What would you recomend...

[it_landry]

i am makin' a new list of the under-rated/rarely used list, so far i have Muk, Kingler, Hitmonlee, and if i can catch one , a Tauros... i just can't think of 2 other under-rated/rarely used Pokèmon for the list... any suggestions?

[Synchronize]

Tauros is overused.

See the thing about tiers is, you must take in consideration, not only the use of the pokemon as far as you've seen it (especially since some see certain pokemon used than others) but the stats as well. Tauros's excellent speed and offense make it a very good CBer, and is actually used more than you think making it an ideal OU pokemon. Try to look at existing tiers such as at Smogon and PokeRealm before you compose your own tiers.

[Piloswine Magnet]

Rapidash is a good choice( or ninetales or arcanine )

[it_landry]

okay... i know what your saying Synchronize, but i was basing it on the NetBattler servers, i've only seen 2 Tauros used on the servers, and thats not counting me...

and thanks peabobo, i think i shall use Rapidash...

[Superiore]

Rapidash is rarely used and Kangaskhan too.

[Piloswine Magnet]

oh... and marowak is another non-often used pokemon

[Alter Ego]

oh... and marowak is another non-often used pokemon

You've got to be kidding...Marowak is dead OU because of the godly Attack it gets with Thick Club. Please get your facts straight. -.-

Concerning the actual list...do recall that there are two distinct tiers in play here, UU and NU. So yeah, check out the existing lists first. Generally underused ones include Furret, Hypno, Tangela, Relicanth, Victreebel, Vileplume, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Xatu, Girafarig, Shedinja, Banette, and Pelipper, just to name a few. And of course, all the unevolved pokémon are neglected in use, as are pathetically weak ones like Luvdisc.

[Piloswine Magnet]

soo what you are saying is, that beduse you like it, it is exempt from the list?

[Alter Ego]

soo what you are saying is, that beduse you like it, it is exempt from the list?

No. Please try not to act like a twit if you can help it. -.-

I'm saying that it's unqualified to be called underused because its potential stats are far too high. It's about as UU as Mew (How many teams with Mew do you see about? Not many because the uber metagame isn't all that popular), yet Mew clearly isn't underused. Please get your facts straight or keep quiet. I don't even like using Marowak. <.<

[Piloswine Magnet]

Then why did you even say anything about my post?

[Alter Ego]

Then why did you even say anything about my post?

Okay, are you even reading the post before you comment on them? I'm saying that Marowak isn't fit to be an UU (like you claimed it should be) because it's too strong and too commonly used for that. Just because I don't like the thing personally it doesn't mean that I'd allow it to be falsely categorized. :\

Was that clear enough or do I need to type it big, bolded, underlined letters so you won't miss it?

[Piloswine Magnet]

I am reading the posts before I post. This conversation is pointless.

[Scizz]

Chill, people. Why do you have to get so hyped up about every little bit in this forum? o_O

Explain things clearly, so that even newbs can understand them, and try reading things carefully, so others don't have to repeat the same thing over and over again.
Basicly that's all you have to do to avoid these situations.

The discussion about it ends here now, or I'll lock this thread.

[Alter Ego]

True...sorry about this mess, I should really have known better. :embarrass

Well, it won't happen again. Ignore list to the rescue.

Oh, and on the topic of underused ones...Sunflora, Glalie, Aggron, Raichu, and Pinsir also belong there, definitely, and - unless I'm much mistaken - so does Lanturn.

[Piloswine Magnet]

I have to disagree with Aggron being on your list. I know alot of people who use Aggron. But with the rest, yes, you pinpointed it.

[Smarties-chan]

I have to disagree with Aggron being on your list. I know alot of people who use Aggron. But with the rest, yes, you pinpointed it.
And yet, no competitive battler would use Aggron outside UU due to having a double weakness against Ground and Fighting type moves, and every physical sweeper either has a Fighting or Ground type move. While its typing stops it from staying in play against physical attackers, its horrible Sp.Defense stops it from being able to take hits from special attacks.

Aggron might have a great movepool and good Attack, Defense and HP, but its horrible type combination stops it from being any real threat to most OUs. Sure it can dish out alot of damage, but that doesn't help when Starmie, Snorlax, Tyranitar, Milotic and Zapdos, only to name a few, completely own it before it can do a thing. If you even after this think Aggron should be considered OU, or even BL, I honestly don't know what to say. ._.

[Synchronize]

I think we'll all agree that you'll have to listen to me in the post right here:

If your tier is based soley on how often you see pokemon used, the tier will fail in the eyes of the general battler. I'm sure you could have a server full of people that use Arbok every day, but the fact of the matter is that a good, solid tier takes consideration of stats as well. For example, what if you never saw Salamence (although thats highly unlikely) except for once in a whole month? If you decided to use that as a basis for Salamence being UU or NU, you'd have a pokemon that would sweep both metagames and pretty much be broken. The key to a good metagame is to make sure things are balanced so no single pokemon gets a chance to screw the whole metagame.

