Bad graphics? Bad construction? Bad game?

[acrof]

PBR is so jam-packed with moves and sounds and all this stuff that they don't have enough space to go massive on graphics either. We should be grateful that they've put so much into it and STILL has pretty decent graphics. They aren't amazing, for a reason!
I doubt.
If Stadium could handle 251 pokemon in 64 megabytes (memory capacity of a N64 cartridge) why cannot a DVD with 8.000 megabytes store more things in PBR?

Some will say: What about the shinies, and the gender differences, and the arenas?

1- Stadium 2 had 251 shinies too! Total of 502 3D models in a 64 megabytes cartridge.
Some will also think: But PBR models uses much more space than the ones in Stadium 2!
That can be true, but do the math:
PBR probly has 2 models for each pokemon (2 X 493= 986) Let´s put 100 more to the trainer´s models so in PBR we have < 1086 3D models.
Now if we divide the data storage of a DVD with the amount that fits in a N64 cartidge (8.000 / 64= 125) So a DVD can store 125 Stadium 2, right? So a DVD can store 62750 stadium 2 models. O.o
Even dividing that by 10 it would fit much more models in a DVD.

So we can conclude that: it´s just an excuse!

2- There´s no gender differences in PBR.

3- The arenas are actualy pretty small, just the main circle (where the pokemon battle) is really the arena, all the rest is an empty space fulfilled by visual effects (trees, sky, sun, etc)

If one day i buy this game I´ll extrac it´s .iso file just to see how much space it uses in a DVD.

[Cross]

2- There´s no gender differences in PBR.


Bull. I saw a Pikachu with an indent in it's tail before.

[fearow23]

What gets me mad about the game was the promise of destruction in the stages. It never happened. I watched movies on youtube over and over and never found any stage get destroyed by a Pokemon's move.

[ShadowTails]

I doubt.
If Stadium could handle 251 pokemon in 64 megabytes (memory capacity of a N64 cartridge) why cannot a DVD with 8.000 megabytes store more things in PBR?

Some will say: What about the shinies, and the gender differences, and the arenas?

1- Stadium 2 had 251 shinies too! Total of 502 3D models in a 64 megabytes cartridge.
Some will also think: But PBR models uses much more space than the ones in Stadium 2!
That can be true, but do the math:
PBR probly has 2 models for each pokemon (2 X 493= 986) Let´s put 100 more to the trainer´s models so in PBR we have < 1086 3D models.
Now if we divide the data storage of a DVD with the amount that fits in a N64 cartidge (8.000 / 64= 125) So a DVD can store 125 Stadium 2, right? So a DVD can store 62750 stadium 2 models. O.o
Even dividing that by 10 it would fit much more models in a DVD.
wrong, there are in actuality 276 models in Pokemon Stadium 2, 251 and 25 other Unowns, the shiny Pokemon are just different textures, and textures on the N64, not as advanced as they are today on other systems... and Models... they don't take up a whole lot of space, usually voicing and music takes up the most space in a game... so, you could literally have a few million models in a game, but still... I really don't see why Pokemon Company should make 493 brand new models... and then model everything else... as I said before, if you think those are bad, pay a visit to the majority of the rom hacks here.

[Te-em]

I played Dragon Quest to PS2 yesterday. It was cellshading. The characters looked somewhat 2D, but I wished Pokémon had that graphics.
I still wonder though, how can newer Pokémon games have less good graphics than old ones. BR is not that way, but Stadium looks better than Colloseum, actually.

[~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~]

Nintendo have always been more focused on gameplay. Pokemon games are known for their awesome gameplay



yea I agree with you on this one. Graphics aren't what Nintendo really focuses on



What gets me mad about the game was the promise of destruction in the stages. It never happened. I watched movies on youtube over and over and never found any stage get destroyed by a Pokemon's move.


also I agree with you as well. When a Pokemon uses dig or earthquake it just shows the side effect and then it dissappears. But this is Pokemon, it doesn't have to make sense


:t354:tatsujin gosuto

[Shiny Umbreon]

also I agree with you as well. When a Pokemon uses dig or earthquake it just shows the side effect and then it dissappears. But this is Pokemon, it doesn't have to make sense


:t354:tatsujin gosuto

You just said Nintendo doesn't focus on graphics and, well, it's true. Who needs good graphics when GameCube ones are more than acceptable? Still, I'm angry with some Pokémon being the N64 models, but other than that is alright.

[Faceless*]

hm PBR looks fine to me, but the video on an Arcanine... looks like they got that Arcanine graphic from Stadium.. and its horrible

[Te-em]

yea I agree with you on this one. Graphics aren't what Nintendo really focuses on


It's the Pokémon company that does not focus on graphics. Other Nintendo games have good graphics (especially Zelda and FF Crystal Cronicles).

[~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~]

hm PBR looks fine to me, but the video on an Arcanine... looks like they got that Arcanine graphic from Stadium.. and its horrible



I know that is what bugs me, you just pointed out another Fire type Pokemon that has not so well graphics. I think its just the fire types



:t354:tatsujin gosuto

[acrof]

I know that is what bugs me, you just pointed out another Fire type Pokemon that has not so well graphics. I think its just the fire types
No, I´ve seen Exeggutor and Slowbro with Stadium graphics too.

[~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~]

but those 2 POkemon dont look as bad as the fire types in my opinion


:t354:tatsujin gosuto

[Captain Arcane]

>_< In my opnion, the most disgraceful 3D pokemon in these large platform games is Ho-oh!!! Know Ho-oh is one of my favorite pokemon, mainly becuase its legend behind it is one of the best. But Just take a look at its feathers on top of its head.... THERE JUST ANGLES!!!! >_< And even the texture is horrible, you can see how it doesn't really fit on it because its stretched in a lot of areas. Know, this is only my opnion..... Huuuuuuuugh.....it just makes me really mad when I see it... Oh, and also, see, they remake Lugia, mainly because of Pokemon XD, but they couldn't remake its closest legend relative, Ho-oh! >_<

[acrof]

Yes the same goes to Charizard an Typhlosion, they remodeled Charizard, but Typhlosion...

[Shiny Umbreon]

It's kind of strange that Ho-oh wasn't remodeled. After all, it was redone for SSBM, though it didn't have the animations for a Pokémon game.

Is this graphic thing to release BR earlier. I heard so, and if that's the reason, it's a very stupid reason, really.

[Bombsey]

ROM hacks are made for fun.

PBR was made by professionals.

Big difference.

[wmoor0826]

I doubt.

If one day i buy this game I´ll extrac it´s .iso file just to see how much space it uses in a DVD.

And while you're doing this, y dont you redo the models with milkshape?

[Faltzer]

I am tired of people saying their is no storage system in the game. According to Serebii their is.
Source: http://www.serebii.net/archive/November-2006.shtml

And if Serebii mentions that the game will feature some adult game play, will you believe it? The only way to really verify this is by playing the game itself.

[pm3d]

I doubt.
If Stadium could handle 251 pokemon in 64 megabytes (memory capacity of a N64 cartridge) why cannot a DVD with 8.000 megabytes store more things in PBR?

I always thought the Wii DVD's were 4.7 GB? Ah well, I'm probably wrong. Well, hopefully all this stuff about graphics, etc. isn't true, and when it finally hits our shores, PBR turns out to be a giant hit. I sure hope to get it...

[acrof]

And while you're doing this, y dont you redo the models with milkshape?
:laugh: Some people like to test my patience.
Ok here go:
1- An .iso is the binary code of a game that almost every CD/DVD based videogame use, and can be executed by the system itself or a emulator (just like a GBA ROM) , in this case a Wii.

2-The same program used by Game Freak/Genius Sonority is needed to change anything in PBR´s ISO.

3-I need a Wii or a working emulator to test the results.

4- And finaly I would need a decent computer, because my old Pentium 2 can´t do very much for me at this moment.:P

And if Serebii mentions that the game will feature some adult game play, will you believe it?
Yes.
The only way to really verify this is by playing the game itself.
Or reading lot´s of reviews over the internet, watching videos, etc.

I always thought the Wii DVD's were 4.7 GB?
Just in some cases, but a Wii is able to run double layered DVDs with 8 GB or so.

[SBaby]

The thing people are seemingly ignoring here is this.

The game is on a next-gen system, arguably the most successful out of the three new systems thus far. So they should be tapping into the best graphics they possibly can. They should be pushing the Wii to its limits, seeing as this is one of Nintendo's signature games. But they didn't. And that's not the only problem.

The other big issue is the lack of a plot in this one. I mean, who in their right mind buys an RPG that has no plot?! Seriously. Plot is one of the biggest things RPG fans look for in a new game. And here, it just doesn't seem to be there.

It doesn't matter what some fanboys say about graphics and story 'not being everything'. There is no excuse for this. None.

Fans like me have been waiting for a Wii Pokemon game since the system came out, and this is what we're expecting now? Are you kidding?

I seriously hope something is done about this before the release date.


And if Serebii mentions that the game will feature some adult game play, will you believe it? The only way to really verify this is by playing the game itself.

Serebii is the biggest official Pokemon site on the Net. The thing is bigger than NSider. They get most, if not ALL of their inside information from Japan itself, and they have famous VAs, such as Maddie Blaustein (who voiced Meowth in the 4Kids dub of Pokemon) as REGULARS there. And they never post anything until they can verify it themselves. Not to mention they are the most reliable source for exposing hoax information on the net. Of course we'll believe what they say. ;D

[acrof]

The game is on a next-gen system, arguably the most successful out of the three new systems thus far. So they should be tapping into the best graphics they possibly can. They should be pushing the Wii to its limits, seeing as this is one of Nintendo's signature games. But they didn't.
I agree.

The other big issue is the lack of a plot in this one. I mean, who in their right mind buys an RPG that has no plot?! Seriously. Plot is one of the biggest things RPG fans look for in a new game. And here, it just doesn't seem to be there.
But the problem is that PBR is not a RPG, it´s considered a fighting game, and the "fan boys" use that as an extra excuse for PBR not having a story line.

Fans like me have been waiting for a Wii Pokemon game since the system came out, and this is what we're expecting now? Are you kidding?
That was the same thing I felt when I saw the finished game.

I seriously hope something is done about this before the release date.
Too late. It was released in Japan some months ago.

[GIVEMEDARKRAI]

Remember The English Versions Are Always Done Differently Just Wait Till That Comes Out

[SBaby]

But the problem is that PBR is not a RPG, it´s considered a fighting game, and the "fan boys" use that as an extra excuse for PBR not having a story line.


