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goofy_charizard_girl
January 21st, 2007, 11:16 PM
Do you remeber an episode in which Ashes pikachu didn't want to evolve(it was when Ash wanted to battle Surge in Vermilion city)? Or his bulbasaur? I think that was because both of his pokemon didn't want to change personaly-you know, they didn't want to change their personality(this might sound strange but still.XD). So what do you think? If you were a pokemon trainer how would you feel about evolving your pokemon and with it changing its personality? Imagine that you are very attached to a pokemon whose personality you really like. And than he evolves and becomes different(not only on the outside). Wouldn't you miss your old friend?
I know that I would still be happy if my pokemon would evolve though that means that he or she would change. But if he/she wouldn't want to evolve I would be ok with that too. I belive that pokemon can still be stronger than its evolved form-if you use the right strategy and you train your pokemon hard there is no telling what things he or she can do or endure.

Wuchuhurd
January 21st, 2007, 11:35 PM
Ash is very stubborn! If his quest is to become the greatest trainer ever, than he has to realize that at some point he must evolve his Pokemon so that they become stronger and more efficient. He needs to learn to put certain sentimental fundamentals (how do you like that rhyme?!) aside at the expense of improving the team! The way I see it, evolving your Pokemon doesn't change its personality, it ENHANCES it!

Forever
January 21st, 2007, 11:50 PM
Trainers should get used to it's new attitude, it may be mean at first..like Pikachu, but then it will somehow remember how it was before. I don't have anything against personality changes.

Goku Goku
January 23rd, 2007, 06:29 PM
The personalities of anyone and anything either take years to change/develop into something else, or don't change at all. I don't think the Pokemon whne they evolve have a personality change - their perception just changes, and the trainer's perception of them would broaden or change, but personality is still the same.

marz
January 23rd, 2007, 07:23 PM
Well, I mean having a strong tough macho pokemon isn't all in the poke world. I think if it evolves it becomes a whole new pokemon. My way to see it is if there is a Bulbasaur, when it becomes Ivysaur, there will be no trace of Bulbasaur in it, unless you count personallity being the same. Ash is moronic and contradicts himself in every episode. It just gets worse and worse, and more pathetic every show.

Mrbadboy3
January 23rd, 2007, 07:35 PM
well remember ash's charmander? It liked him then it evolved and would barely listen to ash.

Auron
January 24th, 2007, 08:38 AM
That's true. When Ash's Charmander evolved, it became more rebel. And when it evolved into Charizard...Really rebel xD

Alter Ego
January 25th, 2007, 10:03 AM
Well, evolution is certainly a very significant change in the pokémon's life as it's a complete, and sometimes very radical, change of their body (Just think about a Remoraid evolving into Octillery, or Slakoth to Vigoroth :O) and sometimes also metabolism (A Vigoroth, for instance, has a far quicker one than Slakoth, same relation occurs with Abra (Which sleeps 18 hours a day) and Kadabra), and with these changes in the chemical reactions within the pokémon's body a personality change is certainly not out of question. It could certainly be quite sudden too. For instance, I'd imagine that a Vigoroth would get hyperactive very quickly, which is already a significant change from the very passive Slakoth stage. Also, a timid and withdrawn Magikarp could certainly start feeling like the king of the world when it suddenly realizes that it's about twice the size of its former bullies and has the power to wreck whole cities in a single tantrum. (Can we say 'payback time'?) xD

Even though I hate to drag in the anime (As it seems to be getting more and more ridiculous and sloppily written with every episode .___.) in a debate, the case I mentioned above could also be related to Ash's Charmander gaining an attitude with evolution. He was originally abandoned for being weak, remember? I'd imagine that the newfound power of being a Charmeleon (And even moreso a Charizard) would make him want to be strong and independent, thus explaining the rebel attitude.

Meh, just the way I see it, though. ^-^

Wuchuhurd
January 25th, 2007, 12:04 PM
good point on the Magikarp! which tempts me to bring up Feebas. Now we all can agree Feebas is one ugly Pokemon and is fairly weak. But once its evolved into a Milotic, not only does it look so much purtier but it becomes easily one of the most powerful Pokes in the game! Kind of like kissing a frog and turning it into a prince!

of course looks aren't everything, but it couldn't hurt to improve your image!

MrDreavus
January 25th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Well, if I remember, did James have a Weepinbell? And then when it evolved in to Victreebel, didn't it begin to eat him every time he bought it out?

Aether
January 25th, 2007, 07:19 PM
yeah that was definately a change, but sometimes pokemon do not change, Ash's Treecko never really changed at all when it evolved into Grovyle/Sceptile or his Krabby, Phanpy or Pidgeotto, of course i could be wrong. But the way I see it, is sometimes pokemon change, sometimes they don't, or at least that is how it is in the show ^^;

BlackLabel-Atreyu
January 25th, 2007, 11:09 PM
yeah that was definately a change, but sometimes pokemon do not change, Ash's Treecko never really changed at all when it evolved into Grovyle/Sceptile or his Krabby, Phanpy or Pidgeotto, of course i could be wrong. But the way I see it, is sometimes pokemon change, sometimes they don't, or at least that is how it is in the show ^^;

Man I was gonna use the treecko thing! Haha, but that means it is a good point if more than one person thought of it.
I think, that no matter how hard you try with a non-evolved pokemon, if someone with one that is evolved tries just as hard, you can't beat them. Unless you use drugs like protein, carbos, etc. But even then it's a slim chance.

