A Nice Little Note for All of PC to Read... (Long Post)

[Frostweaver]

First of all, just because i'm starting a new thread, that doesn't mean I'm coming back to PC to post everyday... Just that I can't stand to see PC in such a mess according to the views of others through Instant Messages. There are so many things to address to PC that it's not even funny. I heard many people's opinion through IM, but didn't hear any of them doing anything about them. So I might as well be the evil man (and the rebel) and risk a ban that i don't really care about.

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Firstly, the staff members have an important role to play in PC. They act as role models for PC members to follow. They maintain orders within PC, and improve PC so that PC will be even better. Some mods are more casual, some mods are "mod-bots." That doesn't matter as that's their modding style. However, the problem is...

The first staff on my hist list: Alyssa/Haruka/whatever stupid name you have now, here's something for you-

As a mod and a devoted member who has been on PC for a long time, please for once stick with the rules that you created with your staff members... It's just so sick and tiring of you to constantly change your names. Last time it's decided how no one will change name unless you're starting a new account. So why don't YOU follow that as well? Arcanine tried to point that out to you last time, but that thick skull of yours dodged it. Well face fact... you keep complaining how some members need to act with a lot more respect towards mods. Guess what... you don't gain respect through status. You earn it through your actions. And following the rules maybe one good starting point for you? Same for any other mods who are constantly changing names too.

Another good start for you is to stop saying irrelevant posts that is pretty much summed up to "yeah s/he is right oh dear my post count +1!" Like how last time you quoted SA's annoucement and pretty much said "yeah listen to him"... well duh? Please... just to be straight to the point but blunt: act up now or be crushed. You finally earned that mod spot you so wanted, so let's do a good job of keeping it. *ALL* the other mods and even some members tried to warn you before, but after 2 weeks you forget everything they say. I dont' care what you do on your own vb board, but PC is PC, and it's not your place.

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For Shining Arcanine:

Last time i checked, the main admin is Kwesi. And that means: PC is just not yours. Are you the one who paid for this board? Nope... So should the whole board listen to your opinions and your way how it is run? Nope... Enough with closing topics just because it's not with your opinion, or threatening to leave just to get rid of Roms Section. Your opinion i have no right to say if it's right or wrong, nor if i must force you to change your opinion. But please don't use mod powers to your advantage in arguements. I've already addressed this problem once secretly before to other Smods/Praetor, but this time since I'm being the rebel anyway, let's bring it up again as a reminder in response to the rom section debate that Kwesi put an end to (hurray for him!)

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For all of the other mods:

How can a group act in the well-being of the whole community if there's more disputes than agreements within all of you? I hear a certain Smod calling another mod "dumb", and resulted in almost 2 staff members leaving PC on the same day. That is rather hot tempered? It's always hard to control your temper, but this is online and therefore it's a lot easier to control yourself. If you see something not right, go outside take a walk and a drink of cold water, then come back and reflect on it, and then finally post on it. Should there be any disputes between you and some other member, settle it privately in PM arguements, or Instant Messages. That is true for each and every other members too.

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For the gameboy section/game mods:

"Where do you catch Feebas? Help!"
"Shiny Pokemon discussion"

There must be at least 40+ threads about those 2 topics... The Feebas topic is already posted in FAQ section, with a constant Shiny ______ discussion out there... yet there are still the other 38 copies floating around... that can do some work. Plus for all the game section participants fo PC, PLEASE USE THE SIMPLE QUESTION THREAD ALREADY! "Where is (this item)", "Where to catch (this Pokemon)" all goes in that one thread together... I believe the mods made that thread sticky for a reason... Gameboy section attracts the most newcomers which is a good thing. At the same time, it attracts the most members who didn't read the rules as well... Put stuff in the right topic and do not repeat the same Feebas/Eon Pokemon/Wynaut question twice a month. I just checked and voila! Another Feebas question right at the top! Ahem...?

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Regarding Pokemon Trivia and Games/Pokeland, and Post Counts:

So before I got on today... I was chatting with some PC members. And when I mentioned Pokeland, the response was "What's that?"

Obviously Post Count doing its trick again... Pokeland is the subforum within Other Chat that has no post counts. For all the older members in PC, we all remember the "the one above" and alike threads. They were extremely popular back then, earning up to perhaps even 100 post a day within that thread alone in the past. Now...? Emm... 5 post max a day?

There is that post count discussion within OC... yes i know about it. There are both pros and cons regarding it too. But let's be consistent... If part of PC has no post count, then the no post count section will be forgotton. You must admit that there will be *some people* who post to get higher post counts. So let's be fair to all threads and either have no post count throughout entire PC, or post count throughout all of PC. If Pokeland has no Post Count because "they're just games... lacking quality post," then how does Trivia/Pokemon Game section not "games" and has more "quality" than Pokeland, deserving to have "post counts?"

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A Message to Everyone:

Firstly, being a mod may be something very fun to you, being able to serve the community and so on. But please... it's not as fun as it seems (according to Lightning in an old post), and once you become mod, be serious about it. Let's not just "I want to be mod!", hope to get modded, and then after 1 week when the fresh feelings of being a mod faded, you quit... though fortunately this didn't happen yet, it's still a good thing to remind ourselves "why do I want to be a mod" when some people scream out to be mod. And to be certain: some mods now don't really deserve the mod spot, while some members now should be mod (or a mod now should deserve something of higher position). Mods will look for you if you're someone worthy of being a mod. Drop the brushups to mods with special MOTM cases by seperating praetor away from the smod category for example, just so certain Smods can get more votes. "PC Politics" should not exist in PC. We're all here to have fun.

One more "am I a veteran" thread made, and I'll hunt the thread creator down like a blood thirsty dog... And whoever said "Do I have enough post counts to be veteran" will be killed. You don't earn status with a number first of all as you earn it through your posts and actions. And on top of that, *screw status.* Just because someone is here for a long time, you don't have superior power over others, and for relatively new members to PC, you shouldn't be afraid of members with high post counts too. A spammer can spam to get post count to make his "number" high, and a good devoted member can also get the same amount of post count posting essays after essays. We're all evil human beings who have done something wrong before, and we're all equal. Mods do accept opinions from members, and members should also listen to advices from mods. In the end, we're all equal (basic belief in democracy?)

Role Play is certainly something very fun to do at times. You can have unimaginable fun with it. However, let's not "modify" a thread to be pure role play away from the original intent of the topic. If you want to role play, feel free to do so, but remember to contribute at least a bit at the end of your post. This is very disturbing how many threads get off track and become pure role play. Contribute to the topic a little hey? Oh, and "yes i agree" is not contributing but just repeating what someone says. Say "why" or "why not."

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The above is the collected opinions of many people who may not want to speak out about it, or if they don't really care if it's done or not. (And also most of it is my opinion as well). Thanks for reading through an entire essay.

And now, ban/flame away.

[Haruki Hanai]

Frostweaver, you know very well we don't like flaming. Your posts have been of superior quality lately, please, STOP wrecking your own repuation. Please...

I have to say though, it's a long and qualitative post, please, just don't let it be your last. If you are emotionally affected, just... tell us...

By the way you are right about the Game Boy games. People won't stop, I have to find topics that fit into it. I am trying hard, I swear.

Please, I can't bear a qualitative member leaving just in a flick. Behaving like this may be unacceptable, but at least tell the forum leaders. Doing what you are doing now is not the way people like you should behave. Just stop.

Yes, I must admit that there is a mess going on sometimes at the community. But you can't come and talk on the views of others. Your view is most important.

[Imakuni?]

this needs to be closed S-K.

[tmbjr]

Satoshi-Kun can't close it...only OC mods, S-mods, and praetors can. But I'd rather keep this open.

A Message to Everyone:

Firstly, being a mod may be something very fun to you, being able to serve the community and so on. But please... it's not as fun as it seems (according to Lightning in an old post), and once you become mod, be serious about it. Let's not just "I want to be mod!", hope to get modded, and then after 1 week when the fresh feelings of being a mod faded, you quit... though fortunately this didn't happen yet, it's still a good thing to remind ourselves "why do I want to be a mod" when some people scream out to be mod. And to be certain: some mods now don't really deserve the mod spot, while some members now should be mod (or a mod now should deserve something of higher position). Mods will look for you if you're someone worthy of being a mod. Drop the brushups to mods with special MOTM cases by seperating praetor away from the smod category for example, just so certain Smods can get more votes. "PC Politics" should not exist in PC. We're all here to have fun.I totally agree to that whole thing about some moderators not deservng thier position while others deserve higher positions...but there's nothing I can do about it...except maybe bring it up with Kwesi/Steve

[Sakura and Espeon]

Yes, flaming against us isn't nice... but I already know about my name changing problem already. Just DON'T ruin your rep because of this.

This behavor is unacceptible and it violates rules and leaders/staff may not like it. Doing this would think new members that you are misbehaving or showing a bad rolemodel of yourself, so please stop.

btw: I'm really upset now because of this....

[Frostweaver]

Frostweaver, you know very well we don't like flaming. Your posts have been of superior quality lately, please, STOP wrecking your own repuation. Please...

I have to say though, it's a long and qualitative post, please, just don't let it be your last. If you are emotionally affected, just... tell us...

By the way you are right about the Game Boy games. People won't stop, I have to find topics that fit into it. I am trying hard, I swear.

Please, I can't bear a qualitative member leaving just in a flick. Behaving like this may be unacceptable, but at least tell the forum leaders. Doing what you are doing now is not the way people like you should behave. Just stop.

Yes, I must admit that there is a mess going on sometimes at the community. But you can't come and talk on the views of others. Your view is most important.
My reputation? Pfft?
If it takes me to be Cas #2, so be it.

"Qualitative member?" =/ As if saying that, the others have no quality? *sigh and points to the above* And "people like me"? So I'm expected more or less out of other members now? Oh please drop this...

I am completely insane at the moment like always, but not some "emotional outburst or anything." 3 weeks ago I'm not sane, but now I'm more sane than 3 weeks ago.

I said my view is added on top of those who don't want to say the same stuff out loud due to afraid of possible consequences. It's not like people never tried to work these stuff without flames, but just that no one cared and so on. There are many other members who tried to carry the point across, but then they are IMMEDIATLEY ignored by the people who posted right after them. If a good friendly approach doesn't work, let's try a hard wake up call.