If it's supposed to be a fighting game, then they should cut the BS and MAKE it a freaking fighting game, instead of using the traditional turn-based RPG-battle scheme seen in the other games.

And even still, regardless of what fans label this game as, the genre of the game is Role-Playing. Otherwise, you wouldn't find it here (http://www.rpgamer.com/games/pokemon/pokemonwii/pokemonwii.html).

[ShadowTails]

ROM hacks are made for fun.

PBR was made by professionals.

Big difference.

I resent that comment... I've always felt anything has an art to it, and Rom Hacks... most of them look terrible, and yet people still go "Wow good graphics, or Nice hack." and the graphics look like pure total crap... Either they're really nice on the Rom hacking showcase, or they are blind... because 95% of those hacks need serious improvement. (I've noticed the majority of them all share tilesets...)

[Ho-oh arabia]

ROM hacks are made by professionals!!!!!! U try making a rom hacks. It takes a LONG time!!!!

[ShadowTails]

You try learning how to type properly in English, then you can try and insult me.

now for me to comment on your post...
ROM hacks are made by professionals!!!!!!Though I can tell you're being sarcastic, it really fails to make a point.

U try making a rom hacks. It takes a LONG time!!!!
OK, first it's "You try making a ROM Hack." and for your information I am making a ROM hack, and just like making nearly ANYTHING it takes a long time. But most ROM hacks here have no effort to them. I could go on and on, but it's not going to change anyones opinion on the game.

Now, as far as Pokemon Battle Revolution goes, in my opinion, I could probably say that it was a little lazy of Pokemon Company. But, I know for one that I wouldn't want to have to remodel everything over again, make 100 so new models, then model a bunch of freaking arenas and trainers and junk. You try making a 3D model, it's no walk in the park either.

[acrof]

Remember The English Versions Are Always Done Differently Just Wait Till That Comes Out
?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Different? No, they just translate it.

But, I know for one that I wouldn't want to have to remodel everything over again, make 100 so new models, then model a bunch of freaking arenas and trainers and junk. You try making a 3D model, it's no walk in the park either.
Not all of them, but they should have remodeled at last the entire first and second generation.
And besides now they have high technology on their side, including scanners that can scan a real life object and transform
it into a 3D model.
For creating 3D models they can scan a sculpture of a pokémon and create a 3D model with it in some hours.

[Bishopk]

including scanners that can scan a real life object and transform
it into a 3D model.
For creating 3D models they can scan a sculpture of a pokémon and create a 3D model with it in some hours.
Awesome! I so want one! I didn't think that would be possible for another five or ten years! When did they get this?

[Faltzer]

ROM hacks are made by professionals!!!!!! U try making a rom hacks. It takes a LONG time!!!!

First, know what you're talking about before you assume. Game Maker (http://www.gamemaker.nl) is MUCH more complicated than ROM hacking. And your "professionals" also result to be beginners attempting to develop games by the use of pre-made resources. <_<;

[SBaby]

Since when did this topic turn into one about ROM hacks? I thought it was supposed to be about Battle Revolution...

[halfling2]

If anyone still wants to say anything about the square pokeball, I've seen things in architecture that represent a circular object but are square for some reason. I'm pretty sure it's an implement that's been around since humans first learned to carve.

I'm also slightly happy that they are using the old 3D models but upgrading them with new textures and stuff. If you think that Pokeveterans "deserve more", why don't you consider we're getting something called nostalgia? I personally can't wait to see Poliwhirl flexing while awaiting orders once again. It'll bring back memories.

[acrof]

Awesome! I so want one! I didn't think that would be possible for another five or ten years! When did they get this?It was created long ago (I think when they were creating
TOY STORY 1), and it´s incredibly expensive, only big companies can afford one.

I'm also slightly happy that they are using the old 3D models but upgrading them with new textures and stuff.
No, the ones that weren´t remodeled are still using the same 3D models AND THE SAME TEXTURES.

why don't you consider we're getting something called nostalgia?
I have considered that and a lot more.
Why burn your money with a Wii and PBR if you can get nostalgia playing Stadium 2 in a N64? XD

I personally can't wait to see Poliwhirl flexing while awaiting orders once again. It'll bring back memories.
Now I got it.
Let me explain, you are talking about the animations, the animations are just the same for the old pokémon (that´s why a Poliwhirl will flex it´s body while awaiting orders).
I´m not against this, I´m against the FACT that some pokemons are using the same 3D models from 9 years ago, Nintendo 64 models in a Wii game.
This means that the new pokemons will get amazing models and textures, but the old ones will be full of sharp corners.

[mr_plow92]

I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

*There´s no storage system

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I hope the next Pokemon release they change these details...
It´s not as good as I spected...
What do you think?
What is Wrong with you? I just went on Youtube and I watched a video. I loved I can't wait for this game to come out and I'm very excited about it.

[furix]

Actually, the game looks great.

[acrof]

What is Wrong with you?
I´m fine thanks
I just went on Youtube and I watched a video.
So you probably noticed this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/2.jpg

this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/typhlosion.jpg

and this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/arcanine.jpg

Seriously, you should pay more attention to these "details".

[Bishopk]

Image 1: Intentional
Image 2: Intentional
Image 3: Intentional
Image 4: Intentional
Image 5: lol, you think that's a problem? Get over it. No, it's not porygon, so it doesn't need them angles, but it's real minor imo.

[Cross]

Ohemgee. I had no idea minor graphics were SUCH a big problem. =O

Here, Acrof.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u238/Yutss/Knife.jpg

Here's a knife. Kill yourself with it, because life is so awful all because of Arcanines square feet, disappearing Pokeballs, Typhlosions fire spikes (Which are intended) and PokeHexgons.

[Martin Yiu]

Umm... First offending Nintendo, then blaming ROM-hackers and fan game makers, then the post above me, which could be posted much sooner to prevent this sad end.

Let's explain something:

ROM-hacking: Modifying data of GBA cartidge Read-Only Memory to get different look, interact in alternate ways and this can be done in many ways. From HEX-editing along with using tools and combining the techniques to get professional-looking result.

Fan game making: Building the PC/Mac game inspired by some well-known formats like Pokémon, from zero, using quite similar game system and (but not in all cases) graphics and final goals.

Blaming someone for minor details, which, in most cases, were meant to be the way they are: Something which can really change thinking about a certain person.

Now something to the thread maker.
I won't flame you. You aren't worth of it. I just tell you, that you might act like intelligent, but the problem is in the other place than in talking. Where, it's up to you.

After this post, I ask the thread maker to not send me offensing PMs and not to bother me anywhere.

Wish you all nice day/night.

[Trace]

I'm actually agreeing with all this proof now..

PBR is supposed to be a major game for battling right? If they have no story, I think it gives them enough time to redo graphics.

And in Nintendo power, it said 30(or 32, I can't remember) trainers with 6 pokemon would be storable.

But yes, Game Freak/Nintendo are VERY lazy.

[PurityForest]

PBR really has good Graphics to me. Although, No Story Mode. But, it's still a must have Game as stated by others. :D

[wakachamo]

Just for some people's note, Game Freak doesn't develop the home console Pokémon Games, Genius Sonority does.

[HoundoomOfTheDarkness]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

I can't believe no one's gotten this yet. That's not a hexagon. It's an octogon. It's got 8 sides. A hexagon has six.

I love correcting people mistakes. Anyway, I'm fine with PBR as long as you can battle people who aren't on your friends list with wi-fi.

[kohei]

Actually if you bother looking at any play videos on Youtube, you sorta realize that people aren't complaining and actually enjoying fighting random people on wi-fi.

I mean, Genius Sonority can't come up with good storylines even if they tried and mediocre graphics are their forte, so why not pick up the game and try to enjoy what you're given?

However I'd like to complain about the removal of the Multi-battle function please. I know, I'm acting like a hypocrite.

[Ichaste Pekoni]

Once again, I said I'd stay out, but I have to say this:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

I can't believe no one's gotten this yet. That's not a hexagon. It's an octogon. It's got 8 sides. A hexagon has six.

I love correcting people mistakes. Anyway, I'm fine with PBR as long as you can battle people who aren't on your friends list with wi-fi.

Count again. There're actually NINE sides. I also love correcting people's mistakes :).

Oh, one more thing:

Calm down, it's just my perspective, and if don't agree with me, that's not my problem.

If that was the case, then you wouldn't have argued about it for the past 10 pages.

[roxas123]

There is only one thing in the entire PBR graphic system that really dissapoints me. Typhlosions fire spikes are infact horrible but thats not enough to get me to not buy it. I can't wait to play against my friends!

[Zyph]

Once again, I said I'd stay out, but I have to say this:



Count again. There're actually NINE sides. I also love correcting people's mistakes :).



Umm... completely ignoring the fact that it's a 3D object.



Arcof is being a whiny little kid. Heatran, that was just uncalled for.

It's NOT A FREAKING RPG!! Get over it! IT'S NOT A STANDALONE GAME!! Get over that as well; if you don't have D/P, this game is not for you.

Typhlosion's flame spikes are INTENTIONAL. They're like jets of flame that come out of his back. If they were made of the same fire that Charizard's tail had, THEY WOULDN'T BE SPIKES NOW WOULD THEY.

I'm taking a 3D modeling class at UCSD. It's hard stuff. Seriously, to all of you complaining, I'd like to see you make a red-done Arcanine. No? That's what I thought.

[Katsume]

I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

*There´s no storage system

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I hope the next Pokemon release they change these details...
It´s not as good as I spected...
What do you think?


It does look like a hexagon, doesn't it... Maybe they forgot to edit it out or something.

[Prons]

Is it just me, or is the game pretty much usless if you don't own a DS?

[acrof]

acrof is being a whiny little kid. Heatran, that was just uncalled for.

No, I´m just realist, how can a multi milionary company not be able to remodel N64 3D models?
Also, they´ve got extra time to do that because they didn´t work on a story mode or mini-games, and besides it´s not one 3D modeler working alone it´s a whole (well paid) team of 3D moders

Typhlosion's flame spikes are INTENTIONAL.
NO THEY ARE NOT!
IT´S NOT INTETIONAL BECAUSE IT´S THE SAME 3D MODEL FROM STADIUM 2, I WOULD RECOGNIZE IT ANYWHERE.
Even typhlosion´s flame being supposed to have spikes they could have redone it aswell.

