Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile!?!?!

[Esurified]

Who do you think is the best starter from the three?

Me myself likes Cyndaquil but I chose to like Chikorita more cause
of the least popularity and its final evolution, Meganium, is not all mean
looking and vicious. Also Chikorita is reliable on the game although weak against most things.

[Frostweaver]

well Thyplosion and Feraligatr are certainly equally powerful... Meganium would be too if grass types aren't so weak (and if we're looking at this RS wise then it's even weaker).

[Kairi]

Actually, I fought an annoying one with Light Screen and Reflect that kept me in that battle for like an hour...ugh.

[Q Man]

Actually, I fought an annoying one with Light Screen and Reflect that kept me in that battle for like an hour...ugh.
I have a question - Does REFLECT mirror physical moves like Tackle and Thrash?

[Kairi]

It halves damage from physical moves. Light Screen does the same for special ones.

[Esurified]

I change my vote to Cyndaquil cause my Meganium lost to a f***ing (blocked those words out on purpose) Dragonite! Meganium was at lv100 too. I think Cyndaquil is more cuter!

[Kenta]

Cyndaquil I would pick

why?

1.Kenta/Gold has one(in anime and manga)
2.It can beat the other 2 Starters in this group
Feraligator: by Thunderpunch
Meganium: by Flamethrower

Plus it can beat its own kind(Fire) and it's weakness(Rock) with Earthquake :D

[Frostweaver]

Cyndaquil I would pick

why?

1.Kenta/Gold has one(in anime and manga)
2.It can beat the other 2 Starters in this group
Feraligator: by Thunderpunch
Meganium: by Flamethrower

Plus it can beat its own kind(Fire) and it's weakness(Rock) with Earthquake :D

not to mention that Feraligatr can screw Thyplosion faster by using Earthquake... and Meganium can put up a great fight with light screen, synthesis and the deadly body slam (if you're paralyzed, then Meganium's staying power would definitely rise)

[Kenta]

if it can survive

Speed is the key

224-254 is the Max Speed Feraligator can get
268-298 is the Max Speed Typhlosion can get

Meganium is slower than Typhlosion, but can get faster than Feraligator 228-258
Flamethrower+STAB would fry Meganium

[Frostweaver]

i think it can... Thyplosion's stats maybe good, but Meganium's stats aren't bad either...

most likely this will happen (excluding criticals)
-Thyplosion uses Flamethrower
-Meganium's hp is a bit close to 1/2
-Meganium uses Light Screen
-(leftovers heal Meganium just back to 1/2)
-Thyplosion uses Flamethrower
-Meganium's hp is at 1/4
-Meganium uses Synthesis...

well that's my guess. But then maybe Thyplosion can get enough power to knock Meganium pass the vital 1/2 total hp point. If it can then it's either switch out or faint.

[Kenta]

Also, Sunny Day gives another 1.5 to to the Fire Power

Flamethrower(95)X2Super Effective=190+STAB(50)+Sunny Day(50)=290

You use Light Screen and its at 145 damage(which still knocks Meganium out since its almost out of HP by then)

[Frostweaver]

Err... sunny day Thyplosion is rather a rare sight... sunny day is just rare in all ways you look at it unless at least 3 members from your team benefits from a weather effect...

[Kenta]

rare sight?

http://pokecommunity.com/REFRENCE/showthread.php?t=356

the old site of PC shows standard movesets

Typhlosion:
Fire Blast
Sunny Day
Thunderpunch
Earthquake

I put Flamethrower cause its more accurate. Fire Blast would overdo it a bit

[G-LANCE]

most definitely cyndiquil
cause nobody can beat my lv100 typhlosion's line up

Flamethrower (grass, bug, ice, type advantage)
Thunder punch (water, flying)
Earthquake (electric, poison)
Dynamic Punch (i just chose it to get rid of red's snorlax-normal, dark)

trust me, i duplicated it and keep a team, that's how i won my celebi, through an epic battle that had to do with typhlosions, the setting was the nyc pkmn center (no im not kidding, my aunt lives 5 blocks from there).

