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Tr@ce
March 29th, 2007, 05:44 AM
Does anybody think that pokemon, the show, is getting a little too repetative? I mean, in the newer episodes they're basicly the same thing:
1. Ash and friends are walking
2. They have a dilema
3. They must solve the dilema
4. Team Rocket Gets in the way
5. They defeat TR
6. Finally solve dilema
7. The End

I LOVE the first couple seasons of the show, but I don't like the newer ones at all. Perhaps it's because of the newer voice-overs, or maybe its just the same boring old thing. What do you think?

gilbertman
March 29th, 2007, 01:01 PM
Getting repetitive? Its been repetitive, for like ever, but hey i don't really mind, im easily amused :P but personally i like the newer ones better, i like the animation better, and I do like the new VAs better as well, personally I see little difference between the old and the new, its just with the old, things were.....new and hadn't been done before so in other words yes its repetitive but do i can? not really

Gary, the Magic Fairy
March 29th, 2007, 01:31 PM
You forgot the part after the end when people complain about how repetative it is. :D

It is really repetative, since Johto. The orange islands wasn't quite as bad about repetition.

I just stopped caring once Hoenn started. If you've seen one episode, you've pretty much seen them all.

Aegis
March 29th, 2007, 03:06 PM
Yeah, I have noticed that. It doesn't bother me though, always new places, new people, new pokemon. Yep... I'm fine with it.

Charaxes
March 30th, 2007, 01:41 PM
The Orange Islands were about freshness. I think they do what they can considering Nintendo's main plotting is just Gym Badges mostly. But yeah, Johto overkilled the filler and Battle Frontier kinda returned that quality (it's a negative connection, but a connection).

I've learned to let go and lower my expectations. That's the only way the series won't drive you insane.

Lt. Surge's Raichu
April 4th, 2007, 06:55 AM
I would say no actually :)
I like every single episode and don't think they are repetative

She-Elf
April 4th, 2007, 07:07 AM
No, I enjoy every episode :)

Lucario-Kurt
April 4th, 2007, 02:46 PM
Every episode is not repetative in my own opinion, cause every episode has a story behind it, not same things happening in every episode, not actrully true...

Animehero
April 4th, 2007, 04:08 PM
YEEESSS!!!!! It so damn cliche!!

Charaxes
April 7th, 2007, 09:20 AM
I don't want this to die, but I do agree with Lucario: every episode does have a story. Unfortunately, part of the anime series' shtick is the recycling and sometimes, it can be for the better (I'm thinking of examples, but my mind is tapped at the moment). The question then becomes "which backdrops make the story better as it often is the case?"

Like the Mirage Pokemon Special and how it copied from the first movie with the "real vs. digital Pokemon" and it pulled off things kinda nicely.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
April 14th, 2007, 04:10 AM
Yea it has been repeatative. But I do wish to See Jeese when atleast a Pokemon Contest or 2. It will make the show a little more interesting. Jeese is doing something right by battling ina Pokemon Contest.

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

Lihinel
April 14th, 2007, 06:13 AM
It is repetative, and the characters don't realy change much.
But its not too bad, this way the show won't die anytime in the future, cause all they need for another 100-200 episodes is a new region + pokémon.

Jet i would like to see more specials and maybe short spinoff series with minor charakters.

But not like this "mastermind of mirage pkmn" special that is mentioned some posts before, because it was just a bad try to recycle parts of the first movie plot.

aaronburnsyou
April 17th, 2007, 04:49 PM
The show is too repetitive, and not just in general, like stated in the beginning of the thread. Some of the literal plots actually seem to repeat themselves as well, just w/ different characters.

bgt
April 17th, 2007, 05:04 PM
A lot of the character designs are reused, including the Magikarp Salesman, which has probably been used the most.

Star★Seeker
April 17th, 2007, 05:05 PM
It is reppetitive.How many times do we have to see Ash help a trainer and his/her pokemon, he should get a medal for 'Most helpful Trainer' or maybe he should become a Pokemon Ranger or help Pokemon in Mysterious Dungeon.

