poochyenas and Zubats when they should have evolved a long time ago. And the 8th gym has a Luvdisc, the worst Water type in the game. That's just hilarious.
Yeah. The only things that an average Team Aqua/Magma Grunt lack are variety in their Pokemon (just Poochyena and Zubat) no wonder they get trounced all the time. At least FR/LG Team Rocket has a bit of variety (Ratata, Zubat, Drowzee,Machop, etc).

And what's wrong with Luvdisc?

shanecdavis
June 15th, 2006, 06:23 AM
Other than being the worst Water-type in the game? Not much. Bag on Magikarp all you want, but at least it evolves into one of the best Water-types in the game. What does Luvdisc evolve into? A big pile of smoldering doodoo.

Consider the fact that its base stats are a COMBINED 328. Yes that is all 6 base stats added together. The next closest crappy Water-type is Corsola at 380. Yes, Luvdisc is all cutesy, but it belongs in the PC where it won't get hurt.

enyce
June 15th, 2006, 08:48 AM
Other than being the worst Water-type in the game? Not much. Bag on Magikarp all you want, but at least it evolves into one of the best Water-types in the game. What does Luvdisc evolve into? A big pile of smoldering doodoo.

Consider the fact that its base stats are a COMBINED 328. Yes that is all 6 base stats added together. The next closest crappy Water-type is Corsola at 380. Yes, Luvdisc is all cutesy, but it belongs in the PC where it won't get hurt.
One thunderbolt=bye bye Gyarados

Red1530
June 15th, 2006, 09:03 AM
The ingame trainers are weak. Also the wild pokemon are also weak. I think they should increase trainer level and team diveresty. The levels of wild pokemon should be increased as well.

Kraka-chan
June 15th, 2006, 09:19 AM
The ingame trainers are weak. Also the wild pokemon are also weak. I think they should increase trainer level and team diveresty. The levels of wild pokemon should be increased as well.
Nooo, not the wild Pokemon! (I got a tad overexcited.) I have a rule when it come to leveling up Pokemon, they are stronger when caught and Leveled up from the lowest level possible (say when your first Starter Pokemon, it begins at Level 5). If you compare a Leveled up Pokemon to a freshly caught Pokemon of a similar Level, you'll notice the difference. If you don't believe me, try it and see.

And as for Magikarp, I understand that it evolves into a powerful Water Pokemon. The same goes for Feebas (Milotic is cool).

enyce
June 15th, 2006, 10:16 AM
Nooo, not the wild Pokemon! (I got a tad overexcited.) I have a rule when it come to leveling up Pokemon, they are stronger when caught and Leveled up from the lowest level possible (say when your first Starter Pokemon, it begins at Level 5). If you compare a Leveled up Pokemon to a freshly caught Pokemon of a similar Level, you'll notice the difference. If you don't believe me, try it and see.

And as for Magikarp, I understand that it evolves into a powerful Water Pokemon. The same goes for Feebas (Milotic is cool).

Shes right, try catch a wild dragonair. In the safari zone, then a wild Dratini. If you level up dratini to dragonite. Then the same with Dragonair.

Who will be stronger??? The Dratini

zethias
June 18th, 2006, 06:45 PM
It's all too true, and even after you battle with the poke'mon league, there's not much good training that can be done with the weak pokemon they give you to fight...but I think they do this mostly to keep trainers from being able to catch extremely high level pokemon everywhere they go. There wouldn't be much point in the game if you couldn't train the pokemon yourself from a lower level. And if they did that, there'd be less training to accomplish with all the new strong pokemon your meeting. It would be nice if they could raise the levels of the pokemon league though, it's pretty bad when you don't have to put effort in to fighting them considering they're supposed to be the toughest challenge in the game....

Rioku_Zanketa
June 18th, 2006, 07:07 PM
to me,unless I find a way to place I'm not supposed to go yet,...all computer trainers are weak to me.....I'm pretty good at dividing the Exp. withh all poke'mon in the party,....so I get used to weak trainers....well,only sometimes,when I have to fight continuasly ["SOMETIMES"] (meaning due to rushing and type dis-advantage)do trainers ever pose a threat to me...

shanecdavis
June 19th, 2006, 06:37 AM
One thunderbolt=bye bye Gyarados
Yep, just like 95% of all Water-types. Not sure what your point is there.