[Arcanine]

frosty you will not be banned (be sure of that).
Everything you said up there is 100% right (well I never called DT dumb, I know members said I did but I never did. but that's not the point).
It's about time that some one woke up and told the truth about this. Thank you.
I know this thread will make you look bad to some members but to me but it's true (even if I can see members flaming in here).
And you are right on the Mod job. It is not fun and some times not pretty (if spamers come we got our work cut out for us). And I can count a hand full of Mods that don't need to be Mods.
And I don't see why this thread needs to be closed. He is just stating his view his opinions on all this. We do it all the time. We don't go as far as flaming (some do) but we do it. And do we get our threads closed? No. Most of the Staff will not like this thread but I for one do, since it states the truth. Like it or not it does, Alyssa always changing her name, Mods thats never on, Fun Time's post counts, everything.

Again Thank you frosty.

[Haruki Hanai]

You just CAN'T do that frosty! It's not right for you to be like her, or follow her lead. Just stop it, please. Some people didn't like it when she left, let alone get banned.

You are one of the intelligent. And you should stay that way, not letting yourself blow the direction of those who get banned!

[Haruki Hanai]

Excuse me for my double post.
frosty I have always known you as a unique member. You have been a great person, always the type who deserved mod position but never got it because of your own choices and I realised you could well be the type who could make differences here. I alone wouldn't be able to handle moderator position alone. I'm sure you'd make a great place, although you chose not to.

Don't make my opinion change.

And like Andy said, truth be told, you are 99% right (dumb thing is the problem). It's about time someone did a thread like this, but not good if many choose to follow the lead. You will not be banned.

Mistake EDIT: And like Andy said, truth be told, you are 90% right (Arcanine calling DT dumb is the error, and also Alyssa owning a vBulletin - in fact she's actually using my license and vBulletin software). It's about time someone did a thread like this, but not good if many choose to follow the lead. You will not be banned.

[Sakura and Espeon]

Well, the point is... >_<.. This username is the last of the 12 anoying name changes in the past, for sure... atleast.

About the Pokemon Land issue. That forum is formed to decitate the fun times at PC without worring about the worthless post number, but less people post there now since posts don't count anymore. Post counts do not count. I don't spend my time at PC raising my postcount to 4000, 6000, etc. I'm here to have fun socializing. The point of the forum is to have fun without worring about the post counts.

Moderator Job secound of all is not fun. You have to do work sometimes, like dealing with SPAM, closing troublesome topics, warning other people about the rules. Modding is not fun and games and you have to follow the rules and not to break any. You do realize that, right?

In conclusion, this topic does tells us what happen and the truth. ^_^

Thank you.

[Shadow]

Well, the point is... >_<.. This username is the last of the 12 anoying name changes in the past, for sure... atleast.
I thought you said you were proud of them? Oh wait you also said it was 14 changes, not 12... And I seriously doubt this is the last...

About the Pokemon Land issue. That forum is formed to decitate the fun times at PC without worring about the worthless post number, but less people post there now since posts don't count anymore. Post counts do not count. I don't spend my time at PC raising my postcount to 4000, 6000, etc. I'm here to have fun socializing. The point of the forum is to have fun without worring about the post counts.

It is worthless, but soem people like it and it does seem to be enough people to draw attention away from there....

In conclusion, this topic does tells us what happen and the truth. ^_^

Thank you.
I beleive Arcanine just said it does, and I agree and I bet you don't really mean "Thank you"...

I agree with Arcanine, this should prove to be a constructive thread if people keep flames out of it...

[Frostweaver]

Excuse me for my double post.
frosty I have always known you as a unique member. You have been a great person, always the type who deserved mod position but never got it because of your own choices and I realised you could well be the type who could make differences here. I alone wouldn't be able to handle moderator position alone. I'm sure you'd make a great place, although you chose not to.

Don't make my opinion change.I'm sorry... but tell me when have I ever send a PM to you/talk with you on IM or PC...? If you call that as known, then I'm afraid you have mistaken me for someone else. And please spare me of the torture of a mod...

If I'm so "intelligent" then I should keep my stand stronger. I've double checked all of my MSN logs briefly to see if I did state anything "wrong", or anything that I didn't believe in. But hey now i'm so sure i'm darn right. Look at Alyssa's post above in this thread, and you see her copying exactly what the person above has said just again (without any additional comments except for "leave this thread open"). Even in this very thread there are live examples of what i pointed out. Obviously, even a "flame" is not reaching out to some people... *sigh*

EDIT: and once again she does the same thing of paraphrasing people in her 2nd post in this thread. And yes i'm ill-mannered and misbehaving, but simply I don't know what other type of "manners" should I act up in order to reach out to her.

I really cannot and do not and will not and should not care about my life or death or useless reputation that i don't even care about IRL on PC. I left PC long ago. If it isn't seeing hard working moderators getting crap in return for their hard work, unworthy people getting credits, and friends in ultimate frustration regarding the problems with PC, I won't even waste my 1 hour posting this (and would use the time to study physics.) And if this has to ruin whatever image of me, then so be it. But dont' drag anyone who agrees with me into your hatred, and let this affect me alone.

PS: I didn't read the DT/Arcanine thread myself. I only listen to stories from just 3~4 people regarding what happened in the last 3 weeks in PC. Sorry for the errors.

[Haruki Hanai]

Oh Shadow just stop going against her like that, you could at least put yourself on the matter at hand.

[DragonTrainer]

Heh, nice frosty, nice. I completely agree with all that you said, I've been expecting for you to tell us what needed to be said. Heck, I don't look down on you now, in fact, I look up to you since all of this stuff.

Alyssa, yes, also another thing: Don't whine any more on how you don't get good places to mod or whatever, at least you have a place to mod.

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Haruki Hanai]

Frosty, I know you through posts. That's all I have to say. You are a great member in your own fashion, sometimes putting evidence against something, etcetera.

It's often best not to listen to sources, but to look at the problems alone.

[Sakura and Espeon]

Well, I'm greatful that I had my position, and I don't complain "Why did I get MCG?" >_<..

[Latios Master]

Well, frostweaver, your post was a bit rude, but you also bring up some good points.

Like with the GameBoy section, I really hate it when members make all these threads that ask a little question like "Where can I catch this Pokemon" or "Where is this item". Those have been very annoying and I wished they would stop. Can't they read the threads that are stickied?

Also, I am glad that Pokeland doesn't add on posts because many posts could have one little sentence. I think every post should be at least 3 sentences long. These are just games and it is too easy to spam and raise your post count. The other game forum should be the same way.

Also, I think that all the mods should try to be more like model members. Some things have been totally wrong, like DT's talk about not being a good mod or his talk about leaving. I also thought Andy's (Arcanine) attitude was bad when DT wanted to leave and so he did too, like what he said in his signature about a "stupid mod" and an "ex-admin", like he was talking about. No one should be called names.

These are some of the reasons why I thought you would make a good mod, frostweaver. You have been able to find the problems with PC so well.

Well, these are my opinions. Sorry if that was flaming...

[Shining Arcanine]

And now, ban/flame away.

I'm glad you are being so reasonable as, in 2 ways, you just asked me to ban you, which I'm going to do for a week. *Waves good bye and closes*

[Kairi]

How about not? No one else seems to mind this.

[Arcanine]

I don't think so. I see no point in locking this thread. Yes it might be flaming but back when we was flaming Sean how many pages was out of that thread? What 5, 6, 7? That is one thread. Why should frosty's thread be any different?
*Opened*
*UnBanned*
[Edit] Abby beat me to it.

[Shining Arcanine]

The difference is I'm offended, Haruka is offended, and he asked me to ban him.

However, I trust your judgement and was having 2nd thoughts so, besides stating why I banned him and closed the thread, I'm not going to argue.

[Sakura and Espeon]

It's the "How tall were you" thread btw, andy. ^_^

[oni flygon]

You know, I seem to partially agree with Frostweaver...
I mean, he is right about a few things. Though I don't like to point out mod's names, I do agree with a few of his opinions. Not to agree with some of your opinions, Frostweaver, but you too might want to know what PokeCommunity is. Do you want something that is so strict, we don't know who are we talking to? So strict, our signatures won't even have a banner so big as mine? A community so disgustingly puritanical, we won't see Iveechan's good art anymore. We won't be able to voice our opinions, show our personality and our own identity such as Teara's z's for s's. Jordan's RP style posting and maybe my own thoughts of a couple that nobody ever thought would be.

What do you define PC as? A buisness company? Look, my life is harsh. PokeCommunity is the only thing the comforts me. The mods are friendly and don't seem to bother me. Haruka/Alyssa can change her name for all I care. As long as they do their job and be good members, that's fine with me. Role model my specialshipping banner but I would still support the mods. I don't want PC to turn into that one site... (coughsuperstrictcough)

anyways, Mgandang Umaga! ^_^

(no-da)

I bet this will get ignored anyways... O_O

[Haruki Hanai]

frosty, think of this as, there are members around this community who care for you. We all respect the members we have, and have people to try to reinforce it. They all have different ways.

[tmbjr]

I guess those last couple of posts are a good example of the arguments mods have that Frosty mentioned...some want to close this and ban Frosty, others want to allow this to stay open and let him stay...

I'm getting interested in this thread. I might just watch every post anticipatingly.

[EDIT] why is all the posts here in bold text? I try to turn it off in my posts and it won't work...

[Haruki Hanai]

Everyone tries to set their arguments and put them down. They aren't flames, therefore nothing much will go against having this thread open.

[Arcanine]

It's the "How tall were you" thread btw, andy. ^_^
Well I know but what about all the threads Sean flamed in? Can you count them all? I'm not even going to start counting them. And I'm not going to even start with the Sean thing (I don't want a relap of Friday).

[oni flygon]

Aye, I see my long post get buried by controversies of keeping the thread open... XD

[Shadow]

I guess those last couple of posts are a good example of the arguments mods have that Frosty mentioned...some want to close this and ban Frosty, others want to allow this to stay open and let him stay...

I'm getting interested in this thread. I might just watch every post anticipatingly.

[EDIT] why is all the posts here in bold text? I try to turn it off in my posts and it won't work...
I completely agree. I stay neutral on the arguements to avoid them (well except for the Sean one, and that's becasue he flamed me previously...). I keep my opinions on the inside to avoid mod confrontations and to remain unbiased.

And I see no bold text O.o

[Teara]

I, as an everyday member have noticed that mods seem to argue alot more then any regular member. And if a member is argueing, it's usually with a mod...interesting. I really have no problem with any of the mods, I just think things should change and tempers should be quelled.

I don't want to sound flamish, and I didn't even intent to post here in the first place but Shining Arcanine, you closed this just because you were offended...just you? I mean yes Alyssa was also upset by it but I think this thread should have been made along time ago. Certain people need to hear this and this is a good place for them to work it out.