I don't think they change when they evolve. So I'm pro evolution ^.^
But if I knew ahead of time that they'd change for sure, I wouldn't do it.

Tetsuya
January 26th, 2007, 03:05 AM
What They all Said well i dont really care and yea h ash is very stubborn

Théo
January 26th, 2007, 03:06 AM
When a pokémon evolves, he becomes stronger and all that stuff. So his perception changes (for example Ash's Charmander who thought that his trainer was not so good for him) as well as his personality. But it also depends of how he was BEFORE the evolution, just like Alter Ego said.

So if I was a trainer, if one of my pokemon don't want to evolve, that would be OK for me. I don't want a pokémon who hate me because I've forced him.

Alter Ego
January 26th, 2007, 07:03 AM
Now we all can agree Feebas is one ugly Pokemon and is fairly weak.

...

Don't make me smack you...<.<

Believe it or not, there are actually plenty of people on these forums (myself included) who actually think that Feebas is both more beautiful and way more lovable than the scaly worm known as Milotic, so please refrain from making such insulting and baseless statements. Feebas need more love, yes they do. Are they weak? Yes. But they are still absolutely adorable and actually provide valuable assistance in several breeding chains, so don't dis them.

Now if you want to talk ugly then pokémon don't get much uglier than the mutant freak you've depicted in quadruplicate in your avatar. But I digress, this is not a matter of appearance but of personality, yes? Yes it is.

Anyway, I still maintain that the anime is a very bad source of examples because it has had a tendency to, quite frankly, suck lately, and both the writers and the dubbers have made some abbysmally stupid things to it over the years.

Man I was gonna use the treecko thing! Haha, but that means it is a good point if more than one person thought of it.
I think, that no matter how hard you try with a non-evolved pokemon, if someone with one that is evolved tries just as hard, you can't beat them. Unless you use drugs like protein, carbos, etc. But even then it's a slim chance.

Now that's a logical fallacy right there. Many people thinking something doesn't make it any more valid, you know. If it did, then the earth would be flat, wouldn't it? Don't make me bring in the proverb on a million flies and their opinions on what good food is like. xP

Also, unevolved pokémon can certainly beat their evolved forms. Clamperl, for instance, can abuse Deepseatooth to gain the highest SAtk in the whole game (Exceeds Mewtwo's by 15, I think) and thus easily eliminate both Gorebyss and Huntail. There's also the small matter of strategy and skill. It doesn't matter how hard you try if you don't have a clue about what you're doing, so a more experienced trainer could easily beat an evolved pokémon with an unevolved one, especially if there's an experience difference between the two pokémon. Still, that is also kind of off-topic.

Oh, and I'm pro-evolution in most cases (Feebas being an exception, I only evolve one for the pokédex), but I still maintain that it's quite valid to argue that it could cause personality change, as many pokémon actually have specific personality traits mentioned in their pokédex data (Such as Vigoroth and Primeape being depicted as aggressive and restless by nature, or Tailows being brave) and sometimes this clashes with that of their earlier form. (Again, I'm mainly pointing towards the examples of Magikarp and Slakoth here) So yeah, can't we all just be happy with personality change being a viable option? ^^

goofy_charizard_girl
January 26th, 2007, 09:08 AM
I don't want to go out off the topic but I just have to say that you should not discuss which pokemon is more beautiful (right Alter ego and J Rauwd?) and stuff like that, cuz people are different and have different opinions of pokemon. And by saying that a pokemon is ugly or sth you can easily insult somebody. So please respect each other.:) Btw I like both, Feebas and Deoxis.:P Oh, and thanks to all of you who posted here.:)

Zishi
January 30th, 2007, 05:28 AM
Hey dude you are right but ash doesn`t know this!

♥~*Abby*~♥
February 4th, 2007, 05:09 PM
ash needs to stop being a baby and FORCE his pokemon to evolve. i evolve my pokemon no matter what. it doesnt matter how uncute they become, i dont really give a hoot.

Harmony
February 4th, 2007, 05:29 PM
i would ask the pokemon first before i evolved it then it all depends on, yes because mays pokemon personality changed too .

remember torchic was so outspoken and couragoes more than anything.

then combusken was just a laid back pokemon that dont take nothin from no body especially T.rocket

now blaziken
so serious and no playin around[/SIZE]

Legendary Squirtle
February 4th, 2007, 08:53 PM
ash needs to stop being a baby and FORCE his pokemon to evolve. i evolve my pokemon no matter what. it doesnt matter how uncute they become, i dont really give a hoot.