Drew
April 17th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Yeah, alot of them can seem repeatitive, but that doesn't stop me from watching them. x3

However this is one reason I loved the Contest episodes so much, because they really weren't the same thing all the time, and it gave a chance for someone besides Ash to have the spotlight for awhile. Sure Ash is my favorite character, but still... I like all of the characters, so I like it when someone other then just him gets a decent amount of screen time.

yakusoku
April 27th, 2007, 01:36 PM
Sort of.. but at least they can still think up ideas. I just think TR is annoying.

Typhoon
May 8th, 2007, 03:32 PM
The first seasons were SO much better than the more recent ones. Remember the Goodbye Butterfree episode? And the multi-part S.S. Anne episode? Those are what I call stories. They evoked an emotion (goodbye butterfree) or showed another side to someone (Team Rocket can be good sometimes). Now, the episodes are nothing but battles. I don't hate battles, I just hate the fact that every episode is about battles. It could be a bit more realistic. Why don't Ash and Brock ever think about Misty, or home, or people or pokemon they met in the past?

Please, bring back the plot!

I actually like Pokemon Chronicles, since it focused more on stories in the pokemon world, rather than Ash. I hate to say it, but I first thought that Dawn would be a new character with a whole new pokemon storyline, but was disappointed to find out she was just a new sidekick to add to Ash's storyline.

Miss Reyna
May 9th, 2007, 07:15 PM
Well yes the anime gets repetative but that is to be expected after 500 or so episodes!!!! Just a few weeks ago Pokemon hit it's 500 episode so yes it does.

Still it is like Dark Charaxes said. You kinda get use to it and just I don't want to say lower your standards but treat each episode as if you are seeing it for the first time. You need to see them as something new and just wonder how they will redo some of the old things. I mean not all episodes are the same too and those are the good ones that should keep you tuning in.

Good recent examples are Off the Unbeaten Path where the groud splits up to do an orienteering contest and even Team Rocket gets to compete and James even won which is something super different. Another good one which happens to involve Team Rocket is The Ole' Berate and Switch where Jessie and James split up and trade with Cassidy and Butch. It doesn't involve Ash and Friends that much but it is a good episode overall. Then one that I thought was different from the others was Time Wrap Heal All Wounds since it was just out there and different.

Then a few good episodes that follow the formula is a personal fave Is That a Ralts I Hear? which follows the forumla but it is really good because it is super emonitonal and it has some coolie music. Personal fave of all for me. There was also Sweet Baby James too which is kinda different too.

Then there are the many contest episodes that are rarely bad and a few good gym ones that could be seen during Battle Frounter.

I do agree lots that the show is repetitive but every so often they do make a great episode which is something to look forward too. That is way I keep watching because I love to keep up with the story line and also because I know there are some super coolie episodes too. Also the characters I just love!!! I so fell in love with Donphan!!!!

Typhoon
May 9th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Has Gary Oak appeared in any episodes since Ash left Kanto? I mean appear in person, not in a memory. Just wondering.

Otter Mii-kun
May 10th, 2007, 02:25 PM
Has Gary Oak appeared in any episodes since Ash left Kanto? I mean appear in person, not in a memory. Just wondering.I thought I did see Gary at least once at the end of Johto (sometime before Misty left)
As for repetitiveness, that's why I quit watching the show.

Miss Reyna
May 10th, 2007, 07:23 PM
He appeared in person in the last episode of Battle Frountier before Ash left for Sinnoh!!! I still have the episode I think on recording. Teeheehee

Skitty101
May 12th, 2007, 07:19 PM
If you're talking about stuff like Team Rocket appearing in almost every entire episode trying to steal Pikachu then yes.

RYOUKI
May 13th, 2007, 03:50 AM
yes its repetative but not too much, i think the most repetative is TR stealing pikachu and failing XD

zethias
May 13th, 2007, 06:06 PM
It's a little repetitive, but Pokemon Chronicles gave it a slight break at least.

