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ss5vegeta
March 13th, 2007, 10:41 AM
I did some research about the strongest pokemon and there base stats, ill just post them here.

720:
Arceus

680:
Mewtwo
Lugia
Ho-oh
Rayquaza
Dialga
Palkia
Giradina

670:
Slaking
Groundon
Kyogre
Regigigas

600:
Dragonite
Mew
Tyranitar
Celebi
Salamence
Metacross
Latios
Latias
Jarachi
Deoxys
Heatran
Cresselia
Manaphy
Shaymin
Darkrai

580:
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Regirock
Regice
Registeel
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf

Captain Arcane
March 13th, 2007, 11:02 AM
Wow, Aruseus is has the highest stats.......funny, I thought I would see Wailord somwhere on that list? I guess not, ohwell. '_'

Smarties-chan
March 13th, 2007, 11:09 AM
This is really quite old info, and quite many websites have a list like this. However, I was surprised to see Regigigas wasn't at least in the 680-base stat category because of its horrible ability that prevents it from being useful in any way.
Wow, Aruseus is has the highest stats.......funny, I thought I would see Wailord somwhere on that list? I guess not, ohwell. '_'
Wailord? That thing's base stats are pathetic. It has high HP and attack stats, but its horrible defense stats and speed completely stop it from doing anything useful. And I certainly hope you won't start with any of the 'I beat the elite four with it' stuff like most people seem to do when you tell them a Pokémon they think is good is actually quite pathetic, because beating the elite four with it doesn't prove a thing.

ss5vegeta
March 13th, 2007, 11:14 AM
The only reason I catch Wailord is to get the Regi's.

Captain Arcane
March 13th, 2007, 11:22 AM
This is really quite old info, and quite many websites have a list like this. However, I was surprised to see Regigigas wasn't at least in the 680-base stat category because of its horrible ability that prevents it from being useful in any way.

Wailord? That thing's base stats are pathetic. It has high HP and attack stats, but its horrible defense stats and speed completely stop it from doing anything useful. And I certainly hope you won't start with any of the 'I beat the elite four with it' stuff like most people seem to do when you tell them a Pokémon they think is good is actually quite pathetic, because beating the elite four with it doesn't prove a thing.

HAhahahahahaha ^_^, I know how you feel. When kinda question why someone would say something like that, or whatever, then most of the time, the other person responds as he/she is offended by what you just posted. YEp, there are a lot of people like that on this site, well everywhere actually. =P Don't worry, I wasn't going to even reply to that, cause I didn't even know that Wailords base stats suck, I thought they where great. But I had to reply because you made me lauph with that perfectly true scenario. LoL ^_^

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
March 13th, 2007, 03:13 PM
And this is thus why they don't allow legendaries in Pokemon Towers or the Battle Frontier, well most Pokemon like Mewtwo and Rayquaza are too strong

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

Idiot!
March 13th, 2007, 07:04 PM
Funny why Slaking is allowed in the Battle Frontier, but not Kyogre/Groudon

Smarties-chan
March 14th, 2007, 05:03 AM
HAhahahahahaha ^_^, I know how you feel. When kinda question why someone would say something like that, or whatever, then most of the time, the other person responds as he/she is offended by what you just posted. YEp, there are a lot of people like that on this site, well everywhere actually. =P Don't worry, I wasn't going to even reply to that, cause I didn't even know that Wailords base stats suck, I thought they where great. But I had to reply because you made me lauph with that perfectly true scenario. LoL ^_^
Wow... someone actually admits having mistaken about something. o.o Most people don't even bother looking at the evidence before they claim being right. =P
Funny why Slaking is allowed in the Battle Frontier, but not Kyogre/Groudon
Slaking is hindered by its trait, meaning it isn't uber. What's more surprising in my opinion is that all legendary Pokémon that belong in the 600 total base stat group are banned from the Battle Frontier and Battle Tower in D/P, while the non-legendary Pokémon in the 600 total base stat group aren't. Celebi and Jirachi, for example, are easily countered by quite many OU Pokémon, and in D/P, Celebi has no reason to be banned from the Battle Tower with all new Bug moves flying around.

