Bad graphics? Bad construction? Bad game? [Archive]

Master Kwesi Nkromah

January 10th, 2007, 04:49 PM

After i read your post i went over to youtube and checked out a couple of their battle revolution videos... and dude, they suck. maybe i was looking at the wrong videos but it's damn-near impossible to judge the quality of the game when the quality of the videos are so poor.

neway, i think the Pokemon company is stuck in an age-range trap. the gameplay, storyline and perhaps even attention to detail are all geared to people a lot younger. I think what they are trying to do is keep the game play relatively simple so little kiddies can grasp "complex" concepts quickly, and nearly identical to the game play of the original gameboy titles.

the truly young aren't going to be any more impressed if they're Pokemon games are in HD, they just want to see the super cool effects when their Pokemon attacks. they aren't as interested in a decent story line, they just want to see Pokemon battle. and that's what we get in these 64bit+ games. the story never really changes but the special effects from attacks get better-looking every time.

eh In my opinion, this has never worked for Nintendo... ever.. ever... ever... i XD was a good attempt at something new but i think they should really try to make a version of pokemon for the wii that is both marketable to kids in grades 8 - 11 and enjoyable to children in grades 4 - 7.. i would like to see a super smash bros version of pokemon... pure pokemon butt-kick.. i think that would be a smash hit.

RSL

January 10th, 2007, 06:22 PM

I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

*There´s no storage system

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I hope the next Pokemon release they change these details...
It´s not as good as I spected...
What do you think?
Every time someone makes a post like that, baby Jesus cries. Do you know that? Get on drugs or off of them before you post this type of crud, okay?

Either you're an elitist or a pessimist but this game is FREAKIN' AWESOME!
(The Wii is a 256-bit system, whilst the GCN is 128.)

Master Gohan

January 10th, 2007, 08:47 PM

If you want some good quality videos to judge from, go over to IGN.com. They have fairly good quality. Much better than YouTube.

Red1530

January 10th, 2007, 08:58 PM

I am tired of people saying their is no storage system in the game. According to Serebii their is.
Source: http://www.serebii.net/archive/November-2006.shtml

acrof

January 11th, 2007, 09:41 AM

Every time someone makes a post like that, baby Jesus cries. Do you know that? Get on drugs or off of them before you post this type of crud, okay?

Either you're an elitist or a pessimist but this game is FREAKIN' AWESOME!
(The Wii is a 256-bit system, whilst the GCN is 128.)
None of them.

(PS: since Dreamcast, there´s no "bits" concept.)

Sure, there´re great features on this games like the Wi-fi battle mode.
The attacks are really amazing, I loved Blast Burn, Surf and Solar Bean;)
For the first time in the pokemon history, u can dress yourself.
The pokemons touch eachother, etc.

I like pokemon since 1997, and now I´m 16 years old, I think Nintendo don´t get the idea:
Pokemon fans are getting older...
I would love to see some kick ass features, the pokemon smash bros idea is great!:cool:

the truly young aren't going to be any more impressed if they're Pokemon games are in HD
YES THEY WILL...
My 9 years old little bro said so.
The graphics could be better, he hated when I showed the BR´s Arcanine...
He loves that pokemon, and the Arcanine was exactaly the same from STADIUM 1.

These graphics are almost the same found on PS2, and The pokemon company is fu#%@%$@ rich, and can pay for better 3D modelers.

I am tired of people saying their is no storage system in the game. According to Serebii their is.
No THERE ISN´t.
You can save your 6 pokemon party in the controller, BUT you can´t store them like in Ruby´s box system, get it?

Mattie.Murder™

January 11th, 2007, 10:57 AM

I think the graphics are great, but as ive said all along graphics dont make a game, its gameplay that does it, thats nintendos aim...although the wii graphics are brilliant its focusing more on gamplay wich is why i admire them, unlike microsoft or sony focusing there games on ''older'' gamers, and i cant wait for PBR to come out over here in the uk....But everyone has there opinion so i cant really argue...

~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

January 11th, 2007, 10:04 PM

I like the graphics alot, I only watch one video and that was with Yukimenoko battling, they made her look awesome in the game

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

acrof

January 11th, 2007, 10:26 PM

Just like I said, some look awesome, others look really bad.
I really hated when I saw my darling Arcanine (I love fire types) just like the ones from stadium, but seems that the newest generation of pokemons has perfect graphics, the ones from Ruby generation are nearly the same from XD, and most of the first pokemons are just the same found on N64´s games.

Looks like the arena isn´t affected by attacks anymore...
I could only see this feature in first released teaser for the game... (the one with Deoxys ,Groudon, pikachu and Wailord)

The graphics are the same found on Dreamcast (1999) in my opinion, not because of poor quality of videos (because I saw them on IGN), but because the graphics of the game are really poor.

I hope they change these problems in the next release for Wii.

Red1530

January 11th, 2007, 10:42 PM

No THERE ISN´t.
You can save your 6 pokemon party in the controller, BUT you can´t store them like in Ruby´s box system, get it?That to me is a storage system.

chrome_angel

January 12th, 2007, 02:56 AM

well ive just looked up some videos on some websites, the graphics are pretty darn good. very great detail and quality of the lighting in battle revolution.man i cannot wait for it to come out.

Forest Grovyle

January 12th, 2007, 09:17 AM

I think the graphics are fine, the new Pokémon look plain awesome and the old ones have been made a lot smoother and totally remodelled in some cases.

I enjoyed Stadium - the mini-games were nice but the main reason I played it was for the challenge of battling through the cups. I'm glad that's the sort of thing I'll be able to do here as I always loved that! Yeah, mini-games would have been nice but they're not a selling point for me.

--FG

Law07

January 12th, 2007, 03:33 PM

I think yes that there should be better graphics for Wii, the graphics arent like realistic (I know its Pokemon) but it looks too outdated, looks too shoddy. I think they should really do it like Final Fantasy graphics in the players.

And yes they should make the games more complicated for the old Pokemon gamers that were there when Blue came out!

Nerevarine

January 12th, 2007, 07:20 PM

I was going to buy Battle revolution. But Now that I see all this stuff I doubt I will

acrof

January 12th, 2007, 08:14 PM

Although i noticed these details, I´m still going to buy a Wii and a BR game.
Pokemon battles are my favorite kind of game and, u see, I can play with people around the world with it.;)
I wonderif the chat function from diamond & pearl still alive in this game?

Ichaste Pekoni

January 15th, 2007, 09:21 PM

The graphics are the same found on Dreamcast (1999) in my opinion

These graphics are almost the same found on PS2

...The two are different. Which is it?

I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

......Which models are you looking at? I don't see that at all.

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

That's actually probably intended. They did a similar thing in the GCN games.

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

"voices from GameBoy"?? SINCE WHEN DID THE GB GAMES HAVE VOICES!!!???????

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

...Uh...define "disapears"

*There´s no storage system

I refer to Red1530.

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

Then why complain?

*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I've seen a bunch of different haircuts and faces for the trainers. Again, what videos are you watching?

(I'm getting a wave of deja vu...in a bad way)

Renagadez

January 15th, 2007, 09:29 PM

someoen post a link to this video,so more of us could judge

Cornicapus

January 16th, 2007, 12:13 AM

Well since i never owned any of the pokemon console games (but i played stadium at my friends place it rocked my sox!,metaphorically speaking) i gotta say the pokemon models are darn good! especially pikachu. and there are storage systems! i trust serebii.net 100% but were gonna have to wait until it comes out.

acrof

January 16th, 2007, 09:03 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by acrof
The graphics are the same found on Dreamcast (1999) in my opinion

Quote:
Originally Posted by acrof
These graphics are almost the same found on PS2

...The two are different. Which is it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by acrof
I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

......Which models are you looking at? I don't see that at all.

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

That's actually probably intended. They did a similar thing in the GCN games.

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

"voices from GameBoy"?? SINCE WHEN DID THE GB GAMES HAVE VOICES!!!???????
OK, not voices. Cries of the pokemons.:D

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

...Uh...define "disapears"
What about I SHOW you?

*There´s no storage system

I refer to Red1530.
So you can save like in GBA games???? (Box system, item storage)

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

Then why complain?
Because that would make a better game
*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I've seen a bunch of different haircuts and faces for the trainers. Again, what videos are you watching?Those from IGN and Youtube

(I'm getting a wave of deja vu...in a bad way)
Here is the link for the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFPWmM0vqws

Here are pics from this video, showing some graphic problems:
The pokesquare:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/1.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/2.jpg

Ichaste Pekoni

January 16th, 2007, 02:13 PM

-
Here is the link for the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFPWmM0vqws

Here are pics from this video, showing some graphic problems:
The pokesquare:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/1.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/2.jpg

......You're complaining about that!?? 0.0;;;

Geez...and, I said it before: THEY MADE THE POKEBALL LIKE THAT ON PURPOSE.

And, again, if you didn't like the storyline from XD & Colosseum, then why would you want it in PBR? How would that make it "a better game"?

Law07

January 16th, 2007, 02:20 PM

The pokeball disappearing I thought was on earlier versions of videos.

Apparantly that was just a beta glitch and is no more the case.

acrof

January 16th, 2007, 03:00 PM

ON PURPOSE???????
No, no.... Lazy programers
Nintendo, and Gamefreak need to stay longer in front of their computers making better Pokemon games, and using at last 70% of Wii´s power!
A GameCube can run this kind of game. Make pokemon and Wii a worth-a-try, for new gamers.

And a GOOD story line would make a better game, get it?

No, the pokeball´s glitch stills there, on the present game.
Some people bought it and have already played while recording with a camera.
These people created videos on youtube, generaly named Pokemon Battle Revolution gameplay 1,2,3...............
And this glitch was there.

I wanted to see a PS3 crusher game, using all features a Wii can offer. (I know a PS3 have more power, but I´m talking about inovation)
But all I and everyone get is a feature-less game.
Being a pokemon fan since 1997 (10 years!), I want pokemon to have a bright future, but not with that kind of crap game.
Belive it or not I hate Sony and M$, and I´m saying that´s a crap game based on games FROM NINTENDO not from PS2 or XBOX or whatever.