And that's the diffrence between the games and the anime. In the game your pokemon can and will evolve when you met a certain objective (getting to a certain lvl, stones, trading). In the Anime its different, your pokemon evolve when its wants too. There are no lvl's, you could train it forever and still not get a pokemon to evolve. In the Anime the pokemon evolves when it wants to. You can't force a pokemon to evolve (unless you use a stone, and even then it might knock the stone away and run off). The pokemon feeling have to be taken into account, which is what Ash does.

As for personality changes, it depends on the pokemon and its history, I guess.

♥~*Abby*~♥
February 7th, 2007, 04:28 PM
And that's the diffrence between the games and the anime. In the game your pokemon can and will evolve when you met a certain objective (getting to a certain lvl, stones, trading). In the Anime its different, your pokemon evolve when its wants too. There are no lvl's, you could train it forever and still not get a pokemon to evolve. In the Anime the pokemon evolves when it wants to. You can't force a pokemon to evolve (unless you use a stone, and even then it might knock the stone away and run off). The pokemon feeling have to be taken into account, which is what Ash does.

As for personality changes, it depends on the pokemon and its history, I guess.

yeah, im evil! ^_^ and if it was a pikachu, if it refused 2 evolve the 1st time, id strap a thunderstone 2 its back!

Vendour
February 7th, 2007, 05:02 PM
The Pokemon's personality definitely changes when it evolves. One notable example that instantly pops into my head: Ash's cute and sweet Charmander evolved into the stubborn hardheaded Charmeleon. You can call it an enhancement or whatever you wish, but its still a change. I wouldnt mind if my Pokemon's personality changed as long as it still liked me and my other Pokemon. Not that this has anything to do with the topic at hand, but yes, Feebas is an ugly Pokemon. And Milotic isnt beautiful.

Billiken
February 26th, 2007, 02:43 PM
i kinda see it like a person going through puberty.(given at a much faster rate). However although your body and hormones and even personality may change you are still the same person deep down, and as the trainer one would just need to be sensative to the big changes, and keep connecting to the new form of their old friend.

Rinji
March 2nd, 2007, 11:46 PM
I think that when pokemon evolve, they go though a sort of sped-up adolescence thing...Their minds stop being so open to learning new skills (i.e. moves), just like an an adult eventually does after being a teen. It probably becomes less playful , or has a different sort of thought process, just as we do when we are adults.


*shrug* Too much psychology class lol.

EDIT: Pretty much what Billiken said xD

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
March 3rd, 2007, 07:53 AM
I think that when pokemon evolve, they go though a sort of sped-up adolescence thing...Their minds stop being so open to learning new skills (i.e. moves), just like an an adult eventually does after being a teen. It probably becomes less playful , or has a different sort of thought process, just as we do when we are adults.

Yea I agree with this, to put it in simpler words Maturing, thats all

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

Ethan621
March 4th, 2007, 09:09 AM
I think Ash and Pikachu have spent a long enough time together that if Pikachu evolved, it would be basically the same. Maybe a bit more tough and macho as a Raichu, but they'd still be best buddies.

BlackLabel-Atreyu
March 4th, 2007, 11:06 PM
I think Ash and Pikachu have spent a long enough time together that if Pikachu evolved, it would be basically the same. Maybe a bit more tough and macho as a Raichu, but they'd still be best buddies.

I am totally behind you on that, Ash needs to evolve his Pikachu.

Captain Arcane
March 13th, 2007, 01:19 AM
No, they wouldn't change, well some, but towards other people.
Ex. Magicarp evolves into to Gyarados, know, lets say if you cared for that magicarp since its birth. When the time comes when it evolves, it would still love you dearly, but it would be agressive towards other people that it does not know.

Drew
March 13th, 2007, 02:12 PM
Well, a human's personality changes as they get older, and thats just the way life is...
so Pokemon should have a chance to grow, and let their personalities change as well.

I mean, if a Pokemon doesn't want to evolve then I don't think you should force it too, but not evolving them for your own reasons seems a little selfish.

It might be sorta scary at first, if they evolve and they're mean, but they'll change...
In my opinion Ash should've evolved alot of his Pokemon... However, what I find weird about that is that alot of his Pokemon are really strong, you know their levels have to be high... but at the same time, they never naturally evolved, nor did they ever fight evolving.
Oo
Whats up with that? When they get to a certain level they freaking evolve...(the ones that evolve with stones) so why didn't Ash's?

It can't be that that many of his Pokemon fought evolution because they didn't want their personality to change.. >> I mean, suupose it could happen, but... x__x
Wouldn't they want to change, evetually?

GrassPokemonTrainer
March 29th, 2007, 07:24 PM
alright this is the way i seee it in the game if u only train 1 pokemon and it levels to let say lvl 30 by the time u get ur 2nd badge it will stop listening to u because u dnt have enough badges ( as u gain badges it says "now pokemonlvls 40 and below will listen to you")


i think the fact that ashes charmander kept levling and evolved ash did not have enough "experience" (said by an old lady in one episode wen it as a charmeleon) i think that ash did not have enough battle exp. or badges then notice how eventually in the movie with entei when ash was much more experianced and had plentty of badges(the movie was horrible) charzard listened to ash perfectly and even came to his rescue