[Cross]

IT´S NOT INTETIONAL
Even typhlosion´s flame being supposed to have spikes they could have redone it aswell.

Wow. You don't get it, do you?

Cyndaquil and Quilava resemble small porcupines. When they eventually evolve into Typhlosion, they keep the spikes from being "porcupines".

I rest my case. Now shut up about the fire spikes.


Edit: Also tell me how they couldv'e improved the fire spikes. Should they've made them rounder?

[acrof]

They can give it a new texture, that looks like fire, instead of a red and yellow piece of PAPER.
Also it´s not only the flames, the whole pokemon model is square, the same from Stadium 2.

[Cross]

But what if that's what they were intended to be, no? THIN fire spikes? Or should they look like some hokey spikes torn off of Bowsers evil castle?

[acrof]

I will explain what they are doing to explain what they should do.
This:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/textura.jpg(or something similar) is the texture they are using now, outdated, and don´t have any 3D to it.
So when they put this texture in typhlosion´s 3D model, this texture will get the flames shape, like this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/fogo.jpg

But, if they change the original texture for another one more realistic, like this one:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/fogo2.jpg
The final result would be more realist aswell:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/fogo3.jpg

[Bishopk]

Ooh, diagrams! Yeah... I don't see a large enough difference to make me make a thread about it.

[Ichaste Pekoni]

...Okay, I've played the game, and I have to say: acrof is an overreacting kid. The graphics are fine, if not better. Most are greatly improved compared to the GCN models.

Oh, and I checked on some of these things that acrof has been bugging us about:

Typhlosion's model...not a big deal.

"Disappearing" Pokeball...actually doesn't disappear. Check for yourself.

Pokeball in background...I haven't noticed yet.

[RSL]

Not only that, Arcanine WAS redone, as well as Pidgeot.

Not only that, it seems that every Pogey was redone JUST FOR THIS GAME, so...

Please do the mods a favor and let them lock this, plz.

[acrof]

Typhlosion's model...not a big deal.
Only if it´s not your favorite pokémon.

"Disappearing" Pokeball...actually doesn't disappear. Check for yourself.

I have to agree, it´s true.

Not only that, Arcanine WAS redone, as well as Pidgeot.

Would you mind to post a pic then? :badsmile: :P
(and I´m not talking about light effects, I know that they are using this effect to hide the bad quality of the old models, I want to see the remodeled 3D models of them)

[M.I.A]

doesnt really matter,does it? its an old gae and theres many more newer ones to play.

[acrof]

One thing that bugs me is: why to protect such game?
Sometime ago, I was amazed at the preview of PBR released by Nintendo, but after some research I found that this game is a
Stadium without Gyms and mini-games, but with wi-fi, new pokemon, and better looking graphics.

I tought: "They must be kidding! This game is not half of what they showed in the preview!"
Where´s the arena destruction?
The Story Mode?
The mini-games?
The storage system?
Any feature using the wii-mote?

I can see that most of people here are trying to protect PBR, and probably because it´s a pokémon game (saddly I used to do that too :P).
But try to keep in mind that pokemon´s battle style is from a RPG, but PBR is not an RPG, it´s a fighting game. (or should I say that PBR is a pokemon RPG without a story line?)
Pokemon is not only about battle you know?
However pokemon battles are the best part of pokemon IMO, but pokemon is not only that, I still love Gold and Silver because those were RPGs that gave me the sensation of being in the hero´s place, the same goes to Diamond and Pearl.

Also, "to release it faster" is not an excuse for removing all the promised features they showed in the first interview (with the first preview). Mario Galaxy, and Smash Bros Brawl were not rushed to be released, they were announced almost at the same time that PBR was, but they are still in development, and I´m sure the results will be awesome because they are working hard on them.

[Ichida]

It all boils down to one fact: If you aren't going to buy this game either because you don't have the Wii or you feel like picking PBR apart for every little this-and-that, then the answer is simple: don't play. Leave us who are satisfied with PBR for what it is to reap each others' teams.

[Zyph]

Yeah, a lot of the models are in fact not redone since Colosseum.

The animations for the Pokemon have stayed the same since Colosseum, and Jigglypuff's animation has not changed since Stadium.

I'm a little disappointed that there isn't much to do besides battle to get points to pimp out your trainer.

Graphics are fine, though.

[acrof]

It all boils down to one fact: If you aren't going to buy this game either because you don't have the Wii or you feel like picking PBR apart for every little this-and-that, then the answer is simple: don't play. Leave us who are satisfied with PBR for what it is to reap each others' teams.

There is one little problem:
One of my hobbies is to finish pokemon games!
I will buy and will play it, someday, but I´m not satisfied with what I´m going to do, and I´m not afraid to say that this game really disapointed me in almost every way possible.
I stopped to protect this kind of game, just because it´s a pokemon game.

[ThatInsaneKid]

I hate stupid people.

And therefore, by property of association, I greatly dislike you at the moment, Arcof.

So.

Let's analyze your last rant-post.

One thing that bugs me is: why to protect such game?
Sometime ago, I was amazed at the preview of PBR released by Nintendo, but after some research I found that this game is a
Stadium without Gyms and mini-games, but with wi-fi, new pokemon, and better looking graphics.
THIS. IS. NOT. STADIUM. It's not SUPPOSED to have Gyms. Or MiniGames.

I tought: "They must be kidding! This game is not half of what they showed in the preview!"
Where´s the arena destruction?

Yes, this disappointed me, too. But it's not that big of a deal. Calm down, you brat.

The Story Mode?
IT'S. A. FREAKING. BATTLING GAME. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A FULL FLEDGED RPG.

The mini-games?
Not a remake of Stadium... It's NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEM!

The storage system?
Does in fact exist. You copy the Pokemon from your copy of D/P, and those Pokemon go into boxes that you use when creating the trainer cards.

Any feature using the wii-mote?
I have a question for you. Did "Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time" use the touch screen? No. So why does every single Wii game have to use the motion sensory? It uses the Wiimote as a pointer. That's all it needs to be used as.

I can see that most of people here are trying to protect PBR, and probably because it´s a pokémon game (saddly I used to do that too ).
But try to keep in mind that pokemon´s battle style is from a RPG, but PBR is not an RPG, it´s a fighting game. (or should I say that PBR is a pokemon RPG without a story line?)
Pokemon is not only about battle you know?'
Yeah, Pokemon is generally about catching, training and battling Pokemon to eventually battle the E4 and become Champion. Afterwards, the goal is to catch/see every single Pokemon. But Pokemon BATTLE REVOLUTION has a different focus. Using your Pokemon you caught in D/P to battle your friends and other people from all over the world. It's NOT a traditional Pokemon game.

However, pokemon battles are the best part of pokemon IMO, but pokemon is not only that, I still love Gold and Silver because those were RPGs that gave me the sensation of being in the hero´s place, the same goes to Diamond and Pearl.
See my above point.

Also, "to release it faster" is not an excuse for removing all the promised features they showed in the first interview (with the first preview). Mario Galaxy, and Smash Bros Brawl were not rushed to be released, they were announced almost at the same time that PBR was, but they are still in development, and I´m sure the results will be awesome because they are working hard on them.
The only problem with your statement is that Mario Galaxy and SSBB are bigger games with a bigger fanbase. Mario Galaxy is an RPG/adventure game, so it also takes longer to make than a game like PBR. Brawl is supposed to be loaded with characters, stages, items, final smashes, etc. that all take a lot of time to complete. Also, both games are going to be using more functions of the Wiimote. It's only natural that they're going to take much longer to complete.

The end.

Now. My opinion is that PBR is a great game. The graphics are great from what I've seen, the attacks are a lot more detailed ((SolarBeam = LOVE!!)), and the different stadiums ((all with different rules once you beat them for the first time)) and trainer customization are a nice treat.

The end. Furreal.

[pokepoke]

I feel like this:

It's a great game no doubt, it's solid, but I also think they could of done more to it to make it better. They should of added maybe a mini-game section or something, added more surprises, like the change to get the special items to get the 3 Event pokemon Darkrai, Shaymin and Arceus, but overall it's still a good game. I'd give it a 7/10.

That's just my opinion.

[NocturnLeader]

Nintendo Power gave it a 6.5 and I agree with them, its got its ups and downs, but it does what it is supposed to do. Entertain you for hours, battle people online and see pokemon in 3d on the big screen.
Just wish there was a bit more to do in the game, like transfer pokemon to your game that you can win once you beat a certain place 6 times.

[acrof]

Either you're an elitist or a pessimist
overreacting kid
stupid people...property of association...Acrof
you brat
I see that some people like to give me names, so I want o ask:
Aren't you able to provoke me in another way?
Cause, you know, that really doesn't work.
And I'm sure that if I start to use this same strategy with you,
you'll say that I'm flaming you, etc.
I won't do this because if I start to flame you and the game you insist to protect, both at same time, you'll probably go insane.

BACK TO THE TOPIC:
So if PBR's objective is to battle, why not use a different battle system, something like a smash bros battle system?
And I know what are you going to say: "THAT'S NOT THE STYLE OF POKEMON!!!11"

And here's my answer:
Pokemon has not a style!
Are Snap, Dash, Trozei, Ranger, Pinball, etc, standard pokemon games?
No, Nintendo/GameFreak is always creating something new, and different, so if they wanted to create a pure pokemon fighting game they should have done it without the RPG style battle.

Then some will say: " IT WILL TAKE TOO MUCH TIME TO FINISH THIS KIND OF GAME, LET THEY RELEASE A POOR GAME FASTER, BECAUSE I CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY POLKAMON!!!!11"

Well, what can I say?
If you can't wait a whole year to get the most amazing game of your favorite franchise, then stay with the rushed-and-made-only-to-sell games.

[ThatInsaneKid]

Once again, flawed logic makes a great opprotunity for people to prove it wrong. Although I commend you on the fact that there's only one problem with your last post.

But before I do that...

You see, if you were quote "flaming me", I really wouldn't care. I don't care what anybody says. You really shouldn't care, either.

And now, back to my purpose for posting.

So if PBR's objective is to battle, why not use a different battle system, something like a smash bros battle system?
And I know what are you going to say: "THAT'S NOT THE STYLE OF POKEMON!!!11"

And here's my answer:
Pokemon has not a style!
Are Snap, Dash, Trozei, Ranger, Pinball, etc, standard pokemon games?
No, Nintendo/GameFreak is always creating something new, and different, so if they wanted to create a pure pokemon fighting game they should have done it without the RPG style battle.