First they make a Pokémon extremely hard to get and then you can't use them in the hard battles in the game. That just sucks. =\

ss5vegeta
March 14th, 2007, 05:10 AM
But we have to tran Metacross, Dragonite etc. alot before they get strong, but legends are born powerful, no evelution.

C.J.
March 14th, 2007, 01:38 PM
I can't believe normal pokemon made it on the list. I especially can't believe Dragonyte is stronger than the legendary dogs and birds...

Prof.Redwood
March 14th, 2007, 06:04 PM
570:
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Regirock
Regice
Registeel
Yukishii
Emurrito
Azelf

ummm.. its suppose to be 580.. but it doesn't make much difference

ss5vegeta
March 15th, 2007, 03:00 AM
some are like 1 or 2 higher or lower on some lists.
Ho-oh is slightly weaker then the other 680 pokemon.
Hiidoran is slightly stronger then the ones on his list as well.
I will edit the list to add the english names, they have all been confirmed on serebii.net

Forever
March 15th, 2007, 04:00 AM
Aww~Pokemon like Milotic seem really stong, to me, they belong on the list~

Smarties-chan
March 15th, 2007, 05:07 AM
Aww~Pokemon like Milotic seem really stong, to me, they belong on the list~
There are alot of awesome Pokémon that aren't on that list, but the fact that their total base stats aren't as good doesn't mean they're worse than the Pokémon on those lists. It's better to have a good movepool two good stats that support each other (for example high HP and Defense) than to have decent stats in everything but a bad movepool.

It's not the total base stats that matter but the way the stats are distributed.
But we have to tran Metacross, Dragonite etc. alot before they get strong, but legends are born powerful, no evelution.
It's harder to get your hands on Celebi and Jirachi than training a Pokémon to level 55.

ss5vegeta
March 15th, 2007, 05:09 AM
Jirachi can be esily obtained by Pokemon Cahnnel, but imposible to get an legit Celebi in the UK or USA.

Alter Ego
March 15th, 2007, 05:30 AM
First off, check your spelling. It's called Metagross and Jirachi not Metacross or Jarachi. xP

Aww~Pokemon like Milotic seem really stong, to me, they belong on the list~

Congratulations, you're the second sensible poster I've seen in this thread. =D

Yes, pokémon like Milotic, Heracross, Blissey, and Alakazam should all be on the list of strongest, as is proven by their high use in competitive play. The fact that pokes like Slaking and Registeel are only seen once in a blue moon in that environment should also be a hint that there's something wrong with this classification system.

Actually, there are five things wrong with ranking pokémon power by their total base stats, these wrongs are the exclusions of typing, trait, movepool, items, and stat division respectively.

For instance, let's compare two pokémon of equal typing, comparable statlines, and same basic function: Dodrio and Pidgeot. Both are Normal/Flying, both excell at Speed an Attack. Pidgeot's base stat total (469) is higher than Dodrio's (460) yet any of the competent moveset raters here would tell you to go with Dodrio rather than Pidgeot. Why? Of course Dodrio's ability to learn Drill Peck (The best flying type move of the advance generation) is an edge in itself, but more importantly, the stat divisons of the two pokémon are different. Pidgeot's statline is pretty evenly distributed (83 HP / 80 Attack / 75 Defense /91 Speed /70 Special Attack / 70 Special Defense) whereas Dodrio's is clearly focused (60 HP / 110 Attack / 70 Defense / 100 Speed / 60 Special Attack / 60 Special Defense), and as any experienced player knows, a good pokémon isn't one that sort of does everything but one that excells at doing something (in this case, mowing down opponents with physical moves before they can hit you). Thus, while Pidgeot has a higher stat total, a lot of those stats are diverted to things it doesn't really need (Such as special attack and defenses) at the expense of what it does need (Attack and Speed), rendering it a far weaker pokémon than it could have potentially been. Similarly, Alakazam is a very formidable special sweeper because its statline is almost completely devoted to Sp.Attack and Speed, with very little diverted to things it doesn't have the moves to make use of (like regular Defense and Attack). Similarly, pokémon that may seem to have good statlines (like, say, Registeel) are actually quite worthless in battle because those stats have been spread out all over the place - often with a flimsy movepool to match - and since you can't effectively focus on everything because of the EV maximum, this leaves those pokémon with a lot of valuable stat points wasted on things they have no need for, weakening their actual perfomrance.

