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Signomi
February 15th, 2007, 01:41 AM
Amachi, we so should've played Tic Tac Toe, then YOU'D be the one making this thread. XD

Anyway, it's been brought to my attention that a brief discussion within the Spriters Showcase thread had occured concerning the idea of Spriting Duels.

Spriting Duels are basically going face to face with another member and spriting a piece of the same category, with other members voting on the most alluring piece, the one with the most votes would be the winner.

Both Amachi and I have been talking about the ups and downs of this idea and would now like to hear your say.

Do bear in mind that activity in the sub-forum and people who would be willing to participate in such contest do strike as important factors when considering this idea.

Discuss.

强有力
February 15th, 2007, 02:10 AM
If this happened would it be scratch work or everything. Like recolours,edits,scratch ect. I am just wondering because i am actually very interested in the idea.

Jolty-kun
February 15th, 2007, 02:19 AM
I love the idea, this would probably make the area a lot more active with some competition, but then again, I also once had a spriting duel, which lasted one voted, and one reply, so I dom't know if it's gonna happen this time round, it might be a good idea to think of a way to get other people voting, I think we should just give it a shot and see how it goes, if it works good, then yeah, great. xD; But if it's bad and they have not many replies, then I guess we just forget it. \:
We should have like.. one HUGE spriting event. xD

Signomi
February 15th, 2007, 02:27 AM
I know what you mean, Jolty. And that's one of the reasons why I'm a little iffy with the idea. :/

Quoting from my discussion with Amachi via MSN, I think it's a good idea, trouble is that you have the odd people giving up easily and/or you find that there aren't enough people willing to participate, it always happens. And judging by this sub-forum's activity, it can be very likely to happen, sad to admit.

And If we ever do allow such things to be in play, chances are it will always be the same people wanting to do it again and again, etc. Then eventually the idea would die down a bit, which is what I'm really sceptical about at the moment.

If you guys are willing to dedicate yourselves into promoting this idea with the best of your ability, then I'm all quite for it. It would be nice to see a fresh light amongst this community.

Jolty-kun
February 15th, 2007, 02:43 AM
If you guys are willing to dedicate yourselves into promoting this idea with the best of your ability, then I'm all quite for it. It would be nice to see a fresh light amongst this community.

Yeah, I'd probably be willing to dedicate myself to it, I'm not doing much on this forum at the minute, so I could probably do a reasonal ammount of voting on my part, and probably take part on one or two occasions.
I say we just go for it, and if it doesn't work, at least we know it wouldn't of worked, but I guess then if we didn't try, we wouldn't see how it would go. \:

Alter Ego
February 15th, 2007, 02:50 AM
Nyu, a spriting duel, eh? That sounds fun, certainly, although it's been like...gosh, a full year since I sprited last. o.O Oh well, I'd be willing to give it a shot and poke some of my friends too. They aren't exactly spriters, but I guess a few might join just for the experience. So yeah, I'm all for it, personally. ^-^

On the attendance issue...eh, I guess the best way to keep it popular would be to shamelessly advertise everywhere - a nice little banner-thingie could help, as most forumites love pretty banners - and try to make it look...erm, more like good clean fun and less like an intimidating contest between spriting pros. Sure. you'd get more low-quality sprites that way, but you'd also get more interest, I think. That's just my opinion, though, and I could be horribly wrong. xP

That aside, there was an important point raised here: are we talking complete scratch sprites or is it okay to take parts of existing ones and meld them until you can't tell what the original was? It might make a big difference for the people considering whether to join or not. :3

Signomi
February 15th, 2007, 02:57 AM
On the attendance issue...eh, I guess the best way to keep it popular would be to shamelessly advertise everywhere - a nice little banner-thingie could help, as most forumites love pretty banners - and try to make it look...erm, more like good clean fun and less like an intimidating contest between spriting pros. Sure. you'd get more low-quality sprites that way, but you'd also get more interest, I think. That's just my opinion, though, and I could be horribly wrong. xP
You've got a point there. I'm not too fond of recolours or any of the sort, what I'm looking for here is enough people with interest of the idea, it'd surely be interesting.