RSL

January 16th, 2007, 06:31 PM

acrof

January 17th, 2007, 07:58 AM

And use the same models from the previous games is not good thing.
Imagine they using the same models from Super Mario World (for SNES) on Super Mario Galaxy for Wii ?;)

And they remade some pokemons, Charizard looks like real compared to Stadium version
But most of the pokemons were just the same (with no round ups) from the previous versions... They use light effects to make them look round, but that´s not the case on Charizard for example.

My friend bought a Wii yesterday, with it, he got a magazine showing next releases for the console, and he said Pokemon Battle Revolution was on that magazine and had the SAME graphics of Pokemon Colosseum, with a very few changes.
He also said that on a computer screen the game looks amazing, but in a HD print it looks very bad.

U can notice these sharp corners when the game use a zoom on the arena and battlers.
Look at the pictures I took from the video, when there´s a zoom on the pokeball it looks more like a cube than a ball(picture 1), but when the camera is far from it(picture 2 and 3) the pokeball looks amazing.
The same happens with the trainers and the pokemons.

Cornicapus

January 17th, 2007, 10:23 PM

[QUOTE=acrof;2358866]And use the same models from the previous games is not good thing.
Imagine they using the same models from Super Mario World (for SNES) on Super Mario Galaxy for Wii ?;) [QUOTE]

You know how long it would take to Re-model 386 pokemon? i like the decision they made just to fix the WORST ones and just leave the ok ones alone so they could work on the game and make a earlier release date.

acrof

January 18th, 2007, 08:25 AM

That´s true...
But the Pokemon Company is rich, veeeeeeeeeeery rich, and can pay for more and better
3D modelers. Besides it´s not a game full of arenas and places, so it should be more easy to make than a normal RPG like Final Fantasy.

DiamondDust

January 18th, 2007, 05:01 PM

I'm still gonna buy it though, even if it is crap.
Basically it was intended for those people like older people who still believed that pokemon was real, and making stuff like stories about how that person saw a Linoone, he mistook it for a skunk or something.

I got the other 2 (Xd and Colluseium (mispelt coll...)). It couldn't finish it, tooooo bored!

jmb_jolteon

January 19th, 2007, 06:36 AM

i think its supposed to be different and i dont like how its like stadium and i think it should have a storyline it would be more interesting and more people would buy it its the same as stadium but with new pokemon so its pretty lame

thats a good idea about a smash bros version it would be better than dis one and i love super smash bros

Hiroshi Sotomura

January 19th, 2007, 07:12 AM

Avoid quoting long posts, please. Also, don't double post - one post, edited to address another person, is enough.

jmb_jolteon

January 19th, 2007, 08:37 PM

acrof

January 19th, 2007, 08:51 PM

Avoid quoting long posts, please. Also, don't double post - one post, edited to address another person, is enough.
OK, sorry for that...
i dont like how its like stadium and i think it should have a storyline
A good storyline this time, because the previous versions are just crap.

Features BR should have:

*Ruby, Sapphire, Fire Red, Leaf Green, Emerald compatibility
*Box system, Item storage, etc.
*Something like a stadium´s GB tower
*Full rounded graphics
*Full re-modeled pokemons
*Story mode (with a good story line)
*Chat function, using a DS as a microphone
*MMORPG mode (massive multi player on-line RPG mode) that would be AMAZING !:cool:

That´s a lot, huh? But a double layered DVD can solve this problem :D
if they remodeled them all whed have to wait like another year and by then people would have lost interest in it
I would wait for 3 years to see a game like I said in this same topic. Wait longer to see a better game is not a bad idea to me.

RSL

January 20th, 2007, 02:21 PM

Actually, PBR is compatible with R/S/E/FR/LG. Just have the GBA game in the DS slot.

acrof

January 20th, 2007, 06:08 PM

That´s getting interesting!
But can u battle as Brendam, May, Red, etc? Or just those trainers from PBR?

RSL

January 21st, 2007, 01:49 PM

Yes you can, as seen from the very first PBR video.

acrof

January 21st, 2007, 04:03 PM

But I don´t see this feature in other videos...
Where did u found that information?

RSL

January 22nd, 2007, 11:45 AM

In this thread: http://pkmncommunity.com/showthread.php?t=75860

Pokequester

January 22nd, 2007, 02:44 PM

Ummmm......this isn't as bad as you think.

Hayate

January 22nd, 2007, 03:28 PM

Ok, you try to prevent me from buying it 0.0? J/k, I still like the game heaps, but don't forget youtube videos suck in general, I think you should try a demo or something to get an idea what the game is like..In any case, I'll buy it!

Kiyoshikane

January 24th, 2007, 05:06 AM

YOUTUBE = death

Don't trust the Youtube, for it shall betray you the most.
Don't love the Youtube, for it has no compassion.
Don't use the Youtube, for it is merely using you.
Don't watch the Youtube, because the quality sucks.

THE FOUR LAWS OF YOUTUBE!

Anyways, even if Pokemon Company was rich, do you know how hard it is just to model 3D characters and do all these features? They even listen to our complaints and build on those problems (although they haven't made a G/S/C remake :( ). Also, Nintendo isn't trying to focus on graphics, they're trying to focus on gameplay. Therefore, Wii graphics look a bit similar to GC graphics, but nobody (should) care.

Plus, DL DVDs cost some money for Nintendo, even though it may not seem like much to us. :(

Hopefully they don't mess up and produce some sort of crap like Michael's eyeballs in Pokemon XD. That title alone deserves a laugh. It even has a laugh in it, unless you like to call it Xtra-Dimension :(

Who knows, Pokemon Diamond might even unlock a new Pokemon from Pokemon Battle Revolution, or vice versa (totally off the point, but possibility)

... The construction isn't that bad either.

[/endrant]

Hayate

January 24th, 2007, 12:50 PM

YOUTUBE = death

Don't trust the Youtube, for it shall betray you the most.
Don't love the Youtube, for it has no compassion.
Don't use the Youtube, for it is merely using you.
Don't watch the Youtube, because the quality sucks.

THE FOUR LAWS OF YOUTUBE!

xD That is among the funiest things I've ever seen.

But you know, no single game is perfect and will never be. I'm sure we all agree BR has better graphics design and such then Colosseum/XD based on trustable pictures we've seen..even if the graphics suck I will buy it.

*Prepares an angry mob for the first person who's gonna say "BR sucks"*

acrof

January 24th, 2007, 01:06 PM

Nintendo isn't trying to focus on graphics, they're trying to focus on gameplay. Therefore, Wii graphics look a bit similar to GC graphics, but nobody (should) care.

I know Nintendo focus on gameplay, but I´m talking about PBR...
Do you really think Game Freak is focusing on game play? Or graphics? Or whatever?
No, they aren´t. They aren´t even focusing in us ! Because if they did, they would listen to our ideas, our stories, pay attention in our characters, pokemons, and EVERYTHING!
I was reading the complains about the 4th generation of pokemons, and they are right, most of the new pokemons looks like a 4 years old kid drawn!

Interesting to notice that I saw MOST OF THE VIDEOS FROM IGN, not from youtube.

do all these features?
Wich features???????????
That´s a Stadium with 2 or 3 new features! (Wi-fi battles, wireless connection with a DS, and customing trainers) what else?
Do they even use the most inovative part of the Wii? The wii-mote is only to select options in menus! It should be used to trow a pokeball, or something like that.
This game is CRAP and don´t use 40 % of a Wii to run it.

In this thread: http://pkmncommunity.com/showthread.php?t=75860
I saw the entire topic, searching for evidences of the compatibility PBR/GBA, but I found only IDEIAS, not information from Nintendo.

I´m sorry guys but I still with the same opinion: PBR is crap.

**Prepares an blind mob for one of the people who´s going to say "BR is awesome"**

Hayate

January 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM

Release your stolen-mob-thingy from me again me, I still find BR awesome and I'm sure I'm not the only one. If you don't like BR open a topic and go complaining there, dunno if the mods and the BR loving population will accept it. Still, what you say is YOUR opinion, I'm fine with it if you don't like BR but please, don't say such things in a PBR part of the community. I'm gonna buy BR and will say it straight in your face: BATTLE REVOLUTION IS AN AWESOME GAME. Can't deal with my opinion? Then go sit poorly in a corner, forgotton and ask yourself twice if the game REALLY is that bad, I dunno if you've played it yourself first.

acrof

January 24th, 2007, 03:25 PM

If you don't like BR open a topic and go complaining there
I did it, you are posting on it!:knockedou
I'm gonna buy BR
Me too;)
Can't deal with my opinion?
My god!
I accepted every single opinion here! Including yours!
Then go sit poorly in a corner, forgotton and ask yourself twice if the game REALLY is that bad, I dunno if you've played it yourself first.
:tired: The one who isn´t accepting a opinion IS YOU !
If you think PBR is awesome, open your own topic, INSTEAD OF SPOILING MINE!
Go see a doctor, my friend, you are sick.

Hayate

January 24th, 2007, 03:53 PM

Geez, you are such a nice person to have a slightly argument with ^^"..I've always learned to stay away from those people acting like crap so I will.

Just to keep on-topic, BR has no bad construction

acrof

January 24th, 2007, 04:57 PM

I've always learned to stay away from those people acting like crap :laugh:
So........
Stay away from yourself!
(remember you provoked first, but we still can be friends)
C ya!:)

Ichaste Pekoni

January 24th, 2007, 07:49 PM

(I'm getting a wave of deja vu...in a bad way)

I'm certain now......it's much clearer.

I'm gonna buy BRMe too

Okay, your credibility just dropped to zero. If you're going to buy the game, then why did you make this thread? And why do you keep complaining about it??

So........
Stay away from yourself!
(remember you provoked first

...YOU made this thread, and your first post is sheer provoking...your admitting to going to buy the game is the proof.

I´m sorry guys but I still with the same opinion: PBR is crap.

THEN WHY ARE YOU BUYING IT!!!!!?????????

~Celebi~

January 24th, 2007, 09:27 PM

I agree with Ichapokemr. Why buy a game that you're completely dissing. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you hate the world because it isn't perfect than you can do either of two things.
1- Believe that the world is imperfectable
OR
2- Go commit suicide or something.

