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pokemaster7
July 10th, 2006, 11:30 AM
kyogre is considerd the "spirit of the sea"(dont get confused with lugia he is the "beast of the sea) and manifi is the "price of the sea" so manifi must be the son of the sea's head honcho wich is kyogre. you can also see manifi has lines and circles on i'ts body(like kyoge). and kyogre is featured in the same movie as manifi. so kyogre must be the father of manifi.

Katsu-Bang
July 10th, 2006, 11:33 AM
I can assure you that Manaphy is not related to Kyorge. Since when have legendaries had pre evolutions? And besides, that would mean Groudon would get a pre-evo too since Kyorge and it are parallel legendaries.

And my other guess is that Manaphy is our fourth "little legendary" Pokemon.

The only way they're related is because they both came from the ocean

pokemaster7
July 10th, 2006, 11:43 AM
i never said manaphy is a pre evolved form of kyogre. and about groundon he does not neccisarily has an offsing but he might in the future. besides. how can y ou explane the "prince of the sea." if it is not an offsping than it migt be a clone of some sort(like mewtwo).besides why else kyogre be inthe same move as manifi. (kyogre is my favorite pokemon if you had'nt noticed)

Katsu-Bang
July 10th, 2006, 11:46 AM
why else kyogre be inthe same move as manifi

For the same reason Jirachi is in the same movie as Groudon. And Mew is in the same movie as Lucario.

pokemaster7
July 10th, 2006, 11:58 AM
yes. but how else can kyogre be in the same movie as manifi, and you STILL hav'nt anserd the "prince of the sea" statement :P .

pokemaster7
July 10th, 2006, 12:03 PM
all these clues add up as you can abviosly see.

The Songbird
July 10th, 2006, 08:41 PM
There aren't enough similar traits for Kyogre and Manaphy to be related that way. They look VERY different. Besides, like .:Roselia:. said, if Manaphy was Kyogre's offspring, Nintendo would have had offspring for Groudon too.

About the titles- Lugia is also known as "The Water's Great Guardian." Kyogre is "The Creator of the Sea." And Manaphy is "The Prince of the Sea." This creates a balance of power in the sea- Kyogre created it, Lugia guards it, and Manaphy rules it. That's how I see it anyways.

Rioku_Zanketa
July 10th, 2006, 10:42 PM
hmm......I've never really watched any of the other movies bast the deoxys ones...could someone show me a pic or two of manaphy?...

Smarties-chan
July 10th, 2006, 11:28 PM
I completely agree with songbird's statement. Kyogre is obviously the creator of the sea, Lugia is the guardian and Manaphy is the ruler. And if Manaphy is Kyogre's offspring, then what Pokémon is Manaphy's other parent?

I also find it pretty hard to believe that an orca's offspring would be a tiny fairy-ish Pokémon. =\ Besides, if Kyogre slept for thousands of years, when did it have time to breed?

Saying Kyogre and Manaphy are related is like saying Metapod and Silcoon are related because they are both coccoons. -.- Or how about Metapod and Scyther being related? They are both Bug type Pokémon that are green.

You're going to need a lot more evidence to convince me of Kyogre and Manaphy being related.

Rioku_Zanketa
July 11th, 2006, 12:29 AM
I also find it pretty hard to believe that an orca's offspring would be a tiny fairy-ish Pokémon. =\ Besides, if Kyogre slept for thousands of years, when did it have time to breed?

well I dunno what to say about the other statements,....but thousands of years ain't all of the past......

miyo
July 11th, 2006, 02:24 AM
am I a noob or what? hahas. my question... what is Manifi? A newly discovered pokemon? o.o

pardon my lack of knowledge.. :P

Neo Android
July 11th, 2006, 03:36 AM
About the titles- Lugia is also known as "The Water's Great Guardian." Kyogre is "The Creator of the Sea." And Manaphy is "The Prince of the Sea." This creates a balance of power in the sea- Kyogre created it, Lugia guards it, and Manaphy rules it. That's how I see it anyways.

