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enyce
June 12th, 2006, 06:09 PM
( I am not dissing them, this is something on my mind, thats all)

Mightyena=Houndoom

Plusle and Minun=Pikachu

Swellow=Pidgeot

Tailow=Pidgey

Banette=Gengar

Ralts-Kirlia-Gardevior=Abra family

Bagon-Shelgon-Salamance= Dratini family

Skitty=meowth (cat emblem???)

Delcatty=persian (anova cat emblem???)

~Alakazam~
June 12th, 2006, 06:28 PM
Oh, by all means I agree with this. A lot of the Hoenn monsters are nearly the same as the Kanto ones, but with different art styles.

You have to remember that Hoenn is a different region far away, so the pokemon are similar, but not the same as in Kanto and Johto.

enyce
June 12th, 2006, 06:34 PM
Oh, by all means I agree with this. A lot of the Hoenn monsters are nearly the same as the Kanto ones, but with different art styles.

You have to remember that Hoenn is a different region far away, so the pokemon are similar, but not the same as in Kanto and Johto.

I know that. But it was the pokemon creators who made them. Not some dudes in a TV. "Hey we are in a TV lets create a new region and new pokemon" It didnt work like that. Game freak or who ever made them. But into being a lot of refreshed pokemon.

When Johto was introduced almost if not all the pokemon were fresh. But Hoenn,is like a recycled country.

~Alakazam~
June 12th, 2006, 06:37 PM
You're right. I stayed off those games completely until ROMhacking this year. They're just not the same. Although the one pokemon that beat the Kanto look-alike was the spheal line vs. the seel line.

Natsuki
June 12th, 2006, 06:44 PM
That's pretty interesting, I must admit. Maybe they're just "rip-offs", but maybe they are like "evolved" forms of the Kanto Pokemon (not evolved in the Pokemon way, but they literally evolved as in the scientific way XD). It could be something like Pangea, when all the continents were once connected to one another. Maybe all the Pokemon were once derived from one single species and sort of branched off from there.

Well...now that I'm done geeking out on ya'll...I do think that the people who design the characters could get a little more creative. XD; There's plenty of animals out there that haven't been used to modify Pokemon yet, so they could always do something like a zebra or a leopard or...something like that. XD

~Kelsey

Ai
June 12th, 2006, 06:45 PM
Yep I agree much. In fact, that was what me and my bro first said when we saw swellow and plusle and minun. "It looks like a pikachu O_o" "It's a stupid version of pidgeot!"
what about wurmple and caterpie? feebas and magikarp? corphish and krabby. Honestly, those guys are running out of ideas. most of the hoen pokemon look... strange..

enyce
June 12th, 2006, 06:57 PM
I didnt think about corpish and krabby until. I thought, kingler was like craudnawt.

Beautifly is like Butterfree, Dustox is like the Beedrill because of Bug/Poison...

Seedot-Nuzleaf-Shiftry are also the oddish Family ripoff

Then Lotad-Lombre-Ludicolo...are Bellsprout family ripoffs.

Well both first stage pokes evolve with a leaf stone. Oddish and Gloom were like the Gloomy darkish grass types. While Bellsprout and Wepinbell were the light. What you think Seedots and Loatds families are???

Milotic is just a prettier Gyarados. Feebas and Magikarp are both zeros who evolve into heroes. (good looks on a Feebas refrence AI)

Ai
June 12th, 2006, 08:26 PM
Well... i guess you could also think of male and female variations.... Gyarados is male, miliotic is female. alakazam male, gardevoir female etc..

Ice demon
June 12th, 2006, 11:39 PM
Well... i guess you could also think of male and female variations.... Gyarados is male, miliotic is female. alakazam male, gardevoir female etc..

I can already sense the wrath of all those female gyarados.

The main beef i have with nintendo is plusle and minun.
I really hate the both of them.They're such blatant ripoffs.

enyce
June 13th, 2006, 09:06 AM
Well... i guess you could also think of male and female variations.... Gyarados is male, miliotic is female. alakazam male, gardevoir female etc..

But all those pokemon come in male and female

Kraka-chan
June 13th, 2006, 10:41 AM
When Johto was introduced almost if not all the pokemon were fresh. But Hoenn,is like a recycled country.
Not only does Hoenn have the samish country but also the Devon Corp (Rustboro) is a take on Silph Corp (Saffron).
<screams> They might even recycle the Jhoto Pokemon next!

Edit: Oh yeah, and you forgot Poochyena (Houndour).

