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Toothache
June 27th, 2006, 12:26 AM
Something I've only just realised is that the patterns on Togepi/Togetic match the triangular symbol that appears on the front of Latias and Latios. Ever wondered if there's some sort of connection between them?

Natsuki
June 27th, 2006, 11:18 AM
Whoa, I've never realized that before. o_o Hmm, I don't really have a clear explanation for why they have such similar markings, but maybe it could have something to do with that mysterious place that worshiped Togepi in the anime (forgot what it was called, but it was the episode where Misty returned the first time [dunno if it's happened before XD])? Togepi did seem to have some strange powers in that episode, they could be linked with the powers that Latios and Latias already possess.

~Kelsey

Kalylia
June 27th, 2006, 12:51 PM
I'm guessing it's just a a freak twist. There doesn't seem to be a logical connection between the two, considering Togepi isn't remotely legendary.

Toothache
June 28th, 2006, 03:28 AM
If you've watched the anime, Togepi often saves the parties butt several times with it's Metronome, pulling out Teleports and all sorts. It does beg the question to see if there is some connection there.

Astinus
June 28th, 2006, 04:12 AM
Togepi doing that is nothing more than a deus ex machina, a well-timed saved that the writers threw in. (You know, kind of like the trainer-of-the-day suddenly gaining confidence to defeat Team Rocket. Well-timed? I think so...)

Though, the last movie Togepi appeared in was the one with the Lati@s. o.o

Or it could be like the same design that Bayleef and Skarmory have for the head leaf and the tail, respectively. Similar designs with the triangles? Or something deeper going on...?

Toothache
June 28th, 2006, 04:51 AM
I know it's a deus ex machina, but the idea still stands, Togepi can pull something out when needed. Never thought about the Bayleef/Skarmory connection, could be worth looking into.

Maybe there is something deeper. Don't forget, Togepi evolves into a flying type, and the Lati@s can both fly (well, Levitate, but you get my point).

Kalylia
June 29th, 2006, 01:22 PM
The fact still remains that they are ENTIRELY different Pokemon. Yeah, Togepi has saved the butt of the Heroes a few times, but so have many other things. That, and mostly, Togepi's saves seem to be total accidents, and are really nothing outside of what ANY Togepi could do.

There's also that. There are MANY Togepi. Only one Latias, only one Latios.

And, lots of Pokemon evolve from one thing into a flying type. Dragonair into Dragonite. Trapinch into Flygon.

I just don't think there is a connection at all. The patterns are just simalar. It happens with a few other Pokemon. Just a freak twist in the anime.

Drew
June 29th, 2006, 04:46 PM
Togetic does sorta look like Latias! XD

...Oo....but I don't think have any real connections between them, probably nothing to look to deeply into.

Still, its an interesting idea.

Smarties-chan
June 30th, 2006, 02:55 AM
I have noticed that too. The shape of Togetic's head is also similar to Latias' and Latios'. http://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/176.pnghttp://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/380.pnghttp://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/381.png . And as someone mentioned above (I'm too lazy to check out who it was X___X), Togepi is worshipped by certain people in the anime. And the powers Togepi used in the second part of that episode were clearly psychic powers of some sort. I don't find it hard at all to belive that Togepi and Togetic might have some kind of connection with Latios and Latias.
There's also that. There are MANY Togepi. Only one Latias, only one Latios.
I suggest you take a look at the Pokédex entries for Latias and Latios.

For example, Latias' Emerald entry says: ''They make a small herd of only several members. They rarely make contact with other people or Pokémon. They dissappear if they sense enemies.

Toothache
July 1st, 2006, 12:43 AM
Something else I noticed that adds credence to some connection is the fact that, in any of the games, you never see a wild Togepi anywhere. (In GSC you get Togepi as an egg, in Pokemon Colosseum you catch one as a Shadow Pokemon, in XD you are given one to purify). Makes you wonder where Togepi exist and where they come from.

Broleta
July 1st, 2006, 12:53 AM
Something else I noticed that adds credence to some connection is the fact that, in any of the games, you never see a wild Togepi anywhere. (In GSC you get Togepi as an egg, in Pokemon Colosseum you catch one as a Shadow Pokemon, in XD you are given one to purify). Makes you wonder where Togepi exist and where they come from.
I think they come from that mirage kingdom place in the anime, but you can take anything the anime says with a pinch of salt.

miyo
July 1st, 2006, 01:07 AM
just a wild guess, but perhaps Latias and Latios originated from Mirage Island? Like Togepi/Togetic did?

Toothache
July 1st, 2006, 01:09 AM
I haven't seen the anime origin of Togepi so I can't comment on it. All I know is, the more I think about it, the more of a connection there seems to be.

EDIT: I thought you found Wynaut on Mirage Island, or is that just in the games? Hey, you do find a Wynaut Egg in RSE so maybe there's a connection there too??

Smarties-chan
July 1st, 2006, 02:07 AM
just a wild guess, but perhaps Latias and Latios originated from Mirage Island? Like Togepi/Togetic did?
You mean the Mirage Kingdom from the anime, right? Because Togepi and Togetic are from the Mirage Kingdom (according to the anime, that is), not Mirage Island.

Toothache
July 1st, 2006, 02:40 AM
Ok, so there is a difference.

Mirage Kingdom - Togepi land
Mirage Island - Wynaut land/Liechi Berry grows here.

Espeon Master
July 1st, 2006, 07:51 AM
Maybe they're all in the same family? Like in the real world for example there are all different types of deer, maybe it's something like that? It would explain the similaritys in Togetic and latios/latias's heads and the spots.

kitsune_boy389
July 2nd, 2006, 02:54 AM
I doubt there's a connection. If there is, It must be very distant

peterchen
July 2nd, 2006, 04:09 PM
they are all the same family ,o)