Moving on...another important aspect of power that must be taken into consideration is the trait. As Shorties quite correctly pointed out, Slaking and Regigigas (While posessing very strong statlines) both suffer debiliating traits that cripple their usefulness. Similarly, pokémon with seemingly inferior statlines may posess strong traits that empower them. For instance, let's take a look at Medicham. At first glance, it's hardly impressive with a measly base stat total of 410 and no base stat higher than 80 (the speed). Movepool is decent, but with both Attack stats at 60, it can't make use of it, right? WRONG. Medicham's trait, 'Pure Power', turns the whole game around. For those of you who never had the sense to take a look at it, Pure Power doubles the Attack of the pokémon that posesses it. That's right, doubles, and what's more it's not a simple doubling of the base stat (Although 120 base is certainly nothing to sneeze at), it also includes EVs and IVs which - with a level 100 Medicham - can translate to a total of 92 extra Attack points (61 from EVs and 31 from IVs), and this is in addition to what is generated by the base 60, so even without an Attack boosting nature, Medicham can reach a formidable attack of 219 x 2, which is 438. Now throw in an Adamant nature (+10% boost) and you will end up with 480. And, just for good measure, throw in a Choice Band (+50% Attack) and it will jump up to 720, one of the highest values in the game and certainly higher than that of any legendary. I guarantee you, when this thing gets loose with Hi Jump Kick (Gaining another 50% bonus to damage for using a move of its own type) you will find that it is certainly far more deserving of a place on the powerful pokémon list than Entei (Awful movepool), Regirock or Registeel. In a similar vein, the highest SAtk among the three first generations in pokémon can be obtained by, drumroll please, Clamperl.

That's right, people, Clamperl has a higher maximum SAtk than Mewtwo thanks to its very own held item, Deepseatooth, which doubles its SAtk for a whopping maximum of 542. That's 95 higher than what Mewtwo can obtain. Now of course, Clamperl is still crippled by its practically non-existent movepool, but in theory it is more powerful than Mewtwo, which is a fine example of why you shouldn't take statlines at facial value. An honorary mention should also go to Marowak, which can obtain a maximum Attack of 568 because of the and is capable of buffing it through the roof with Swords Dance if the opponent is careless enough to let it play around.

Finally, on the list of pokémon whose stats can far exceed their facial value, is Milotic. Now Milotic already posesses a very formidable base stat total of 540, but what's more, it also has a signature trait that pushes this further: Marvel Scale. A pokémon with Marvel Scale has its Defense doubled 'when suffering' or, in laymen's terms, when it's affected by a special condition. Now keep in mind, this means any status condition, meaning that a Resting Milotic can constantly smirk from behind its doubled Defense (564 maximum) while at the same time posessing a very formidable special defense to keep it well protected while the pure Water type (meaning no physical weaknesses and only two single special weaks of electricity and grass) makes it very hard to KO it during the two turns it spends sleeping, especially since throwing in Sleep Talk allows Milo to keep attacking during that period. Again, to anyone who has faced this beast it is perfectly clear that it is a far more formidable opponent than some of the ones listed here (Again, I'm singling out Entei, Registeel, and Regirock).