[Kayleigh]

Well, for the cutest, I have to pick Chikorita! ^_^

But, overall I'd have to choose Cyndaquil if I was being more strategic. It learns some great attacks for fighting against both water and grass.

[Frostweaver]

rare sight?

http://pokecommunity.com/REFRENCE/showthread.php?t=356

the old site of PC shows standard movesets

Typhlosion:
Fire Blast
Sunny Day
Thunderpunch
Earthquake

I put Flamethrower cause its more accurate. Fire Blast would overdo it a bit

... huh? i thought most people make a moveset from this following movepool...

-earthquake
-roar
-rest
-thunderpunch
-flamethrower

sunny day is thrown on it if other members on the lineup benefits from it as well (like if your other pokemon is Rhydon for example)

[Red Storm]

I like Meganium myself. Its actually one of the stronger grass types if not the strongest.

[AzureFlygon]

I love fire types, although their weakness against water gets discouraging. I like Cyndaquil better, though Totodile can put up a great fight if you teach it dig.

[Fire Master]

I love Cyndaquil! (look at my name) becsause he is Fire. My typlsion can now kill a water pokemon that is lower then Level 51 with earthquake he is levle 97 ( i don't use rare candies)

[Frostweaver]

I love fire types, although their weakness against water gets discouraging. I like Cyndaquil better, though Totodile can put up a great fight if you teach it dig.

Feraligatr will die twice the speed against Thyplosion if you use dig... (earthquake do double damage then which is not cool)

Stick with Earthquake against Thyplosion if you're using Feraligatr. It's the most efficient way possible.

[Esurified]

I like Meganium myself. Its actually one of the stronger grass types if not the strongest.

NO WAY!! Venusaur or Vileplume will kill that too-cute Pokemon! Utterly almost ONE HIT K.O. if I teach them both Toxic or PoisonPowder! Meganium is alright if ya want to have a challenge in beating the game or just love grass or probably want to have a bunch of butt-ugly wanna-be cute Pokemons.

[Sudowoodo_prince]

Well, I do like Cyndaquil the best...Although I got really far with Tododile.
I sorta got the same length with them. I haven't finished the game with my Meganium yet, but I'm getting closer! ...Although I haven't really played for a while.

[Frostweaver]

NO WAY!! Venusaur or Vileplume will kill that too-cute Pokemon! Utterly almost ONE HIT K.O. if I teach them both Toxic or PoisonPowder! Meganium is alright if ya want to have a challenge in beating the game or just love grass or probably want to have a bunch of butt-ugly wanna-be cute Pokemons.

completely... disagree...

Meganium is perhaps the only grass type who stands a chance against flying because it knows counter. With counter on Meganium plus healing moves it can drive Zapdos nuts.

With reflect and light screen it can stall out more PP than a lot of other Pokemon can in GSC days. Even in RS now it's still an annoying one to fight against. With both of these strategical moves it can last a lot longer than any other grass types can, only lower than Celebi (due to heal bell, recover and legendary stats).

I'll rather use Meganium as a physical attacker for grass type. With Earthquake it got pretty good potential (btw it can knock out Vileplume and Venusaur much faster than the other 2 can knock out Meganium even if they have Sludgebomb which is never really recommanded.) Body Slam is always annoying due to paralyzation. Can also learn ancientpower which gives some opponent quite a shock. With the great varieties for its movepool Meganium's moveset is rather unpredicatble. Is it going to to stalling, or a countering Meganium?

Meganium is certainly not a Pokemon only if you want a challenge for the ingame (well the ingame can never gives challenge to anyone sadly). It has just as much potential as all other starters.

[Kairi]

Actually, Leech Seed Celebi with Recover or Rest is very, very painful. They call them Celery I believe... they are usually banned. ^_^;

[Frostweaver]

i don't see why Celebi should be banned... what else can Celebi do but...