[Piloswine Magnet]

That actually made sense. I think that it definitely depends on what your strategy is (Defensive, Offensive, Both, etc.)

[Superiore]

Magikarp is under used too.

LMAO.

[Piloswine Magnet]

no, if there is 1 person who uses it, it is OU.
thats how badly it sucks

[Superiore]

Anyway a real underused pokemon I'd reccomend is any fossil pokemon.

Kabuto & Kabutops
Omanyte & evo (whats it's name)
And if R/S/E
is yours.
Anorith & Armaldo
Lileep & Cradily

[Piloswine Magnet]

Omastar is the evo. and they are relatively underused

[Superiore]

Just another 1, Noctowl.
Underused too and has part as the Bird FC I don't like that.

[TheFrozen]

Ditto is an underused pokémon. ^_~

[it_landry]

I think we'll all agree that you'll have to listen to me in the post right here:

If your tier is based soley on how often you see pokemon used, the tier will fail in the eyes of the general battler. I'm sure you could have a server full of people that use Arbok every day, but the fact of the matter is that a good, solid tier takes consideration of stats as well. For example, what if you never saw Salamence (although thats highly unlikely) except for once in a whole month? If you decided to use that as a basis for Salamence being UU or NU, you'd have a pokemon that would sweep both metagames and pretty much be broken. The key to a good metagame is to make sure things are balanced so no single pokemon gets a chance to screw the whole metagame.

i see what ya mean Synchronize... i know what your saying, the thinkg about that is, i don't have a real startegy for my list, my lists are made to throw off my opponents strategies... i give moves that my opponent won't expect... my best example is i game my dark type, i give them a psychic type attack to protect agaisnt fighters... if my pokemon has a weakness, you can be sure that i will have a counter messuare up my sleeve with out having to swap out, well that and suprises like the fact that my Muk is faster then most elctric types of 5+ his lvl... but for this list, i want to use the Pokèmon that you don't really ever see in use... just for a change of pace...

[Superiore]

Yeah, because on alot of pokemon attacks that are their type aren't ver effective.
And he copies their attacks so uless he has a lv. advantage he'd faint.

[it_landry]

Yeah, because on alot of pokemon attacks that are their type aren't ver effective.
And he copies their attacks so uless he has a lv. advantage he'd faint.

i don't really find that a weakness, they would lose most of thier effectiveness after the transformation...

[ChrisG14]

I think Azumarrill is very underused. It has some good defense, and with Huge Attack, it's attack is doubled. I used it alot in the Battle Frontier until I erased my game.

[it_landry]

I think Azumarrill is very underused. It has some good defense, and with Huge Attack, it's attack is doubled. I used it alot in the Battle Frontier until I erased my game.

well, so thats what it can have as an ability... hmm.....

[Ice demon]

=S
this thread is..odd.It'd seem that ur asking us for UU/BL pokemon, which really is a grand waste of time.You might as well just go to smogon and read their tier list.
One thing though, any discussion on under used or underrrated pokemon begs the question-
What exactly are your criteria for a pokemon to be UU/underrated?
usage or power or both?

Clarify that, and then i guess this thread may go somewhere.
Btw marowak = OU/BL.

[it_landry]

=S
this thread is..odd.It'd seem that ur asking us for UU/BL pokemon, which really is a grand waste of time.You might as well just go to smogon and read their tier list.
One thing though, any discussion on under used or underrrated pokemon begs the question-
What exactly are your criteria for a pokemon to be UU/underrated?
usage or power or both?

Clarify that, and then i guess this thread may go somewhere.
Btw marowak = OU/BL.

hehehe... yeah, i thought i said it straight forward.... guess i was wrong... i want to know which pokemon is commonly NOT used in teams, i want ideas for possible pokemon for a new list...

[Arsibiyez]

Well, actually, it is quite common for Pokes of a certain type to have a move that covers its weakness(es). An example of which is that dark Poke you mentioned. Though not always the case, battlers will have a move that hurts its weak-type, making it all the more versatile.

Example... The ever-popular OU Dugtrio. HP [Bug] will most likely be in its moveset since it works well against grass-types that it is weak against. Also, since Duggy is popular for going against OU Celebi who has a double-weak to Bug-type attacks.

Sacrificing STAB for versatility. It's a tactic that a lot of people will resort to for surprising and sneaky damage-doing. So it's not as unexpected as you might think.