Houndour2005
May 14th, 2007, 01:47 AM
Yes, but I don't care if it's too repetive!

CowFreak5
May 14th, 2007, 04:35 PM
I voted no, but only because so far they've managed so far to at least make the shows somewhat different. They would be better if the shows had more problems than just Team Rocket trying to steal Pikachu again. And again. And again...

And like Typhoon said, the older ones had more of a plot. Bye Bye Butterfree is one of my favorites, and I also really liked all of the multi-part episodes. In Hoenn, they did a couple of good episodes, like when Team Rocket fought the Pokemon poacher and his Tyrannitar.

And Gary Oak was in Johto for a few episodes, and I think he was there when Ash went back to Pallet Town after Battle Frontier.

Amanda
May 14th, 2007, 07:12 PM
Yeah it is but that's why I still like it. It was so obviously repetitive it was enjoyable.

SBaby
May 17th, 2007, 10:16 AM
Yes. The show's way too repetitive. When you've got a running gag of a trio of villains that look like they belong in an old 80s Power Team episode, constantly showing up to steal Pokemon for relatively the same reason each time, it's repetitive enough.

But to top it all off, Pokemon takes repetitive one step further. Rather than invent a fresh new plotline in each Region (which ANYONE could do), they basically recycle the old plot and just change the scenery and Pokemon around. Seriously, those of you that think Pokemon isn't repetitive, take another look at the show. New Regions always follow these general ten steps (in no particular order):


1: Ash arrives at new Region.

2: JJM follow him.

3: Ash has to beat 8 Gym Leaders to get their Badges.

4: Miscellaneous Team X spends half the Region concocting some super plan, only to have it foiled in less than an hour.

5: JJM invent a new speech that is worse than their last one (as of Kanto Redux).

6: Ash deals with the following people no less than 10 times: Nurse Joy, Officer Jenny, and the Professor.

7: Ash meets Legendary Pokemon that seem important, but really aren't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

8: Every small-time local sporting event is mandatory to take part in.

9: Ash Enters and loses the League.

10: Ho-Oh, or some other nameless Legendary Pokemon leads Ash to the next Region. If no Legendary Pokemon appears, then what's ahead of us is a season of..... FILLERS!!!


Based on these ten steps, as well as the legendary Dexter's list of Pokemon Cliches, I can easily predict what'll likely happen in the Sinnoh Ragion, even BEFORE it happens. SPOILER ALERT! Well, who WOULDN'T see these coming? Honestly...

- Ash Arrives (happened).

- Paul's the new Rival (happened).

- Dawn's the new female Coordinator (happened).

- Paul's a prick (happened and still happening).

- Dawn will win ALL 5 ribbons (happening).

- Ash will win ALL 8 Badges (happening).

- JJM will show up at least once in just about every episode (happening).

- Some evil Team (Galaxy) will hatch a scheme that draws attention, only to have Ash and the gang stop their life-long master plan in a few episodes.

- At some point, Paul will lose to a Legendary, or Uber Pokemon. Afterward, he'll mellow and become best friends with Ash.

- Dawn will enter the Grand Festival of Bad Announcers.

- Dawn will lose, or win, still a pretty new concept, so maybe... Who am I kidding? She'll lose.

- Ash will enter the League of Worse Announcers.

- Ash will lose the League.

- Some Legendary Pokemon will lead Ash to the next Region. OR, there'll be some fillers, THEN the Legendary Pokemon will show up.

- Rinse, and repeat (omitting the Rival stuff if there's no Rival).


And one final note, based on the show's track record, if Ash ever DOES win a League, he'll probably be replaced in the next season with another male lead. So fans of Ash, you'd better pray that he keeps losing.

And don't take this to mean I hate the Anime, because I still like it. Otherwise, I wouldn't be writing Fics, would I?