[tmbjr]

I completely agree. I stay neutral on the arguements to avoid them (well except for the Sean one, and that's becasue he flamed me previously...). I keep my opinions on the inside to avoid mod confrontations and to remain unbiased.

And I see no bold text O.ohmm...if you see no bold text, it may just be my computer acting up again...*kicks computer* XD

I saw your post Oni Flygon and completely agree with it ^^
BTW, were you referring to SPPF at the end "(coughsuperstrictcough)"?

[oni flygon]

...psst.. Only Omega and I think it's so strict since all of the threads we go to (especially Purin) get closed just because our sigs link to our site (and we, Pokespecial fans, like to correct him, a "poser", a lot)

[Frostweaver]

Aye, I see my long post get buried by controversies of keeping the thread open... XD
no I read the post, and I know what you're talking about. I guess I wasn't being clear earlier... let me try an example perhaps regarding role playing. None of the following is real and is crappy because i'm just not a role palyer

topic: how old are you?

Person A: I'm 80 yrs old XD Yeah i'm old
Person B: Lol *sends (person A) to the hospital in case of heart attack*
Person A: *flushs (person B) down the toilet*
Person B: *reincarnates as a ghost and haunts person A)

the above: pure role play which is fine but is now off topic by a lot shot...

topic: how old are you?

Person A: I'm 80 yrs old XD Yeah I'm old
Person B: Lol *sends (person A) to the hospital in case of heart attack*
(but seriously 80 isn't that old yet)

the above: perfect... i don't mind role playing, but just have something that stays on topic somewhere in the post. ^_^

As the name changing stuff... If name changing isn't a problem, why is that rule made in the first place? There must be a problem with name changing if that rule (which is the newest out of all PC rule) is made, so let's enforce it like all the other rules.

[oni flygon]

lol... I see that as role playing but I don't see that in some threads except stuff like... role play threads... XD

[tmbjr]

no I read the post, and I know what you're talking about. I guess I wasn't being clear earlier... let me try an example perhaps regarding role playing. None of the following is real and is crappy because i'm just not a role palyer

topic: how old are you?

Person A: I'm 80 yrs old XD Yeah i'm old
Person B: Lol *sends (person A) to the hospital in case of heart attack*
Person A: *flushs (person B) down the toilet*
Person B: *reincarnates as a ghost and haunts person A)

the above: pure role play which is fine but is now off topic by a lot shot...

topic: how old are you?

Person A: I'm 80 yrs old XD Yeah I'm old
Person B: Lol *sends (person A) to the hospital in case of heart attack*
(but seriously 80 isn't that old yet)

the above: perfect... i don't mind role playing, but just have something that stays on topic somewhere in the post. ^_^

As the name changing stuff... If name changing isn't a problem, why is that rule made in the first place? There must be a problem with name changing if that rule (which is the newest out of all PC rule) is made, so let's enforce it like all the other rules.
I se that alot in DCC...not so much lately, but a while back. Whenever I try to RP in a regular thread my post is usually like the latter example. I feel naked if my post doesn't contribute to the topic at hand.

[Haruki Hanai]

We have different name changings.

Account changing is allowed, but not name changing.

Account changing - basically changing your name, and any associated powers. It is allowed.
Name changing - Only admins can do this and aren't allowed to. It actually is changing their name by editing their profile.

[Shining Arcanine]

I, as an everyday member have noticed that mods seem to argue alot more then any regular member. And if a member is argueing, it's usually with a mod...interesting. I really have no problem with any of the mods, I just think things should change and tempers should be quelled.

I don't want to sound flamish, and I didn't even intent to post here in the first place but Shining Arcanine, you closed this just because you were offended...just you? I mean yes Alyssa was also upset by it but I think this thread should have been made along time ago. Certain people need to hear this and this is a good place for them to work it out.

I don't have to explain my reasons for closing this and know that this will be seen as wavering (2 times) on my part but I will anyway. I didn't want the thread to become a flame fest after I banned frostweaver for offending Haruka, offending myself and asking to be banned.

Edit: By the way, people are entitled to their opinions (even if they can get them in trouble) and arguing would not change anything besides how angry the people arguing are therefore I refuse to argue with frostweaver.

[Flaming Torchic]

We have different name changings.

Account changing is allowed, but not name changing.

Account changing - basically changing your name, and any associated powers. It is allowed.
Name changing - Only admins can do this and aren't allowed to. It actually is changing their name by editing their profile.

Then how come your name was changed but you didn't need to make another account? If you're allowed a name change, then surely Alyssa should be able to, to spare her from making 12 different accounts.

Anyways, I am glad that you made this Frosty, you have said things that have been bothering me for a while, although it may be because I come from a forum where things are handled differently and people have different personalities. As for your comments about SA and Alyssa? Well, I am sure you'll understand why I am not going to say a thing, not like I have any big problems with them anways.

[Frostweaver]

I believe that the point of the stop to name changing is because of the extreme amount of requests from people changing their names, involving work.

"Account changing" is doing the same amount of work involving whoever capable of doing this pressing the probably same amount of buttons to shift the powers back and forth. So... doesnt' that really defeat the purpose of the rule to begin with?

[Haruki Hanai]

My account was merged. I didn't have a direct name change. I made a new account and all my details were merged. into it

[Dizzy]

First of all, just because i'm starting a new thread, that doesn't mean I'm coming back to PC to post everyday... Just that I can't stand to see PC in such a mess according to the views of others through Instant Messages. There are so many things to address to PC that it's not even funny. I heard many people's opinion through IM, but didn't hear any of them doing anything about them. So I might as well be the evil man (and the rebel) and risk a ban that i don't really care about.

~~~

Firstly, the staff members have an important role to play in PC. They act as role models for PC members to follow. They maintain orders within PC, and improve PC so that PC will be even better. Some mods are more casual, some mods are "mod-bots." That doesn't matter as that's their modding style. However, the problem is...

The first staff on my hist list: Alyssa/Haruka/whatever stupid name you have now, here's something for you-

As a mod and a devoted member who has been on PC for a long time, please for once stick with the rules that you created with your staff members... It's just so sick and tiring of you to constantly change your names. Last time it's decided how no one will change name unless you're starting a new account. So why don't YOU follow that as well? Arcanine tried to point that out to you last time, but that thick skull of yours dodged it. Well face fact... you keep complaining how some members need to act with a lot more respect towards mods. Guess what... you don't gain respect through status. You earn it through your actions. And following the rules maybe one good starting point for you? Same for any other mods who are constantly changing names too.

Another good start for you is to stop saying irrelevant posts that is pretty much summed up to "yeah s/he is right oh dear my post count +1!" Like how last time you quoted SA's annoucement and pretty much said "yeah listen to him"... well duh? Please... just to be straight to the point but blunt: act up now or be crushed. You finally earned that mod spot you so wanted, so let's do a good job of keeping it. *ALL* the other mods and even some members tried to warn you before, but after 2 weeks you forget everything they say. I dont' care what you do on your own vb board, but PC is PC, and it's not your place.

~~~

For Shining Arcanine:

Last time i checked, the main admin is Kwesi. And that means: PC is just not yours. Are you the one who paid for this board? Nope... So should the whole board listen to your opinions and your way how it is run? Nope... Enough with closing topics just because it's not with your opinion, or threatening to leave just to get rid of Roms Section. Your opinion i have no right to say if it's right or wrong, nor if i must force you to change your opinion. But please don't use mod powers to your advantage in arguements. I've already addressed this problem once secretly before to other Smods/Praetor, but this time since I'm being the rebel anyway, let's bring it up again as a reminder in response to the rom section debate that Kwesi put an end to (hurray for him!)

~~~

For all of the other mods:

How can a group act in the well-being of the whole community if there's more disputes than agreements within all of you? I hear a certain Smod calling another mod "dumb", and resulted in almost 2 staff members leaving PC on the same day. That is rather hot tempered? It's always hard to control your temper, but this is online and therefore it's a lot easier to control yourself. If you see something not right, go outside take a walk and a drink of cold water, then come back and reflect on it, and then finally post on it. Should there be any disputes between you and some other member, settle it privately in PM arguements, or Instant Messages. That is true for each and every other members too.

~~~

For the gameboy section/game mods:

"Where do you catch Feebas? Help!"
"Shiny Pokemon discussion"

There must be at least 40+ threads about those 2 topics... The Feebas topic is already posted in FAQ section, with a constant Shiny ______ discussion out there... yet there are still the other 38 copies floating around... that can do some work. Plus for all the game section participants fo PC, PLEASE USE THE SIMPLE QUESTION THREAD ALREADY! "Where is (this item)", "Where to catch (this Pokemon)" all goes in that one thread together... I believe the mods made that thread sticky for a reason... Gameboy section attracts the most newcomers which is a good thing. At the same time, it attracts the most members who didn't read the rules as well... Put stuff in the right topic and do not repeat the same Feebas/Eon Pokemon/Wynaut question twice a month. I just checked and voila! Another Feebas question right at the top! Ahem...?

~~~

Regarding Pokemon Trivia and Games/Pokeland, and Post Counts:

So before I got on today... I was chatting with some PC members. And when I mentioned Pokeland, the response was "What's that?"

Obviously Post Count doing its trick again... Pokeland is the subforum within Other Chat that has no post counts. For all the older members in PC, we all remember the "the one above" and alike threads. They were extremely popular back then, earning up to perhaps even 100 post a day within that thread alone in the past. Now...? Emm... 5 post max a day?

There is that post count discussion within OC... yes i know about it. There are both pros and cons regarding it too. But let's be consistent... If part of PC has no post count, then the no post count section will be forgotton. You must admit that there will be *some people* who post to get higher post counts. So let's be fair to all threads and either have no post count throughout entire PC, or post count throughout all of PC. If Pokeland has no Post Count because "they're just games... lacking quality post," then how does Trivia/Pokemon Game section not "games" and has more "quality" than Pokeland, deserving to have "post counts?"

~~~

A Message to Everyone:

Firstly, being a mod may be something very fun to you, being able to serve the community and so on. But please... it's not as fun as it seems (according to Lightning in an old post), and once you become mod, be serious about it. Let's not just "I want to be mod!", hope to get modded, and then after 1 week when the fresh feelings of being a mod faded, you quit... though fortunately this didn't happen yet, it's still a good thing to remind ourselves "why do I want to be a mod" when some people scream out to be mod. And to be certain: some mods now don't really deserve the mod spot, while some members now should be mod (or a mod now should deserve something of higher position). Mods will look for you if you're someone worthy of being a mod. Drop the brushups to mods with special MOTM cases by seperating praetor away from the smod category for example, just so certain Smods can get more votes. "PC Politics" should not exist in PC. We're all here to have fun.