Here's a fun example:

Slowking
- Earthquake (against electric)
- Fire Blast (against grass)
- Brick Break (against dark)
- Psychic / Surf (STAB, obviously.)

Refrain from using Ground- and Fighting-type moves in a single moveset as they are strong against similiar types (excluding Dark and Electric), but this is just an example, so it's okay.

[Alter Ego]

Well, actually, it is quite common for Pokes of a certain type to have a move that covers its weakness(es). An example of which is that dark Poke you mentioned. Though not always the case, battlers will have a move that hurts its weak-type, making it all the more versatile.

Example... The ever-popular OU Dugtrio. HP [Bug] will most likely be in its moveset since it works well against grass-types that it is weak against. Also, since Duggy is popular for going against OU Celebi who has a double-weak to Bug-type attacks.

Sacrificing STAB for versatility. It's a tactic that a lot of people will resort to for surprising and sneaky damage-doing. So it's not as unexpected as you might think.

Here's a fun example:

Slowking
- Earthquake (against electric)
- Fire Blast (against grass)
- Brick Break (against dark)
- Psychic / Surf (STAB, obviously.)

Refrain from using Ground- and Fighting-type moves in a single moveset as they are strong against similiar types (excluding Dark and Electric), but this is just an example, so it's okay.

That example sucks, actually. A STAB Surf from Slowking will do practically the same amount of damage against both Dark and Electric type pokes as an EQ or Brick Break will. Meanwhile you're splitting up attacks between physical and special (Thus causing a nasty division in EVs which isn't good for you) and completely neglecting Slowking's potential as a wall. Calm Mind, Thunder Wave, and Rest are all better options here than EQ and Brick Break. Also, Ice Beam is far more useful as a Grass type counter, and it handles dragon and flying types to boot. :O Fire attacks are there to counter steel.

Also, psychic attacks on non-psychic pokémon practically never pay off. All the Dark pokes that can learn psychic attacks (That would basically be Umbreon, Murkrow, Shiftry, and Absol) have no use for them as three (Umbreon, Absol, and Murkrow) lack the SAtk to make use of special moves and the last one, Shiftry, either goes sunnybeaming (In which case STAB Solarbeam and sunshine-boosted Hidden Power [Fire] are far more useful attacks, dealing nearly as much damage to psychic weaks and much more to all the types that Psychic can't touch) or goes with a mixed arsenal (In which moves like Explosion and Shadow Ball are far more valuable). Super effective doesn't automatically mean that it's a good idea, you know. -.-

[Synchronize]

I saw that you mentioned how often certain pokemon were used again. I really must stress that there is flaw in this, as you really can't tell how often a pokemon is really used. You'd have to take a huge world-wide poll to actually determine that, since you only battle a handful of people at a time. And what purpose would a tier serve to "throw off and opponent's strategy?" Making Alakazam UU because you might not see it used too often would throw off anyone's Strategy in the UU metagame, but in the end you'll just have people wanting it banned from that metagame. The same thing happened to Houndoom which is why it was moved up tp the Borderline tier, since barely iny pokemon could switch safely into it.

[Piloswine Magnet]

I saw that you mentioned how often certain pokemon were used again. I really must stress that there is flaw in this, as you really can't tell how often a pokemon is really used. You'd have to take a huge world-wide poll to actually determine that, since you only battle a handful of people at a time. And what purpose would a tier serve to "throw off and opponent's strategy?" Making Alakazam UU because you might not see it used too often would throw off anyone's Strategy in the UU metagame, but in the end you'll just have people wanting it banned from that metagame. The same thing happened to Houndoom which is why it was moved up tp the Borderline tier, since barely iny pokemon could switch safely into it.

So what you're saying is that this conversation is pointless to continue.

And nightlight, Slowbro sucks.

[Alter Ego]

So what you're saying is that this conversation is pointless to continue.

And nightlight, Slowbro sucks.

...

A pokémon with a base HP of 90, a base Defense of 110, a base SAtk of 100, and decent SDef which also has access to two STAB special moves and Calm Mind does most certainly not suck. There's a reason why Slowbro is considered a BL pokémon. With the right EVs and a few CMs under its belt it can wall virtually anything (CBed Bug attacks are a possible exception) and dish out large amounts of damage to boot. If you had ever faced a proper UU team with Slowbro on it you'd know better than to call it weak. But of course, you didn't know about Marowak's power either, so I assume that you haven't had a competitive battle in your life.

[Piloswine Magnet]

Yes, and I assume you spend all day just walking around asking people to battle you with a UU team

[Alter Ego]

Yes, and I assume you spend all day just walking around asking people to battle you with a UU team

No I don't, actually. Now could you please stop making irrelevant remarks every time you're proven wrong? -.-

[it_landry]

hehe... another point for this list i should have mentioned.... this is a list for my GBA game, not for on the netbattler...