Point taken. However, if you notice, Stadium, which is the BASIS of this game ((NOTE: I said basis. Which does not in any way, shape, or form mean that PBR is a remake.)) also uses the traditional battle system. Why would they take the time and money to make a real time battle system ala Smash Bros, which would take a lot more time and money to create, and might not sell as much as a game with the traditional battle system would, when they can make a game with the traditional battle system and know it's going to sell fairly well?

And a 493-character real time fighting game? Highly improbable.

[Cross]

I see that some people like to give me names, so I want o ask:
Aren't you able to provoke me in another way?
Cause, you know, that really doesn't work.
And I'm sure that if I start to use this same strategy with you,
you'll say that I'm flaming you, etc.
I won't do this because if I start to flame you and the game you insist to protect, both at same time, you'll probably go insane.


It sounds more like innocent trolling. You seem to have a fun time going on 10 pages with your opinion of silly disappearing Pokeballs and fire spikes.

So the graphics aren't PS3 style. Big deal. It's nothing to go on for over 10 pages about. The way you whine like a small 5 year old is ASKING for flaming. If I made a thread like this, I'd want to die seeing all the irratation I've caused people.

And FYI, I got it, and I think it's so much fun, the graphics aren't even a bother to me.

Also, would you kindly tell me what makes PBR not a RPG? The inability of walking around?

[Jirachi3]

Heatran, what makes it not an rpg is just that. Its not a role playing game. Its pretty much a $50 way to use your d/p game on the big screen to battle random people...

[acrof]

And a 493-character real time fighting game? Highly improbable.

Maybe, but they should try it someday, Smash Bros is so much fun,
and a pokemon game using such features would attract people from both fan bases (pokemon, real time fighting games).
They have the 3D models ready, and it don't have to have all 493 pokemon, they should do like Digimon Rumble Arena (only the ones that are cool, or the most used would enter), also if "graphics don't mean anything" they could make it faster but with less realism than SSB Brawl, to release it faster.

You seem to have a fun time going on 10 pages with your opinion of silly disappearing Pokeballs and fire spikes.

So the graphics aren't PS3 style. Big deal. It's nothing to go on for over 10 pages about. The way you whine like a small 5 year old is ASKING for flaming. If I made a thread like this, I'd want to die seeing all the irratation I've caused people.

Do you know why this thread is like this now?
Because I started something that anybody here probably saw before:
A pokemon fan complaining about a pokemon game! (A big one, not something like pinball)

And if this thread is causing so much irratation to you (I mean, everybody), why do you insist to reply my posts?
Because you have the feeling that you must protect this game, and/or are afraid that some people won't buy it, because of what I'm doing.
Also, I'm not the only one complaining about something in this game, through all the pages of this thread I found people that
had a complaint here or there, I just put everything together.

Also, would you kindly tell me what makes PBR not a RPG? The inability of walking around?

3 things tha can be found in every RPG:
*Story Line.
*Characters that can be level trained.
And at last but not least:
*The sum of everything in a RPG must give the player the sensation of being in the hero's place.

PBR don't have the first one, so even summing everything you got in it, you won't make PBR a RPG.

Its pretty much a $50 way to use your d/p game on the big screen to battle random people...
Best definition ever! XD

[Ichaste Pekoni]

Do you know why this thread is like this now?
[S-HIGHLIGHT]Because I started something that anybody here probably never saw before:
A pokemon fan complaining about a pokemon game![/S-HIGHLIGHT] (A big one, not something like pinball)

Actually, yes I have. Quite a few times, as a matter of fact, which makes me laugh at you for that statement. The reason that the thread is like this now is because you insist on complaining, when most of your complaints aren't even true. Even then, the only one that might be true (the Typhlosion & Arcanine thing) translates in my mind to you whining about your favorite Pokemon and how it isn't exactly how YOU want it.

[acrof]

Actually, yes I have. Quite a few times, as a matter of fact, which makes me laugh at you for that statement. The reason that the thread is like this now is because you insist on complaining, when most of your complaints aren't even true. Even then, the only one that might be true (the Typhlosion & Arcanine thing) translates in my mind to you whining about your favorite Pokemon and how it isn't exactly how YOU want it.
What makes me different from any pokemon fan?
95% of my favorite pokemons were forgotten in this game, they just Ctrl-C Ctrl-V them (copy and paste) in PBR, what kind of fan would like to see that?
And besides I wonder if you would like to see almost every favorite pokemon you have, the same same way I'm seeing mine.
It's not only me complaining about something in this game, my original complaint was that my favorite pokemon (Typhlosion, Arcanine, Pidgeot, Lugia, etc) were the same found in Stadium, then someone posted that he didn't like the lack of a story mode, then I included this complaint in my first post, and so go on.....
(note that I have removed the pokeball vanishing problem from my first post, because you said and I confirmed that it wasn't true)
So let's do like this:
Prove that everything in my first post is wrong and I'll ask for a moderator to close this thread, ok?
Wich I think it's only possible when PBR become the ultimate pokemon game.

Also, I like pokemon since 1997 (I'm 17 now), and I don't like the new pokemon the way I like the old ones, so don't say to me: "But the new ones are amazing" because the old ones, the ones that I (and probably every veteran) like most, are horrible.

[Bishopk]

There's so much room for improvement, but so much has been gained. Let's all agree to disagree and have our opinions.

[от_Ian]

Nintendo Power is quoted as saying that the game has some of the best graphics on the Wii.

[Ichida]

Yeah, some people are just content *****ing about their particular favorites not getting as much of a re-hash in their models as some other Pokemon. Suck it up, people, it's not like they're about to recall the game so they can make Typhlosion's head flame look less papery.

[от_Ian]

No, they're not going to recall the game, but you'd imagine that for 50 bucks you'd get a complete game.

[Ichida]

It's complete enough for me and most of the real battling community. :)

[Always and Never]

Plus, how would you make fire that never moves look realistic?

How come in the sprites it is like that?

How come in the anime it is like that?

It's nintendo's creature and maybe it's key ingredient is its synthetic looking fire. IMO, Typhlosion would look queer with fire moving around his neck and above him. It's perfectly fine as it is.

[Cross]

Also, I like pokemon since 1997 (I'm 17 now), and I don't like the new pokemon the way I like the old ones, so don't say to me: "But the new ones are amazing" because the old ones, the ones that I (and probably every veteran) like most, are horrible.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u238/Yutss/zx34ckcfex6msdi6clfkdxylw8.jpg

Shut up and enjoy the game, please.

[Siigari]

Sounds like the Whine-O-Meter is off the charts here.

Sure I'm a little disappointed with some of the stuff like some of the models being from older generation games, but it's nostalgic and overall the game feels like it's worth $50.

I'm a happy panda *n.n*

[acrof]

Nintendo Power is quoted as saying that the game has some of the best graphics on the Wii.
The same goes to Sony, that keep saying things like:
"PS3 has more originality than the Wii." :laugh:
"PSP sells more than the DS Lite.":laugh:
Let's wait for Super Smash Bros Brawl and Super Mario Galaxy to see.

it's not like they're about to recall the game so they can make Typhlosion's head flame look less papery.
There´s another way, besides the recall!
You, that probably have a Wii to play PBR, should know that you can get a upgrade through download in the system´s back-up memory. I belive a completely redone 3D model would use 3 megabytes from Wii´s 500 megabytes HD. (and besides it could be optional, also, you could store it in a 2GB SD card, wich is really cheap nowadays)

It's nintendo's creature and maybe it's key ingredient is its synthetic looking fire. IMO, Typhlosion would look queer with fire moving around his neck and above him. It's perfectly fine as it is.
I have draw it before, with realist fire, (you know, it´s my favorite so I keep drawing it every time), all I can say is that typhlosion is amazing with realist fire around his neck, the fire is like...
fur, but looks like hair, gives you the sensation that typhlosion became a super sayajin or something like that. XD
(Let me get money to buy a scanner, and I´ll show you)

Shut up and enjoy the game, please.
Keep dreaming kid.
("shut up" and "please" in the same sentence?!:laugh::laugh::laugh:)

[Pogiforce-14]

Let me inject my views on this conversation, what bit of it I read, and of the game:

Firstly, in case this was not addressed, to the trainer who said BR does not have a storage system, It uploads ALL your boxes AND your party to your BR file. EVEN your eggs. Can't get much better storage than that. Graphically, the pokemon are impressive. The stadiums are excellent, the models are smoother, true they aren't too realistic looking, but since when has pokemon been realistic? I think if we got realistic, Scyther's arms would be coated in blood and guts by now. At least you get to see them hit each other now.

The complaints about the limitations on the trainer design? I'm impressed simply from the fact that the Muscle Men look biologically accurate, instead of upside Pyramids like from Colloseum and XD. The trainers have enough variety to satisfy me. six different major models, three skin tones for each model, and a lot of clothing options you can mix and match. when before everyone looked exactly the same in player vs. player. that makes me happy. and the fact that you can now choose your player title, AND what your trainer says? Superb.

I admit I was looking for more of a story, but I'm pleased with what I got. Ten or so colloseums, 15+ different ways to battle, rental passes that you can mix and swap so that they never go dull, the multitude of things you can do just for battling puproses alone, staggering. And the Mystery Gifts? Items, most of them really excellent, that you can send to DP? True, they're also incredibly expensive, but They're worth it. And the fact that you get a free surfing pikachu holding a lightball just for beating the game? awesome.

As for Wifi mode, I had no real problems with Wifi beyond noobs with their legendary teams. The fact that I can spontaneously decide I want to battle wifi and have opponents available whom I did not prearrange a meeting with I like. battling random trainers is what I like. Having to arrange for a battle over wifi via swapping friends codes and such, like in DP, is too much hassle for someone who flies by the seat of their pants like me.

So in short, a great game, quit griping, you remind me of those star fox people who say "But it's not Starfox64!" That I hate so much, and enjoy the game. It's better than stadiums 1 and 2, it's better than colloseum and XD in terms of actual battle and appearance, so just buy the game.

[ThatInsaneKid]

*grabs some 50 Calibur Aspirin in case of emergency*

Thank you, Heatran! :DDD

----

The same goes to Sony, that keep saying things like:
"PS3 has more originality than the Wii."
"PSP sells more than the DS Lite."
Let's wait for Super Smash Bros Brawl and Super Mario Galaxy, then see.