Actually another thing
3-Make you rown pokemon game for the whole world to see. Send it to Nintendo/Game Freak and see what they think about it.

Pokemon Battle Revvolution is

TTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEE BBBBEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSTTTTTT

acrof

January 25th, 2007, 09:18 AM

THEN WHY ARE YOU BUYING IT!!!!!?????????
Arf........
FOR THE 50TH TIME: BECAUSE I LIKE POKEMON BATTLES , AND THAT GAME IS BETTER THAN A NET BATTLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GE IT????????????????????????????????????????????
AND, I´M STILL A FAN OF POKEMON, WHATEVER HAPPENS! EVEN IF "THEIR MOST PERFECT GAME" IS CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with Ichapokemr. Why buy a game that you're completely dissing. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you hate the world because it isn't perfect than you can do either of two things.
1- Believe that the world is imperfectable

1- I belive, but I can´t belive that the Pokemon Company ( wich is $ rich $ ) made a game
with Game Cube Graphics, Low creativity , with poor features, etc.............................
But I´m still going to buy it because it´s POKEMON, and I love it!
AND I´m completely sure you guys think that way, you know that PBR don´t use the full power of the Wii but you are still going to buy it. Why? Because it´s Pokemon! Don´t you agree with me?
2- don´t want me to answer this.
3- SURE! Give me the money!
Pokemon Battle Revvolution is
TTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEE BBBBEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSTTTTTT
OK I agree. Is the best that pokemon get so far, but I just think it should be better for
this new generation of games.
Pokemon is losing fans because of the low creativity of their owners. Don´t belive?
If you look at the selling list of pokemon games you will see something like this:

Pokemon red/blue/yellow: sold about 11.000.000 of copies:shocked:
Pokemon gold/Silver/Crystal: sold about 7.000.000 of copies:)
Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald sold about 4.000.000 of copies:\
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl will sell about (do the math):(

The same happens to stadium to Colosseum, to XD, and probally will happen with PBR
Let´s wait to see.

Serebii

January 25th, 2007, 06:12 PM

DP has already sold around 3 million in Japan alone. Therefore your theory fails

As for Gamecube Graphics. I have experienced PBR's graphics and they are better than cube graphics, although really you cannot tell with Youtube videos...thats why a Wii with a Component Cable is required. Plus don't forget the Wii isn't that much more powerful than a Gamecube so the graphics cannot be completely better. You will see however...this game is GORGEOUS.

This game is about battling, it doesn't need an RPG. Stadium didnt have an RPG and its great. This is just a new stadium, and it has some of the most challenging battles you will ever come across so why don't you play it and actually see it for yourself before you continue going on moaning about it.

Don't forget. Youtube Quality = RUBBISH. It's not a valid way of determining things

acrof

January 25th, 2007, 07:07 PM

DP has already sold around 3 million in Japan alone. Therefore your theory failsHe he , I forgot about the wi-fi battles!:embarrass
They do miracles.:laugh:

Plus don't forget the Wii isn't that much more powerful than a Gamecube Yes it is! About 3 times more powerfull!
so the graphics cannot be completely better. Yes they cannot be be completely better, but they can be a little better.;)
If you really played it, that vanishing pokeball glitch stills there? I´m a bit curious now...

This game is about battling, it doesn't need an RPG
But pokemon is based on an RPG! Why can´t they make an Story mode, even a Colosseum crap kind?:P

I´m satisfied with D/P, it´s great, and it´s wi-fi battles make it better.
(waiting it´s english version to battle you guys!:cool: )

But making another Stadium didn´t sound good to me, and for other kind of gamers.:\

OK then. Let´s wait until I play it, then we can just stop with this thread, I´m getting tired of trying to defend my cause.:cross-eye :D

Serebii

January 25th, 2007, 07:18 PM

If they made a story mode...like a Crap Colosseum Kind as you put it...you'ld be moaning about it and say "Why couldnt they go back to the roots of Stadium" guaranteed

top8inU.S.A.

January 25th, 2007, 07:26 PM

I'm glad shadow pokemon are out and Stadium-like games are in.

^Joe? Never knew you were here!

Kiyoshikane

January 26th, 2007, 02:34 AM

If they made a story mode...like a Crap Colosseum Kind as you put it...you'ld be moaning about it and say "Why couldnt they go back to the roots of Stadium" guaranteed

Unless they made some overly complicated plot involving you becoming a Poke...

...wait, that's screwed up in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon :(

Still, I didn't mind the stupid plots of Pokemon Colloseum and Pokemon XD, which looks like a laughing turd and a silly man with markers on his face, but the one thing I hope they remove is this : the annoying girl who follows you around and asks stupid questions :(

I haven't played the game yet, so I hope that GameFreak doesn't do anything stupid with Pokemon Battle Revolution (in the English version) and add some kind of "unique" feature that crashes your Wii, your TV, your game, and your life :(

Still, this thread may become prone to flaming wars, so if that ever happens...

Well, we all must respect our opinions, and even if acrof doesn't like it and the rest of us do, we all have to accept that :D

Or die a painful death :( You decide.

Ichaste Pekoni

January 27th, 2007, 03:02 PM

Arf........
FOR THE 50TH TIME: BECAUSE I LIKE POKEMON BATTLES , AND THAT GAME IS BETTER THAN A NET BATTLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GE IT????????????????????????????????????????????

Yeah, you just admitted that the game could be worse.

AND, I´M STILL A FAN OF POKEMON, WHATEVER HAPPENS! EVEN IF "THEIR MOST PERFECT GAME" IS CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1- I belive, but I can´t belive that the Pokemon Company ( wich is $ rich $ ) made a game
with Game Cube Graphics, Low creativity , with poor features, etc.............................
But I´m still going to buy it because it´s POKEMON, and I love it!
AND I´m completely sure you guys think that way, you know that PBR don´t use the full power of the Wii but you are still going to buy it. Why? Because it´s Pokemon! Don´t you agree with me?

...Okay, but just because it's a Pokemon game doesn't mean it's an automatic buy. I didn't even TOUCH Dash or Trozei because they didn't look like good games. So, don't use that as an excuse.

Piloswine Magnet

January 29th, 2007, 08:57 PM

homelesscarl

February 1st, 2007, 12:12 AM

Well, I've seen stuff from this game, and it looks awsome to me. I can't wait for it to get here already!

acrof

February 4th, 2007, 04:37 PM

Yeah, you just admitted that the game could be worse.
...Okay, but just because it's a Pokemon game doesn't mean it's an automatic buyI know, but , why can´t you guys accept a opinion?
It´s a worth a try because uses the wi-fi connection, and it´s bad because (read the first post)
I didn't even TOUCH Dash or Trozei because they didn't look like good games. So, don't use that as an excuse. Neither do I.
You are using it as an excuse, not me. I´m going to buy because of the wi-fi battles, and ONLY because of that, I wrote it before I explained why we still buy Pokemon games.

OK, If you don't want the game, then why did you post here?
For the 51th time: BECAUSE I LIKE POKEMON BATTLES.

Ichaste Pekoni

February 4th, 2007, 08:07 PM

I know, but , why can´t you guys accept a opinion?

......Because you posted it like it was fact. You didn't say "I think this is a bad game", you said

This game is CRAP and don´t use 40 % of a Wii to run it.

acrof

February 6th, 2007, 11:01 AM

X( ....
That´s a opinon, a way to see the game.
I stay with mine.
You didn't say "I think this is a bad game"
Only because I didn´t say in these words, that don´t mean it wasn´t a opinion.

FoxHound!

February 6th, 2007, 06:26 PM

Only a fool judges a game by graphics alone.

Don't make these remarks till you play the game.

acrof

February 6th, 2007, 07:19 PM

I´m not judging this game only because of it´s graphics, but because of a lot of things.
If I were looking only for graphics, I would sell my GBC, my N64, my SNES, etc.:)
I still have them, and I like them because of the originality, and in my experience in playing
and finishing about 20 RPGs in 9 kinds of consoles, I´m saying this game is not that good
as you may think, it´s simple as that.

Have you ever stopped to understand the story line of ANY pokémon RPG?
Defeat team generic, beat the E4 and become the champ, WOW!!!!!!!! What a great history!!:D

And now they are trying to make a remodeled Stadium? Again? A 1999´s game with rounded graphics!
Where´s the story, where are the graphics, WHERE is the originality pokémon had when it´was released in Pokemon green?
Now we get just "remodeled ideas" from Game Freak.

Kiyoshikane

February 7th, 2007, 12:44 AM

If I were looking only for graphics, I would sell my GBC, my N64, my SNES, etc.:)

Hold it! (in the obvious style of Phoenix Wright games, which are surprisingly funny :D) Do you still play those systems? I have a N64 and a SNES, but I don't use them anymore. How can you prove that you still do :D

Wait... loading takes awhile...

Have you ever stopped to understand the story line of ANY pokémon RPG?
Defeat team generic, beat the E4 and become the champ, WOW!!!!!!!! What a great history!!:D

OH LOL

Pokemon games have some originality to them, as you'll see in the sidequests. Plus, it's fun to whoop the Gym's butts all day long :D

And now they are trying to make a remodeled Stadium? Again? A 1999´s game with rounded graphics!
Where´s the story, where are the graphics, WHERE is the originality pokémon had when it´was released in Pokemon green?
Now we get just "remodeled ideas" from Game Freak.

OH NO YOU DIDN'T JUST SAY POKEMON GREEN :(

Still, you're complaining about the graphics, which while you may personally care about, I feel if you're obsessed with the graphics, don't buy the game, or any Pokemon game for that matter, because the graphics suck royally :O

And the story wasn't that bad : it needed more texture, or whatever they put on hot dogs these days. Also, how is it a 1999 game? So what if they remake it again, for people to enjoy? You needed the chance to see Pokemon go 3D; otherwise all those n00bs would be complaining about OMG WHEERE MY 3DD POKAMON and start the infamous hissy fit which can destroy a world within 25 feet of Uranus.

Also, you can't expect Pokemon to last with originality. Look at "InuYasha". It's basically the same plot over, but it can still be mindless fun.