That aside, there was an important point raised here: are we talking complete scratch sprites or is it okay to take parts of existing ones and meld them until you can't tell what the original was? It might make a big difference for the people considering whether to join or not. :3
As long as you implement your own touches to already made sprites, then it's fine by me. In Spriting contests, I've never objected to people heavy-editing spritework, in fact I've seen a lot of the kind and found them quite appealing. So anything of the sort is allowed, as long as it's pixel work and your own work, then feel free to be as creative as you can be.

Alter Ego
February 15th, 2007, 03:47 AM
You've got a point there. I'm not too fond of recolours or any of the sort, what I'm looking for here is enough people with interest of the idea, it'd surely be interesting.

I see what you mean about the recolours. Gary with a bad dye job isn't my idea of a good sprite either. xD Anyway, I'll see about pestering a couple of folks, then, as I'd certainly like to see what this could become. ^^ So, basically the more people express their support and provide some sort of promise to participate the better, yes?

As long as you implement your own touches to already made sprites, then it's fine by me. In Spriting contests, I've never objected to people heavy-editing spritework, in fact I've seen a lot of the kind and found them quite appealing. So anything of the sort is allowed, as long as it's pixel work and your own work, then feel free to be as creative as you can be.

Nyu, that's good new for me. I mostly rely on existing sprites because I'm absolutely terrible with poses, takes forever to make one of my own that looks even okayish. >.< So just to clarify with some silly examples, taking - say - Koga's head and sticking it on Lance's body is obviously not an original sprite, but taking Blaine's head, sticking it on a bug catcher's body, and improvising a new outfitand a cane to turn it into a small, cranky old man is a-okay, yes? Just want to see if I got the idea right. :3

Signomi
February 15th, 2007, 03:54 AM
I see what you mean about the recolours. Gary with a bad dye job isn't my idea of a good sprite either. xD Anyway, I'll see about pestering a couple of folks, then, as I'd certainly like to see what this could become. ^^ So, basically the more people express their support and provide some sort of promise to participate the better, yes?

But of course. This could just as well be our chance to liven up the community a bit more. And thanks a bunch, it's appreciated.

Nyu, that's good new for me. I mostly rely on existing sprites because I'm absolutely terrible with poses, takes forever to make one of my own that looks even okayish. >.< So just to clarify with some silly examples, taking - say - Koga's head and sticking it on Lance's body is obviously not an original sprite, but taking Blaine's head, sticking it on a bug catcher's body, and improvising a new outfitand a cane to turn it into a small, cranky old man is a-okay, yes? Just want to see if I got the idea right. :3

Yeah, that's what I mean by heavy editing. More or less just frankensteining body parts of sprites and editing them to fit in proportion with the figurine. But don't try having a flutter over what to do and what may your restrictions be. Sprite like a free bird, young one. ;D

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 07:30 AM
Considering it was my idea I'd be 100% dedicated, I think Esupio would aswell.

I still stick with my judging idea, appointing three judges per duel.

[NovaPirate]
February 15th, 2007, 07:42 AM
I'm all for it, but I still am worried as to who will do it.

It's most likely going to be the very inexperienced new people, a couple intermediate, and the advanced, but what happens when it's all advanced and new people, I mean, it's no fair if your dueling a spriter that obviously has more skill than you. I mean, I would get destroyed against samson or maz.
And then you have to make an entire set of new rules, it's going to be a lot of work, and then with the flood ((Or not)) of new people were going to be experiencing some spammage. Along with the fact that people will make threads like on other sites and not obey the rules. Just my opinions.

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 08:10 AM
I'm all for it, but I still am worried as to who will do it.

It's most likely going to be the very inexperienced new people, a couple intermediate, and the advanced, but what happens when it's all advanced and new people, I mean, it's no fair if your dueling a spriter that obviously has more skill than you. I mean, I would get destroyed against samson or maz.
And then you have to make an entire set of new rules, it's going to be a lot of work, and then with the flood ((Or not)) of new people were going to be experiencing some spammage. Along with the fact that people will make threads like on other sites and not obey the rules. Just my opinions.

To be perfectly honest, the pixel art contests suffer from the same drawback of different skill levels, yet I never hear anyone complain then. There's also the genius idea that you don't challenge someone who's at a much higher skill level than you =/

Signomi
February 15th, 2007, 08:50 AM
I'm all for it, but I still am worried as to who will do it.

