I just drawed 13 cards this turn[YGO-Advanced]

[DaKing23]

Yea that title is no lie... i have drawn like 13 cards in one turn with this thing

Dark World ~Draw Engine~

Monsters- 21
3x Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World
3x Sillva, Warlord of Dark World

3x Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive
3x Broww, Huntsman of Dark World
2x Bronn, Mad King of Dark World
1x D.D. Warrior Lady
1x Sangan
1x Morphing Jar
1x Night Assilant
1x Injection Fairy Lily
1x Breaker the Magical Warrior
1x Spirit Reaper

Spells (13)
3x Dark World Lightning
3x Offering to the Doomed
2x Card of Safe Return
2x Gateway to Dark World
1x Heavy Storm
1x Card Destruction
1x Graceful Charity

Traps- 8
2x Reckless Greed
2x Jar of Greed
1x Deck Destruction Virus
1x Sakuretsu Armor
1x Ring of Destruction
1x Torrential Tribute

42 Cards

note: I have my Stein OTK, and Monarch Control ahead of this deck... I have

[Ichaste Pekoni]

Graceful Charity's a trap...?

Anyway, what's Lily doing in there? If you're going to use Lily and are drawing so many cards in a turn (and I know this'll sound insanely noobish but the logic's still there), you might want to tech a Solemn Wishes...

Yeah, this is the kind of deck that makes me want to side Appropriate...

[DaKing23]

Now in regards to Appropriate. Let me put something in perspective for you. Say Appropriate is in effect. I flip Morphing Jar with a Card of Safe Return down and one Broww, and a Sillva/Goldd in hand.

You Draw:

Morph Jar 5 + 2 from my Jar+ 2 from Broww + 2 from Silvva=11 Cards

With a 7 card hand I am bound to play ATLEAST two cards that make me draw

So you draw 4 more

11+4=15

Not to mention you start the game with 6 so 15+6=21

You want to burn through 15 cards? Against my deck? That is based on me swarming and killing in a few turns. Not to mention a Deck Destruction Virus when you have a 15 card (16 when you draw next turn) hand... =X

This whole situation would be more lethal with a Card Destruction when you have a 16 card hand. Thats

16+16+2(I need to draw from Card Destruction)+6(start of game)=40 cards lol
Try side decking Greed =D

If I draw 10 cards in one turn, that is 5,000 damage right

[Frostweaver]

We've seen Third Planet already... Just that this one got Broww, Card of Safe Return and Brron as the most obvious change. It got its pros and cons... If the key cards such as Dark World Lightning, Card Destruction or Morphing Jar hits, then you do indeed get insane draws out of it. However, the opposite is true that without those key cards, you got even more dead cards in comparison to the original version.

However, do NOT get solemn wish in there at all. That card is a dead card unless you got those key cards. Third Planet tries to basically increase the hand size to tremendous extent that it's a gamble to get those key cards immediately. If you burn through 2 reckless greed with dekoichis, and still fail to get card destruction, morphing jar or graceful charity, the deck is darn doomed due to terrible luck... Adding solemn will further increase the risk, and this deck is already a lot riskier in comparison to the original in my opinion.

Personally, there's no point for Bronn because you'll much rather want to load Goldd and Sillva on to the field instead. Broww is only a jar of greed that you cannot use until you get the key cards, which is what the insane draw engine is trying to get in the first place. I'll take the 2 Bronn out, and trade one Broww for Jar of Greed. Now the size is down to 40.

Personally, I think that Third Planet MUST have a deck size of 40 and no more, since every smallest increase in drawing the keycards will help. If you go through like 2 turns without drawing the keycards, the deck is in deep troubled unless Don Zaloog decides to give you a hand.

As for this last call of change, it's more personal preference... I'll rather take out a Gateway to the Dark World to get a Magician of Faith to recycle Card Destruction or Graceful Charity... The original also got Mask of Darkness to reuse Reckless Greed, so that's also worth considering.

[DaKing23]

I dislike complete netdecking so i wanted to make some chages... but I cant believe i forgot MoF =/

and I draw so much I dotn want to deck out...a few above 40 helps

[Frostweaver]

and I draw so much I dotn want to deck out...a few above 40 helps

Then it's not the deck building step that's problematic. It's more like "how come we aren't winning when we basically drew all the necessary keycards already?"

Nobody said Third Planet is easy to play... It's probably the reason why it didn't go to Top 8, because the creator is not the one playing it but only his teammates.