My point meaning: if you truly dislike the game, that's your own opinion. You may or may not have said that. However, some aspects of the game which you personally do not like: people do like, Nintendo has fixed the problem, or it's meant to be there for a reason.

Oh, blah, I'm finished. Let's keep it simple:

If you don't want the extra space, the chance to play a game for what it is, and a Pokemon game, OK. If you're interested in the game, by all means play it.

[/endrant] OH NOES I FEEL A MIGRAINE :(

Kraka-chan

February 7th, 2007, 06:31 AM

Well, I saw a few clips and pictures from a games magazine.

Although it was nice to see the Pokemon pummling each other, I'm sure they could have done a lot better, especially where some of the beam attacks and such are concerned.
Doesn't mean I won't be getting the game though. I can't wait to have my very own custom Trainer (probably with a better hat).

acrof

February 7th, 2007, 02:08 PM

How can you prove that you still do Hehe!
I have them and a lot more!
Here is a pic of them:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/tudo.jpg
Sorry for the bad quality of the picture, I took it with a web cam.

I also have a white a Sega Saturn, a 3DO, a GBA, a Game Cube, and others that are not in the picture!:knockedou

So when I´m saying I dislike/hate PBR it´s because it lacks in originality, not only for graphics!;)

Ultima

February 7th, 2007, 02:47 PM

I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

*There´s no storage system

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I hope the next Pokemon release they change these details...
It´s not as good as I spected...
What do you think?

You know the Game is still in development, not all the models are finnished so they will use the models from Pokemon Stadium 2 untill they are finnished.
Its as simple as that, they need to use the models so the game doesn't crash or look like a pokemon is fighting air.

FoxHound!

February 7th, 2007, 04:25 PM

Esupio

February 7th, 2007, 05:34 PM

Pokemon hasn't being original since G/S, so why you're kicking up a fuss now is ludicrous, I saw a video of it today in a store, and it's looking immense, why change the winning formula of stadium? When they tried to do that they made two of the worst gamecube games I've ever played.

You've never played Aquaman then.

Never a judge a game by Youtube videos, also Kaku is right that pokemon hasn't been original since G/S so you can't really call this game un-original like its the first pokemon game to be un-original.

RSL

February 7th, 2007, 06:55 PM

Acrof, please do us a favor and KEEP YOUR FRIGGIN' OPINION TO YOUR FRIGGIN' SELF! The last thing of all people here want is to have people like YOU create... well, you get the idea.

I see what the problem is now. You're neither an elitist or a pessimist. You are simply too picky, just like the vast number of people I know on some distant forums...

PBR is such an excellent game in almost every category; to see someone bash it for the tiniest thing is just... weird IMO.

Kiyoshikane

February 7th, 2007, 10:32 PM

Hehe!
I have them and a lot more!
Here is a pic of them:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/tudo.jpg
Sorry for the bad quality of the picture, I took it with a web cam.

I also have a white a Sega Saturn, a 3DO, a GBA, a Game Cube, and others that are not in the picture!:knockedou

So when I´m saying I dislike/hate PBR it´s because it lacks in originality, not only for graphics!;)
WRONG ANSWER :D

I meant how do we know you still play them, not how do we know you have them :(

... And no one cares that you have a Sega Saturn. SRSLY. NOW GIVE ME IT :D

And besides, all Pokemon games have lack of originality, but PBN has customizable trainers :D Doesn't that amount to something :D

OK, enough smilies. WHAT I DO WANT TO KNOW, is, do you have a Wii? If not, this whole topic is merely spectaculation, a grave error, and you will have no idea on how awesome the controls can be when used right.

Anyways, see ya next time :D

acrof

February 8th, 2007, 12:08 PM

I see what the problem is now. You're neither an elitist or a pessimist. You are simply too picky, just like the vast number of people I know on some distant forums...

What´s your problem?
I´m judging the game NOT YOU.
SO DON´T JUDGE ME.
So if you say I´m picky, what about if I said that your are stupid, or looks like ****.
Would you like that?
And also you said that´s the problem?
Argh!:cross-eye
I meant how do we know you still play them, not how do we know you have them
That´s impossible! ^^
How can I prove that? XD
do you have a Wii? If not, this whole topic is merely spectaculation, a grave error, and you will have no idea on how awesome the controls can be when used right.
I know what a Wii is capable of. But in my opinion this game (Pokemon Battle Revolution) don´t use all a Wii can offer, simple as that! ^^

FoxHound!

February 8th, 2007, 01:08 PM

So if you say I´m picky, what about if I said that your are stupid, or looks like ****.
Would you like that?
And also you said that´s the problem?

If you said that you'd be outright flaming him and breaking the rules, which would be a rather silly idea if you want your opinion taken seriously.

pikachulover306

February 8th, 2007, 03:34 PM

If you think about it the graphics are ok but I mean it's on the Wii not a PS3 or Xbox360. Maybe if you had a HDTV it might show up better but thats my opinion. I personaly want to get battle revolution so I can destroy people on the internet with my precious pikachu :)

acrof

February 8th, 2007, 04:31 PM

If you said that you'd be outright flaming him and breaking the rules
I respect opinions , i respect when people dislikes my ideas, but never, NEVER I would let someone judge my personality. Especially when the person don´t know me correctly.

I try to be as polite as possible, but these things make me furious.
Try to understand, that I don´t like to start any discussion.
And I apologize , RaikouSpecialLover, if I disrespected you with my post.
which would be a rather silly idea if you want your opinion taken seriously
And who here took my opinion seriously? 2 or 3 members only.
A opinon , no matter whose, should be taken seriously, don´t you think?

Also instead of exploring the real objetive of this topic (what do you think of PBR), many just ignore that and start to say that I´m insane,
say that my ideas about this games are crazy, etc..................
And in the end say the game is amazing, cool,etc.....

And I have to answer, because I´m the one who started this, and because of that people misunderstand me.

RSL

February 8th, 2007, 07:04 PM

Apology accepted. OK, so I accidently judged you and not your opinion this time; I had a really bad day at school when I posted that, OK?

Anyway, never judge YouTube. Want to know what you SHOULD judge?
http://stage6.divx.com/?cid=divxtopnav
Can't say the graphics look bad now.

(And ever since Colosseum, the old Pogeys NEVER were used fresh from the N64. Look VERY HARD.)

acrof

February 8th, 2007, 07:36 PM

I had a really bad day at school when I posted that, OK?
I make mine your words...:laugh:
I also had a hard day at school when I posted that too.:knockedou

furrypaws16

February 8th, 2007, 09:40 PM

I understand.

You want a new stadium game, because this just seems to be a repeat. Let me explain something to you.

Pokemon is basically made of three branches. The real games (R/B/Y/G/S/C/R/S, and the list goes on), the stadium games (Stadium, Stadium 2, I'm afrain to put these in, but Colloseum and XD), and those stupid spinoff games (Snap, Trozei, Puzzle League, to many to count =P). The first two branches will remain the exact same, or close to that for as long as Pokemon will be running. Thus, PBR will be close to the exact game as Stadium, just as Pokemon D/P will be very similar to R/G.

Also, many of you are complaining because Pokemon is kiddy, easy, and appeals to the young. The sad truth is, that's all Pokemon was meant to be, and all Pokemon will be. Easy, easy, easy. If you dislike it, find a Pokemon hack that is challenging, or, make a Pokemon hack that is challenging, OR play online. Online battling is as challenging as Nintendo is going to make it, which is actually VERY challenging.

Thank you for your time.

Kiyoshikane

February 8th, 2007, 11:22 PM

You know what? This topic will be a guaranteed flaming war, if this keeps up. :(

Anyways, in regards to how to prove it, just film it or something. I think some webcam's have video function, or you can get one of those (stupid) video cameras. :P

I get bad days at school. We get whipped, and occasionally, we get expelled because we spelt a word wrong. I hate school. I'm emo * CUT CUT *

Anyways, any further comments on if you have a Wii? :P I'm a pessimist, so I want to know what you think of the controls, if you have ever played a Wii (not trying to insult you; many people have never played a Wii before :O) before. It shall be phun :D

Ichaste Pekoni

February 8th, 2007, 11:41 PM

WHAT I DO WANT TO KNOW, is, do you have a Wii? If not, this whole topic is merely spectaculation, a grave error, and you will have no idea on how awesome the controls can be when used right.

*slaps self*

I can't believe I didn't think to bring that up...

I know what a Wii is capable of. But in my opinion this game (Pokemon Battle Revolution) don´t use all a Wii can offer, simple as that! ^^

But HAVE YOU USED ONE BEFORE?? You can't truly understand what a game system can do until you use it for yourself. The system specs aren't even a true gauge, believe it or not, as there's a certain.............."spark" about playing it that you don't get by looking at specs.

Ratiasu-kun

February 9th, 2007, 01:26 AM

Seriously though, Pokémon Battle Revolution is about the battles, if you want the RPG experience, thats what Diamond and Pearl are for

The graphics are how theyre meant to be, and if you cant live with it, well ... weve already asked why youre buying it already... Graphics arent everything. I mean, look at Pong! It was the great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather of videogames and you know what, it still reigns king.^_^

Oh, and Ultima, the game is finished. Since its completely released in Japan. Now theyre just translating it.

acrof

February 9th, 2007, 04:47 PM

But HAVE YOU USED ONE BEFORE??
Of course!
In this same topic (i think is in the first page) I talked about a friend who got a Wii, right?
Well this same friend asked me to teach him how to use it (1- I live in Brazil so we don´t speak english/ 2-my friend is also brazilian, and needed a translator to understand the manual);) To thank me he let me play how many times I wanted!:cool:
I played about 16 times, and my arm is still aching :P
We played Zelda, Wii Sports, and Pokemon Colosseum to test the GameCube compatibility.
so I want to know what you think of the controls
They are light, very easy to use. But I don´t liked the fact they use two AA batteries, instead of being rechargeable...
The Wii itself is a little heavier than it looks in pictures, but it´really beautifull.^^
Also I liked to watch movies using my aunt´s camera SD card, in the Wii.