One more "am I a veteran" thread made, and I'll hunt the thread creator down like a blood thirsty dog... And whoever said "Do I have enough post counts to be veteran" will be killed. You don't earn status with a number first of all as you earn it through your posts and actions. And on top of that, *screw status.* Just because someone is here for a long time, you don't have superior power over others, and for relatively new members to PC, you shouldn't be afraid of members with high post counts too. A spammer can spam to get post count to make his "number" high, and a good devoted member can also get the same amount of post count posting essays after essays. We're all evil human beings who have done something wrong before, and we're all equal. Mods do accept opinions from members, and members should also listen to advices from mods. In the end, we're all equal (basic belief in democracy?)

Role Play is certainly something very fun to do at times. You can have unimaginable fun with it. However, let's not "modify" a thread to be pure role play away from the original intent of the topic. If you want to role play, feel free to do so, but remember to contribute at least a bit at the end of your post. This is very disturbing how many threads get off track and become pure role play. Contribute to the topic a little hey? Oh, and "yes i agree" is not contributing but just repeating what someone says. Say "why" or "why not."

~~~

The above is the collected opinions of many people who may not want to speak out about it, or if they don't really care if it's done or not. (And also most of it is my opinion as well). Thanks for reading through an entire essay.

And now, ban/flame away.

Thank you so much frostweaver :) Thanks to you, I have the courage to speak again :) I do have things to say, and everyone will hear it.

[Arcanine]

Well I think why the Admins don't like to change member names is that get mixed up and stuff. But think about it is the Admins on that much (Kwesi started to come back but not the time to change members names)?

[latiosspud]

I'm glad you are being so reasonable as, in 2 ways, you just asked me to ban you, which I'm going to do for a week. *Waves good bye and closes*
Right there! You just closed this thread because it was against your opinion. I'm not siding with anyone but I just had to say that out loud.

[Teara]

I don't have to explain my reasons for closing this and know that this will be seen as wavering (2 times) on my part but I will anyway. I didn't want the thread to become a flame fest after I banned frostweaver for offending Haruka, offending myself and asking to be banned.

But surely you must have noticed that people have been having problems lately and they need to work them out. If this hadn't been made the thing on everyone's mind would never be put out into the open to be fixed. Whether we like it or not, there is a problem and this is a perfect way to make everyone aware of it. It was bound to happen sooner or later, and why not sooner?

[Shining Arcanine]

Right there! You just closed this thread because it was against your opinion. I'm not siding with anyone but I just had to say that out loud.

Some people don't read everything... Please read my post after that.

[latiosspud]

Some people don't read everything... Please read my post after that.
I actually read that before my last post but you actually banned him for a second or two. In real life, if you kill someone and then realize your mistake it's too late. It is because of people like you that people are too scared to speak out. In real life, most people who spoke up never got credited until years after he/she died but not this time, not this time.

[oni flygon]

I actually read that before my last post but you actually banned him for a second or two. In real life, if you kill someone and then realize your mistake it's too late. It is because of people like you that people are too scared to speak out. In real life, most people who spoke up never got credited until years after he/she died but not this time, not this time.

latiosspud does point out an interesting fact. I see SA as someone who wants to rule a forum with an iron fist. Absoutely something I loathe..

[Shining Arcanine]

I actually read that before my last post but you actually banned him for a second or two. In real life, if you kill someone and then realize your mistake it's too late. It is because of people like you that people are too scared to speak out. In real life, most people who spoke up never got credited until years after he/she died but not this time, not this time.

You take things too seriously (comparing this to life offline, it is a message board, things that change the board stay on the board, they are not these revoluntionary things that change the world). I banned him because he asked me to, which normally wouldn't be a reason to ban someone but considering that he asked a 2nd time by telling me that I had no authority and insulting Haruka, it was. I closed the thread to prevent further flames and I now regret yielding to Arcanine and Kairi.

[latiosspud]

latiosspud does point out an interesting fact. I see SA as someone who wants to rule a forum with an iron fist. Absoutely something I loathe..
Frostweaver pointed out btw...all I did was resaid it added what I thought about. I'm not trying to take sides though although frosty does seem to have good points. :P


EDIT: You banned him because he asked you? Common sense please...

[oni flygon]

Frostweaver pointed out btw...all I did was resaid it added what I thought about. I'm not trying to take sides though although frosty does seem to have good points. :P

Forgot about that.. maybe I was busy pointing out PC's good points rather than its negative ones...

[Shining Arcanine]

Frostweaver pointed out btw...all I did was resaid it added what I thought about. I'm not trying to take sides though although frosty does seem to have good points. :P


EDIT: You banned him because he asked you? Common sense please...

I banned him for a variety of reasons and you continue to think that there must be 1 and only 1 reason.

On another topic, I am at a point in my life where I cannot take this stress, therefore I've resigned. This is the last post I intend to make here, goodbye.

[Dizzy]

You know Mr. Shining Arcanine, you can't tell people what they think.

[tmbjr]

I banned him for a variety of reasons and you continue to think that there must be 1 and only 1 reason.

On another topic, I am at a point in my life where I cannot take this stress, therefore I've resigned. This is the last post I intend to make here, goodbye.like I said in your other topic, you will be missed as you are the only S-mod from my initial joining that is still around. It will be hard to find a mod among our current group that can be promoted and fill your shoes.

now if you'll excuse me, i have a pizza to eat. mmm....italian sausage ^^

[Frostweaver]

Now... I don't mean to drive you to life's end Shining Arcanine... yes I did intend to offend you and Alyssa and a few others, but it's because it's not like I never tried the "peaceful" methods before... if the other smods remember, I did send a PM to all of them regarding "power abuses" and Shining Arcanine. Nothing happened and i thought he improved for the better, but then after i left due to personal issues, the rom forum thing came along and...

As for Alyssa, it's 3 TIMES now. Once i accompanied Dakota to speak to her on IM. Another time it's with Dizzy and Latiosspud (tried to be mean in that one). Another time is by myself after she gets modded. Perhaps there are even more? Over 4 months of time of trying to warn her privately, every method has failed so just have to tell it to the public, and perhaps if she sees that there are others besides me who agrees, she'll change?

This thread isn't intended to be attention stealing and hope to find heroes to defend my ban or not. I'm thankful how some mods do not mind a (certainly) flame but still a truthful approach. But like i said, argue elsewhere in PMs or IM... this thread is about PC, not my ban.

Thanks for the support for some people who agreed with me... but let's not be "let's paraphrase the above oh boy post count +1!" Add to the discussion with what you think, why a person is right and so on. Don't just start with "oh i agree/disagree with so and so." Back yourself up with reasons, like oni_flygon.

[Koroku]

Hmmm, it didn't really seem all that flamish to me. Just seemed to be a flat out "welcome to reality" post, and letting others know your opinion.

Not many people are willing to do this sort of thing, it was actually rather brave... bringing up quite a few issues that do need to be addressed.

And I completely agree with Alyssa's name changing... -.-

[^^NICK^^ v.2.0]

This post is so true. I totally agree about the S-mods acting like admins **wont say names**. And the MOD thing is true also. It's not very fun, unless you're someone like Kairi **go Kairi!**, and it's better IMO to be a regular member, so you can actually have fun. That's why I quit my MODding job, because I wasn't doing a good job.

[^^NICK^^ v.2.0]

I'm glad you are being so reasonable as, in 2 ways, you just asked me to ban you, which I'm going to do for a week. *Waves good bye and closes*
Your little unique ways to ban people are so stupid. I'm so glad you left. Frosty was right when he said you abuse your power. You take matters into your own hands, and probably don't consult your decisions with your fellow staff members. You are probably a control freak and hog the remote control!!

**CALMS DOWN**

[bna_li]

Now... I don't mean to drive you to life's end Shining Arcanine... yes I did intend to offend you and Alyssa and a few others, but it's because it's not like I never tried the "peaceful" methods before... if the other smods remember, I did send a PM to all of them regarding "power abuses" and Shining Arcanine. Nothing happened and i thought he improved for the better, but then after i left due to personal issues, the rom forum thing came along and...

As for Alyssa, it's 3 TIMES now. Once i accompanied Dakota to speak to her on IM. Another time it's with Dizzy and Latiosspud (tried to be mean in that one). Another time is by myself after she gets modded. Perhaps there are even more? Over 4 months of time of trying to warn her privately, every method has failed so just have to tell it to the public, and perhaps if she sees that there are others besides me who agrees, she'll change?

This thread isn't intended to be attention stealing and hope to find heroes to defend my ban or not. I'm thankful how some mods do not mind a (certainly) flame but still a truthful approach. But like i said, argue elsewhere in PMs or IM... this thread is about PC, not my ban.

Thanks for the support for some people who agreed with me... but let's not be "let's paraphrase the above oh boy post count +1!" Add to the discussion with what you think, why a person is right and so on. Don't just start with "oh i agree/disagree with so and so." Back yourself up with reasons, like oni_flygon.
I have never realize all of this until Frostweaver pointed it out. I know that people like Shining Arcanine will come back. They come back, argue alot, say they're sorry and hope that everyone will forget. If he sees this, he probably will flame me, ban me or something like that. But I dont care. I hope someone still has values or morals.

[Haruki Hanai]

frostweaver I do not recall a time when I haven't used at all eny evidence or fit into any example of what you said before. I have looked through my slight debate history, and they have always been with relatively long posts.

[The Evil One]

Hmm...it's like the Michael Moore book of PC.

I'm not gonna take part in this. I just wanted to point out the above...point thingy.

[Hikaru's Twin]

Well, let me just say that i do agree with everything that frostweaver says here. He comes across with a valid point of view, even if it is a flame intent.
However i'm not going to expand on anything that's been covered in this topic regarding what frostweaver said because i don't feel the need to, a lot of points which i would have wanted to mention have already been talked about. On another note though, there have been two cases of double posting in this thread. Isn't that one of the basic rules of PC, not to double post. Now, i'm definitely not trying to have a go at anyone here but it makes me curious as to why people just didn't edit their posts instead, and putting that with what frostweaver said in his first post; it just makes me wonder...

[Pokemaster10000]

*sigh* So many members leaving....
Aww man, is this really what happens when I leave PC for a day? :P
It just makes me wonder how it will be like one day....
Frosty is right about a lot of things though.

[^^NICK^^ v.2.0]

Sorry for double posting. I didn't know how to edit with a quote. Didn't think it would hurt anyone.

[tmbjr]

I have never realize all of this until Frostweaver pointed it out. I know that people like Shining Arcanine will come back. They come back, argue alot, say they're sorry and hope that everyone will forget. If he sees this, he probably will flame me, ban me or something like that. But I dont care. I hope someone still has values or morals.