[Piloswine Magnet]

hm...

Congratulations peabobo! You have failed to make one good suggestion
You are a confused person.

[it_landry]

who is a confused person?

[Alter Ego]

I should think that that would be obvious. Anyways, Slowbro is a borderline (Somewhere between OU and UU) so wherever you put it on your list is up to your judgement. It's a bit on the weak side around pokes like Salamence or Tyranitar, but meh...it can work there too, I guess.

[Piloswine Magnet]

Alter Ego is. checkthe forums. He's the only one who cant coexist peacefully with everyone else.

[it_landry]

.......... oh yay... my topic became an argument.... OI VEY

[Piloswine Magnet]

I'm gonna fix my ignore list a little bit.

[Alter Ego]

.......... oh yay... my topic became an argument.... OI VEY

Sorry about him (And sorry for being too much of an impatient person not to back off). I'll try to find some way to keep the hatred out of here. T_T

[it_landry]

thanks Alter, i appreciate that.

also, nice sig.

[Synchronize]

hehe... another point for this list i should have mentioned.... this is a list for my GBA game, not for on the netbattler...

I can't see how that would serve you. Is this for a purpose among your friends, or strictly your personal game file?

[it_landry]

I can't see how that would serve you. Is this for a purpose among your friends, or strictly your personal game file?

well it's for a battle between friends, and an un-offical tournament my friend is hosting... but if this list works, i will imitiate it on net battler... but it starts on the GBA... and also should have mentioned as well, the lvl limit is lvl 50s

[Synchronize]

It'd most likely get shunned on NetBattle, and I can see much trolling and spamming if you decide to do that, but do what you do. As far as these tiers, I don't think we'd be able to help you too much if its based on what you and your friends use.

[it_landry]

It'd most likely get shunned on NetBattle, and I can see much trolling and spamming if you decide to do that, but do what you do. As far as these tiers, I don't think we'd be able to help you too much if its based on what you and your friends use.

actually, it's nto based on what me and my friend use... i wanted advice as to which pokemon you all rarely see used... or just some random suggestions that would work... as well if there was some knowledge of what those who go to tournaments would normally not use... i like to throw my opponents off, and that is not limited to moves...

[Synchronize]

Well in-game you don't need tiers to throw off your opponents. Just make solid enough teams with varying pokemon every time and it should be fine. But as far as everything I dont see used so much, it basically follows the pre-existing tiers as found on Smogon and PokeRealm, save Entei, Articuno, and a few others from the OU tier.

To be honest, in-game, you just need to separate regular pokemon and legendaries from ubers and its all set.

[it_landry]

Well in-game you don't need tiers to throw off your opponents. Just make solid enough teams with varying pokemon every time and it should be fine. But as far as everything I dont see used so much, it basically follows the pre-existing tiers as found on Smogon and PokeRealm, save Entei, Articuno, and a few others from the OU tier.

To be honest, in-game, you just need to separate regular pokemon and legendaries from ubers and its all set.

i thank you Synchronize... umm... now where would i find the tiers, and the list of whats an ubber and what isn't?

[Synchronize]

smogon.com/rs/tiers <- Smogon Advance Tiers
pokerealm.net/tiers <- PokeRealm Advance Tiers

Both differ slightly, and for different reasons, but there's general similarity in both.

[it_landry]

*bows* thank you Synchhronize, but what about an ubber list?

[Synchronize]

the whole advance tier list includes Ubers, OUs, UUs, BLs, and NUs.

[it_landry]

thanks, i'll shall put it to good use. *bows*

[dude_dude]

I had a question I've been curious about while reading this thread. What is BL?

EDIT: nevermind I figured it out... Ummm.. Sweet thread landry! :D How about Absol?

[it_landry]

I had a question I've been curious about while reading this thread. What is BL?

EDIT: nevermind I figured it out... Ummm.. Sweet thread landry! :D How about Absol?

hmm... Absol.... yesss..... i think maybe i will useded absol in this list...

[Superiore]

Absol isn't under used.
most of my friends use Absol in their teams.

[Synchronize]

Absol is standardly UU.

based on wolf-link's post, you now see what I mean about people seeing some thing more used than others, right it-landry?

[Superiore]

You know amazingly I don't see Onix/Steelix in much teams.
You could use Onix or evolve it.

[Synchronize]

Onix is considered UE (unevolved) in the advance generations. Steelix is considered BL, though it should just be fully OverUsed.

[it_landry]

Absol is standardly UU.

based on wolf-link's post, you now see what I mean about people seeing some thing more used than others, right it-landry?

Yeah, i completely understand, i understood the first timedd ya said it t... i realize that, i mean my friend loves using Beedrills, so do i, they be fun.