Hayate
June 13th, 2006, 10:55 AM
Don't forgot about the legendaries. Articuno = Regice, Zapdos = Raikou Moltres = Entei

blanX
June 13th, 2006, 11:20 AM
Don't forgot about the legendaries. Articuno = Regice, Zapdos = Raikou Moltres = Entei

(not to be mean or anything but instead of regice shouldn't it be suicune?)

anyways.,
that being true.. but at least they made it different. like mew, mewtwo, articuno, zapdos, and moltres being ubers in stead of just 2 psycs and fire ice and lightning they made it.. fire/flying, flying/psychic/water, fire, ice/water, and lightning. and they're not so much ripoffs, just based on the plot of the kanto pokes. it's the same case with the starters. a fire, water, and leaf. just different forms. however the plusle-minun is just too far. two seperate pokemon, no evolution. either the guys at gamefreak are running out of ideas or they were REALLY rushed.

enyce
June 13th, 2006, 11:39 AM
If daimond and peral have Evee ripoffs. I'll be off pokemon forever

Kraka-chan
June 14th, 2006, 07:57 AM
Hey, I've also come up with this.
Poochyena and Mightheyna come from Houndour and Houndoom (from thier Dark Element) which come from Growlithe and Arcanine (from fire).
If I find any more, I'll let you know.

Gyardosamped
June 14th, 2006, 09:04 AM
I agree with you. I think they made it like this so they can continue the series.. or maybe they could not think about the new pokemon too much...

Gokey Shuckle
June 14th, 2006, 10:10 AM
If daimond and peral have Evee ripoffs. I'll be off pokemon forever

Heaven forbid Eevee should get another evo. -.-

How exactly are they ripoffs?

Pidgey = Pigeon
Taillow = Swallow
NOT THE SAME

Bagon = Dinosaur thing
Dratini = Long snake-like thing
NOT THE SAME

Along with all the others.

How is Seedot = Oddish whe both are in the same game? A ripoff isn't a ripoff if they appear in the same game. Same goes for Plusle/Minun & Pikachu. The pattern in the beginning of the game is 1 bird, 1 mammal, and 2 bugs.

R/B/Y
Mammal - Rattata
Bird - Pidgey
Bug - Weedle/Caterpie

G/S/C
Mammal - Sentret
Bird - Hoothoot
Bug - Ledyba/Spinarak

R/S/E
Mammal - Zigzagoon/Poochyena
Bird - Swellow/Wingull
Bugs - Wurmple (Silcoon, Cascoon)

And how is Gengar a ripoff of Banette? Just because they are ghosts? Might as well say that Dusclops is a ripoff of Misdreavus.

The point is, none of the Pokemon are ripoffs, they are just following a common pattern. Beautifly wasn't meant to replace Butterfree. If it was, the Fire Red/Leaf Green wouldn't have been invented. You could trade Butterfree and have Beautifly on the same team. Hey wait! Quagsire and Whiscash are both Water/Ground. They must be ripoffs too.

A ripoff in a more general term would be something like that game called "Spectrobes." Similar premise, different monsters, but basically, they are trying to ripoff a Pokemon Game.

None of the Pokemon are ripoffs. NONE. Why aren't Krabby and Crawdaunt ripoffs? Because one is a crab and one is a crawfish. Remember, It's just a pattern, not a ripoff. They have different stats, different appearances, and different types. Also, they have different species.

Kraka-chan
June 14th, 2006, 11:47 PM
Okay, they aren't rip-offs, but there are some Pokemon that are similar.
Here's more:
Beautitifly/Butterfree and Dustox/Venomoth (you may think Beedrill, but it definately reminds me more of Venomoth).
I like Beautifly, but my sister is a big Butterfree fan, and also I find it cuter. Awww...

Jorah
June 15th, 2006, 12:10 PM
Yeah, Dustox is a lot more like Venomoth than Beedrill.

Anyway, even if they're not rip-offs, you have to admit they are uncannilly similar to earlier pokemon. The game makers can easily change the stats of a new, similar pokemon from an old one and say, because of its different stats, its a whole different pokemon.

Blaze Dragon
June 15th, 2006, 12:30 PM
Yeah, they look very much like Kanto Pokemon. Out of ideas?

enyce
June 15th, 2006, 12:47 PM
Banette does rip off Gengar...They posess people. Gengar did it first.

Gengar was the first ghost to posess people.

Gokey Shuckle
June 15th, 2006, 03:27 PM
Considering the fact that it would make sense for ghosts to posess people, I don't see that as much of a rip-off.