Nooo, not the wild Pokemon! (I got a tad overexcited.) I have a rule when it come to leveling up Pokemon, they are stronger when caught and Leveled up from the lowest level possible (say when your first Starter Pokemon, it begins at Level 5). If you compare a Leveled up Pokemon to a freshly caught Pokemon of a similar Level, you'll notice the difference. If you don't believe me, try it and see.

And as for Magikarp, I understand that it evolves into a powerful Water Pokemon. The same goes for Feebas (Milotic is cool).
Trained Pokes being stronger than wild Pokes occurs because when you catch a wild Poke at Lv30 it has no EV points, while the Pokes you train from Lv5 have earned them from every battle. That said, once you catch that wild Lv30 Poke and you EV train it properly, it will be just as strong as the Poke you spent training from Lv5. The only factor you cannot control, unless you are breeding, is what the IVs (Individual Values) will be. Those are randomly added to every Poke in the game.

BTW - While Magikarp and Feebas evolve into powerful Pokes, Luvdisc does not. It stays the crappiest of them all.

Kraka-chan
June 19th, 2006, 07:50 AM
Trained Pokes being stronger than wild Pokes occurs because when you catch a wild Poke at Lv30 it has no EV points, while the Pokes you train from Lv5 have earned them from every battle. That said, once you catch that wild Lv30 Poke and you EV train it properly, it will be just as strong as the Poke you spent training from Lv5. The only factor you cannot control, unless you are breeding, is what the IVs (Individual Values) will be. Those are randomly added to every Poke in the game.
So that's how it's done.
I think the CPU Trainers Pokemon must have been programmed with bad IVs (Sorry if I'm stating the obvious, besides, CPU Trainers wouldn't have EVs).

And please leave Luvdisc alone. It has suffered enough.

enyce
June 19th, 2006, 11:11 AM
Yep, just like 95% of all Water-types. Not sure what your point is there.


My point is, Gyarados is part water part flying...Meaning Thunderbolt does 4 times the damage instead of two...Most evolved water types are decent. That you might have to up it to a thunder..

Flamman
June 19th, 2006, 12:28 PM
if you ask me, the elite 4 are a laugh, i totally DESTROYED them with only one pkmn, being a lvl 68 flygon, and 6 max pots and the 3 glass flutes. the rematches with trainers should be more powerfull too, and in my oppinion Wally should get a bigger role after elite 4, in stead of being in that stupid cave 24-7, poor, fragile astmatic guy in a cold molded cave, but back to the topic:

the first gym with lvls around 10, and a few more than 2, and more than 1 double gym battle, more 2vs2 battles in the entire game, i like them^^ testing my combo's

higher lvls=more exp=faster leveling=more powerfull pokemon=means more room for higher differences between gyms, so raise lvls of the basic trainers, gyms and elites

enyce
June 19th, 2006, 12:52 PM
I hate 2 vs. 2 battles....

They rob experience of pokemon because they devide between. They suck when you are trying to raise one pokemon. Death to the 2 on 2 battles. If I want experience to be deivded I woulda got the EXP share. Death to 2 on 2...

shanecdavis
June 19th, 2006, 01:12 PM
2v2 battles are made for using Exp Share, if you know how to do it. First you start with a strong Poke and your Poke holding Exp Share. Then you switch that Poke out for a different one and then your Exp Share Pokes earns 75% of all the Exp points earned from those two opposing Pokes, while your other two Pokes share the remaining 25%. Hopefully, you were able to follow that.

Jorah
June 19th, 2006, 01:17 PM
So the E4 in R/S/E are just as weak as the one's in G/S/C? In FR/LG it was cool because I still struggled to win with my level 50's and now that they've powered up Lance's and the Champion's pokemon are in their level 70's. I've just managed to beat the levelled up one's with level 65's, but even then, it was only by chance that I had a critical hit against the level 70 Alakazam. Just a teeeny bit of difference from those level 50 R/S/E E4. I think its obvious who would win out of the Kanto and Hoenn E4...Still, the Kanto E4 are kind of easy to beat.