You see the console is amazing, and ít don´t need to be a PS3 to have good graphics, if you compare the specs of a Wii and a GameCube, a Wii is almost 3 times more powerfull, and GameCube´s graphics were very good to me! (except for Colosseum and XD, of course!)

Pokemon is basically made of three branches. The real games (R/B/Y/G/S/C/R/S, and the list goes on), the stadium games (Stadium, Stadium 2, I'm afrain to put these in, but Colloseum and XD), and those stupid spinoff games (Snap, Trozei, Puzzle League, to many to count =P).
No,no
XD and Colosseum are RPGs (WHAT I´M SAYING????????) just like (?????) R/B/Y/G/S/R/S/E/ETC. ^^

Bombsey

February 9th, 2007, 06:49 PM

Nintendo likes money.

Therefore, making a game which will no doubtly sell millions, no matter how awful it is [*coughthatBattleRevolutionhappenstobecough*], is good in Nintendo's mind.

...OMGZ CARACTUR CUSTEEMIZASHUN HOW ORIGEENAL!!!11111

FoxHound!

February 9th, 2007, 06:52 PM

Bombsey, character customization is original in the Pokemon franchise. So your post was rather...contradictive to facts.

furrypaws16

February 9th, 2007, 10:22 PM

Well, ok, put Colo/XD wherever. You still got the point. Also, we've seen what they've done with the 3D RPGs.

Don't post in pink, it makes my eyes melt. X___X

Also, it's not JUST like it. They dropped a lot, like gym leaders, free roam, and catching pokes (those three pokemon areas in XD aren't really...well, pokemonish). It'd be cool if you could go into catching areas for PBR, but I guess not. Oh well. I'm now, officially out. And when you sign out from a conversation, there is one thing you must do;

Furrypaws16

Kiyoshikane

February 10th, 2007, 01:37 AM

Of course!
In this same topic (i think is in the first page) I talked about a friend who got a Wii, right?
Well this same friend asked me to teach him how to use it (1- I live in Brazil so we don´t speak english/ 2-my friend is also brazilian, and needed a translator to understand the manual);) To thank me he let me play how many times I wanted!:cool:
I played about 16 times, and my arm is still aching :P
We played Zelda, Wii Sports, and Pokemon Colosseum to test the GameCube compatibility.

Are you some kind of stalker? I have those exact games :(

I got bored playing them, though, so now I'm sitting on my computer, NOT burning any calories :D

They are light, very easy to use. But I don´t liked the fact they use two AA batteries, instead of being rechargeable...
The Wii itself is a little heavier than it looks in pictures, but it´really beautifull.^^
Also I liked to watch movies using my aunt´s camera SD card, in the Wii.

I heard that one third party company, whos name I can't remember, is making a rechargeable dock for the Wii, so once you're finished using it, all you have to do is just place it on the dock and it will recharge :D

Anyways, hopefully pulling on topic now. I've never played Pokemon Battle Colloseum, so I'll wait for the reviews. In the meanwhile, before you do anything else, I recommend you try it first. Maybe see if you can get an imported Japanese Wii or something, and try out the game :P Or just wait until EBGames puts up their Wiis and puts in Pokemon Battle Colloseum. That's my recommended course of action right now, because honestly, who knows what the game is like until you try it, right? For all we know, Pokemon Battle Colloseum may look to suck at first impressions, but we never tried it, so we don't know if it's good or not.

OH NOES I GOT LOGICAL SHOOT ME NOW

[/endrandomness]

Jim

February 10th, 2007, 05:06 AM

I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

*There´s no storage system

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I hope the next Pokemon release they change these details...
It´s not as good as I spected...
What do you think?

If some of the Pokemon are the same as Stadium 1 or 2 that is because Nintendo want to get the game released. It might only be the video of a beta, the game is still unfinished. Anyway, if they spent ages completley 3D Modelling/Re-Modelling Pokemon then you'd only be moaning that the game won't be out until 2009...

Ratiasu-kun

February 10th, 2007, 11:25 AM

Guys, the game has already had its full release in Japan. So it is done. Unfortunately, what you see is pretty much what your gonna get, unless the other versions improve over this.

Ichaste Pekoni

February 10th, 2007, 11:31 AM

Of course!
In this same topic (i think is in the first page) I talked about a friend who got a Wii, right?
Well this same friend asked me to teach him how to use it (1- I live in Brazil so we don´t speak english/ 2-my friend is also brazilian, and needed a translator to understand the manual);) To thank me he let me play how many times I wanted!:cool:
I played about 16 times, and my arm is still aching :P
We played Zelda, Wii Sports, and Pokemon Colosseum to test the GameCube compatibility.

They are light, very easy to use. But I don´t liked the fact they use two AA batteries, instead of being rechargeable...
The Wii itself is a little heavier than it looks in pictures, but it´really beautifull.^^
Also I liked to watch movies using my aunt´s camera SD card, in the Wii.

You see the console is amazing, and ít don´t need to be a PS3 to have good graphics, if you compare the specs of a Wii and a GameCube, a Wii is almost 3 times more powerfull, and GameCube´s graphics were very good to me! (except for Colosseum and XD, of course!)

Okay. Y'know, there are a lot of people out there who don't like the system because of the way it looks (a good number of them Sony fanboys, but that's beside the point), but they've never played it yet. You can attest to how fun it actually is once you start playing, right? It's kind of similar here: don't judge a game [system] by its cover, as it might turn out to be a lot more fun than it looks.

because honestly, who knows what the game is like until you try it, right? For all we know, Pokemon Battle Colloseum may look to suck at first impressions, but we never tried it, so we don't know if it's good or not.

(Side Note: ...Am I the only one here who actually ENJOYED XD...and was okay with Colosseum??)

Bombsey

February 10th, 2007, 04:56 PM

Bombsey, character customization is original in the Pokemon franchise. So your post was rather...contradictive to facts.

In other words, the Polkamon franchise can't keep up, and is trying to impress people with out-dated ideas?

acrof

February 10th, 2007, 05:26 PM

In other words, the Polkamon franchise can't keep up, and is trying to impress people with out-dated ideas?
Kind of.
Sometime ago I was complaining about the Pokemon Co. being rich and making game with stadium 1 pokemons, etc.

But now I understand that´s not a fault of Pkmn Co.
We fans, in a urge to get a new game, make they do their work in a hurry, and with that
they create a game in 6 months. So the final result is a game that don´t do everything that was spected. I think every single pokémon game suffer from that.

In the end we are the best and the worst part in pokemon games creation.
(We pay them, they get rich. But with that urge to get a gme we make them lose time to develop a really good game, in fact, I belive every game we get is 50% of what they can really do)

Jim

February 10th, 2007, 05:59 PM

Guys, the game has already had its full release in Japan. So it is done. Unfortunately, what you see is pretty much what your gonna get, unless the other versions improve over this.

Oh yeah, Sorry bout that :D .

pikachulover306

February 10th, 2007, 07:38 PM

I still love all the games (even snap, but that was when I was 5 and thought that chocolate milk came from brown cows:laugh:)

Anyway I like the graphics for the Wii I mean they are better than Gamecube and make Gamecube games look better.

Jim

February 11th, 2007, 05:47 AM

Mmm... Chocolate cow... Anyway I reckon they should of imported the Graphics from XD or Colluseum. Is there RPG on this or is it totally battle like the name suggests?

Bombsey

February 11th, 2007, 06:57 AM

I've never seen any announcements from the Polkamon Company stating that "the fans want the game to be made fast".

And besides, if they spent longer on a game, wouldn't it satisfy the gamers more?

I think it's more to do with the fact that Polkamon fans lap up whatever's given to them rather than fans making the company rush it.

Jim

February 11th, 2007, 07:59 AM

Yeah but people do complain when they have to wait a long time or things are delayed.

acrof

February 11th, 2007, 09:17 AM

Yeah but people do complain when they have to wait a long time or things are delayed.Exactaly!
And they know we don´t want to wait ,and release games fast, and with that they can´t
do what´s really necessary.
Is there RPG on this or is it totally battle like the name suggests?
No, it´s a giant " not-completely-remodeled" Stadium.

FoxHound!

February 11th, 2007, 11:53 AM

In other words, the Polkamon franchise can't keep up, and is trying to impress people with out-dated ideas?

To be honest, Pokemon is an out dated idea, yet you still seem to happily be on the forums about Pokemon. Nothing Game Freak does will make Pokemon original, they tried that with the horrible shadow and XD Pokemon

Stick to what they know and they can;t go wrong.

acrof

February 11th, 2007, 05:01 PM

Actually I think they should improve what they have, but not as slow as they are doing now.
They should call fans to help them. They sure aren´t doing it.

Shadow and XD ideas weren´t good because they were supposed to be stronger or at least cooler than the original ones, but that´s not the case.

They tried it with digimon and they got good results. First because they abandon the childish part of it making it looks cooler, and tried again with a new "older" character
(14 yo instead of a 10 yo boy) in Digimon Savers, also they got new drawers and the anime looks more realistic. Also Diamond & Pearl aren´t alone in DS with a wi-fi RPG
monsters game.There is a "Digimon World DS" now, and it´s wi-fi too.

I don´t think that would fit with Pokemon, but Game Freak should learn 1 or 2 things with them.

You see I´m a open minded person, so I can like something else besides Pokemon, so Digimon do what Pokemom don´t do for me, so please don´t start that:
"OH! YOU LIKE DIGIMON TOO!?
BUT THAT´S THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD, AND YOU ARE STUPID TO LIKE THEM"
thing.

FoxHound!

February 11th, 2007, 06:16 PM

Since Digimon 2003 on the PS1 there hasn;t being a half decent Digimon game. Digimon is also a completely different concept to pokemon, so really, that's a pointless comparison

acrof

February 11th, 2007, 08:11 PM

pikachulover306

February 11th, 2007, 10:10 PM

I really think it wasn´t.
Pokemon fans that were there when red,blue/gold,silver first came out, are older now
And those fans (me for example) really hate the childsh part of Pokémon.
Just to compare: When pokemon started on TV here, I was 9 years old and Ash Ketchum was 10, now I´m 16 and Ash is still 11!
You see, a more mature character should take Ash´s place, it´s ridiculous to stay like that!