well, you do know that SA retired from his s-mod post...it was just a few posts above yours. You wil not be banned by SA XD

[Hikaru's Twin]

Sorry for double posting. I didn't know how to edit with a quote. Didn't think it would hurt anyone.

I was just merely commenting, Nick, from my knowledge no one mentioned being hurt....

[Dizzy]

Devotion and Dedication to the Mod Job comes with a Price. Personally, Kairi would fit into all the categories if you were to name her a good mod, but she's more than just a Forum tool, she's a friend, a human being as well as a mentor. We could all learn a few things from Kairi, and even though she may not say things, she gives Hints.. Big Hints.

Hey frostweaver I remember that Day on Msn with Alyssa, and Latiosspud, our plan was so organized but it ended up working in a different way. :) Oh the Joy of Teenage years.

[Frostweaver]

Devotion and Dedication to the Mod Job comes with a Price. Personally, Kairi would fit into all the categories if you were to name her a good mod, but she's more than just a Forum tool, she's a friend, a human being as well as a mentor. We could all learn a few things from Kairi, and even though she may not say things, she gives Hints.. Big Hints.

Hey frostweaver I remember that Day on Msn with Alyssa, and Latiosspud, our plan was so organized but it ended up working in a different way. :) Oh the Joy of Teenage years.
I know we were on such a good path until Latiosspud can't stand it anymore and open fired away... ^^;;

Actually if you don't know how to have multiple quotes, can always do this the long way. Make 2 posts like what you did now. Edit your 2nd/3rd/4th/xth post, copy the stuff inside, and delete that post. Edit your first post, and post the stuff back in. That's the way you can do it if you don't know those vb codes that i'm trying to learn (eugh so confusing though...).

I personally don't know SA myself at all to comment if he'll simply return or not. But what I must mention is that he almost left to try to remove the Pokemon game hacking forum (but in that one he never left because Kwesi came up in time to stay "Hacking Forum stays and period."). Don't know about this one.

[latiosspud]

I know we were on such a good path until Latiosspud can't stand it anymore and open fired away... ^^;;

Oh come on, if I hadn't opened fired she would have left and leave us dumbfounded. I totally saved the embarassment come on give me credit already. :P

[Rukario]

Why are we even fighting? SOME constructive criticism never hurts but taking things to extremes only gets people mad and causes more trouble then it's worth.

Now lets all take our critiques and use them to better PC. PC is here for you the users, not for us staffers. We want (and encourage) your ideas and suggestions- good or bad.

Mods: take these (and other complaints/comments) as hints, and do an even better job!

I dunno..

(*And when a staffer does something it's for good reason --> other staffers: if you want to chage it, PM the first staff member first.*)

[Haruki Hanai]

Steve has proved a good point. Criticism, whether good or bad, is what we read. We should be giving a tick to what we know we've been doing wrong, or to fix things. But the staff members do know what bad or good things to fix in mind, and also they CAN include the banning of extremely rude members.

I speak with what I can say for myself, but also speak not as a moderator, but a member.

As not to say I don't need this position, but to say that one like a moderator hasn't lost his or her ability to talk freely about the problems that come. You can still discuss any problems.

[^^NICK^^ v.2.0]

I was just merely commenting, Nick, from my knowledge no one mentioned being hurt....

LOL, i was joking. Well, I bet SA will be back by this weekend.

[Frostweaver]

Why are we even fighting? SOME constructive criticism never hurts but taking things to extremes only gets people mad and causes more trouble then it's worth.

Now lets all take our critiques and use them to better PC. PC is here for you the users, not for us staffers. We want (and encourage) your ideas and suggestions- good or bad.

Mods: take these (and other complaints/comments) as hints, and do an even better job!

I dunno..

(*And when a staffer does something it's for good reason --> other staffers: if you want to chage it, PM the first staff member first.*)Of course what you said is the right thing to do. But what would you say if some of the mods refuse to take in those comments...? As mentioned before, it's not like problems regarding SA and Alyssa/whoever never been addressed before. I know that at least I did try to address to them some problems. Perhaps there are others who did too. But oh no half a year and the same thing goes on and on and in same cases even worst... so hence, this.

This thread is not a piece of litmus paper for the flammability test for PC. This thread is for all of us to read, and all of us to try to improve ourselves on. I certainly do admit that I constantly talk in a certain way that excludes other members from participating (such as constant FF chat) in the same chat, and that's what i need to change so that other members (especially new members) can also participate. It's somethign for us to realize, and act upon it. In this very thread, there are still others who read it and says "yeah i agree... (commits some of the stuff listed in my main post earlier)" o.o;

Enough trashtalk that has been going on all these time. Let's get *something* done.

[22sa]

Frostweaver pointed out btw...all I did was resaid it added what I thought about. I'm not trying to take sides though although frosty does seem to have good points. :P


EDIT: You banned him because he asked you? Common sense please...
Bleh, poor SA. You know it did make sense, to me anyway. Usually if you insult a mod, you're asking to get banned. The places that I've been to anyway. I'm not denying the fact that most of us PC members want this thread open and not want frostweaver to be banned, however. Even if frostweaver was banned he'd find willing help from his friends like me to post his messages. Also about the nature of this thread, it is certainly different from other threads because it actually has a lot of points to it. Awaking. *I don't wish to further comment on this matter, anyway...

Since I haven't been present (sorry), I don't have much to comment about most of the ideas which frostweaver has been hmmm daring (mind you I can't think of the right word lol) enough to point out but I would like to say something about the Non-Post-Count zone of PC. I agree with frostweaver, all threads of new PC should be consistent with its Post Count system. All posts should count. To not count them is to devalue them. And Putting threads in that Fun time obviously means to wreck them.

[Iveechan]

Frosty, you turd, I was the one who's sopposed to be Cas2 ;)

Yes yes... I mod the art forum in tpm, and someone mentioned a new rule I added to be hypocritical... but I explained it and made a few tweaks. Working with members is nice, and is what modding is all about. Ok, partly about. I have little else to add other than "omigod, I agree!!!". Today, Oni Flygon and Frostweaver are added to my mental cool people list. I think it's rather poor modding when someone closes a thread where a problem erupts... it's better to solve the problem than to ignore it. Though I can understand the turds who spam on purpose...

[Kayleigh]

Well, I've noticed all of the problems that frostweaver was talking about...

Too many of the members now are just posting to get their post count higher. Like, if you've noticed, on that 'Do you have a crush on anyone at PC?' thread. I hate to point fingers, but it's true. Half of the posts there are just saying 'Who do you like?', '_____ STILL hasn't said their crush!', 'what? (stupid 25 char rule...)' etc. And the roleplaying. I admit, I used to do a lot of that in that thread too, but now it's just gotten out of hand. And they're taking it to almost every single other thread that they post in. I don't mean to sound rude, but if you want to do all of that silly just-for-fun roleplaying, we have a Role Playing forum just for that. Feel free to make a thread there; just don't turn every other thread into a one for role playing.

And all of the SPAM lately... I've noticed it. So many of the posts aren't quality. It's okay if you don't have perfect grammar skills, but the least you could do is make a point out of your post. Don't just say 'yeah i agree', 'lolololololololol yeah thats funny'. And I've seen several posts like that lately. Plus all of the double posting. People need to READ the rules before they even think about making a post. If they don't, then half the time they end up posting things like I said above. Unless of course they have experience in another forum, and know how to post. But still, our rules are different and need to be read.

Plus, I've also seen many of the Mods act so mean to each other. They can't seem to handle being mature anymore. They've even gone so far as to throw out personal insults to one another, instead of telling them what they're doing wrong. It's so crazy. All of you need to remember that we're not of member status anymore. In fact, if you were a regular member you would probably be banned because you're acting like a flamer. All of the current mods now are wonderful, and certainly deserve their position, but they just need to work on their attitudes. (And I'm not talking to every single mod about the flaming thing.) Let's just stop it. We're not setting a very good example to any of the members by cursing and saying insults to each other. Plus, most of you that have are friends. I've learned from the past. I've been in fights with several of my friends here, and almost lost some great ones. Ask FlamingTorchic and frostweaver. You don't want to risk all of that over just one thing, do you?

And sorry if I've said some things that have already been said by other members. I don't have enough time to read through the whole thread.

[Lucifer]

Har de har. Immature moderators make me chuckle. I don't consider their sort authority at all. Mods who resign for no apparent reason are even worse. If you can't take the heat simply watching over a few hundred posters on a message board, then I'd hate to see you handle similar roles in real life.

On the subject of insulting mods: it should be dealt with in the same way as showing insolence to a regular forum member would be (warning/formal warning - whatever). I don't recall ever being told that I had to show ++respect to every member of the moderating team. If they do/say something stupid then I see no reason why someone shouldn't point it out. Their status doesn't automatically earn them the right to speak down to you.

In that sense, Frostweaver, I applaud thee. :chinese:

[Kairi]

In the original set of rules, we had an “especially staff members” tacked on to the end of the respect everyone rule, which probably made it worse (Though I doubt anyone really reads the rules anyways) =\

The role-playing as he said only becomes a problem once someone replies to the action with a usually unrelated action. In the example, the topic should have continued on about age with no direct replies to the aforementioned roleplay, except maybe a “That’s funny *person name* XD” or something, if they’re posting in the topic anyways. People seem to skim the topic then answer its question (I.E. Hair color?). No real discussion ever goes on anymore, or really anyone sitting down and reading, then interacting with the topic. At least that’s how I feel, probably because I’m often guilty of it. (Not the roleplay, but the skimming thingie)

[100marios]

I honestly see nothing wrong with roleplaying. (I'm one of them after all!) As long as it's on-topic, (like Frostweaver and Kairi said) there shouldn't be a problem. It actually brightens up a post in a way! At least you get you use your imagination.

[Kayleigh]

Everyone here who is a good member deserves respect, no matter what their status is.

I do kind of skim through the pages sometimes also... I think a lot of people do. o_o; We all need to work on that.

And as long as the people will contribute something to the topic, adding in some extra roleplaying would be fine. Just don't turn a thread about what you eat into a thread about attacking other people virtually. XD

[DragonTrainer]

Lol, I agree with the no thinking part. Hardly any threads that we have anymore do a lot of thinking, most are just simple little threads, and not much thought goes into the whole thing =/

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[100marios]

Everyone here who is a good member deserves respect, no matter what their status is.

I do kind of skim through the pages sometimes also... I think a lot of people do. o_o; We all need to work on that.

And as long as the people will contribute something to the topic, adding in some extra roleplaying would be fine. Just don't turn a thread about what you eat into a thread about attacking other people virtually. XD