[Ichaste Pekoni]

However, do NOT get solemn wish in there at all. That card is a dead card unless you got those key cards. Third Planet tries to basically increase the hand size to tremendous extent that it's a gamble to get those key cards immediately. If you burn through 2 reckless greed with dekoichis, and still fail to get card destruction, morphing jar or graceful charity, the deck is darn doomed due to terrible luck... Adding solemn will further increase the risk, and this deck is already a lot riskier in comparison to the original in my opinion.

On the other hand, it can give incredible LP advantage for Lily. It's a trade-off depending on how the deck runs.

And while I agree that in a deck like this 42 cards isn't that bad an idea, shortening it down to 40 cards somehow WOULD make it better...

[DaKing23]

Solemn Wishes... do you gain 500 per card you draw?

[Frostweaver]

On the other hand, it can give incredible LP advantage for Lily. It's a trade-off depending on how the deck runs.

2000 isn't too much, considering how it's only 500 more than My Body As a Shield which is increasing in use to stop the numerous monster destruction out there. 5000 is, on the other hand. LP is important, mostly from Nimble Momonga, because it's a determining factor if a player can Stein or not. It's rather hard to see Nimble Momonga used in a deck without extensive Pot of Avarice abuse, or (at least one) Cyber Stein hmm? If Giant Germ special summons in defensive mode, everyone will ditch Nimble Momonga for Giant Germ alread...

The possibility of Lily being a dead draw due to low LP is very, very slim in comparison to Stein... Even without LP recovery, a player can use Lily at least once usually, and sometimes even twice. Lily is also a decent stall if it's not up against Zaborg or Exiled Force by just sitting there.

LP Gain, not important at all for dark world... Play Third Planet like the super aggressive deck that it's meant to be, destroying all of the opponent's field with Offering to the Doomed/Dark World Lightning, while drawing all the necessary cards during the short period of time, then finally swarm for the win, all done within only a couple of turns (if luck is being fair, that is.)

Like I said before... Third Planet must always draw on either the keycards, destroy the field (especially Torrential and Mirror Force) to give you time to draw/prepare the swarm, or a card that can draw so you get another shot to draw the keycards. Solemn Wishes doesn't do either, so no...


Oh, didn't see this earlier... How did I miss it.

Replace Sakuretsu Armor with Mirror Force. Instead of 1 only, why not 1 or many?

[DaKing23]

I have one Mirror Force... it is in my Stein Deck

I had 2... but I had to give it up to obtain a Cyber End Dragon at SJC! Boston... so I am Mirror Force less atm for this deck... I will keep an eye out for them though....
I may take Lily out... not sure though

[Ichaste Pekoni]

Now in regards to Appropriate. Let me put something in perspective for you. Say Appropriate is in effect. I flip Morphing Jar with a Card of Safe Return down and one Broww, and a Sillva/Goldd in hand.

You Draw:

Morph Jar 5 + 2 from my Jar+ 2 from Broww + 2 from Silvva=11 Cards

With a 7 card hand I am bound to play ATLEAST two cards that make me draw

So you draw 4 more

11+4=15

Not to mention you start the game with 6 so 15+6=21

You want to burn through 15 cards? Against my deck? That is based on me swarming and killing in a few turns. Not to mention a Deck Destruction Virus when you have a 15 card (16 when you draw next turn) hand... =X

This whole situation would be more lethal with a Card Destruction when you have a 16 card hand. Thats

16+16+2(I need to draw from Card Destruction)+6(start of game)=40 cards lol
Try side decking Greed =D

If I draw 10 cards in one turn, that is 5,000 damage right

Chaos Necromancer for the win!

...Seriously, my point was that this deck can be taken advantage of (Greed like you said, Null & Void, Fire Princess combo, another Dark World deck, etc).

Actually, I think Solemn Wishes is 500 per individual effect/normal draw, but with all the different effects you have running that shouldn't be a problem.

[DaKing23]

but this deck will rarely run into a Greed =/

or Princess deck

[Frostweaver]

Yes 500 for each individual draw with Solemn Wishes (so card destruction with 5 cards in hand results in 2500 heal.) Then again... LP does not matter for the Third Planet much at all. As long as there's more than 0, it works.

Keep Lily in there. It's rather perfect for the aggressive environment, and one of the easiest way to push LP below the 5000 mark. The higher the aggressive potential in this deck, the better.

[Ichaste Pekoni]

but this deck will rarely run into a Greed =/

or Princess deck

Well use it too much and you will be running into them out of spite.

[DaKing23]

Well use it too much and you will be running into them out of spite.

An idea I have is turn this deck into a Side Deck for my Stein and Monarch deck

this would be a sick side (OR shadow) to throw the opponent off

[Frostweaver]

Sounds rather difficult for a Third Planet to be a sidedeck since it requires many specific cards though...