Keruri
June 19th, 2006, 04:09 PM
Ack. I totally agree with this. I ws just thinking this the other day, replaying my crystal in the elite four. I mean, you dont even fight any lvl 50+ pokemon until lance! The rest of the E4 is all down in loooow 40s. It's just too easy. But i'll tell you why. The company is aware a lot of the customers are young kids, like 5 and 6, and they dont want to make it too hard for them. They forget about the dedicated older fans that were here from the start. So they make things nice and easy to make more money. Like the help system in firered leafgreen. You don't need that to learn the game; we all survived just fine in RBY. (and i hate how the thing comes up every time the L&R buttons get accidentally tapped xD) But your right.

zethias
June 19th, 2006, 06:52 PM
Ack. I totally agree with this. I ws just thinking this the other day, replaying my crystal in the elite four. I mean, you dont even fight any lvl 50+ pokemon until lance! The rest of the E4 is all down in loooow 40s. It's just too easy. But i'll tell you why. The company is aware a lot of the customers are young kids, like 5 and 6, and they dont want to make it too hard for them. They forget about the dedicated older fans that were here from the start. So they make things nice and easy to make more money. Like the help system in firered leafgreen. You don't need that to learn the game; we all survived just fine in RBY. (and i hate how the thing comes up every time the L&R buttons get accidentally tapped xD) But your right. I'd have to disagree with the help system, my father really could have used it when he got bored and started to play the game(original blue version)...xD...that was weird...luckily my brothers and I were there to help him out and show him all the cheats on the game, I do agree with the level thing though, I need bigger butt to kick please...><

zethias
June 19th, 2006, 06:54 PM
I hate 2 vs. 2 battles....

They rob experience of pokemon because they devide between. They suck when you are trying to raise one pokemon. Death to the 2 on 2 battles. If I want experience to be deivded I woulda got the EXP share. Death to 2 on 2... You could always fight both the pokemon with only one...xD...or you could avoid the 2 on 2 battles...

HoundoomOfTheDarkness
June 19th, 2006, 06:56 PM
Heh, wimpy loser trainer CPU guys. *Shoots them all.* Now, can we get someone talented in here? Seriously, after 2 badges, all stuff gets kinda... meh. I WANT TO LOSE!!! Wait, that didn't come out right. But seriously, why does everything suck so much? And BTW, Luvdisc's stats excluding speed DO suck, but it's good for preparation. Luvdisc was INVENTED for the sole purpose of being annoying. And using Sweet Kiss before it dies.

jakestlm
June 19th, 2006, 07:37 PM
I just had a glorious idea! All members of a gym leader's team must be the same type, but the second type may vary. Rather than focusing on the common type, leaders could possibly focus on other attacks still matching the pokemon's type.

Example:

Ground Type Gym

Leader's Pokemon

Numel - Fire
Geodude - Rock
Swinub - Ice

Of course, that, as stated above, would be too hard for some players.

enyce
June 19th, 2006, 07:42 PM
I just had a glorious idea! All members of a gym leader's team must be the same type, but the second type may vary. Rather than focusing on the common type, leaders could possibly focus on other attacks still matching the pokemon's type.

Example:

Ground Type Gym

Leader's Pokemon

Numel - Fire
Geodude - Rock
Swinub - Ice

Of course, that, as stated above, would be too hard for some players.


If a geodude swinub and numel are too hard for people. You should really throw away your gameboy and freakin kill yourself. My god

Ninja Monkey
June 19th, 2006, 07:46 PM
If a geodude swinub and numel are too hard for people. You should really throw away your gameboy and freakin kill yourself. My god
Surf, then surf again, then just beat on swinub with physical.

jakestlm
June 19th, 2006, 07:54 PM
I'm not saying that I would have trouble, and besides, with that choice of pokemon, this would obviously be very early on in the game.

Flamman
June 20th, 2006, 12:30 PM
yes, i understand, but i still think that they should raise the levels of all pkmn. i have finished the main story on the game, and i didn't lose 1 single time!

in the good old days(rby/gsc) i used to lose every once in a while!

Demonta
June 21st, 2006, 06:11 AM
Yeah!, one very very annoying thing is how by the sevii islands, trainers have things like lvl 50 geodudes! Evolve them for god sake!

sunny99
June 21st, 2006, 07:54 PM
i know and some of the trainers r just so weak, i finnaly see a guy with a golem and i'm like thank u, but u see, HE ONLY HAS ONE, the dude is blown away by my dragonite.

the only time i thought it was cool was when i faced the elite 4 the second time in FR