Finally, on the subject of movepool, I'd like to bring out one of the pokémon on this list I already mentioned earlier: Entei. Yes, the fuzzy-wuzzy mr.'If that is your wish' from the pokémon movie. At first glance, he looks tough indeed, with a statline featuring not only high Attack and Speed (115 and 100 base respectively) but also a solid 100 in base HP and decent defenses to ensure that it won't go down in one blow. The moment you take a look at the poor thing's movepool, however, you should realize just how badly gamefreak has screwed him over. The only useful physical moves (I.e. ones that a player who actually understands the game would even think of using) are Body Slam, Return, Double-Edge, and Iron Tail. Oh, and if you're playing on Netbattle you might thrown in Hidden Power. That's right, the only high-power physical moves that Entei can learn are Iron Tail and the usual set of normal ones that are practically universal. Needless to say, this is not what makes a good physical sweeper, and to drive the final nail into the coffin, Entei doesn't get STAB for his physical moves because he's pure fire and isn't even granted an Attack boosting move. Thus, one is more than less forced to live with special attacks and Entei's Lukewarm 90 base SAtk. But wait, the good designers aren't done yet. Entei only has access to three different types of special moves (excluding Hidden Power): Grass, Dark, and Fire. Of these, Grass and Dark only have one move apiece: Solarbeam and Bite respectively. Of these, Bite is too weak to ever be truly useful (Base power 60) and Solarbeam...is Solarbeam, meaning that you are basically forced to turn the poor thing into a pitiful Sunnybeamer (completely overshadowed by Exeggutor) or cling to some bizarre improvisation set composed from the rest of the movepool, unhelpfuly spread here and there, while the pure Fire type leaves you vulnerable to a triad of attack types found on basically all competitive teams: Water, Ground, and Rock. Aside from the obvious cases like Unown, Entei is a prime example of movepools gone horribly wrong and certainly not worthy of being considered one of the strongest. :\

Aaaand...I think I'll conclude my rant there for the moment. Overall, I think this kind of listing is silly and - as Shorties pointed out - redundant. There are plenty of lists like this, comprehensive ones where the names have even been spelled right.

Smarties-chan
March 15th, 2007, 06:50 AM
Jirachi can be esily obtained by Pokemon Cahnnel, but imposible to get an legit Celebi in the UK or USA.
And have you thought that some people might not even have Pokémon Channel, let alone a Gamecube? And anyone not living in Japan, North America or the UK doesn't have the possibility to go to Nintendo Events, (if you don't travel to another country just to go to a Nintendo Event, in which case you need a life.) and thus, can't get Celebi or Mew without a cheating device. Besides, you can't breed or soft reset to get an event Pokémon, meaning that if you end up with a Celebi with crappy IVs and nature, you can't do anything about it. But for any other Pokémon, you can just breed/soft reset untill you get the desired nature and/or IVs.

The only reason for why Celebi, Jirachi, and even Mew, despite being uber, are banned from the Battle Frontier is that Gamefreak wants to be a pain in the backside and not let you use them because they obviously think Mew, Celebi and Jirachi are just some kinds of trophies you collect. ._.

ss5vegeta
March 15th, 2007, 12:14 PM
You might as well say they can't afford a Gameboy version.

Smarties-chan
March 16th, 2007, 04:40 AM
You might as well say they can't afford a Gameboy version.
If you're refering to the part of my post where I said not everyone has a Gamecube or Pokémon Channel, then it's a completely different thing. Not everyone wants to waste money on a crappy game that might keep you entertained for an hour or two, neither does everyone want to buy the Gamecube itself for one reason or another.

Aegis
March 16th, 2007, 05:32 AM
Are you talking about the Attack stat? Or are you just going with the highest stat period? If so, try here (http://www.arkeis.com/basestats.htm). They have the highest of all the stats, so that should answer your question, I hope.

ss5vegeta
March 16th, 2007, 07:56 AM
Are you talking about the Attack stat? Or are you just going with the highest stat period? If so, try here (http://www.arkeis.com/basestats.htm). They have the highest of all the stats, so that should answer your question, I hope.

Theres no queston to answer, its highest base stats.

There is also a 525 base stat section which includes.

The Eevelutions, the grass starters final forms and Lucario.

There is probably more.

Lt. Surge's Raichu
April 4th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Mewtwo is ofcourse high-ranked, i thought it was the strongest but i was wrong

ltr_17
April 5th, 2007, 09:10 PM
WOBBUFFET, MAN! i have one at lvl 100 and his HP is 564. beat that! his moves are sick, too!