DragronWarroir2000x
May 17th, 2007, 11:21 AM
Does anybody think that pokemon, the show, is getting a little too repetative? I mean, in the newer episodes they're basicly the same thing:
1. Ash and friends are walking
2. They have a dilema
3. They must solve the dilema
4. Team Rocket Gets in the way
5. They defeat TR
6. Finally solve dilema
7. The End

I LOVE the first couple seasons of the show, but I don't like the newer ones at all. Perhaps it's because of the newer voice-overs, or maybe its just the same boring old thing. What do you think?

That just means you're growing up and your seeing how the show is. Back when you first watched it, you had never seen anything like it before so of course it seemed like an amazing, original program. Now that you've seen the same show for years, they can't come up with anything new, and you pick it up. Good job.

And if by 'show' you actually mean show, game, and overall franchise, then yes. Pokemon was repetive about 2 years ago.

Tr@ce
June 28th, 2007, 06:48 PM
what do you mean not that much! This show is soooo repetative. The first episodes were great. The orange islands were awesome too. Then after that, it started to get bad. I completely agree with SBaby. He's sooo right it's not even funny. They could drastically change the show, or at least even a little bit, but they don't. Why can't Team Rocket ever win? They should have like a 4-part episode where TR actually gets pikachu for a few days! And an episode where Brock actually GETs somewhere with nurse joy (or at least he thinks he is...), only to find out she's married! Drastic changes like that are guaranteed to make the show better. As for now, I'm not watching.

Waffle-San
June 29th, 2007, 01:04 PM
In a way yes they're vey repetitive, but I try not to look at it that way, whena new character is intriduced, you might have seen it coming but you still don't nessecarily know anything about that character, so it's fun to watch their individual story work out.
one thing i find is that when i was younger, i hated the side episodes all i ever wanted was to see Ash challenge a gym leader because they were always the most interesting battles with the most strategies. Now i just enjoy the whole story, and the side episodes that focus on different characters, like the one where May, Meowth and squirtle travel back in time and stop old what's his face from leaving for the big city.
I'll admit though i like the movies better because in a way the movies are just three or four-part episodes, just a little more serious and TR doesn't rephrase their ever slightly changing modo.

Jorah
June 29th, 2007, 02:15 PM
Yeah, but the games are repetitive too. Your a new trainer in blah blah region going to collect 8 badges, defeat a random team and then defeat the elite four. Sound familar? That's only been the format for, what, about 12 games.

But I still find the anime and games really interesing and fun. D/P is fast becoming one of my favourite series of Pokemon and I don't actually have the D/P game yet but I think it'll become my favourite games.

diamondpearl876
June 29th, 2007, 03:49 PM
They've done some different things lately. Not in the shows, but in the games.

There is Ranger which gives a whole new view on catching Pokemon and Mystery Dungeon. x.x

Tr@ce
July 2nd, 2007, 10:32 AM
They've done some different things lately. Not in the shows, but in the games.

There is Ranger which gives a whole new view on catching Pokemon and Mystery Dungeon. x.x

The games give enough variation from previous games, so I still like them.

Hydross
July 2nd, 2007, 12:14 PM
It's repetative yes, but I don't care so much about the storyline tbh, it's the battles that I think are fun to watch, and the battles are so much better now (season10) since the graphics and battle(styles) have improved by a ton.

Just compare Charizards flamethrower from seaon 1 with Tuckers Arcanine from season 9, then u do realise that the graphics are so much better now. And thats why I enjoy the new episodes, much better graphics which leads to much better battles, and much better episodes :)

SBaby
July 3rd, 2007, 12:02 AM
Oh, don't get me wrong. The games are repetitive too. It's just that they're not quite as bad as the show is in that respect.

Ariolander
July 3rd, 2007, 01:56 AM
It wouldn't be so bad if Ash stopped being pathetic and turning his Pokemon into PokeBurgers (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pokeburgervr7.jpg) each season!


I mean God I am tired of Ash being pathetic. Does he hit his head and get amnesia between each season? If your gonna wipe hsi mind, take is Pokes, and turn him into an utter and pathetic n00b eachseason then you should have used a whole new character.