Hmm, I have to warn PM10000 hehe....
I try to stick to the topic, but one can't help but change the subject sometimes...
*sweatdrops*
We're all human anyway!

[Kayleigh]

Yeah. I love little fun simple threads asking you different questions, but it would be nice to have a little bit of discussion in them too, instead of 'I _______' etc. etc. etc. There are some other things to talk and comment about.

And yeah, it's okay Jordan. Probably everyone here has done it. I guess you just have to control yourself sometimes.

[DragonTrainer]

Don't get me wrong, those thread are cool and everything, just a lot of the time replies are like 8 or so, and in some places *coughMVPcough*, a lot of off-topic discussion goes around . Not really something I want to read -_-. I'm guilty of it, I use to do it a lot.

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Frostweaver]

Lol... name me 1 thread that's full of discussions, and it isn't even closed yet... the closest one is probably Passion of Christ in the entertainment section.

When PC can start a flame war out of a simple discussion talking about heigh, or out of "what's your favorite type of Pokemon" (both resulted in banning, one resulted in Sean's depromotion, with the other one started the infamous Iveechan returning thread), you know that PC got some serious issues regarding maturity. Because of these just what should have been simple discussions turning into flame wars, mods put a stop to a discussion more and more easily. In these situations, we really lose those good old discussions such as Dakota's monthly "creation vs religion" and alike. It'll be so nice if we get some serious discussions mixed with the more relaxing threads. A balance of both will be nice. However right now it's quite one sided...

[Pokemaster10000]

Hmm, I have to warn PM10000 hehe....
I try to stick to the topic, but one can't help but change the subject sometimes...
*sweatdrops*
We're all human anyway!

You just had to mention me eh? XD
*shoves Jordan around*
It was all your fault anyways. :P

To stick to the topic, I think what Frosty said about Pokeland partially isn't true.
Although I think I know whats the problem with the One Above.
I think it's the small quantity of members that post there. I thought about it...I mean wouldn't it be boring to describe a person that you already described more than twice? For example:
Person 1: ^is nice (or something like that)
Person 2: ^is a active poster
Person 1: ^Joined in December
Person 2: ^Birthdays in June
......then there'd be another person posting there once in a while.
It'll keep continuing until they repeat the same information again.
Really dull... :sleeping:

The other threads, they're doing fine except that there's a smaller amount of people posting there.

[DragonTrainer]

Yea, I admit, this place has a problem with maturity. I admit it as well, I am a bit immature at times. I wish we could get those old threads back, they were very good, I learned a lot of things from those threads ^^''. But I guess those threads are out of the question for the moment -_-

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Frostweaver]

You just had to mention me eh? XD
*shoves Jordan around*
It was all your fault anyways. :P

To stick to the topic, I think what Frosty said about Pokeland partially isn't true.
Although I think I know whats the problem with the One Above.
I think it's the small quantity of members that post there. I thought about it...I mean wouldn't it be boring to describe a person that you already described more than twice? For example:
Person 1: ^is nice (or something like that)
Person 2: ^is a active poster
Person 1: ^Joined in December
Person 2: ^Birthdays in June
......then there'd be another person posting there once in a while.
It'll keep continuing until they repeat the same information again.
Really dull... :sleeping:

The other threads, they're doing fine except that there's a smaller amount of people posting there.
During the old days there are 20 participants at least in the one above every day and it's quite fresh. Plus creativity is really fun back then =) But then everyone "left" the place after awhile... And it happens to be right when post count is gone from the one above. If only the reference is still here, you can check how often 22sa cries when he lost 1000 post cout becase the one above got deleted.

Plus... you yourself is acting quite hypocritical to what you say. If i remember, what's with the constant use of "E" in the pokemon trivia thread? Back then i tried to say "let's be a bit creative and do some other letters" but oh no you turn it back to "E" everytime because it's "fun." I don't know if this still happens now, but certainly happened before for 1 month at least. This constant repeat of "E" is like how "repetitive" is was in your the One Above example. Obviously... if both are so repetitive, how come one thread lives and the other dies? *hint hint?*

[Pokemaster10000]

Plus... you yourself is acting quite hypocritical to what you say. If i remember, what's with the constant use of "E" in the pokemon trivia thread? Back then i tried to say "let's be a bit creative and do some other letters" but oh no you turn it back to "E" everytime because it's "fun." I don't know if this still happens now, but certainly happened before for 1 month at least. This constant repeat of "E" is like how "repetitive" is was in your the One Above example. Obviously... if both are so repetitive, how come one thread lives and the other dies? *hint hint?*

Oh both are dying alright....
Go look back at that Section and see when was the last time I've ever posted on that Name game and moves game. If I did post on it, it would be something that was atleast 3 lines long.
(hint)I gave up on it a long time ago. :P
And about the e repeating problem I quited on that a long time ago. But some other member (I'm not saying who) started it again.

[DragonTrainer]

I'm glad I quit posting in that area, long ago too. It's like so pointless, well, at least to me anyways, it's like a repeating cycle with no point -_-. Ah, oh well, I have nothing against it, I don't hate it or anything, I just think it's a tad bland =/

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Frostweaver]

I'm glad I quit posting in that area, long ago too. It's like so pointless, well, at least to me anyways, it's like a repeating cycle with no point -_-. Ah, oh well, I have nothing against it, I don't hate it or anything, I just think it's a tad bland =/

~DragonTrainer:dragonite
Ahem... the game can be very meaningful if we pull up some hardly seen moves in there... I have to wonder how many times role play, icicle spear, snatch or barrage is used there... Using breeding moves are other good ways to make the game way less "boring and pointless."

And seems like the idea of "do not repeat whatever is said above you but instead add something to the conversation" seems to be something very difficult to do in PC... as plenty of people (who says that they agree with this problem existing) are just doing the exact same stuff as before... let's try our best to work on all of this, instead of saying "yeah i agree...".

[Flaming Torchic]

This is a thread that is meant to share our thoughts on what could make PC better, right? Well, I have an idea...

Why don't we try and get members to post more thoughtful posts by going around setting a good example? As you can tell from my recent posts I have been working on it, and I feel that if most people are up to making their posts more thoughtful, then eventually everyone will join in. You know kids, they get interesting in stuff that everyone is doing. =P

[DragonTrainer]

That would be very nice to do, a very good idea, but the problem is getting people to actually do it. Sure, some may do it for a few posts or so, but eventually they would get sick of it and quit altogether. What we need is people who will stick to what they say, and do a good job doing it =/

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Frostweaver]

This is a thread that is meant to share our thoughts on what could make PC better, right? Well, I have an idea...

Why don't we try and get members to post more thoughtful posts by going around setting a good example? As you can tell from my recent posts I have been working on it, and I feel that if most people are up to making their posts more thoughtful, then eventually everyone will join in. You know kids, they get interesting in stuff that everyone is doing. =P
... What else is this thread trying to say? Let people go "yeah" and then make a post like "lololololololololol!!!!!!!!!1111111oneoneone" or "yeah what he said obey the rules"? If you know what's wrong, then it *should* be automatic how people will try to improve on what's wrong.

[Flaming Torchic]

That would be very nice to do, a very good idea, but the problem is getting people to actually do it. Sure, some may do it for a few posts or so, but eventually they would get sick of it and quit altogether. What we need is people who will stick to what they say, and do a good job doing it =/

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

Well, it isn't that hard to do it really, it's just that some people just don't want to put in that much thought into their posts anyways, the way I see it, they only are hesitant of doing it because it takes too long to get another post added to their post count. But look at snowangel, she has a post count of 1,300 and all of her posts are very well thought out and exceptionally long. She's living proof that it isn't that hard to put thought into your posts.

[Dizzy]

... What else is this thread trying to say? Let people go "yeah" and then make a post like "lololololololololol!!!!!!!!!1111111oneoneone" or "yeah what he said obey the rules"? If you know what's wrong, then it *should* be automatic how people will try to improve on what's wrong.

HEY I DO THE !!!!!!!111111111ONEONEONE thing at the end of my really long posts! lol

Lots of people reply with one word in lots of my threads... you should check it out.

[DragonTrainer]

True, snowangel is one of the members who does incorporate a lot of thought into their posts, and makes a good job doing it as well. If only we had more members like her, the Community would get more mature, and maybe in time, we could get some of the more mature topics back on here ;)

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Sayuri no Hoshi]

True, snowangel is one of the members who does incorporate a lot of thought into their posts, and makes a good job doing it as well. If only we had more members like her, the Community would get more mature, and maybe in time, we could get some of the more mature topics back on here ;)

~DragonTrainer:dragonite
Excuse me, Mr. DragonTrainer! Why am I getting shafted on this subject? You do have more members like snowangel--me! I tend to write lengthy essays in my posts if it's a topic I can ramble on about forever and debate on. Kairi even said it about me in the One Word Describe thread. So...nyah! XD

[100marios]

Just because some posts may be silly, doesn't mean they can't be well thought out. Mature convesations aren't always the most exciting, so it's nice to kick back at times. You have to show some emotion!

[Dizzy]

Excuse me, Mr. DragonTrainer! Why am I getting shafted on this subject? You do have more members like snowangel--me! I tend to write lengthy essays in my posts if it's a topic I can ramble on about forever and debate on. Kairi even said it about me in the One Word Describe thread. So...nyah! XD

She's right you know, she cant do one post without writing an essay :). Your posts are so fun to read Sayuri No Hoshi ( May I call you by your real name?) Especially since you do them in the flashiest color on the board, LitePurple. You Rock!

[DragonTrainer]

Lol, sorry, I wasn't doing much thinking when I was putting it together. We have a lot of members like that: You, Andrew, Kayleigh, etc. I wasn't trying to hurt anyone's feelings, I was sort of playing off of the remark FT made earlier, sorry if I offended anybody ._.'''

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[Flaming Torchic]

Excuse me, Mr. DragonTrainer! Why am I getting shafted on this subject? You do have more members like snowangel--me! I tend to write lengthy essays in my posts if it's a topic I can ramble on about forever and debate on. Kairi even said it about me in the One Word Describe thread. So...nyah! XD

I apologise Sayuri, I don't really get into conversations with you, which is probably why I am unaware of all of your thoughtful posts. :p I didn't mean to give you the "chopped liver" routine, I just really didn't realize that you are another good example.

And 100marios, I agree that sometimes it is fun to kick back at time and just be able to relax, but it doesn't really hurt to be a little more detailed with your posts. You're a pretty good poster as well, but some members just put no effort into what they are thinking.

Hey, isn't DCC made to be able to bring up your own topics and start various topics? It is your choice if you agree with my idea or not, it's just that some members get a littly hyper.