6 Dark World Monsters
1 Morphing Jar
1 Card Destruction
2 Reckless Greed
3 Offering to the Doomed
3 Jar of Greed
And we're already over by 1... we haven't even put in the 3 Dekoichi yet, so that means your monarch deck is best to carry the 3 Dekoichi and the one morphing jar as part of the main deck to make room

It'll be great if this is capable, though. It will take some great planning...

[Ichaste Pekoni]

An idea I have is turn this deck into a Side Deck for my Stein and Monarch deck

this would be a sick side (OR shadow) to throw the opponent off

You mean the "Is That Game?" deck? Yeah, like Frostweaver said, there are too many deck-specific cards here (not to mention a difference in deck sizes)...but let's try anyway!

Tributes: 4
2x Cyber Dragon
2x Zaborg

1-4: 19
2x Cyber Stein
3x Nimble Momonga
2x Dekoichi
2x Exiled Force
1x Spirit Reaper
1x D.D. Warrior Lady
1x D.D. Assaliant
2x Mystic Tomato
1x Sangan
1x MoF
1x Breaker
1x Morphing Jar
1x Night Assailant

Spells: 14
1x Last Will
1x Heavy
2x Giant Trunade
1x Card Destruction
1x Graceful Charity
1x Nobleman of Crossout
1x MsT
1x Book of Moon
1x Enemy Controller
1x Creature Swap
1x Megamorph
1x Limiter Removal
1x Scapegoat

Traps 5
1x Royal Decree
1x Ring
1x M. Force
1x Call
1x T. Tribute

Side Deck:
3x Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World
3x Sillva, Warlord of Dark World
3x Broww, Huntsman of Dark World
2x Bronn, Mad King of Dark World
2x Dark World Lightning
2x Offering to the Doomed
2x Card of Safe Return
2x Gateway to Dark World

Sorry, best I could do...19-card side...pretty close...perhaps Frostweaver can finish......

...And I know the LV1-4 monster count is unnaturally high, but those monsters had to get in somehow...and with the searchers (Momongas, Tomato) it shouldn't be TOO bad...

[Frostweaver]

lol Ichapokemr, why do you think i can do this near impossible task =(
Guess I'll try...

Main Deck

Lv5 and Above- 5
3x Cyber Dragon
2x Zaborg

Lv1-4- 20
2x Cyber Stein
3x Nimble Momonga
3x Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive
2x Exiled Force
1x Spirit Reaper
1x D.D. Warrior Lady
1x D.D. Assaliant
2x Mystic Tomato
1x Sangan
1x MoF
1x Breaker
1x Morphing Jar
1x Night Assailant

Spells: 12
1x Last Will
1x Reinforcement of the Army
1x Heavy Storm
2x Giant Trunade
1x Graceful Charity
1x Book of Moon
1x Enemy Controller
1x Creature Swap
1x Megamorph
1x Limiter Removal
1x Scapegoat

Traps 4
1x Ring of Destruction
1x Mirror Force
1x Call of the Haunted
1x Torrential Tribute

Side Deck

3x Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World
3x Sillva, Warlord of Dark World
3x Dark World Lightning
1x Card Destruction
3x Offering to the Doomed
2x Reckless Greed


That's a lot of compromise made... MST goes out cause it feels rather redundant if there's 2 Trunade on top of the Breaker/Heavy Storm, plus DWL in sidedeck can hit s/t too. Also due to DWL, NoC goes out.

Dekoichi went up to 3 in the main in order to fit the sidedeck to make room over there. Royal Decree had to go because of its conflict with the sidedeck (plus, it's not THAT beneficial anyway if you got access to that many Trunades and DWL to attack the backrow.)

Yeah, a huge, HUGE unbalance of ratio for the lvl1-4 monsters... Only 5 are recruiters too, and there's not even one RotA regardless of the 4 warriors. I mostly tried to maintain deck size by attacking the spell section instead of monsters... eh, I personally may have reduced stein to 1 so there's room to add one spell in again, but it's up to you really.

[DaKing23]

Interesting lol

Well I am playing my D. World deck today the way I have it posted... i shall tell you guys how I do then we can fix it etc.

But that Side into D. World curtainly is interesting

[Ichaste Pekoni]

lol Ichapokemr, why do you think i can do this near impossible task =(

'Cause I already started it for you ;)...but I didn't expect you to get it down to 40. Nice.

And I see a RotA there...seeing things, are we?

[Frostweaver]

More like a miscount... didn't include the RotA, so the actual deck size is 41, which is still acceptable imho.