It's most likely going to be the very inexperienced new people, a couple intermediate, and the advanced, but what happens when it's all advanced and new people, I mean, it's no fair if your dueling a spriter that obviously has more skill than you. I mean, I would get destroyed against samson or maz.

I can correct you right there, Astral.
As Kaku had stated, you can simply not challenge such people. But if you see competing against someone who obviously has skill you're sure you're uncapable of matching them in some way or another "unfair", then you'll find you'd be living with that same logic in one way or another.

It's a challenge, a challenge to yourself. When there is some kind of pressure on you, do you instantly give up?

Sure, some people do exactly that, but to be honest, they're just putting themselves down and brushing aside the opportunity to see what they can accomplish. Nothing is impossible, people normally do learn from the very creative, which brings us back to this.

Observe your opponent's tricks of the trade and use them to your advantage, that's how you match them. You accomplish nothing for both the sport or yourself if you don't even bother to try.

Spriters of any kind are welcome into competing with each other, if they're up to it. I can't expect people to do things in all perfection, nobody's perfect. There are people who may do things that go below your own expectations, if it gets on your nerves, that doesn't really matter that much, competition remains glued to the matter just the same.

And then you have to make an entire set of new rules, it's going to be a lot of work, and then with the flood ((Or not)) of new people were going to be experiencing some spammage. Along with the fact that people will make threads like on other sites and not obey the rules. Just my opinions.

What I've learnt from my time of moderation throughout the year of 2006 is that enforcing the rules all the way can pull away your forum's activity, let alone activity in an event. I don't want to be too strict, nor do I want idiots rampaging all over the place. But I am a moderator, and alongside Amachi we'd do our job of looking over the event to see what needs to be taken care of.

[NovaPirate]
February 15th, 2007, 09:24 AM
Ok, I see now. So, if the idea does go through, when (And possibly where if you decide to give it a sub board, allthough I highly doubt it) will the duels take place?

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 09:31 AM
Technically whenever people are up to it, Astral, you're being too much of a pessimist, all it ever was meant to be was a little bit of fun, along with the chance to improve your skills as a spriter.

[NovaPirate]
February 15th, 2007, 09:47 AM
Eh, I'm a pessimist at heart. Usually am subconciously. Sorreh for that.

But, when will they actually be approved?
Sure, I understand there won't be a set date, but when can we start? Now?

Signomi
February 15th, 2007, 10:04 AM
Eh, I'm a pessimist at heart. Usually am subconciously. Sorreh for that.

But, when will they actually be approved?
Sure, I understand there won't be a set date, but when can we start? Now?

Well, until both moderators completely feel that it's alright to start one, then we can begin.

[NovaPirate]
February 15th, 2007, 10:09 AM
Umm.. Just a question, but how would the category be chosen, would it be something specific like:

Scratch or Heavy edit a baby Aerodactyl sprite

or something more general such as:

Scratch a pre evolution to any poke'mon

I'm not sure if this has been said or is the current process of a duel, but maybe the person challenged ((Being that he wasn't the one with the idea of having the duel)) if he accepts, chooses the challenge.

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 10:10 AM
So Chrissie, does that mean that there's a good enough chance that it'll take off? As for rules, there shouldn't really be a need for that many, pretty much something like.
1: No aggression towards your opponent/judges, if you can;t play nicely then don't play at all.
2: If you feel the judges were unfair then don't make a big deal out of it, calmly ask for a different set of judges to give their opinions, chances are, they'll say the same/similar thing.
3: Judges won't generally be friends of either contestants, to avoid favoritism, judges are picked randomly from a list of those willing and capable of judging.
4: All other Pixel art, and PokeCommunity rules apply.

Astral, whoever sets the challenge chooses the theme, you donl;t have to directly challenge someone either, you can say "Looking for a challenge" or something along those lines. Personally I think recolours should be banned from the duels, as they involve no skill whatsoever.

Signomi
February 15th, 2007, 10:20 AM
So Chrissie, does that mean that there's a good enough chance that it'll take off? As for rules, there shouldn't really be a need for that many, pretty much something like.
1: No aggression towards your opponent/judges, if you can't play nicely then don't play at all.
2: If you feel the judges were unfair then don't make a big deal out of it, calmly ask for a different set of judges to give their opinions, chances are, they'll say the same/similar thing.
3: Judges won't generally be friends of either contestants, to avoid favoritism, judges are picked randomly from a list of those willing and capable of judging.
4: All other Pixel art, and PokeCommunity rules apply.