Also new drawers for the anime would be awesome! Like they did on Knights of the Zodiac
and Digimon Savers for example. The quality in Pokemon animes nowadays is good but could be awesome!

Don´t get me wrong, I´m NOT comparing Digimon and Pokemon, I´m just saying it would be great if they intorduced to pokemon some digimon features.
EX: A full 3D evolution (instead of that sucky flash light), a mature main character in anime, new drawers for the anime, etc.

True I was a fan when I was 6, that was when Red and Blue came out and I loved it, but it the thing with Ash you can't really blame them the Anime was made for kids , but then you have the poke fans who still like the show so they keep watching it because you saw it as a child and want to know what happens later on in the story. New drawers would be ok to make it look better. True about the fUll 3D evolutions would be awsome but if you think about the whole digimon thing it would have to be in 3D because if it was like Pokemon it would not remind you of the show. Then again all the Pokemon games were on the GBA/GBC which cannot put out grophics like the digimon games.

Kiyoshikane

February 11th, 2007, 10:41 PM

Oh wow, Digimon? I don't even remember that thing anymore...

Anyways, taking out the child part in Pokemon would result in massive failure. Pokemon was pretty much made for children, and taking it out would effectively destroy the fanbase they have right now. It would also look like those horrible drawings that were made of those Super Mario Bros. if they were for older guys.

Think about it: Ash with guns? NO.

Anyways, this has well gone over Pokemon Battle Revolution, and into the core of Pokemon, so I'll prob. stay out of this one, and just watch as the ensuing flame war goes on and on.... :D

pikachulover306

February 11th, 2007, 11:15 PM

Back on topic the graphics for actual gameplay are good, not looking in the background at a hexagon pokeball that was probaly put in there by the designers on purpose. I mean the arena's are beautiful they make me cry:'( . the trainers don't look too bad either, plus I don't look at the background when I'm having a wi-fi battle I'm focusing on my pokemon ( GO PIKACHU!!) and just enjoy the game, it's not like the pokemon start disapearing or messing up while your playing. you can't really say the graphics are bad unless you have your own copy of the game or have played the it and you see problems during gameplay. You can't just say the graphics are bad off of a video you seen on youtube or where ever. I made my judgement off of some nice clear videos I've seen. Until it comes out in the US and UK and you play it for yourself then you can get a good idea of what it looks like on your tv and can judge all you want.

Bombsey

February 12th, 2007, 10:03 AM

Exactaly!
And they know we don´t want to wait ,and release games fast, and with that they can´t
do what´s really necessary.

Those are the impatient ones >> If a game is delayed with a good reason, so be it. The company may have overestimated itself, or run into problems >>

Battle Revolution seems to have been rushed to release. I mean, the Wii's only just been released, and there's a Polkamon game on it already? We haven't even got a Mario game or a Zelda game that was actually supposed to be on the system...

...I mean, if those games can take so long to produce, why not Polkamon? Is it because they believe everyone who plays it has the mind of a child, that they are easily impressed? Yes, I know the complexity of the battle system, but why not expand that? How about into the actual storyline? Something to break this idea that Polkamon is only for children? Something like the storyline for Polkamon Special? Heck, the creator of Polkamon [whose name escapes me at this moment] said that Polkamon Special was closer to his vision of what Polkamon should be. And that was made by a different company! So if they can do it, why can't GameFreak?

I suspect it has something to do with sales. If the games are selling so well, why change them? I suppose you could say that the gamers may lose interest, but I doubt that. So GameFreak will continue to churn out by-the-numbers Polkamon games, and the fans will lap them up.

Ichaste Pekoni

February 12th, 2007, 06:09 PM

Those are the impatient ones >> If a game is delayed with a good reason, so be it. The company may have overestimated itself, or run into problems >>

Battle Revolution seems to have been rushed to release. I mean, the Wii's only just been released, and there's a Polkamon game on it already? We haven't even got a Mario game or a Zelda game that was actually supposed to be on the system...

...I mean, if those games can take so long to produce, why not Polkamon? Is it because they believe everyone who plays it has the mind of a child, that they are easily impressed? Yes, I know the complexity of the battle system, but why not expand that? How about into the actual storyline? Something to break this idea that Polkamon is only for children? Something like the storyline for Polkamon Special? Heck, the creator of Polkamon [whose name escapes me at this moment] said that Polkamon Special was closer to his vision of what Polkamon should be. And that was made by a different company! So if they can do it, why can't GameFreak?

I suspect it has something to do with sales. If the games are selling so well, why change them? I suppose you could say that the gamers may lose interest, but I doubt that. So GameFreak will continue to churn out by-the-numbers Polkamon games, and the fans will lap them up.

...I'm afraid that I'm not familiar with this "Polkamon" that you speak of.

Aside from that, this is going WAY off the original topic, so I'm getting out of the discussion.

pikachulover306

February 12th, 2007, 06:17 PM

Battle Revolution seems to have been rushed to release. I mean, the Wii's only just been released, and there's a Polkamon game on it already? We haven't even got a Mario game or a Zelda game that was actually supposed to be on the system...

Going a little off topic but they do have a Zelda game on the Wii it was one of the first games they start selling after the Wii came out. But yea it was rushed some but I guess they wanted it to come out when Diamond and Pearl are released so they can make a good profit. I think almost all the people who are buying Diamond and pearl are going to get Pokemon Battle Revolution. This is just me but I'm getting it beacuse I'm getting Pearl and beacause I was planning on geting it anyway but there both coming out close to each other so the majority of people will buy them together, not saying all just the people who can spend about $80 for both( which ever game they are getting if all three games then it's about $110). Even so the graphics really are good for a game being rushed. Do we even know when they started making this game? It could have been started in January 06, and some games have there little flaws but I'm sure they will get it fixed before it is released.

acrof

February 12th, 2007, 06:31 PM

Then again all the Pokemon games were on the GBA/GBC which cannot put out grophics like the digimon games.
Well, in this case i was talking about 3D evolutions in the anime, but in the game that would be great too!

Think about it: Ash with guns? NO.Not guns or violence. But Ash is soooooo childsh sometimes that make vomit. (Oh no pikachu!/ I love you/ please don´t loose, my dear friend!)
ARGH!!! Sometimes a 3 years old boy is more mature than he.

Ash to me is so patetic, he is in his journey since he was a real kid, but instead of growing up a little, he´s more childsh now than when we were at the Kanto league on TV.

At least they should make two versions of it, one more mature, and other for kids!:\

Also it don´t need to be a gun, it could be a fist, why not?
In Digimon, they do this, in Dragoon Ball they do this and in a hell of cartoons they do it,
EVEN ASH TRIED TO PUNCH MEWTWO IN THE FIRST MOVIE!:shocked: :laugh:

I suspect it has something to do with sales. If the games are selling so well, why change them? I suppose you could say that the gamers may lose interest, but I doubt that. So GameFreak will continue to churn out by-the-numbers Polkamon games, and the fans will lap them up.
They sure won´t loose interest, if they loosed interest in bad/different games they would hate XD, Colosseum, PBR, Stadium, etc, just because it´s another kind of game.

Anyways, taking out the child part in Pokemon would result in massive failure.Not even a little.

Also what´s the problem introducing some violence into the anime, or the game?
Many 6 yo boys play Resident evil, Black, Mortal Kombat and others much more violents than pokemon will ever be. And you see, they enjoy it very much!

Actually I think they should start all over in each journey they did (Kanto, Jotho, etc).
Because when a possible new fan watch the anime it would in the same time turn off the TV
WHY?
Because they don´t know HOW it starded, how it works, what´s a gym, what´s a trainer, etc. And for not understading they will not like the concept of Pokémon NEVER.

Jim

February 12th, 2007, 07:11 PM

Ash has got more childish by each series up to yet. Even more so with the Current Voiche Actor, Even more high pitched than the Kanto Years.
Going a little off topic but they do have a Zelda game on the Wii it was one of the first games they start selling after the Wii came out.

He meant that the Zelda Game wasn't planned to be released on the Wii

Anywho back on topic, I think it'll be reverting back to the Stadium 1/2 Days so it won't be worth £40-$80 (Not sure on Americas current currency). But yeah, not looking too promising is it?

wakachamo

February 12th, 2007, 07:48 PM

On a complete random and separate opinion, here comes waka's rant XD:

OK, so, graphics? I mean, come on, it's a Pokémon game. You don't expect it to be fully realistic, plus, like someone's mentioned a long time ago, the YouTube videos' quality is quite the one comparable to crap itself, so it's really hard to see. What about that hexagon ball? Maybe it was created on purpose? You've seriously got to admit that some of the stages, despite being short were beautifully well done, and it seriously is considered top-notch for a console like Wii.

And about the gameplay, I really think this is an expansion for D/P. There really isn't a storyline, and I think this is really supposed to be another way to battle with your D/P Pokémon online in 3D. The real plus of this game is the online and the DS connectivity, period.

Shiny Umbreon

February 12th, 2007, 10:53 PM

I think the graphics are great, but as ive said all along graphics dont make a game, its gameplay that does it, thats nintendos aim...

Totally agree...Graphics don't mean anything. And they're not terrible, they're okay. You just can't make Pokémon look real. Pokémon games are always the same (or similar).

I still like R/B/Y. Even if their graphics suck, they're still fun games. I don't like FR/LG more because they're from GBA, it's because the did a remake, rather than including new things like berries and contests (not that I dislike them, I just think they don't suit well with old games)

Bombsey

February 13th, 2007, 07:22 AM

Going a little off topic but they do have a Zelda game on the Wii it was one of the first games they start selling after the Wii came out.

Twilight Princess was originally meant to be on the GameCube, but Nintendo took a while to make it...and it is said to be one of the best in the series...thus proving some kind of point...

...but using that theory, Duke Nukem Forever would be the best game ever... so it depends, really... I mean, Duke Nukem Forever has been started again about 5 times in the past 7 years >>

...I'm afraid that I'm not familiar with this "Polkamon" that you speak of.

I can't be bothered to write out Pokémon every time...

...it doesn't deserve the time >>

Chibi Pika

February 13th, 2007, 10:23 AM

Threads like these = lol.