You're missing the point. All companies brag about their products... But they're not always right. *nods at quotes from Sony*

However.

Nintendo Power isn't from Nintendo themselves. It's from people who are Nintendo fans, who made a magazine for Nintendo products. Therefore, the statement "PBR has some of the best graphics on the Wii" is purely customer opinion. Not Nintendo bragging.

Any by the way, Brawl and Galaxy may be better than PBR... But they're not out yet, so nobody can really judge. So shut up.

I have drawn it before, with realistic fire, (you know, it´s my favorite so I keep drawing it every time), all I can say is that Typhlosion is amazing with realistic fire around his neck, the fire is like fur, but looks like hair, gives you the sensation that Typhlosion became a Super Sayan or something like that. XD
(Let me get money to buy a scanner, and I´ll show you.)

Oh. So you've drawn YOUR version of Typhlosion, with realistic fire. I've drawn MY version of Link a thousand times, and he's ended up with a totally different outfit, and would hardly be called the designers' idea of Link. Same concept with YOUR Typhlosion. Unless the Pokemon concept art team draws a Typhlosion with realistic fire and they like it, they're going to keep it the way it is. THEY are the judge when it comes down to "how good does _________ look with _______".

Also, I've likedn pokemon since 1997 (I'm 17 now), and I don't like the new pokemon the way I like the old ones, so don't say to me: "But the new ones are amazing" because the old ones, the ones that I (and probably every veteran) like most, are horrible.

One person's opinion. I, for one, who has played at least one game in each generation and has also liked Pokemon since it first came out, really like the fourth generation of Pokemon. And as for the old ones being "horrible", I think they all look fine. Arcanine? Sure, his paws aren't the greatest, but it's not like he hasn't been seriously improved from his 3D debut in Stadium. All of the models are absolutely stellar compared to their previous ones. Please. Pleeeeeeassee. PLEEEEAAASSSEEE STOP COMPLAINING.

[daycare lady]

I like pokemon since 1997, and now I´m 16 years old, I think Nintendo don´t get the idea:
Pokemon fans are getting older...
I would love to see some kick ass features, the pokemon smash bros idea is great!:cool:

You are not the only Pokefan in the World !!! Some kid of 5 years old love pokemon !!!

[Cross]

You are not the only Pokefan in the World !!! Some kid of 5 years old love pokemon !!!

That just severely delivered a blow to us older kids who play it. You gave him a good opportune moment to flame us. Don't do it again.

[acrof]

Arcanine? Sure, his paws aren't the greatest, but it's not like he hasn't been seriously improved from his 3D debut in Stadium. All of the models are absolutely stellar compared to their previous ones.
I just pointed the paws of arcanine, but the entire models of those I pointed out are the same from stadium, I swear it´s the same.
I could waste time getting more pics of the ones i pointed out and even some more, but I think that´s not necessary to prove anything.

You are not the only Pokefan in the World !!! Some kid of 5 years old love pokemon !!!
You for example.

[Pogiforce-14]

They are not the same. Simply put. I can look at them and tell right off the bat. smoother, less blocky, better. Swear all you want, you're wrong.

[sims796]

Look, your all staring to sound like fanboys. Graphics in games are imporant. If my $250 NEXT-GEN SYSTEM Pokemon looks choppy and blocky, then there's a problem. I still think that the game is great, and I also say that it looks great, but it coud look better.

I think its worth the money, but if graphics are a deciding factor to some people, so be it.


One person's opinion. I, for one, who has played at least one game in each generation and has also liked Pokemon since it first came out, really like the fourth generation of Pokemon. And as for the old ones being "horrible", I think they all look fine. Arcanine? Sure, his paws aren't the greatest, but it's not like he hasn't been seriously improved from his 3D debut in Stadium. All of the models are absolutely stellar compared to their previous ones. Please. Pleeeeeeassee. PLEEEEAAASSSEEE STOP COMPLAINING.

Imaging if they had the same graphics then. That would not be acceptable on Next Gen. I don't care about the graphics, but there still nice.

[Always and Never]

If you buy the game just to see what the graphics are like, nintendo doesn't care. You still bought it meaning you gave them fifty dollars.

Why do you even care that a pokeball is a hexagon or that a pokeball disapears. PBR is for the battling, not effing Playstation 3.

Nintendo even realeased this as there main thing.

"It's not about power, or graphics, or how real you can get it. What counts about a game is originality."

[Mizer]

Hey Kids, shut up about graphics. Damn you are far too whiny. Nintendo made the decision to not make graphics a priority because they know that GFX doesn't make the game. Just look at FFVII, terrible graphics in our modern world, but the game kicks ass.

Bottom Line, Nintendo also could have upgraded to High Def but they didn't, this way they can sell more at a the lower end graphics.

[sims796]

Ah, but then I, or anyone else wouldn't buy another game. Kinda like a betrayal to the fans.

Anyway, I have no problem with the graphics, and like the game regardless.

And I'm still a bit skeptical at their theme. They proved it so far, but games like Call of Duty for the Wii looks so bad, it seemed like N64 graphics. That was a MAJOR killing point. And Farcry: Vengeance was so ugly compared to the other versions (PS3, XBOX360), the other ones were supierior.

Still, I'm not saying PBR is bad because of the graphics. I like it. I'm just saying that they are an important part of games. You wouldn't eat food that looked disgusting, even if it really tasted good.

And why is everyone saying Shut Up? What for? I thought this was an open forum, not one for little children, who can't take ideas that don't match their own.

[RileySox]

well no **** the graphics suck. its a ****in wii not a ps3. if only they were combined together...

[sims796]

Then it would be much more expensive. I would still pay. I like my games to look good.

[RileySox]

well i have both the wii and ps3 so if they did combine them i could just return my wii and ps3 to get the PSWii!!

[Mizer]

Why would you waste your money on a PS3?

Edit: It is more of an avil facesmasher than a gaming console

[Viksu]

I love the graphics <3 What's so bad in 'em? -___- PS3 sucks, really.

[RileySox]

yea not if you like baseball

and besides my dad bought it for HD movies i play it for games
and i got my wii for christmas.

[Chompah :x]

yea not if you like baseball

and besides my dad bought it for HD movies i play it for games
and i got my wii for christmas.

Dude are you saying you bought a PS3 just to play MLB 2K7 and THE BIGS in awesome graphics?
Dude.

[RileySox]

Dude are you saying you bought a PS3 just to play MLB 2K7 and THE BIGS in awesome graphics?
Dude.

wtf? they both suck. the show is what it is. and resistance fall of man is like the best game ever. it so owns halo! and its not just baseball..madden and ps3 just came out november we still have to wait for the awesome games like residant evil 5 and god of war 3, way moreeee

[Always and Never]

Seriously shut up about your baseball.

The pokemon moves is what Nintendo really did the graphics in.

You try making movse looking as good as that.

[Chompah :x]

i thought you said it's awesome if you like baseball..

[RileySox]

i thought you said it's awesome if you like baseball..

...what and you dont like baseball?

[RileySox]

nvm this is stupid. this is a pokemon topic not baseball.

my point is. the graphics in PBR suck but only because it a wii game. and it doesnt matter cause really... Pokemon in HD?? they arent even real.

[Viksu]

I hate baseball 8DD
Graphics doens't tell how good is the game, sheesh!

[RileySox]

hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi

i think ash's staravia is a girl. cant you hear her voice when it caws? its a girl

[RileySox]

I hate baseball 8DD
Graphics doens't tell how good is the game, sheesh!

no **** your a girl

and thats exactly what im saying but sometimes its true do you seriously want the red/blue sprite for pikachu in PBR??

[Viksu]

YAY xD Retros rulze! I'm wiser than ya, graphics aren't the most inpontart thing.

[Chompah :x]

to rileysox: yea i like baseball even though i'm not american!
to bibi: dude go away!

i saw the commercials and the graphics and gameplay look great.

[Viksu]

Yes. The graphics are just simply great. What's so bat in 'em? TELL ME! Sheesh.

[RileySox]

to rileysox: yea i like baseball even though i'm not american!
to bibi: dude go away!

i saw the commercials and the graphics and gameplay look great.

for the show? cause yea it is great. but when you play online everytime i play someone after the first pitch it gets disconnected. the server (sportsconnect) really sucks. i want to go complain to them but they wont listen to a 14 year old.

[Viksu]

i want to go complain to them but they wont listen to a 14 year old.

Lol, think, does they listen 12 years old, f**king stupid girl?

[RileySox]

Lol, think, does they listen 12 years old, f**king stupid girl?

what?? i didnt say that about you

[от_Ian]

I hate baseball 8DD
Graphics doens't tell how good is the game, sheesh!

You're right it doesn't, but when the main two highlights of the game are 3D Battling, Multiplayer sans Friendcodes, then there's a bit of a problem.

[Pogiforce-14]

Your right. Fortunately the game has 3d battling, random online, rare items for DP, completely customizable trainers, additional save files, additional teams within said save files, I mean come on, from friend passes and rental passes alone I have about ten, eleven different teams I can play with. with my friend passes I can feel what my opponents were feeling as they battled me using those very same pokemon.

[Pink]

bibi don't spam, Viksu don't bypass the damn censor, and RileySox don't curse. Jeez.

[Cross]

no **** your a girl


Sexist much?
Shut up about baseball now, cuz this isn't a sports thread. And stop insulting Viksu just because she's a girl.

[от_Ian]

I think girls can't play baseball, because they're girls and I don't need any girl robots getting in my way.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l42/ragster6466/MegamanBig2.jpg
Also, pokedemons.

[Cross]

What the hell is this now? Official National Baseball League thread? Back on topic of "how much dem grafics suk roflrofl"

[Rebellious Treecko]

Although Nintendo could've done a bit better on some of the pokemon's models, remember the old saying, graphics don't make a good game...well, sometimes.
I think PBR has some decent graphics for the trainers, and other stuff.
Off topic: The thing i'm worried about the game is the announcer. It sounds really annoying after a while. Is there an option to turn it off?

[Cross]

Off topic: The thing i'm worried about the game is the announcer. It sounds really annoying after a while. Is there an option to turn it off?

Options menu on the main screen, then turn the voice "off".
I did that LONG ago...

[mdarkcecil]

Every time someone makes a post like that, baby Jesus cries. Do you know that? Get on drugs or off of them before you post this type of crud, okay?