There is a good chance that it'll take off, yes. After all I do support this idea as well.

And those set of rules would do nicely. Thanks Matt. ^^

Astral, whoever sets the challenge chooses the theme, you donl;t have to directly challenge someone either, you can say "Looking for a challenge" or something along those lines. Personally I think recolours should be banned from the duels, as they involve no skill whatsoever.

I think it's safe to say that both contestants must agree to the category choice before starting. People tend to lag around when they're given something to do which isn't all to their liking. =/

[NovaPirate]
February 15th, 2007, 10:25 AM
Oh yes, i forgot about that. I would be in a quite horrid mood if I was drawing roses against a florist.

Well, it seems like a good idea. Can't say I contributed to it, but I'm sure this place'll benefit. Thanks:

Signomi, Esupio, Kaku, Dreamweever, Avaitor Maz, and the rest of you jolly good lot.

And definately Amachi. Who has avoided a nice game of tic-tac-toe.

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 10:31 AM
[font=Trebuchet MS]And those set of rules would do nicely. Thanks Matt. ^^


And that's exactly why you should vote Matt for Prime Minister in 2014

Of course both contestants would have to agree to it, same as anything. If you don;t like the theme then you can always say no to the challenger, or ask them to change it.

Makoto
February 15th, 2007, 10:31 AM
Sounds fun. I might actually consider it.... and I don't like drawing on the computer all that much~

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 10:44 AM
Glad to hear it ^_^b

See?, if one member who doesn't really sprite much is interested, imaging how many more could be, with the right attitude and decent publicity I reckon it could be big.

Signomi
February 15th, 2007, 10:53 AM
Indeed. Also, an idea popped to my head earlier.

I was looking at the Artravaganza thread in the Art Gallery forum and thought it would be a good idea to rather stick to one whole thread for Spriting Duels rather than constantly making threads for each duel. That way we can keep an archive that we can look back at, plus there would be more flow of discussion, no more "I don't know where the discussion thread is so I posted in the other thread" and so forth.

Presenting entries and discussing the duel statistics in the same thread. Members are even allowed to suggest categories if both contestants are unsure of what they want to do. The thread title will be modified every time a new duel starts, same thing goes for polls.

If the thread gets too big over periods of time, then we can simply close that and start another. We do have to think about PC's Database as well, we don't want to keep many threads that weigh enough to pull it down.

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 10:56 AM
I was thinking of an discussion/challenge thread and an entry thread, sorta like the contests. that way it'd be easier to look back on entries instead of going through piles of chat and whatnot.

[NovaPirate]
February 15th, 2007, 11:00 AM
But what happens if multiple people want to duel at a time? *Tries not to be pessimistic*

MegaFuz
February 15th, 2007, 11:01 AM
I'm definitely interested in getting this going. I have some concern with people staying dedicated, but at the moment it seems as if there is plenty of support. I'm also concerned that the whole thing could lead to some flaming, but as long as the rules are made clear from the get go I think we should be fine. All in all, I think it's worth taking a risk on this not working out. The Pixel Art section is in need of a breath of fresh air, and this could be it. I'm willing to help out in any way.

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 11:03 AM
But what happens if multiple people want to duel at a time? *Tries not to be pessimistic*

Then they can, I never once said they had to be one on one, they could be two on two aswell, I don;t see why more than one duel going on at a time would be a concern.

[NovaPirate]
February 15th, 2007, 11:04 AM
I can already see the people flooding back. the Sprite comic section is busy, Trainer Cards are being churned out, showcases popping up en masse. It's heaven!

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 11:09 AM
All thanks to a little discussion from an idea I ahd that i honestly never thought would take off XD

But seriously, I can't wait to see this in action!

Signomi
February 15th, 2007, 11:09 AM
I was thinking of an discussion/challenge thread and an entry thread, sorta like the contests. that way it'd be easier to look back on entries instead of going through piles of chat and whatnot.

I suppose a seperate thread for entries wouldn't be bad.