Yes, I admit, I would have wanted them to redo all the Pokemon, but that really isn't an option. The new ones look fecking awesome, a lot of old ones were redone, and the others were soothed over a bit. My biggest complaint is Suicune's tails, but I can live with it. I also dislike some of the slow attack animations, but in the first contact Pokemon game

And what is up with the random Ash discussion. Do any of you even still watch the anime? Voices are irrelevant, Ash has definately grown throughout the series. And I haven't seen any endless friendship blather in a long time. It's lots more subtle and believable as of recent. While we all know the anime is rather repetitive, that's never gonna change.

Collosseum's plotline was innovative, a little forced, too short, but still good. XD improved it in every way imaginable--excellent, imo. Stop complaining, people. One plot subject repeat is better than the same stadanrd "version" game rpg we've seen over and over" (I'm not dissing the version games, btw.) A battling game is welcome, but now. Jamming a plotline into PBR would have ruinined it.

It's thread like this, honestly... *shakes head.*

~Chibi~

And wtf is up with all the crap over the haxagon Poke ball? It was obviously intentional, game over. *kills all discussion of it with a spoon.*

acrof

February 13th, 2007, 12:52 PM

I made this topic because I´m probably the first here to get SICK AND TIRED of a Pokémon game being made in a hurry TO SELL!
This repetitive scene should finish, for the integrity of Pokémon, because one day this will be SO repetitive that most of the ones playing it will get sick and tired of the prehistoric pokémon gameboy style.
The most wonderfull games in history took YEARS to be done.
And PBR was made in about 6 months!

Even the Wii don´t completed 6 months yet!

What would happen to a pokemon game if they make it slowly but completely well done?

Chibi Pika

February 13th, 2007, 02:18 PM

I realize that. Heck, Red and Blue took ages to to complete, if I remember completely. But did it ever occur to you that they probably started making PBR before the Wii came out? There is no way in hell that they made it in 6 months. And even if they did, what else could they have done (besides revamping all the Pokemon)?

And by repetitive do you mean gameplay? It's a battling game. Nothing more, nothing less. And the point still is that Pokemon, now and forever, is a handheld series. You want gripping plotline that'll take you hundreds of hours to finish? Go play Mystery Dungeon. Go nostalgia and play Crystal. PBR is for battlers.

And to be honest...they could make the best Pokemon game on earth and people would still complain about it

Y'know, anyone who can't figure out the central theme of this post gets a whack.

Among other things:

Why do you want a storage ststem? That's pretty minor, and I wouldn't even call it desirable. Like I want my Pokemon stuck on a consode to play with them.

The remixed voices in Stadium 2 were annoying. Zapdos and Mewtwo in particular.

Considering that characters are not the main focus of Pokemon games, the trainer customization is good enough.

And what difference would it make if the trainer put the Poke ball into their pocket? Totally irrelevant

~Chibi~

Shiny Umbreon

February 13th, 2007, 03:30 PM

Why do you want a storage ststem? That's pretty minor, and I wouldn't even call it desirable. Like I want my Pokemon stuck on a consode to play with them.

The remixed voices in Stadium 2 were annoying. Zapdos and Mewtwo in particular.

Considering that characters are not the main focus of Pokemon games, the trainer customization is good enough.

And what difference would it make if the trainer put the Poke ball into their pocket? Totally irrelevant

~Chibi~

Good points. Still, trainer customization could have been a bit better.

Bombsey

February 14th, 2007, 10:29 AM

It's still rushed compared to how long Super Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess have been in or were in production, compared to Battle Revolution.

Collosseum's plotline was innovative, a little forced, too short, but still good. XD improved it in every way imaginable--excellent, imo

...

...

...Heh. Play a good RPG. Heck, a lot of good games, and then you will see a good plot. Trust me. Even the clichéd ones are better than XD and Colloseum's plots.

You want gripping plotline that'll take you hundreds of hours to finish? Go play Mystery Dungeon.

...

...

Heh.

And to be honest...they could make the best Pokemon game on earth and people would still complain about it
The best Polkamon game would be perfect...and thus be lacking glitches. So glitch-fans would complain. But if they had a good storyline, good new Polkamon, and good length and some glitches [hey, they're fun when they want to be!], then I doubt the number of complainers would be larger. Hell, I wouldn't complain.

Go nostalgia and play Crystal
I strongly agree with you there =P

And what difference would it make if the trainer put the Poke ball into their pocket? Totally irrelevant
Things like that would have made the game feel more finished, and less like a cash-in.

Smarties-chan

February 14th, 2007, 10:46 AM

Icha, Kaku and Waka win this thread. Bombsey would too, for having his own, different, but not biased opinion about PBR, but I'm afraid that talk about 'Polkamon' puts him just below the you-win-this-thread-mark. n_n And because I feel like it, here comes my rant:

Ho-hum, where to start... oh yeah, the graphics! Why are you complaining about the re-using of old models? Most of them look fine (though I still wish Aerodactyl's graphics would be changed. <.<) and remodeling all old Pokémon would take a ridiculously long time, especially considering they have all the old ones to remodel too. =| You're also forgetting the real eye candy in this game: the stadiums, and even more, the attack effects. (Hail, Ice Beam and Rain Dance, anyone?) So what if they used a hexagon for the Pokéball graphics for one of the arenas? That might very well be intentional. It wouldn't even take them a minute longer to make it ball-shaped.

As for the complaint on the systems: the trainer customization and Pokémon actually making physical contact (even though the Pokémon still don't really bite eachother with Bite, Crunch, Ice Fang etc.) are very nice features along with your D/P Pokémon gaining experience. And need I say a Pokémon MMORPG would have the word failure printed all over on it with capital letters? How would the battles work? Would battles take place wherever you are at the moment you encounter the Pokémon or would the trainer be transported to a battle arena that matches the environment, and if so, would the trainer be visible for others or would it just dissappear when the battle starts and reappear when the battle ends? None of these options sound very good to me. ._. All areas would also have to be huge and that is totalky not Pokémon. In Pokémon games you're meant to walk to the otherside of the world in a couple of minutes. And on top of that, MMORPGs are always full of clueless n00bs who just go around saying ''Lol give me gold plz. >:'', ''i dunno how 2 poste. teach me plz'', ''I n00b give me stuff' and ''[CENSORED] you for not giving me stuff!'' That would be a nightmare. ._.

And seriously, do you really expect the games to become anymore else than what they are now? They're either completely battle-based or have a beat the evil team, defeat the gymleaders, become a champion-plot and that'll never change. And please stop whining about how the Pokémon franchise is childish. The anime and games are meant for kids. If you want more mature Pokémon stuff, might I suggest you go and read the Pokémon Adventures manga? Scans for the first 8 volumes (soon to be 9, I think) have been posted on PC and are free for anyone to view.

Anyway, back on topic.
I didn't even TOUCH Dash or Trozei because they didn't look like good games. So, don't use that as an excuse.
Neither do I.
You are using it as an excuse, not me. I´m going to buy because of the wi-fi battles, and ONLY because of that, I wrote it before I explained why we still buy Pokemon games.
You're contradicting yourself here. First you said you're buying Pokémon Battle Revolution just because you like Pokémon and now you're saying it's because you like Pokémon battles. If Wi-fi is the only reason your buying the game, why not just play Pokémon Diamond or Pearl instead? You can have Wi-fi battles on those too.

acrof

February 14th, 2007, 11:27 AM

First you said you're buying Pokémon Battle Revolution just because you like Pokémon and now you're saying it's because you like Pokémon battles. If Wi-fi is the only reason your buying the game, why not just play Pokémon Diamond or Pearl instead? You can have Wi-fi battles on those too.
Why?
-Larger screen
-Sony Stereo
-and 3D (bad but it´s 3D:P ) graphics.
--etc
Also I like pokemon and pokemon battles, it´s kinda similar.

The anime and games are meant for kids.But WHAT WILL HAPPEN when these kids get a little older? THEY WILL COMPLETELY FORGOT about pokémon! And why? Because it´s too childsh to them.

If you want more mature Pokémon stuff, might I suggest you go and read the Pokémon Adventures manga?
I wouldn´t care if I could battle wi-fi with others around the world using my manga...

But did it ever occur to you that they probably started making PBR before the Wii came out? There is no way in hell that they made it in 6 months
How can someone develope a game to a system that didn´t exist, at that time?

And by repetitive do you mean gameplay? It's a battling game. Nothing more, nothing less. And the point still is that Pokemon, now and forever, is a handheld series.Sometime ago I would accept that, but that´s for me an EXCUSE.
Let me explain:
When you say it´s a battling game you mean that it don´t need a RPG feature to be good,
right?
So PBR is like a Stadium. And when Stadium was created there were no space in the prehistoric 64´s cartidge, so a RPG would never fit in it.
Things changed when the GameCube came out. Now it was a Mini DVD with about 30 times more space than a 64´s cartridge, and thus came Colosseum and XD, WITH RPG IN IT.
And now with a normal sized DVD it can store 3 times more data than a GameCube´s disc,
and a 3 times more stronger processor, the Nintendo Wii could EASILY run 3 PBRs at the same time, so why not to put an RPG mode, and other cooler features in it?
Why rush to release such a game?

...Heh. Play a good RPG. Heck, a lot of good games, and then you will see a good plot. Trust me. Even the clichéd ones are better than XD and Colloseum's plots.
I completely agree!:D

The best Polkamon game would be perfect...and thus be lacking glitches. So glitch-fans would complain. But if they had a good storyline, good new Polkamon, and good length and some glitches [hey, they're fun when they want to be!], then I doubt the number of complainers would be larger. Hell, I wouldn't complain.
My god you stole these words from my mind!:P

Dragonfree

February 14th, 2007, 01:15 PM

Oh, come on, people always complain about everything, no matter how good or bad it is.

Just relax and judge the game by how much you can enjoy it. Yeah, of course it's annoying that they didn't remodel all the Pokémon, but honestly, I don't get why people must be so awfully negative about every damn thing that they wanted and happens not to be there. There will never be a video game that is absolutely everything you wished for, period. Just accept it; think, "Ah, well, it didn't have this, but it did have this and that," and then either get the game or don't get it depending on whether you think you can still enjoy it. What's the big deal about whining and calling it crap all over?