[Sayuri no Hoshi]

She's right you know, she cant do one post without writing an essay :). Your posts are so fun to read Sayuri No Hoshi ( May I call you by your real name?) Especially since you do them in the flashiest color on the board, LitePurple. You Rock!
Why thank you, Dizzy! *pats him on the back* I'm glad to see somebody appreciates my essays...*glares at "certain" people* Yes, you can call me by my real name. I don't mind. Although, I may have trouble calling you Jordan. ^_^; Since the Dork Formerly Known As 100marios's name is Jordan, too, I don't know how we're gonna handle your name situation, lol. Eh, we'll figure out something! And thank you for your compliment on my flashy purple, DarkOrchid, font color! You rock my socks, too!

[EDIT]: No worries, DragonTrainer and FlamingTorchic! I always have to speak out, lol. Thanks for your concerns, though! ^_^

[DragonTrainer]

Well, I have already said sorry, what else do you want me to do? I never said that she was the only one now did I?
Ah, oh well, I hope you didn't take it harshly, I never meant to hurt anybody by saying that ._.''. But, everyone's hurt can in time hurt somebody, even if they aren't purposely doing it

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

[100marios]

I apologise Sayuri, I don't really get into conversations with you, which is probably why I am unaware of all of your thoughtful posts. :p I didn't mean to give you the "chopped liver" routine, I just really didn't realize that you are another good example.

And 100marios, I agree that sometimes it is fun to kick back at time and just be able to relax, but it doesn't really hurt to be a little more detailed with your posts. You're a pretty good poster as well, but some members just put no effort into what they are thinking.

Hey, isn't DCC made to be able to bring up your own topics and start various topics? It is your choice if you agree with my idea or not, it's just that some members get a littly hyper.
Exactly. I always make sure I'm contributing to the conversation before I start any of my nonsense. I really don't like it when people just post enough to pass the 25 character line. You have to make your posts long enough to be meaningful.

What did I do to disturb you now Chrystie?
Hehe..

[Dizzy]

Why thank you, Dizzy! *pats him on the back* I'm glad to see somebody appreciates my essays...*glares at "certain" people* Yes, you can call me by my real name. I don't mind. Although, I may have trouble calling you Jordan. ^_^; Since the Dork Formerly Known As 100marios's name is Jordan, too, I don't know how we're gonna handle your name situation, lol. Eh, we'll figure out something! And thank you for your compliment on my flashy purple, DarkOrchid, font color! You rock my socks, too!

[EDIT]: No worries, DragonTrainer and FlamingTorchic! I always have to speak out, lol. Thanks for your concerns, though! ^_^



I Love your Essays! I think DT is sick of me, I'm really outspoken.. but hey I like to talk.. *European Trait* Lol DarkOrchid aka Fashion Club Violetta :) lol YOU REALLY ROCK MY SOCKS!

[Lightning]

I really should be going to bed or practicing my lines for my Romeo and Juliet presentation tomorrow, but I can't help but reply to this topic. I've only been skimming the last few pages, but I have to applaud you, frostweaver, on your great sense of... well, common sense.

Since the first few points in your don't apply to me directly (I'm not trying to maintain any sort of ego, but I do try my best to keep an unbiased opinion toward topics and toward other members), I'm just going to skip right up to the other things addressed.

The only reason Pokemon Trivia & Games adds to your postcount where as Fun Time in Poke Land (although from now on in this post I will refer to it as Fun Time) does not is because at the time we began contemplating a forum for games played on the message board that were the miscellaneous equivalent to Pokemon T&G, we were also considering removing the postcount from Pokemon T&G. When Fun Time was added to the community, it went up without the postcount. However, we soon decided it was best not to fiddle with the posting attributes in Pokemon T&G because of the retribution we might have recieved from the many users with dramatically decreased postcounts as a result of turning off the postcount in such a big section. The only other solution, if I remember correctly, was the rather tedious job of moving all the topics out of the forum to the new one... or something along those lines. Although, to my understanding, one with the power to do so can mass move topics. The postcount should be removed, though, in my opinion.

The initial reasoning behind removing postcounts from either forum was because the posts there all seemed to be something to the extent of "P................(grr... 25 characters)" if one was playing Hangman, or something. The debate could go on about whether or not that is worthy of being called a post. Oddly enough, whilst typing this post, I was going through both Pokemon G&T and Fun Time searching for specific examples of the type of post I just gave, but I couldn't find any glaringly obvious ones in the biggest (and most popular?) topics. I searched very quickly, so possibly later I'll have the time to do it properly, but right then my opinion was wavered as people are making very decent posts from what I can tell. So I may have to come back and edit this part. So far, I can see that there will have to be changes made. The stereotypical posts I had imagined don't seem to be present in every thread. You have a very good point, frostweaver. There isn't really any reason why the posts in Fun Time shouldn't count whereas every other post in the forum should. I will try to dig a little deeper into this, though.

As for the next paragraph of your post, thank you for quoting me there, as I don't think enough people realise exactly what being a moderator is. It's not fun and games. It's a job without pay. Not only are you expected to be on a lot, but you also have to do - gasp - work. You have to be able to juggle your social life with your online life. I won't go into too much detail because I will find myself ranting, but I know I have gone through a feeling of inadequacy many times nearly to the point of resignation because of the stress this job can drop upon you. It's not just something you decide to do randomly... you have to be able to stick to it. And yes, I agree with frostweaver in saying that some mods don't necessarily deserve their position whereas many members should be made mods as they could definitely do the job well.

And quickly to say, as for the MOTM thing... I condensed all the staff member categories into one this month as I didn't see the need for seperate ones for moderators, super mods, and praetor/admins (or Praetor/Super Mods; whichever). I actually considered taking it out all together as I don't see why we could get our own status marker like that, but I figured there might be slight retaliation for doing such a thing, so I left it in. Besides, it's sort of a fun category regardless and it sort of shows who's active and who's doing a good job.

As for the veteran topics, I couldn't agree more. This may seem harsh, but quite frankly, I nor many other members really give a flip if you have been a member since June 2003, January 2002, November 2002, or even the Ikonboard before PC "graduated" to a vBulliten. We're all the same, it doesn't make you special. Little celebrations of "my 1 year anniversary!" are sort of okay if you sort of make a little timeline and say why you're happy you've been with the forums for a year, any changes you've noticed, etc. But there is no such thing as a "veteran" member, as many people who have been around since the beginning may not even have as many posts or even "quality posts" as someone who joined a month ago. So why should they get some sort of special status instead of others? I don't want to go too far into this, though. My thoughts on it should probably be apparent now already.

Let's just say, on the issue of role-playing... I completely agree. Not only does it annoy me to no end, this is not the place for it. I see no reason to it and it just seems cluttered and unthoughtful. I'm trying not to be rude or anything, but that's just my plain opinion on it. It's fine to do a little roleplaying in your posts... I do it too. But just don't go overboard because it's completely pointless and irritating.

I apologized if that reply may seem rushed, since it was. My "curfew" is 9:30 PM on weeknights and I began typing approximately 10 minutes after that. Ack... I switch between talking directly to frostweaver to addressing the entirety of PC with my opinions. ._. My apologies about that.

[Flaming Torchic]

I really should be going to bed or practicing my lines for my Romeo and Juliet presentation tomorrow, but I can't help but reply to this topic. I've only been skimming the last few pages, but I have to applaud you, frostweaver, on your great sense of... well, common sense.

Since the first few points in your don't apply to me directly (I'm not trying to maintain any sort of ego, but I do try my best to keep an unbiased opinion toward topics and toward other members), I'm just going to skip right up to the other things addressed.

The only reason Pokemon Trivia & Games adds to your postcount where as Fun Time in Poke Land (although from now on in this post I will refer to it as Fun Time) does not is because at the time we began contemplating a forum for games played on the message board that were the miscellaneous equivalent to Pokemon T&G, we were also considering removing the postcount from Pokemon T&G. When Fun Time was added to the community, it went up without the postcount. However, we soon decided it was best not to fiddle with the posting attributes in Pokemon T&G because of the retribution we might have recieved from the many users with dramatically decreased postcounts as a result of turning off the postcount in such a big section. The only other solution, if I remember correctly, was the rather tedious job of moving all the topics out of the forum to the new one... or something along those lines. Although, to my understanding, one with the power to do so can mass move topics. The postcount should be removed, though, in my opinion.

The initial reasoning behind removing postcounts from either forum was because the posts there all seemed to be something to the extent of "P................(grr... 25 characters)" if one was playing Hangman, or something. The debate could go on about whether or not that is worthy of being called a post. Oddly enough, whilst typing this post, I was going through both Pokemon G&T and Fun Time searching for specific examples of the type of post I just gave, but I couldn't find any glaringly obvious ones in the biggest (and most popular?) topics. I searched very quickly, so possibly later I'll have the time to do it properly, but right then my opinion was wavered as people are making very decent posts from what I can tell. So I may have to come back and edit this part. So far, I can see that there will have to be changes made. The stereotypical posts I had imagined don't seem to be present in every thread. You have a very good point, frostweaver. There isn't really any reason why the posts in Fun Time shouldn't count whereas every other post in the forum should. I will try to dig a little deeper into this, though.

As for the next paragraph of your post, thank you for quoting me there, as I don't think enough people realise exactly what being a moderator is. It's not fun and games. It's a job without pay. Not only are you expected to be on a lot, but you also have to do - gasp - work. You have to be able to juggle your social life with your online life. I won't go into too much detail because I will find myself ranting, but I know I have gone through a feeling of inadequacy many times nearly to the point of resignation because of the stress this job can drop upon you. It's not just something you decide to do randomly... you have to be able to stick to it. And yes, I agree with frostweaver in saying that some mods don't necessarily deserve their position whereas many members should be made mods as they could definitely do the job well.

And quickly to say, as for the MOTM thing... I condensed all the staff member categories into one this month as I didn't see the need for seperate ones for moderators, super mods, and praetor/admins (or Praetor/Super Mods; whichever). I actually considered taking it out all together as I don't see why we could get our own status marker like that, but I figured there might be slight retaliation for doing such a thing, so I left it in. Besides, it's sort of a fun category regardless and it sort of shows who's active and who's doing a good job.