But I'll have no go on a seperate thread on challenges, so nobody even think about suggesting it! >:O

But what happens if multiple people want to duel at a time? *Tries not to be pessimistic*

Good question, perhaps an all out tournament would be much better? o.o

I'm definitely interested in getting this going. I have some concern with people staying dedicated, but at the moment it seems as if there is plenty of support. I'm also concerned that the whole thing could lead to some flaming, but as long as the rules are made clear from the get go I think we should be fine. All in all, I think it's worth taking a risk on this not working out. The Pixel Art section is in need of a breath of fresh air, and this could be it. I'm willing to help out in any way.

Well it all depends on how the idea flows when it starts, really. The Pixel Art sub-forum has been lacking a lot of activity through the months and I'm sure people have come to boredom. And of course there shall be a rule stating that members shouldn't be vulgar to others, there are other ways of talking your way out of annoyance. ;/

Glad you're willing to support us. :3

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 11:44 AM
An all out tourny would be too similar to a sprite contest. To be honest it wouldn;t be hard to run multiple duels all at once, trust me on this one.

Esupio
February 15th, 2007, 12:03 PM
Considering it was my idea I'd be 100% dedicated, I think Esupio would aswell.

I still stick with my judging idea, appointing three judges per duel.


He got that right.

Your judging idea would be good, but the thing is, if the duels did take off,you'd need an awful lot of judges

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 12:12 PM
Not as such, 9 dedicated judges would be enough in my eyes, someone picks three of them at random for each duel, simple.

Amachi
February 15th, 2007, 12:20 PM
I personally think we only need members to vote, instead of having to set a team of judges for each duel, or even a panel of regular judges. Cause like Esupio said, you would need a lot of judges.

But yeah, I don't think either Signomi or myself want a separate thread for each duel, so there's the problem with member's voting. Especially since I'd like to contain it all within one thread.

So I'd prefer member's votes to decide upon the results of each duel, with the option of recruiting your own judges if desired. But if there seems to be more support for the judges, which would definitely be easier to pull off then having everyone vote, then I don't mind either.

And just so we make it clear, the thread starter was decided with a simple coin toss XDD;

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 12:23 PM
As I said, try to avoid favoritism as much as possible, the more popular members will always win if we leave it as public voting. There's also the fact many members here seem far from capable at judging/giving decent criticism.
I never meant a thread per duel, what I meant was two threads, one for entries, the other for challenges, discussions, winner announcements etc.

Amachi
February 15th, 2007, 12:33 PM
Yeah, popularity could become an issue in that case :/

As for giving crit, as great as it is to receive, I think the member's giving a simple reason as to why they vote for the particular entry will be enough. But judges would be easier to maintain.

Yesh I understood that, which is why I mentioned that having the members vote would raise an issue with the thread (or something along those lines XP) I was always assuming that were gonna have two threads anyway :>

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 12:40 PM
Even so, many members are too lenient with their comments, saying that everything is great, we really need firm but fair judges who know hat they're talking about. I'd gladly judge, and participate on a regular basis.

dreemxweever
February 15th, 2007, 12:49 PM
i agree with Kaku all the way on that one. As I've said before in the sprite discussion thread, if we let the public vote then there will be all sorts of skill levels voting.
From newbs to people who have a bajillion posts, i would assume that the second one would be a better choice, unless of course a newb that just joined pokecommunity has extreme experience in judging and C+C. I don't know, it's kind of hard to tell which idea would be better, but personally I'm sticking with Kaku on this one.

Amachi
February 15th, 2007, 12:54 PM
Yeah, the judging idea doesn't seem bad, and if there are pllenty of people like you Kaku who are able to judge regularly, then I have no problem.

I just hope Signomi and I can organise this well, since it has been said that the last duels went downhill due to poor organisation.

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 12:54 PM
Dream: Skill levels in spriting and member status shouldn't affect judging, so long as they are capable then they can judge.

Amachi, that's a good point, although those past duels were full of elitism and bullying, which I was sadly part of. They weren't for fun either, they were there to show others up, looking back on it I;m disgusted at how I acted. This time it;s a different cup of tea, it'll be for fun, elitism will play no part in it and most of all everyone will be treated fairly. I promise.