-heal bell
-recover
-leech seed
-psychic/water pulse (RS)

it's not like it's illegal or anything... if the opponent used a legendary... where's your legendary to go up against it? :)

[Rift]

I choose Cyndaquil, cause that whole evolution line are my fav Pokemon! Oh, i have about 15 Celibi (cloned) and its actually not that great of a fighter! i mean my level 65 Typhlosion and my level 72 Snorlax took out Celibi (its level 100) so, Celibi may be rare, but its attacks sometimes suck!

[Frostweaver]

Celebi is a support/staller, and never a great fighter... i use the moveset i listed before and it's great to me...

how in the world can it lose to another pokemon whose level are so much lower than it? is there problems with their stats (like box trick isn't done yet if this is in GSC?)

[Kairi]

Most people consider Celebi with Leech Seed 00ber, whereas any other combo not. IT has enormous staying power. When I used Celebi, I liked Psychic Giga Drain Recover Heal Bell.
It's sad Celebi's Giga Drain on GSC doesn't quite take out Quagsire in one, many a times a Cursesire beat my Celebi because of that fact.

[Frostweaver]

... k even if Celebi can't faint cursesire in one Giga Drain, how does Quagsire survive the 2nd Giga drain? (unless you just happen to run out of PP at this point... Giga drain is rather a poor attack mainly because of PP)

***be Celebi cannot faint cursesire in one Giga drain, it should be at least in the red or low yellow zone... the 2nd giga drain should really do the job... if it has rest then 3 hit of giga drain. if it has minty rest then make it 4...

[Kairi]

The problem is if Quagsire is Cursed up, one is all Celebi gets. I mean if someone passes Mean Look to Quagsire, they Curse up then I send out Celebi after my other Pokémon has fainted...

[Frostweaver]

well if it is cursed up already... then Celebi will be gone from the next earthquake/physical attack. I thought you're tallking about during the process of Quagsire cursing up... (thank goodness curse is no longer a tm as curse is too deadly before...)

[Kairi]

The scenario was:

Let's say I have something like Raichu out. The foe has Umbreon. Now I'm smart enough to swap to a pseudo-hazer, but back then I left it out. Umbreon Mean Looks me, and passes it to Quagsire. I can't damage it or I do very little, and then when it's fully Cursed it takes out Raichu. If I send out Celebi, it doesn't quite finish off Quagsire and I lost two Pokémon.

Ahh, I had no idea what I was doing a year or so ago. ^_^

[Frostweaver]

heh... what was i doing a year ago...

right... playing around with a Lanturn. Then i realized that i can learn confuse ray so i erased thunderwave with confuse ray... Then awhile later i am using Lanturn against a trainer. I used confuse ray to confuse the opponent, and the ingame trainer used some useless move against me. Then when i used thunder (without rain dance... man was i stupid) on the opponent and it paralyzed him. Then by pure luck i see the "new" strategy of parafusion...

*and this marks the beginning of me studying Pokemon metagame deeply, and i still like to use Lanturn today partly because of this too*

[Esurified]

completely... disagree...

Meganium is perhaps the only grass type who stands a chance against flying because it knows counter. With counter on Meganium plus healing moves it can drive Zapdos nuts.

With reflect and light screen it can stall out more PP than a lot of other Pokemon can in GSC days. Even in RS now it's still an annoying one to fight against. With both of these strategical moves it can last a lot longer than any other grass types can, only lower than Celebi (due to heal bell, recover and legendary stats).

I'll rather use Meganium as a physical attacker for grass type. With Earthquake it got pretty good potential (btw it can knock out Vileplume and Venusaur much faster than the other 2 can knock out Meganium even if they have Sludgebomb which is never really recommanded.) Body Slam is always annoying due to paralyzation. Can also learn ancientpower which gives some opponent quite a shock. With the great varieties for its movepool Meganium's moveset is rather unpredicatble. Is it going to to stalling, or a countering Meganium?

Meganium is certainly not a Pokemon only if you want a challenge for the ingame (well the ingame can never gives challenge to anyone sadly). It has just as much potential as all other starters.

No way in heck! Meganium are the worst grass Pokemons! You'll be all day trying to beat my Venusaur! Those attack only delay defeat.