As for the veteran topics, I couldn't agree more. This may seem harsh, but quite frankly, I nor many other members really give a flip if you have been a member since June 2003, January 2002, November 2002, or even the Ikonboard before PC "graduated" to a vBulliten. We're all the same, it doesn't make you special. Little celebrations of "my 1 year anniversary!" are sort of okay if you sort of make a little timeline and say why you're happy you've been with the forums for a year, any changes you've noticed, etc. But there is no such thing as a "veteran" member, as many people who have been around since the beginning may not even have as many posts or even "quality posts" as someone who joined a month ago. So why should they get some sort of special status instead of others? I don't want to go too far into this, though. My thoughts on it should probably be apparent now already.

Let's just say, on the issue of role-playing... I completely agree. Not only does it annoy me to no end, this is not the place for it. I see no reason to it and it just seems cluttered and unthoughtful. I'm trying not to be rude or anything, but that's just my plain opinion on it. It's fine to do a little roleplaying in your posts... I do it too. But just don't go overboard because it's completely pointless and irritating.

I apologized if that reply may seem rushed, since it was. My "curfew" is 9:30 PM on weeknights and I began typing approximately 10 minutes after that. Ack... I switch between talking directly to frostweaver to addressing the entirety of PC with my opinions. ._. My apologies about that.

There are a lot of members who think that just because they "were here first" that they feel they should be treated better then members who have been here for only about a month, even if their posts may be more thought out. I have encountered a moderator like that who thought that she had more authority in a certain forum because she was a "veteran", regardless of the fact that she only came online about once every two months ._.

A moderator job is a very difficult task as well, I too have gotten a tad annoyed at times because of it, but to be completely honest it hasn't caused me that much problems, but I am not one to get angry easily. I get the feeling that some members just want it so their name can be "bold", or may want their name to be "orange", even if those are actually meant to make it so it is easier to locate Mods and Admins on the who's online list, in case you need thair aid.

When it comes to getting rid of post count from a specific forum, it is a very risky choice. Although you will be solving the problem of people posting short posts, mainly because it is impossible to make long and thoughtful posts in a game, as it is not a discussion.

Anyways, that's all I have to say for the time being.

[Kayleigh]

Lol... name me 1 thread that's full of discussions, and it isn't even closed yet... the closest one is probably Passion of Christ in the entertainment section.

When PC can start a flame war out of a simple discussion talking about heigh, or out of "what's your favorite type of Pokemon" (both resulted in banning, one resulted in Sean's depromotion, with the other one started the infamous Iveechan returning thread), you know that PC got some serious issues regarding maturity. Because of these just what should have been simple discussions turning into flame wars, mods put a stop to a discussion more and more easily. In these situations, we really lose those good old discussions such as Dakota's monthly "creation vs religion" and alike. It'll be so nice if we get some serious discussions mixed with the more relaxing threads. A balance of both will be nice. However right now it's quite one sided...
So many members complain about not getting to talk about political/etc. related-things, but it's not our fault. They're deciding if it stays or not when they make their reply to a thread. If their post is nice, and not offensive, then it shows us that they can handle being mature and so they'll be allowed to have those kinds of threads. But if they're acting immature and being rude, then we'll ban those kinds of threads. ((I know that you already knew that; I was telling any members that didn't know. ^_^;))


I really should be going to bed or practicing my lines for my Romeo and Juliet presentation tomorrow, but I can't help but reply to this topic. I've only been skimming the last few pages, but I have to applaud you, frostweaver, on your great sense of... well, common sense.

Since the first few points in your don't apply to me directly (I'm not trying to maintain any sort of ego, but I do try my best to keep an unbiased opinion toward topics and toward other members), I'm just going to skip right up to the other things addressed.

The only reason Pokemon Trivia & Games adds to your postcount where as Fun Time in Poke Land (although from now on in this post I will refer to it as Fun Time) does not is because at the time we began contemplating a forum for games played on the message board that were the miscellaneous equivalent to Pokemon T&G, we were also considering removing the postcount from Pokemon T&G. When Fun Time was added to the community, it went up without the postcount. However, we soon decided it was best not to fiddle with the posting attributes in Pokemon T&G because of the retribution we might have recieved from the many users with dramatically decreased postcounts as a result of turning off the postcount in such a big section. The only other solution, if I remember correctly, was the rather tedious job of moving all the topics out of the forum to the new one... or something along those lines. Although, to my understanding, one with the power to do so can mass move topics. The postcount should be removed, though, in my opinion.

The initial reasoning behind removing postcounts from either forum was because the posts there all seemed to be something to the extent of "P................(grr... 25 characters)" if one was playing Hangman, or something. The debate could go on about whether or not that is worthy of being called a post. Oddly enough, whilst typing this post, I was going through both Pokemon G&T and Fun Time searching for specific examples of the type of post I just gave, but I couldn't find any glaringly obvious ones in the biggest (and most popular?) topics. I searched very quickly, so possibly later I'll have the time to do it properly, but right then my opinion was wavered as people are making very decent posts from what I can tell. So I may have to come back and edit this part. So far, I can see that there will have to be changes made. The stereotypical posts I had imagined don't seem to be present in every thread. You have a very good point, frostweaver. There isn't really any reason why the posts in Fun Time shouldn't count whereas every other post in the forum should. I will try to dig a little deeper into this, though.

As for the next paragraph of your post, thank you for quoting me there, as I don't think enough people realise exactly what being a moderator is. It's not fun and games. It's a job without pay. Not only are you expected to be on a lot, but you also have to do - gasp - work. You have to be able to juggle your social life with your online life. I won't go into too much detail because I will find myself ranting, but I know I have gone through a feeling of inadequacy many times nearly to the point of resignation because of the stress this job can drop upon you. It's not just something you decide to do randomly... you have to be able to stick to it. And yes, I agree with frostweaver in saying that some mods don't necessarily deserve their position whereas many members should be made mods as they could definitely do the job well.

And quickly to say, as for the MOTM thing... I condensed all the staff member categories into one this month as I didn't see the need for seperate ones for moderators, super mods, and praetor/admins (or Praetor/Super Mods; whichever). I actually considered taking it out all together as I don't see why we could get our own status marker like that, but I figured there might be slight retaliation for doing such a thing, so I left it in. Besides, it's sort of a fun category regardless and it sort of shows who's active and who's doing a good job.

As for the veteran topics, I couldn't agree more. This may seem harsh, but quite frankly, I nor many other members really give a flip if you have been a member since June 2003, January 2002, November 2002, or even the Ikonboard before PC "graduated" to a vBulliten. We're all the same, it doesn't make you special. Little celebrations of "my 1 year anniversary!" are sort of okay if you sort of make a little timeline and say why you're happy you've been with the forums for a year, any changes you've noticed, etc. But there is no such thing as a "veteran" member, as many people who have been around since the beginning may not even have as many posts or even "quality posts" as someone who joined a month ago. So why should they get some sort of special status instead of others? I don't want to go too far into this, though. My thoughts on it should probably be apparent now already.

Let's just say, on the issue of role-playing... I completely agree. Not only does it annoy me to no end, this is not the place for it. I see no reason to it and it just seems cluttered and unthoughtful. I'm trying not to be rude or anything, but that's just my plain opinion on it. It's fine to do a little roleplaying in your posts... I do it too. But just don't go overboard because it's completely pointless and irritating.

I apologized if that reply may seem rushed, since it was. My "curfew" is 9:30 PM on weeknights and I began typing approximately 10 minutes after that. Ack... I switch between talking directly to frostweaver to addressing the entirety of PC with my opinions. ._. My apologies about that.
I agree with all of that. You explained it really well for being in a hurry, lol.

((Oh geez... I forget what else I was going to say. @_@ I'll think of it later.))

[Lightning]

=X People are quoting my big post and it makes me scroll more.. you guys can just quote the first and last parts if you want... no need to include it all. ^_^;;

I have encountered a moderator like that who thought that she had more authority in a certain forum because she was a "veteran", regardless of the fact that she only came online about once every two months ._.
Any mod inactive like that shouldn't be allowed to come back to a moderator position, in my opinion. I'm pretty sure everyone who is in such a situation knows who they are and had better darn be active. ~_~

[Sakura and Espeon]

Ahem... the game can be very meaningful if we pull up some hardly seen moves in there... I have to wonder how many times role play, icicle spear, snatch or barrage is used there... Using breeding moves are other good ways to make the game way less "boring and pointless."

And seems like the idea of "do not repeat whatever is said above you but instead add something to the conversation" seems to be something very difficult to do in PC... as plenty of people (who says that they agree with this problem existing) are just doing the exact same stuff as before... let's try our best to work on all of this, instead of saying "yeah i agree...".

Well, thats the point here. You can't have posts with "yes I do agree" and "I do not agree". Well, it's make the post pointless and SPAM. Members might get confused why you don't agree or disagree on your choice. Theres a rule at SPPF that you can't do that and you need to explain more.

The only reason Pokemon Trivia & Games adds to your postcount where as Fun Time in Poke Land (although from now on in this post I will refer to it as Fun Time) does not is because at the time we began contemplating a forum for games played on the message board that were the miscellaneous equivalent to Pokemon T&G, we were also considering removing the postcount from Pokemon T&G. When Fun Time was added to the community, it went up without the postcount. However, we soon decided it was best not to fiddle with the posting attributes in Pokemon T&G because of the retribution we might have recieved from the many users with dramatically decreased postcounts as a result of turning off the postcount in such a big section. The only other solution, if I remember correctly, was the rather tedious job of moving all the topics out of the forum to the new one... or something along those lines. Although, to my understanding, one with the power to do so can mass move topics. The postcount should be removed, though, in my opinion.
Yes, Pokemon T&G has more quality since you have to tell why and stuff, but some games doesn't have that quality and these trivia games like this is almost the ones in Pokemon Land. ^_^ Postcounts should not count in Pokemon T&G because it's susposed to be the same concept of Pokemon Land. Have fun without worring about your postcount. >_>

Let's just say, on the issue of role-playing... I completely agree. Not only does it annoy me to no end, this is not the place for it. I see no reason to it and it just seems cluttered and unthoughtful. I'm trying not to be rude or anything, but that's just my plain opinion on it. It's fine to do a little roleplaying in your posts... I do it too. But just don't go overboard because it's completely pointless and irritating.
I do not agree, because it's susp