Either you're an elitist or a pessimist but this game is FREAKIN' AWESOME!
(The Wii is a 256-bit system, whilst the GCN is 128.)

I agree he may be pessimist, but for the record, the wii is a 128-bit as well, there's no graphic improvments whatsoever. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess was the high point of both the wii and Game Cube Graphics.

[Te-em]

I don't know if it's like this in BR, but there are unneeded scenes that only is a waste of time. The camera moves around when you select your attack, but when your going to attack there is a scene of your Pokémon doing NOTHING. Afterwards a scene when the pokemon attacks. It's only for a short time, but still it is useless. I hope it is gone in BR. And I also hope the animations of attacks that miss have returned from Stadium.

[ThatInsaneKid]

@RileySox, Viksu, and OT_Ian: Shut up. You're dumb. If you don't have anything smart to say, don't say it.

And now, my rebuke for every stupid comment that has been posted since I last did so.

RileySox: Okay, so you're a spoiled brat. Saying things like "I have a PS3, and I got a Wii for Christmas," makes people hate you. And FYI, Sakurai has been quoted, MANY, MANY times that GRAPHICS ARE NOT THE FOCUS OF THE WII. So shut up about baseball, your stupid waste of money that Sony calls a gaming console, and get back to the topic on hand.

Arcof:

1. The only negative thing about Arcanine was about his paws. Get glasses. Or actually learn how to read well.

Sims796:
Look, your all staring to sound like fanboys. Graphics in games are imporant. If my $250 NEXT-GEN SYSTEM Pokemon looks choppy and blocky, then there's a problem. I still think that the game is great, and I also say that it looks great, but it coud look better.
Once again... THE WII IS NOT ABOUT GRAPHICS. If you want graphics, go waste 1000 dollars for the "good" PS3. And get out of this topic.

I think its worth the money, but if graphics are a deciding factor to some people, so be it.


One person's opinion. I, for one, who has played at least one game in each generation and has also liked Pokemon since it first came out, really like the fourth generation of Pokemon. And as for the old ones being "horrible", I think they all look fine. Arcanine? Sure, his paws aren't the greatest, but it's not like he hasn't been seriously improved from his 3D debut in Stadium. All of the models are absolutely stellar compared to their previous ones. Please. Pleeeeeeassee. PLEEEEAAASSSEEE STOP COMPLAINING.
Imaging if they had the same graphics then. That would not be acceptable on Next Gen. I don't care about the graphics, but there still nice.

HIPPOCRITE. You can't say that "blocky graphics are not acceptable in the Next-Gen," and then go back and say you don't care. Retard. And once again... THE WII IS NOT ABOUT GRAPHICS. SO SHUT UP ABOUT THEM.

The end.

*overdoses on 50-Calibur aspirin*

[Cross]

Everyone, just stop posting in this thread and replying to Acrof, okay? He's a tard without learning capabilitys, and he will never figure out that the graphics he's whining about are hardly noticed.

Cookies and [partybox] for whoever actuallly ignore him and his thread from here on.

[Viksu]

Ugh, girls can play baseball if they wanna.. But let's forget it.

I really like the Wii, it's great consol, and Battle Revoltion is one of my must-to-get games. Graphics doesn't tell anything. That's it. The most inpontart this is what game holds isnide of it.

[acrof]

"It's not about power, or graphics, or how real you can get it. What counts about a game is originality."
Nonsense, everything in a game is what produces the final result.

Just look at FFVII, terrible graphics in our modern world, but the game kicks ass.
Your are just forgeting about one thing: FFVII IS A 11 YEARS OLD GAME!
and don´t forget that it was released in a 32 bits system wich has blocky graphics in every game.

If you wanted to compare games, you should compare PBR with FFX-2(because they would be from the same generation)
wich was released in a inferior system (graphically speaking), but still have better graphics than PBR.

Understand one thing about graphics:
NES graphics were good in the 8 bits era.
SNES graphics were good in the 16 bits era.
NINTENDO 64 graphics were good in the 32/64 bits era.
XBOX graphics were good in the 128 bits era.

The problem now is that Wii's competitors skipped the 256 bits era, and now are in the 512 bits era, while the Wii is still in the 256 bits era.
Not only that, a lot of Wii games are being released with NINTENDO 64 GRAPHICS because they are supposing that originality is everything in video-games, and it's not, it may be important but it's not everything.
THE SIMS, NIGHTS, and PBR (with the blocky models) are good examples of games released to Wii with this "little" problem.

the graphics in PBR suck but only because it a wii game. and it doesnt matter cause really... Pokemon in HD?? they arent even real.And since when FFX-2 characters were real? Or HALO characters?

The only negative thing about Arcanine was about his paws. Get glasses. Or actually learn how to read well.
Jesus...
Once again:
The entire model is the same from stadium series, not only for my arcanne and my typhlosion, but a lot of them are like this.
(Slowbro, Pidgeot, Exeggutor, Blyssey, Ledian, for example, are the same found on Stadium, check by yourself)

Imaging if they had the same graphics then. That would not be acceptable on Next Gen. I don't care about the graphics, but there still nice.
They are only acceptable in retro gaming.

THE WII IS NOT ABOUT GRAPHICS.
HOWEVER, the Wii is about 3 times more powerfull than a GameCube:
*Large DVD discs with 3 times more storage capacity
*3 times faster processor
*Almost 2 times more RAM memory
*512 Megabytes internal flash memory
*Bios upgradable trough download
*Motion senistive wireless remote control
*Compatible with most of GameCube's peripherals
*SD card slot

So the Wii is not about graphics?
So why didn't they create a N64 with a high-tech controller instead?
Why did they create a hardware more powerfull than it's predecessor?

THE WII IS ABLE TO RUN EXCELLENT QUALITY GRAPHICS, THE PROBLEM IS THAT GAME COMPANIES THAT CREATE GAMES FOR THE WII AREN'T USING THIS.
But why? Because they are lazy? Because they don't want to waste money to create better games?

I don't care about the answer, but we could get games with grphics similar to those found on the X360 but with the benefits of the Wii (the remote control for example).

Everyone, just stop posting in this thread and replying to Acrof, okay? He's a tard without learning capabilitys, and he will never figure out that the graphics he's whining about are hardly noticed.

Cookies and [partybox] for whoever actuallly ignore him and his thread from here on.
Wow.
That's a good strategy!
Trying to make people stop to post in this thread so that I wouldn't be able to post here because it would be a double post, and this thread would die and anyone would be able to post in it anymore after some time.
Remeber me to do the same with your threads.:badsmile:

[Cross]

Nonsense, everything in a game is what produces the final result.

Your are just forgeting about one thing: FFVII IS A 11 YEARS OLD GAME!
and don´t forget that it was released in a 32 bits system wich has blocky graphics in every game.

If you wanted to compare games, you should compare PBR with FFX-2(because they would be from the same generation)
wich was released in a inferior system (graphically speaking), but still have better graphics than PBR.

Understand one thing about graphics:
NES graphics were good in the 8 bits era.
SNES graphics were good in the 16 bits era.
NINTENDO 64 graphics were good in the 32/64 bits era.
XBOX graphics were good in the 128 bits era.

The problem now is that Wii's competitors skipped the 256 bits era, and now are in the 512 bits era, while the Wii is still in the 256 bits era.
Not only that, a lot of Wii games are being released with NINTENDO 64 GRAPHICS because they are supposing that originality is everything in video-games, and it's not, it may be important but it's not everything.
THE SIMS, NIGHTS, and PBR (with the blocky models) are good examples of games released to Wii with this "little" problem.

And since when FFX-2 characters were real? Or HALO characters?

Jesus...
Once again:
The entire model is the same from stadium series, not only for my arcanne and my typhlosion, but a lot of them are like this.
(Slowbro, Pidgeot, Exeggutor, Blyssey, Ledian, for example, are the same found on Stadium, check by yourself)

They are only acceptable in retro gaming.


HOWEVER, the Wii is about 3 times more powerfull than a GameCube:
*Large DVD discs with 3 times more storage capacity
*3 times faster processor
*Almost 2 times more RAM memory
*512 Megabytes internal flash memory
*Bios upgradable trough download
*Motion senistive wireless remote control
*Compatible with most of GameCube's peripherals
*SD card slot

So the Wii is not about graphics?
So why didn't they create a N64 with a high-tech controller instead?
Why did they create a hardware more powerfull than it's predecessor?

THE WII IS ABLE TO RUN EXCELLENT QUALITY GRAPHICS, THE PROBLEM IS THAT GAME COMPANIES THAT CREATE GAMES FOR THE WII AREN'T USING THIS.
But why? Because they are lazy? Because they don't want to waste money to create better games?

I don't care about the answer, but we could get games with grphics similar to those found on the X360 but with the benefits of the Wii (the remote control for example).

Wow.
That's a good strategy!
Trying to make people stop to post in this thread so that I wouldn't be able to post here because it would be a double post, and this thread would die and anyone would be able to post in it anymore after some time.
Remeber me to do the same with your threads.:badsmile:

I'll alert the mods when you commit kamikaze in "poll: Where's Waldo".

And enjoy the game. I've already gotten to Stargazer Colosseum (Thanks to a buddy of mine who's just as good as I am) and throughout the game, I had so much fun, graphics were just a blur compared to fun gameplay.

[AztecSunshine]

the grachics aren't every thing you just want a reson to whine about i don't care if they used the old dratini from the old games i love dratini and dragonair and there grachics mean nothing you are just one of those ppl who whine bacuas a poke ball disapper in the player hand

[acrof]

You know what?
I give up, I´m tired of trying to deffend my opinion.
However my decision stills the same:
PBR is just an unfinished game, with tons of not remodeled pokes.
A featureless game, that could be better, but you are able to battle wi-fi very well with it, so I´ll try it someday.
See you there, and make sure to battle me, so I can show my stadium like pokemon, and beat you, of course! ;)

[Ichida]

Then go back to Stadium, when the designs were "new," and pointless minigames flourished. :D

[Piplup Master]

Jeeze you guys are so picky its just a game

[acrof]

Then go back to Stadium, when the designs were "new,"
No thanks.
I´ll buy PBR for that already!
It´s so new and original that I must play it!
Arf.. Give me a break.

[от_Ian]

Nonsense, everything in a game is what produces the final result.