I wanna see a grown up Pokemaster ash hunting legendaries in all kinds of advanced battles and some major butt kicking not that stuff like that pathetic "battle" (if you can call it that) with Paul.

Tr@ce
July 5th, 2007, 12:41 PM
Ash is pretty pathetic. The Audiences want a STRONG hero, not some wimpy little twerp.

diamondpearl876
July 5th, 2007, 01:05 PM
Ash is pretty pathetic. The Audiences want a STRONG hero, not some wimpy little twerp.

haha, you sounded like team rocket. xD

Kyber-Groudon
July 5th, 2007, 02:13 PM
It's gotten to the point where I don't watch anymore. For one, dawn is well.... ummm... *cough*newagemay*cough* and the episodes are all pretty much the same...

Apathetic_Yen
July 5th, 2007, 05:50 PM
wow, Pokeburgers, I'm still laughing.

Seriously Ash, thrugh all that he's been through, still sucks considering he lost to the first gym in Sinnoh. What a lozer.

Shinji_
July 6th, 2007, 12:37 PM
HAHAHA...It's funny I should of seen this thread, I just posted on a thread about what fire pokemon ash will get and how and I mentioned something about charmander and how the same thing is gonnna happen becuase the show is to repetitive hahaha*Laughs some more*

floreyn
July 6th, 2007, 09:36 PM
Yep. Basically. But hey, I still watch it. I only watch the Sinnoh episodes though..I skipped everything after Season 3 ish of the first series.

Nekonron
July 7th, 2007, 04:41 AM
Yes, its very repetitive, but Pokemon is one show I don't mind for recycled plots for some reason lol


- At some point, Paul will lose to a Legendary, or Uber Pokemon. Afterward, he'll mellow and become best friends with Ash.


I rather Paul get fried by Charizard DX


- Dawn will lose, or win, still a pretty new concept, so maybe... Who am I kidding? She'll lose.

How true... Not even Zoey/Nozomi would win (just like Richie)


- Ash will lose the League.

And one final note, based on the show's track record, if Ash ever DOES win a League, he'll probably be replaced in the next season with another male lead. So fans of Ash, you'd better pray that he keeps losing.


Very likely so, but don't forget he did win Orange League and Battle Frontier


- Some Legendary Pokemon will lead Ash to the next Region. OR, there'll be some fillers, THEN the Legendary Pokemon will show up.

At least we'll know what to expect lol!

Yep. Basically. But hey, I still watch it. I only watch the Sinnoh episodes though..I skipped everything after Season 3 ish of the first series.

I skipped mid-Johto all the way until Pearl & Diamond, but it's already proven to be repetitive enough. Although I skipped them for different reasons and not because it was getting repetitive.

shwoop-de-wooper
July 10th, 2007, 11:39 PM
The Orange Islands were about freshness. I think they do what they can considering Nintendo's main plotting is just Gym Badges mostly. But yeah, Johto overkilled the filler and Battle Frontier kinda returned that quality (it's a negative connection, but a connection).

I've learned to let go and lower my expectations. That's the only way the series won't drive you insane.

strange how many people hated the Johto series in the anime but many find it to be the best region in the games.

Tbh I haven't seen any of Hoenn except the first episode so I can't really comment on those episodes but the new ones are pretty good so far.

Kitty!
July 11th, 2007, 06:34 AM
I stopped watching the show during Johto, and came back to watch in during Mid-AG, and that became to be my favorite saga ever.

And yeah, the show is repetitive, but who cares. I still enjoy it.

Punishment
July 11th, 2007, 06:55 AM
First season is still my favorite. They show still had humor. Honestly the show now since about the Johto generation hasnt. Thye got more serious and mature I get. Factor that in with a repeative plot and you have a really boring show.

Thus I always preferred Digimon when I was younger.

Tr@ce
July 11th, 2007, 07:10 PM
haha, you sounded like team rocket. xD

haha, I did, didn't I? I like team rocket better anyway. I wish for once they would WIN!