Belzeebub
February 15th, 2007, 12:55 PM
I think it is a great idea, and I would love to be a part of it. I think, as someone mentioned, that if this is to be done, there should be different categories like scratchpokemon, fusions, revamps, devamps, free pixel art and stuff like that.

Amachi
February 15th, 2007, 12:57 PM
Yeah, neither of those don't mean anything here.

However, if one were to do an improper job at judging, then they probably won't be allowed to judge again soon after, but maybe after some time has passed.

I think categories would best be decided by the challenger, so yeah, that basically means anything goes ... cept recolors.

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 01:01 PM
Of course, it doesn't need to be restricted to Pokemon based spriting either, it could be something like "Mario and Luigi: SS styled Megaman" or something, it'll have a fair amount of freedom.

Esupio
February 15th, 2007, 01:20 PM
Even so, many members are too lenient with their comments, saying that everything is great, we really need firm but fair judges who know hat they're talking about. I'd gladly judge, and participate on a regular basis.

I'd also gladly judge, but I'll be participating.


my idea didn't have to go to a thread XD

Domin-8
February 15th, 2007, 01:22 PM
I'l glady take part in this, I will help vote and such too. But I am not as advanced as other spriters so my criticism may not be very indepth as Esupio's or Kaku's

[NovaPirate]
February 15th, 2007, 01:24 PM
I'll judge, although I'm usually viewed as an elitist. I try to be nice XD
But yes, the problem with a select few of judges is that most that are good critics are also friends with the good spriters, as they themselves are good spriters, hence them being critics in the first place, as anyone who's lasted long enough through this harsh time of emptiness must be good >.<

Not saying that bad spriter's can't be judges, but of most of the people willing to help, excluding me, well over half are good spriters, and good judges.

MegaFuz
February 15th, 2007, 01:32 PM
I plan on judging and participating, so like I said...count me in.

Fox♠
February 15th, 2007, 03:16 PM
Even if you aren't as "advanced" as I am, you can still be a good judge, if this does go through I'll PM you a test or something.

♥RanaRocket!☆
February 16th, 2007, 01:40 AM
wa-hey, cool, id help judge and such :3
*gets the politicn suits out*
>:E dude. i wanta rival. RIVAL *goes on a schadenfreude spree*
lol anyway, in all seriousness.
ithink that prahaps, the duelees (lol people dueling) should have a little right, to choose between themselves how theyre going to be judged. (publically or by selected judges, whove agreed to do it, of course) just a thougth as some people might like to be judged publicly, whilst othes will see populartity as a real issue.
i just think that giving a choice will alomost persude people to have a shot at it. like.. they have a little power about what goes on e.c.t. :s if you get my point....

Fox♠
February 16th, 2007, 04:58 AM
That way they can ask their friends to vote for them, whereas set judges are completely neutral.

♥RanaRocket!☆
February 16th, 2007, 08:57 AM
That way they can ask their friends to vote for them, whereas set judges are completely neutral.

arr, yes and no...
yes, coz i suppose they coudl do that if they were popular on the public bord. but if they opted for judges, then it would be those who agreed to it here and now.
that fix it? or do i have the wrong end of the stick? :s

Fox♠
February 16th, 2007, 01:50 PM
Judges can apply anytime they want, it won;t just be those offering here and now.

dreemxweever
February 16th, 2007, 03:14 PM
so basicly kaku, as soon as this thing gets started, anybody can sign up to be a judge? then they'll be tested by you or something?
if thats the case, i like the idea and i agree with you as i have from the begginning.

Fox♠
February 16th, 2007, 03:29 PM
Exactly my plan, people can apply to judge, all they have to do is pass a test, which wouldn't be too hard of course, it;s just to make sure they're judge material.

Amachi
February 16th, 2007, 03:48 PM
I don't think we'll need such a process for judge applications.

I think anyone can be a judge if they have been active in this area, and have shown that they can give comments and criticism effectively. That's all one needs to be a judge really.

Fox♠
February 16th, 2007, 04:14 PM
Obviously, but what about people who are rarely in this section but wish to judge?

Amachi
February 16th, 2007, 04:39 PM
Why aren't they in this section regularly?

Why should we appoint judges who have not proved themselves as reliable in this section?

If they wanna judge, first they should come in here and show that they are committed to the activity of this section, just like you and other members are. I think that's fair.