Understand one thing about graphics:
NES graphics were good in the 8 bits era.Except the Sega Genesis came out while the NES was out, and when people compared the two, lol NES had bad graphics
SNES graphics were good in the 16 bits era.But Sega Saturn was out when the SNES was out, and it had better graphics
NINTENDO 64 graphics were good in the 32/64 bits era.But the playstation 1 achieved better graphics because it used discs instead of cartridges, because cartridges have very limited sizes.
XBOX graphics were good in the 128 bits era.Yes, Xbox had the best graphics of it's time, but it still lost out to an underpowered system, the ps2.
The moral is, is that it's not the power of the system but the quality of the games, look at the gameboy versus the game gear. The gameboy had less power than an NES and the Gamegear was as powerful as the Sega Genesis (almost as big too), but the Gameboy won.


HOWEVER, the Wii is about 3 times more powerfull than a GameCube:
*Large DVD discs with 3 times more storage capacity
*3 times faster processor
*Almost 2 times more RAM memory
*512 Megabytes internal flash memory
*Bios upgradable trough download
*Motion senistive wireless remote control
*Compatible with most of GameCube's peripherals
*SD card slot

So the Wii is not about graphics?
So why didn't they create a N64 with a high-tech controller instead?
Why did they create a hardware more powerfull than it's predecessor?

THE WII IS ABLE TO RUN EXCELLENT QUALITY GRAPHICS, THE PROBLEM IS THAT GAME COMPANIES THAT CREATE GAMES FOR THE WII AREN'T USING THIS.
But why? Because they are lazy? Because they don't want to waste money to create better games?

I don't care about the answer, but we could get games with grphics similar to those found on the X360 but with the benefits of the Wii (the remote control for example).

What you fail to realize is that the statement they're making, that the Wii is not about graphics, is meaning that the Wii is not about being a graphical power house. Not that it isn't interested in graphics at all. The whole idea behind the Wii is that it's supposed to be non-threatening. It's not supposed to be a system that will kill you by it's name alone. It doesn't have all that machismo ******** that other companies like Microsoft pour into their system like like syrup on pancakes. Not only that, but Nintendo actually wanted to turn a profit on their system. So they used older technology (in graphics chip and processor) because it not only would help them turn a profit, but it would help them sell the system for cheaper and it would fit their model.


twenty five bonus characters.

[acrof]

NES graphics were good in the 8 bits era.Except the Sega Genesis came out while the NES was out, and when people compared the two, lol NES had bad graphicsWhen the Genesis was released they jumped from the 8 bits era, to the 16 bits era.
SNES graphics were good in the 16 bits era.But Sega Saturn was out when the SNES was out, and it had better graphicsWhen Sega Saturn was released it was already the 32 bits generation, cause 3DO came first
NINTENDO 64 graphics were good in the 32/64 bits era.But the playstation 1 achieved better graphics because it used discs instead of cartridges, because cartridges have very limited sizes.
That I must say it´s false, PSONE graphics were only better than N64´s in the video CGs (wich N64 coudn´t handle in it´s cartridge)
XBOX graphics were good in the 128 bits era.Yes, Xbox had the best graphics of it's time, but it still lost out to an underpowered system, the ps2.Only in the number of sold systems
The moral is, is that it's not the power of the system but the quality of the games, look at the gameboy versus the game gear. The gameboy had less power than an NES and the Gamegear was as powerful as the Sega Genesis (almost as big too)(It´s true !!!!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:), but the Gameboy won.
Curious no?
Sometimes I think that something went wrong for Sega, 3DO, etc, because they made amazing games and systems, but they ended in a massive failure, most of the times because of stupid details (like GameGear´s high battery consuption, or 3DO F1 system being more expensive than a PS3 back that time)
And now 3DO don´t exist anymore, Sega only produce software, etc.......

[Pink]

RileySox, as it clearly states in the rules, you are not supposed to use that word in an offensive manner, therefore I'm giving you a warning. DO NOT, make a post like that again.

mudkib and acrof, please do not quote posts that break the rules, and also mudkib, do not post just to say you're reporting someone, just report them, thanks.

[Pogiforce-14]

Acrof, if you're going to be stating your opinion, do please be sure to put an "I think" in front of it. that way we can't assume you're posing your opinions as fact, because then you'd be lying by saying the graphics aren't updated.

[от_Ian]

Curious no?
Sometimes I think that something went wrong for Sega, 3DO, etc, because they made amazing games and systems, but they ended in a massive failure, most of the times because of stupid details (like GameGear´s high battery consuption, or 3DO F1 system being more expensive than a PS3 back that time)
And now 3DO don´t exist anymore, Sega only produce software, etc.......


The SNES was released in 1991, while the Sega Genesis was released in 1989.
The Genesis competed with the NES. Sure that was when the 16 bit era started, but they were competing consoles.
Nintendo never competed in the 32 bit era. Sony competed in the 64 bit era with a 32 bit system. Nintendo and Sony were going to compete in the 32 bit era together, until they had a falling out.

The Nintendo 64 was released in 1996 while the playstation 1 was released in 1995.
Wikipedia:
Cartridges store significantly less data than CDs. As fifth generation games became more complex in content, sound, and graphics, it pushed cartridges to the limits of their storage capacity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64

Plus, I challenge you to compare Final Fantasy 9 Graphics with The Legend Of Zelda, Ocarina Of Time graphics, and you tell me which one looks more detailed.

Being able to store more data on a CD meant that you could make more beautifully detailed games.

[SBaby]

Plus, I challenge you to compare Final Fantasy 9 Graphics with The Legend Of Zelda, Ocarina Of Time graphics, and you tell me which one looks more detailed.


Just FFVII graphics are superior to Ocarina. Why FFIX? FFIX would be better compared to Majora's mask, which was graphically superior to Ocarina. What's funny is that both FF games use more 2-D than 3-D in their games and they're STILL superior.

[Pogiforce-14]

Not Superior to OoT, I'm hoping you aren't suggesting that. Because OoT in spite of graphical short comings was THE best game of it's era.

[Ichida]

In terms of graphics, OoT seems superior. In terms of storyline, FFIX pwns everything, IMO. FFIX is my all-time favorite RPG. :D

[SBaby]

Not Superior to OoT, I'm hoping you aren't suggesting that. Because OoT in spite of graphical short comings was THE best game of it's era.

No, I'm just talking in terms of visuals. Don't get me wrong, the story in FFVII was still --- (it's basically a bootleg Sonic SatAM plot until you're just left going after one single guy who's really hard to subdue, seriously that's it). If it weren't for Sephiroth being a long haired prettyboy with a sword that's half the size of a football field and pretty eye candy, nobody would have EVER cared about it long enough to still go on about it today. Let's put it this way, imagine if FFVII was a SNES game and FFVIII was the first Playstation Final Fantasy with CG cutscenes. That should give you the perspective I'm thinking of. It may look cheesy nowadays when compared with Tidus going against a Godzilla knockoff, or a Princess and a pauper re-enacting the plot of Robin Hood. But you've gotta think of the times and what we knew back then. Eye candy and big swords was cutting edge stuff.

If you're talking REAL storyline, as in big-time, Major League stories, it'd be FFVI hands down. No, more like Xenosaga (or for you Squeenix buffs, Xenogears). Xenosaga easily has the greatest RPG story ever told.

Zelda OoT's story was alright, but I hate to say that it's just the same recycled plot from the previous games buried in a sea of impressive visuals, mind-numbing puzzles, and a one-man coup (gee, the Hyrule military really needs to train a bit more if they can't even stop one single wizard). The only reason people still play Zelda anymore is because they grew up with it and it doesn't attempt to fix a concept that isn't broken to begin with. But don't even say it's got a better storyline than Xenosaga, or Albedo will come and dismember himself in front of you.


Back on Battle Revolution. Here's the deal. I don't like giving scores for games (and my scores on Gamefaqs are ALWAYS to be disregarded). But this is what it has. So read it and then decide for yourself.

The game isn't ALL downhill. The graphics are alright (next-gen graphics will make it look better than any Pokemon game has ever looked before), though I would've liked to be able to see more of both you and the target during an attack (the camera angles in the game are just ---). This is really just a nitpick, but that's how I am.

The customization will be fun for people that like that kind of stuff. Personally I don't, but as I said before, I wouldn't take away from a game that has outfits and hats as extras. It's not even part of the main game anyway, so...

The voices aren't anything too spectacular. You've got the static voices from the game and stock announcer voice overs that sound suspiciously like the N64 Pokemon announcer. My gripe is, why couldn't they have just used the Anime voices?

On an unrelated note, someone had mentioned 'respecting Pokemon's roots' as a reaponse to me pointing this out. That just made me laugh. Because Pokemon in fact DOESN'T respect their roots. They only respect whatever's gonna keep money coming in. Why do you think the handheld games are all almost exactly the same? If the Pokemon franchise had ANY respect for its roots, Misty would have NEVER LEFT THE ANIME! Nuff said.

No story. Well, I don't care WHO says it's a tired subject, the fact that so many people (ie on this topic) are arguing about storylines HAS TO PROVE that gamers look for story in a game. So yeah... Whoopsie.

That's about it. Die-hard Pokemon fans (you know who you are) will want it just to see the D/P Pokemon on the big screen (don't get me wrong, it looks nice). People (in general) with D/P might be curious about it, but I strongly suggest RENTING it first. The fact that it's 50 bucks means it's quite an investment for a game you might play for a couple days before realizing that without online battles, there's really nothing to do.

People without D/P are going to find out that there isn't really that much to keep your interest past a few hours. There are pre-made opponents to fight (battle, nah it's fighting, who am I kidding), but without a story or an adventure mode where you can build your levels, without D/P you're pretty much stuck with templates. In other words, SOL.

Despite it all, and based on what I've seen and heard in the past few months, I can still say that Pokemon is a franchise that is still going strong and will keep going for years to come.

So this'll become my unofficial review, I guess (or rough draft, if you will).

[Angelix]

Well, I can really only say one thing about PKMN: BR - I don't have it yet :3
But on a more serious note, is this game really worth getting? I mean, people complain about spending $50 on a game - a decent Wii game in Australia costs $110. So I don't want to waste any money.

And about the issue where the Pokeball 'disapears' - so what? In Zelda games, Link carries around an unbelievably huge arsenal of weapons, and yet he has no space to store them. He pulls a bow from nowhere. And we're talking Twilight Princess here.

My point is that it doesn't really matter if the game has slight downsides like that.