I agree about the whole lugia and kyorge 'job' statements. But for manfai we will have to wait for the movie to see its back story. It should be very intresting

Smarties-chan
July 11th, 2006, 04:11 AM
well I dunno what to say about the other statements,....but thousands of years ain't all of the past......
According to the legend, the continents and the seas were created when Groudon and Kyogre were battling and they were put to sleep right after the battle was over. Don't tell me Kyogre had time to breed in the middle of a battle. -.-

pokemaster7
July 11th, 2006, 03:52 PM
You all say manifi the sea's ruler,but then why is it the"prince of the sea" instead of the "king of the sea" if it is the ruler. so it must be the son of the sea's most poweriful, or higher in sea sociaty wich is kyogre. and about groundon also having an offspring.on pokemon heros why did latios died while latias lives? latios death cannot cause latias to die, and same with groundon. forthermore about the sleeping for thousands of years, do we when kyogre slept, or when it or it's mate pregnanted. the thousand year sleep had nothing to do with it. :disappoin

Smarties-chan
July 11th, 2006, 11:07 PM
You all say manifi the sea's ruler,but then why is it the"prince of the sea" instead of the "king of the sea" if it is the ruler. so it must be the son of the sea's most poweriful, or higher in sea sociaty wich is kyogre. and about groundon also having an offspring.on pokemon heros why did latios died while latias lives? latios death cannot cause latias to die, and same with groundon. forthermore about the sleeping for thousands of years, do we when kyogre slept, or when it or it's mate pregnanted. the thousand year sleep had nothing to do with it. :disappoin
You still haven't answered my question. If Kyogre is the mother, who is the father?

pokemaster7
July 13th, 2006, 03:47 PM
I'm not sure on that one, it probibly didn't show the father in the move (if you remember the old show back then, they didn't show the other parent of lugia's offspring). Also kyogre dosn't has to be a mother(couled be a father),or it is a bisexual. and heres my view of who's who. lugia is gaudiun(like you said), kyogre is creator/ruler, and manaphy is the heir to the throne(or sits on a piece of coral).

miyo
July 14th, 2006, 07:46 PM
what's manifi.... sry, I just didn't know ><;;

obelisk-kun
July 15th, 2006, 11:12 PM
what's manifi.... sry, I just didn't know ><;;
a cross between tentacool and kyogre basicly.

miyo
July 17th, 2006, 12:37 AM
a cross between tentacool and kyogre basicly.

wow.. I didn't know tentacool and kyogre could breed.. o.O must be the newer generations... hmmms XD

charizard_maa
July 17th, 2006, 11:07 AM
Manifi is a legendary pokemon. It not a breeding from anything. (This is for Miyo). Look around the sprite forums here and you can see them in the sprites tread.

I agree with Smarties. Kyogre makes the sea. Lugia guards it. Manifi rules it. Not all kingdoms have a king and Manifi is a young looking pokemon so he is a bit too young to be called a king. Anyways, Kyogre is a mad pokemon which just knows how to fight. If you want anime proof then look at the episodes that it appeared in. Once awaken it decided to wreak havoc on the world. Why else would it be put to sleep? Kyogre doesn't have the idea of mating.

Also what is wrong here is that you are grabbing support from the anime which has a lot of holes in explaining things. Lugia for one thing. Makes in sense that it talked in the movie but said nothing in the episodes that it appeared in. Don't be getting all your support from the anime. It also helps to have video game support too.

Manifi could just be a pokemon that hatch from an egg. That all. I mean pokemon have to come and start somewhere. It doesn't mean they need a father and mother or something. ANyways, these titles came from the anicent humans who knew little about anything. Prince of the Sea, Guardain of the Sea, Creator of the Sea were all given to these pokemon by humans. These pokemon didn't tell them to call them that. Legends are made by humans so don't be thinking there is some kind of kingdom in the sea. There is an order but not some kind of kingdom where Manifi rules them all.

ohsnap07960
July 19th, 2006, 06:20 PM
hey wait... since in da movie manafi got kyogre to come save him and wut not.... duznt that mean he sorta "controlls" kyogre and lugia to for that matter??

Gary, the Magic Fairy
July 19th, 2006, 08:42 PM
hey wait... since in da movie manafi got kyogre to come save him and wut not.... duznt that mean he sorta "controlls" kyogre and lugia to for that matter?? Yes, I think he would, because isn't he the eqivalent of Mew/Celebi/Jirachi?

I dont know... I haven't seen the movie.

ohsnap07960
July 22nd, 2006, 09:51 AM
o so that technically means manafi has the potential to take every single water type (including two kick *** legendaries) and take over the known world... that would b sooo tight
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