Fox♠
February 16th, 2007, 04:51 PM
They;d prove themselves via the test, although i see what you're saying Amachi, but I can;t count above 11 people who regularly give good crit here =/

Amachi
February 16th, 2007, 05:43 PM
Yeah, but if they wanna participate so much, I can't see why they can't contribute to the life of this forum.

So I personally won't support those who this that they can judge without giving something back to this forum.

Arashi
February 16th, 2007, 11:54 PM
It's a pretty nice idea. ^^ I'm definitely up for it (especially since we can submit heavily editted already existing sprites).

Just a question... will buildings and/or trees be in?

Signomi
February 16th, 2007, 11:56 PM
You mean Isometric spriting? I don't see why not. They're quite scarce and would be nice to see once in a while.

MegaFuz
February 18th, 2007, 12:20 PM
The test would certainly work, I'm just not sure it's necessary. I mean, I think that we all know who is capable and who is not here. Regardless, I'm willing to take a little test if I have to. I don't think it's a major inconvenience on potential judges. We should just compile a list of the members who've passed the test. Then when a challenge is made, either the judges could be contacted by the challenger and they could confirm their judges through PM, or when a challenge is made and accepted, the first three judges to post in the thread that they'll do it are locked in. Just a thought...

Esupio
February 24th, 2007, 12:56 PM
The test would certainly work, I'm just not sure it's necessary. I mean, I think that we all know who is capable and who is not here. Regardless, I'm willing to take a little test if I have to. I don't think it's a major inconvenience on potential judges. We should just compile a list of the members who've passed the test. Then when a challenge is made, either the judges could be contacted by the challenger and they could confirm their judges through PM, or when a challenge is made and accepted, the first three judges to post in the thread that they'll do it are locked in. Just a thought...

I agree with what MegaFuz has said here


and this needs to be decided, do we do this, or do we not do it?

MegaFuz
February 24th, 2007, 10:02 PM
I believe Amachi and Siggeh are working on ironing all this out right now. Just give them some time. Don't worry though, this idea has in no way shape or form died.

Fox♠
February 25th, 2007, 02:49 AM
They already decided the judges as far as I know :D

Signomi
March 4th, 2007, 12:14 AM
Okay, Amachi and I made the necessary preperations. Now we need you guys to start PMing for challenges. =P

Remember to PM either one of the mods if you and another member have arranged a challenge. We shall make both a discussion and entry thread when we have at least one challenge initiated.

Have fun, and choose your competition wisely. ;)

强有力
March 5th, 2007, 12:52 PM
I am totally up for the idea. What involved? Because i can do edits,recolours, heavy edits, making kinda scratch scenes and stuff like that. Would i be able to do that?

Fox♠
March 6th, 2007, 02:15 AM
Everything but recolours should be allowed.

Signomi
March 6th, 2007, 06:41 AM
Recolours would get a flat out zero from me if I were to be judging a duel. They lack any effort at all. So they won't be allowed. Feel free to do anything else of the choice, as long as you try to the best of your ability. =\

MegaFuz
March 10th, 2007, 01:09 AM
I don't understand it. Everyone expressed so much interest in this idea and pledged their support and activity, and when it comes down to it, there is none. Perhaps the two threads should be made now so people actually know challenges can be made? I think everyone considered the conversation in here over and aren't bothering to check up. =\

Fox♠
March 10th, 2007, 02:03 AM
I agree with Megafuz on this one. People are probably nervous about PMing people or something.

Esupio
March 10th, 2007, 09:38 AM
Matt, I think they probably haven't checked the thread.


I might go challenge somebody to get it started.

MegaFuz
March 10th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Go for it. We need to get the ball rolling somehow.

Esupio
March 11th, 2007, 12:46 AM
Go for it. We need to get the ball rolling somehow.

Someone challenged me first XD

Light_Azumarill
March 15th, 2007, 02:58 PM
*pokes head in*

Well, Alter Ego asked if I'd sprite duel with him so... I guess we could go anytime too. :3 *pokes Alter*

Amachi
March 17th, 2007, 03:12 PM
Well since a thread (http://www.pkmncommunity.com/showthread.php?t=81169) has been made for the duels, this is no longer needed.

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