I don't like the Stadium model of Arcanine either, but that doesn't suddenly make me go on a hissy fit about how crappy the game is and the world is ending. :/ It's still fun.

Alter Ego

February 14th, 2007, 01:29 PM

Nyu, agreeing with Dragonfree here. Seriously, this whole thread seems like one big flame bait and a lot of folks seem to be taking it. -.-

If you don't like BR then don't play it. If you're going to play it anyway, then what's the point of all this whining? Whining like a hurt little animal about how awful the game is while at the same time saying that you're going to play it anyway is just plain silly. I mean, if you're going to play it flaws or no then what's the point of complaining? Just keep it to yourself, no need to went your personal gripes on PC. xP

Bombsey

February 15th, 2007, 06:43 AM

Any kind of plot would be better than the plotless games we have been given. It doesn't have to be dark.

I realise Polkamon is aimed at children, but that doesn't mean it has to have no plot.

pikachulover306

February 15th, 2007, 06:57 AM

Any kind of plot would be better than the plotless games we have been given. It doesn't have to be dark.

I realise Polkamon is aimed at children, but that doesn't mean it has to have no plot.

Plot has nothing to do with why the graphics are bad they are not though

I still do not know what Polkamon is please spell it right. I'm not being rude but other people will talk bad about your spelling and be much more rude than I was

Bombsey

February 15th, 2007, 07:12 AM

Plot has nothing to do with why the graphics are bad they are not though

I still do not know what Polkamon is please spell it right. I'm not being rude but other people will talk bad about your spelling and be much more rude than I was

Plot makes a game a hell of a lot more enjoyable, and playable.

And for the second time [oh yay!], I spell Pokémon as Polkamon because I do not feel I should spend the time to type it out correctly. Hey, most people spell it as Pokemon or Poke'mon anyway, so what's the big deal?

I could comment on your grammar, but I won't.

Chibi Pika

February 15th, 2007, 10:20 AM

Alright... ><

I'm not saying that PBR wasn't rushed. They just probably new that with the huge influx of P/P Pokemon, people would be dying for WiFi 3D battling, and that's what they gave us. The RPG was the focus of Colosseum and XD, while the battling was just some sort of side bonus. PBR's main focus is battling. It was not made with the intent of satisfying the need for a long, gripping plotline. Some more Stadium-ish features would have definately made it better, I agree, but the point still remains that Pokemon is first and foremost a handheld sries.

I doubt we'll ever get an in-depth 3D game. But who cares? People complained about Diamond and Pearl too, and this whole generation is just driving me crazy because of whining fans.

And Bombsey--I always thought you spelled Pokémon that way to make fun of it like that Weird Al song. xD

~Chibi~

Bombsey

February 15th, 2007, 03:42 PM

I doubt we'll ever get an in-depth 3D game.
I have to agree D=

But who cares?
Me, unfortunately.

People complained about Diamond and Pearl too, and this whole generation is just driving me crazy because of whining fans.
I happen to be one of those whiners D= Although I can't really be called a fan anymore.
And Bombsey--I always thought you spelled Pokémon that way to make fun of it like that Weird Al song. xD
That is where it came from...but I've never listened to the song D=

acrof

February 16th, 2007, 02:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chibi Pika
I doubt we'll ever get an in-depth 3D game.

I have to agree D=

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chibi Pika
But who cares?

Me, unfortunately.
I agree completely with this.

But I´m still a fan, and I like pokémon, and I can´t accept how the pokemon concept is being so badly used by it´s owners. :disappoin

swtaznsteph

March 15th, 2007, 12:02 AM

Sorry to uhm change/bump the topic a little, but I wanna point out some things..

As much as you can say, the Pokemon Co. is very rich, that does not mean they'll just be happily spending all of that money. Business people LOVE money. (Okay, that's overexaggerating juuuust a bit.....But you get it..)
Now, we see little kids out and about everywhere. There are obviously a little more kids than teens and adults yes? Sooo...When you have business people and a huge audience, the business people would target the huge audience. They don't care about spending the money as much, they care about MAKING it.
And who's the target of those business people? Kids. Why kids? 'Cause there's a huge lot of them. What do young children like to do when the new Pokemon game comes out? They yell and scream to their parents "MOMMY MOMMY I WANT THIS POKEMON GAME!! IT'S SOOO COOL!!!" (.......I'm pretty ashamed to say this but I was one of those kids...ahaha....^^;; )
Now, when the kid goes home with his new game, he rips open the glossy shrink wrap, unveiling a glowing, holy box of 10 hours worth of entertainment...No eating..no sleeping..potty breaks every three hours.....Ahhh the feeling of...Wait I'm talking about little kids aren't I...?
I mean, they'll rip open the shrink wrap and jump around to get big brother to put in the game console.
Will those children actually take the time to ANALYZE THOROUGHLY the blue Pokeball in the background? Do they even know what a hexagon is? (Actually hexagons refer to a six sided object, rather than a 3D object.)
So after a week, the game is thrown to the side to be replaced by something "cooler" and "funner"...

Well that's a cliched story for you. Of course that doesn't actually happen in many houses, but my point is: If you're rich, and you have the money, business hot shots would wanna make more money, and how do you do that? Through persuading kids to persuade their parents.

Plus...remodeling way over 300 Pokemon? Has anyone ever tried modeling and rendering...? It's....painful (for large projects anyway) and extremly time consuming....Despite the large amount of money they might have, you also consider the company they gotta hire, the number of designers, the music composers, editors, script writers, coding people, directors, sound people, etc. There's so many of them to keep track of..x_X

But back to what I wanted to get at with this point: Modeling is a pain in the butt. It might seem a little easier to REmodel, but hey, that's hard too. you gotta get certain math stuff (coordinates and measurements..) right and everything. One miscalculation and you can end up with a spiky cheekbone. (Ewww...)

So who wants to spend ALL that time to do just that, when some little kids are just gonna put it off to the side anyway?
Teens, are of course, slightly different...They might end up playing the game at random moments (Like for me for instance, I still play Pokemon Puzzle League and STadium....I have several moments where I just HAVE to play them but end up whining about it...) But here's the thing: Not many teens are gonna BUY the things 'cause it's not sophisticated to them. I'm not saying Pokemon should be sophisticated, but to attract a wide amount of teenagers to buy an item would mean making certain things sophisticated and mature enough for them. And Pokemon sophisticated? If not a little, than no way. Maybe in fanfics and somewhat in the first movie, but never in the official stuff.

And to add an additional point: Think about those people who have to go through all of that stress and work just to provide us models of the new Pokemon alone!! If you were hired and told to remake a Dragonair, it would probably take you at least a month to get it nice and pretty. Okay, now that you've got Dragonair, what about the other 100 Pokemon you gotta work on? And when you're done with THAT there's the rendering of the backgrounds and the people and even the trainers themselves. Lemme tell ya, even professionals have a hard time with that. (Though if you've seen Shrek, you'd have a laugh with all the mess ups Dreamworks has created hehe...) 'Cause it takes up so much time and energy and..THINKING...

Also consider that those people have a life too. There's family and children and friends, possibly drama going on. I sure as heck wouldn't be very happy sitting in front of the computer for 10 long hours just trying to get a detail right while I have friends and family to be being with. Sure they love their job but you know people need a break from what they love too once in a while.

TO CONCLUDE EVERYTHING:

I think we should just be HAPPY we even have a Pokemon Wii game out. I've been dreaming about something like this since the Wii came out and I'm pretty darn happy about it!! Better something rather than nothing!! 10% is better than 0%!
So let's not hear any more complaints, punch a fist in the air and yell out YEAH I GOT PBR!!!!! when we get it!!!!! :D

Also I think a closing of this thread would be nice......Unless other people want to share their opinions about this as well?

......This topic reminds me of how DBZ ALWAYS ends up being so popular even though there's been like 12 movies and 200 games out there....They even use the same stuff over and over again too..XD

Okay now...
*Hides away before anyone can attack because of all the pointless and confusing nonsense that's been spewed.*

acrof

March 17th, 2007, 09:10 PM

Think about those people who have to go through all of that stress and work just to provide us models of the new Pokemon alone!! If you were hired and told to remake a Dragonair, it would probably take you at least a month to get it nice and pretty.
One month?
No, actually 2 minutes!
Do you know why?
Well, today they don´t make a 3d model out of lines and numbers, etc, anymore...

Let me explain:
If you have a sculpture, or a toy like this:
http://www.toysnjoys.com/pokemon/talkingmanafi.jpg
Simply put it into a professional scanner and...... You get a pokemon model!!!!!
That´s why the last generation of pokemons are so perfect in PBR!
And that´s why, I think they COULD, AND SHOULD, "remodel" every single pokemon.

Will those children actually take the time to ANALYZE THOROUGHLY the blue Pokeball in the background?
YES! They will, because today those children play PS3, and XBOX 360, so they know what a round ball in a game is, and to prove, my little bro did so, and I don´t pointed that to him, he noticed it by himself.

Now, when the kid goes home with his new game, he rips open the glossy shrink wrap, unveiling a glowing, holy box of 10 hours worth of entertainment...
10 hours of game.
Let´s talk about a game that would take at last 1 week to finish, that would be great!
But PBR you can finish in... in...
0 seconds?

I think we should just be HAPPY we even have a Pokemon Wii game out. I've been dreaming about something like this since the Wii came out and I'm pretty darn happy about it!! Better something rather than nothing!! 10% is better than 0%!
So let's not hear any more complaints, punch a fist in the air and yell out YEAH I GOT PBR!!!!! when we get it!!!!!
Yes! Iwas dreaming about how THE POKEMON GAME FOR WII would be, how it would use the Wii-mote in the game (throwing the pokeball, maybe?), I was so excited about this game, and....
once again, I was disappointed with what game freak did.

Another "made to sell" pokemon game.

Don´t get me wrong, I kinda like PBR, but I can bet that this game is not what you, me and a hole lot of red/blue/yellow generation of pokemon fans were hopping for, when the Nintendo Wii was first shown as "Nintendo Revolution".