[Pogiforce-14]

No, I'm just talking in terms of visuals. Don't get me wrong, the story in FFVII was still --- (it's basically a bootleg Sonic SatAM plot until you're just left going after one single guy who's really hard to subdue, seriously that's it). If it weren't for Sephiroth being a long haired prettyboy with a sword that's half the size of a football field and pretty eye candy, nobody would have EVER cared about it long enough to still go on about it today. Let's put it this way, imagine if FFVII was a SNES game and FFVIII was the first Playstation Final Fantasy with CG cutscenes. That should give you the perspective I'm thinking of. It may look cheesy nowadays when compared with Tidus going against a Godzilla knockoff, or a Princess and a pauper re-enacting the plot of Robin Hood. But you've gotta think of the times and what we knew back then. Eye candy and big swords was cutting edge stuff.

If you're talking REAL storyline, as in big-time, Major League stories, it'd be FFVI hands down. No, more like Xenosaga (or for you Squeenix buffs, Xenogears). Xenosaga easily has the greatest RPG story ever told.

Zelda OoT's story was alright, but I hate to say that it's just the same recycled plot from the previous games buried in a sea of impressive visuals, mind-numbing puzzles, and a one-man coup (gee, the Hyrule military really needs to train a bit more if they can't even stop one single wizard. The only reason people still play Zelda anymore is because they grew up with it and it doesn't attempt to fix a concept that isn't broken to begin with. But don't even say it's got a better storyline than Xenosaga, or Albedo will come and dismember himself in front of you.


Back on Battle Revolution. Here's the deal. I don't like giving scores for games (and my scores on Gamefaqs are ALWAYS to be disregarded). But this is what it has. So read it and then decide for yourself.

The game isn't ALL downhill. The graphics are alright (next-gen graphics will make it look better than any Pokemon game has ever looked before), though I would've liked to be able to see more of both you and the target during an attack (the camera angles in the game are just ---). This is really just a nitpick, but that's how I am.

The customization will be fun for people that like that kind of stuff. Personally I don't, but as I said before, I wouldn't take away from a game that has outfits and hats as extras. It's not even part of the main game anyway, so...

The voices aren't anything too spectacular. You've got the static voices from the game and stock announcer voice overs that sound suspiciously like the N64 Pokemon announcer. My gripe is, why couldn't they have just used the Anime voices?

On an unrelated note, someone had mentioned 'respecting Pokemon's roots' as a reaponse to me pointing this out. That just made me laugh. Because Pokemon in fact DOESN'T respect their roots. They only respect whatever's gonna keep money coming in. Why do you think the handheld games are all almost exactly the same? If the Pokemon franchise had ANY respect for its roots, Misty would have NEVER LEFT THE ANIME! Nuff said.

No story. Well, I don't care WHO says it's a tired subject, the fact that so many people (ie on this topic) are arguing about storylines HAS TO PROVE that gamers look for story in a game. So yeah... Whoopsie.

That's about it. Die-hard Pokemon fans (you know who you are) will want it just to see the D/P Pokemon on the big screen (don't get me wrong, it looks nice). People (in general) with D/P might be curious about it, but I strongly suggest RENTING it first. The fact that it's 50 bucks means it's quite an investment for a game you might play for a couple days before realizing that without online battles, there's really nothing to do.

People without D/P are going to find out that there isn't really that much to keep your interest past a few hours. There are pre-made opponents to fight (battle, nah it's fighting, who am I kidding), but without a story or an adventure mode where you can build your levels, without D/P you're pretty much stuck with templates. In other words, SOL.

Despite it all, and based on what I've seen and heard in the past few months, I can still say that Pokemon is a franchise that is still going strong and will keep going for years to come.

So this'll become my unofficial review, I guess (or rough draft, if you will).


They kinda did use the voices from the cartoon, or should I say voice from the cartoon. the announcer is the same guy who narrates the Pokemon TV show. There aren't really any other voices to speak of.

Although I must admit if you don't have Diamond or Pearl, PBR really won't last for you, I have to counter argue some of your points. For one, the rental passes. although each comes with it's stock set of pokemon, you can get up to six different passes, and each is modifiable via Trade Battle once the game has been completed. So I myself can't really say the Rental passes stagnate. Who else has a Smeargle on their Rental Passes besides me?

I also have to argue with the comment that only die hard pokemon fans will want to see their Pokemon on TV. Most anyone who owns the game, weither die hard or not, would want to see their hard trained mons up on screen kicking ass. It's that novelty that has drawn people to Pokemon Stadium in the past, and it is that novelty now that was supposed to draw the average joe to PBR. Though i suppose once that novelty wears off, with nothing else in the game, the Average joe will find the game fairly useless.

I personally still regard it as a fantastic game, but I'm a hardcore trainer, and I consider the battling options a blessing. They didn't really market for the average player too much (Like they've been preaching about the Wii) but for those of us that it's actually marketed to, it's pretty solid.

[Ichida]

Who else has a Smeargle on their Rental Passes besides me?

You mean the one with Spore, Lock-on, and Guillotine? XDDD, I used that nasty little bugger in the Sunset Colosseum against Dusty and sniped all his Pokemon, lol.

[Pogiforce-14]

Don't think it was that one, but maybe.

[SBaby]

I personally still regard it as a fantastic game, but I'm a hardcore trainer, and I consider the battling options a blessing. They didn't really market for the average player too much (Like they've been preaching about the Wii) but for those of us that it's actually marketed to, it's pretty solid.

The key word (or phrase) that totally explained your post is 'hardcore trainer'. But you know, I really should've used the word 'hardcore' instead of 'die-hard' anyway, because that actually sounds more accurate.

[ShadowTails]

Here's my real question...

Did you guys bicker this much when you saw the Gamecube games?

That and did you guys notice that nearly all the back pics in RSEFRLG are all revamped versions of Gold and Silvers back art?...


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Here is what I don't get... the Pokemon Stadium models are still what I consider good, heck even Conker's bad fur day is what I consider a decent model. I for one think if you guys are going to complain about a game this much you don't have to buy it and quit going all crazy about it...

[acrof]

Did you guys bicker this much when you saw the Gamecube games?
It depends:
Pokemon Colosseum and XD, yes.
All other games, no.

That and did you guys notice that nearly all the back pics in RSEFRLG are all revamped versions of Gold and Silvers back art?...

Same goes to Diamond and Pearl:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/comparasion.jpg

The real problem is that pokémon things in general (cartoon, games, etc), are always a step behind it´s competitors.
Pokémon used to be the most watched cartoon, and the most played game, but now....

I would kill Satoshi Tajiri and Game Freak for what they´re allowing to happen to pokémon.

The games are far worse than the fans were hopping, and can´t they realise that people are getting sick and tired of Satoshi (Ash) in the cartoon?:laugh:

Things like that make mad.

[SBaby]

Here's my real question...

Did you guys bicker this much when you saw the Gamecube games?

That and did you guys notice that nearly all the back pics in RSEFRLG are all revamped versions of Gold and Silvers back art?...


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Here is what I don't get... the Pokemon Stadium models are still what I consider good, heck even Conker's bad fur day is what I consider a decent model. I for one think if you guys are going to complain about a game this much you don't have to buy it and quit going all crazy about it...


Rather than breaking up your quote, I'll just answer the questions in order. And this may turn into a rant, just to warn you.

To answer the first question, yes. I usually find something to complain about in Pokemon (I usualy find something to complain about in every game I play, so don't feel too bad or take it too personally). Sadly, most of Pokemon is the same tired concept of catching Pokemon and going to Leagues to battle. Don't get me wrong. I love the fact that you can recruit every static enemy in the game (one of the reasons I keep coming back to Pokemon is to experiment with different teams and combis). But the storyline is more or less the same thing each time.

When console Pokemon games come out, people in general expect big things. Whenever a console Final Fantasy or Zelda game comes out, what do we get? Well, a cliche' storyline with predictable plot twists. But that's not the point. The point is, the story is there, it's ALWAYS grandiose, and you've ALWAYS got a huge world or continent to explore. Why can't it be the same with the console Pokemon games?

I LOVED IT! I absolutely loved it, when Colosseum and XD came out. I loved having a real storyline, having a Region to explore (albeit a small one, but it was there). And you know what? It didn't take away from the multiplayer aspect of the game. It was still there. Sure, it wasn't online yet (most Nintendo games back then weren't), but it was there. Ok? Eheh...

So why did they scrap the story? Couldn't they have spent twenty minutes to write SOMETHING for the game? Couldn't they have at least allowed you to explore a big land or Region? Why remove it? What was the problem? It didn't reduce the popularity of the game. People still bought it. I honestly can't respond to those questions with any answer other than laziness on the developers' sides. But it could also be because the game came out so close to Diamond and Pearl. Maybe there just wasn't enough time to make one... Who knows? But it still didn't help the issue any.


To answer the second question, yes. The backs do look relatively the same, with the exception to a few uniquely shaped Pokemon. But yes, most of them are so similar that they almost look like rips of previous sprite backs. Fortunately, the graphics have improved slightly and the fronts always remain distinguishable. Graphics was never a major thing I looked for in games, only commenting on it if something really stands out (like the elevator in Xenosaga Episode I, where you get dizzy looking at it, that's just awesome). So this never really bothered me.


On an unrelated note, I wonder if they'll ever get to three-on-three battles? The two-on-two battles, while nice, just take way too long to complete, especially when you're going up against a Trainer that has 6 Pokemon. I really hope they move up to three-on-three at some point.


I know that the last comment really isn't a question, but I'll respond to it anyway. I never mentioned the Stadium models. For that matter, I never complained about the graphics. If anything, the graphics were the best thing about Battle Revolution. Sure you can see polygons, but name one game where you can't see them in the gameplay. And it doesn't matter because there's over 400 creatures to choose from, each with a different model. That to me, is the high-end graphics right there (being able to actually have that many in a game). So graphics shouldn't even BE an issue here.

And what Conker has to do with Pokemon is beyond me.



The games are far worse than the fans were hopping, and can´t they realise that people are getting sick and tired of Satoshi (Ash) in the cartoon?:laugh:


Ash doesn't bother me too much. What really bothers me is the lack of creativity and thought in the storyline. Your average episode of Pokemon consists of Ash, Brock and Dawn (or whatever new character's in the group this month) continuing their journey when they're sidetracked by someone either in need of help, or someone running a pointless competition. The gang goes to compete or help the person in question, when Team Rocket shows up and steals a Pokemon. Ash and the gang beat Team Rocket, return the stolen Pokemon and solve the problem. Then they move on with their journey.

And