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Ryoutarou
April 16th, 2007, 10:28 AM
Already being called the worst school shooting in US history. The article is just a little bit behind, but so far I've heard there are 28 people dead.

(CNN) -- The Virginia Tech police chief said at least 20 people were killed in twin shootings on the Blacksburg campus Monday morning.

"Some victims were shot in a classroom," Chief Wendell Flinchum said, adding that the gunman was dead.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said university President Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified." (Map of Blacksburg)

The attacks mark the worst school shooting incident since 1999 when Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.

A hospital spokeswoman told The Associated Press that 17 Virginia Tech students were being treated for gunshot wounds and other injuries.

Sharon Honaker at the Carilion New River Valley Medical Center told CNN that four patients had been transported there, one in critical condition.

One person was killed and others were wounded at multiple locations inside a dormitory about 7:15 a.m., Flinchum said. Two hours later, another shooting at Norris Hall, the engineering science and mechanics building, resulted in multiple casualties, the university reported. (Watch police, ambulances hustle to the scene )

The first reported shooting occurred at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a co-ed dormitory that houses 895 students. The dormitory, one of the largest residence halls on the 2,600-acre campus, is located near the drill field and stadium.

Amie Steele, editor-in-chief of the campus newspaper, said one of her reporters at the dormitory reported "mass chaos."

The reporter said there were "lots of students running around, going crazy, and the police officers were trying to settle everyone down and keep everything under control," according to Steele.

Kristyn Heiser said she was in class about 9:30 a.m. when she and her classmates saw about six gun-wielding police officers run by a window.

"We were like, 'What's going on?' Because this definitely is a quaint town where stuff doesn't really happen. It's pretty boring here," said Heiser during a phone interview as she sat on her classroom floor.

Student Matt Waldron said he did not hear the gunshots because he was listening to music, but he heard police sirens and saw officers hiding behind trees with their guns drawn.

"They told us to get out of there so we ran across the drill field as quick as we could," he said.

Waldron described the scene on campus as "mayhem." (Watch a student's recording of police responding to loud bangs )

"It was kind of scary," he said. "These two kids I guess had panicked and jumped out of the top story window and the one kid broke his ankle and the other girl was not in good shape just lying on the ground."

Madison Van Duyne said she and her classmates in a media writing class were on "lockdown" in their classrooms. They were huddled in the middle of the classroom, writing stories about the shootings and posting them online.

The university is updating its 26,000 students through e-mails, and an Internet webcam is broadcasting live pictures of the campus.

The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported.

After the Monday shootings, students were instructed to stay indoors and away from windows, police at the university said.

"A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows," read a warning from the university.

"Virginia Tech has canceled all classes. Those on campus are asked to remain where they are, lock their doors and stay away from windows. Persons off campus are asked not to come to campus," a statement on the university Web site said.

Erimgard
April 16th, 2007, 10:49 AM
yeah I heard about this :(
terrible news.
last count I heard was 22 dead (including the gunman) and 29 injured.
who would shoot 50 people in their school? insane...

ASG
April 16th, 2007, 12:55 PM
31 dead 20+ injured. I heard it on the radio after track today. 1 killed in a dorm everyone else was shot on the other side of campus.

mrplanters
April 16th, 2007, 12:59 PM
Wow this is just sad. What is this world coming to?

Loki
April 16th, 2007, 01:49 PM
I think it's 38 dead now. This is just terrible, a witness described the shooter's face when he came in and shot his teacher as "Serious and Stoic". The fact that he could keep a straight face while shooting down other people is just.... undescribable. >.<

Krafty Quill
April 16th, 2007, 01:54 PM
This is simply disgusting. I can't stand it. Horrible. Ugh. I hope they drop a huge brick on his b@lls for this one.

MegaDitto
April 16th, 2007, 02:00 PM
I heard that they continued some classes after the shotting.

Tensaiji
April 16th, 2007, 02:04 PM
What makes me wonder is: why would he want to find his girlfriend and all of a sudden start killing innocent lives for no reason?

Charizard_Ruler
April 16th, 2007, 02:19 PM
This is pretty bad, no one has the right to do this.

Weatherman, Kiyoshi
April 16th, 2007, 02:27 PM
you got to think: why?

Was he a psyco moron and got an F than a passing B on his most impotant math quiz?

His parents are Terrible?

JUST BECAUSE HE WAS ASAIN?



you got to think...

Ayano Katagiri
April 16th, 2007, 11:20 PM
I saw this on the news just before... it's just shocking.

pokejungle
April 17th, 2007, 03:02 AM
There are 33 confirmed now FYI.

Really makes me want to go back to America. I have a lot of thoughts on the subject, but honestly, I can't keep it G. So please don't think I care. Just know that I am sickened by this beyond words.

Weatherman, Kiyoshi
April 17th, 2007, 05:16 AM
you know what makes me mad most of all?
that all the people who were killed, spent thier nice, heathy, lives, make so many friends, and almost ready for the real world, Die because a psyco got mad and had two guns in his possetion. and the thing that makes me mad most of all, is that he just wanted to take as much inoccent people with him when he commited suicide. that's sick. and he was a student, too. violence, now to everyone, is a terrible, sick, thing.

Lt. Surge's Raichu
April 17th, 2007, 05:55 AM
That is just horrible, i haven't heard about it till' now :(
It's so sad, i dunno understand people who do such terrible things...

Fox♠
April 17th, 2007, 06:08 AM
Makes you feel pretty insecure knowing that people like that roam the streets.

It's a terrible thing, and these mass shootings/attacks in schools have happened too often in the past 3 years. In Russia, Amish community and now Main stream America.

Weatherman, Kiyoshi
April 17th, 2007, 07:11 AM
confirmed:

Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old senior from South Korea, as Virginia Tech gunman.

^
he made bomb threats to test the school's secrity.
it was said that he planned this for 1 week.
and... They think the reason was grades or girlfriend thing.
wow >_< what a reason to kill over 30 people, the selfish phsyco.

If I were his father, I wouldn't feel sad over his loss after what he did before he killed himself.

Kenny_C.002
April 17th, 2007, 07:26 AM
Wow this is just sad. What is this world coming to?

Just your normal day-to-day lives. Crazy people roam wild every day, you just don't notice them.

What makes me wonder is: why would he want to find his girlfriend and all of a sudden start killing innocent lives for no reason?

He needs no reason. He has no reason.

Makes you feel pretty insecure knowing that people like that roam the streets.

It's a terrible thing, and these mass shootings/attacks in schools have happened too often in the past 3 years. In Russia, Amish community and now Main stream America.

Makes you wonder about the availability of guns and how that is related to these incidents. Take the guns away, there would be no problems like this, because the crazy people would not have as an easy time getting them.

Suki
April 17th, 2007, 08:51 AM
I saw this on the news yesterday and I was shocked. This morning in school, we actually watched the news on it. This is crazy and Bush is still forced to carry on with the idea of buying guns freely cuz of the Government and all that crap.

But anyway this is really sad... I mean it's just horrible and he did it because of heartbreak? I mean get over it >O It's so wrong. Well he can't now because he's dead.

Heeaye
April 17th, 2007, 12:30 PM
Yes, this is terrible. It really isn't the schools fault, though. I think the only person you can really put the blame on is the shooter. It isn't gun control's fault, it isn't the schools fault, it isn't the president's fault (all 3 I've seen put blame on). It really is solely the shooters fault. Something like this is terrible, but this particular situation was really unavoidable. Those who died happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's truly incredibly sad, because they died purely because of bad luck. They did nothing wrong at all. It was one of those instances where the kids who were shot bullied the shooter, or anything. R.I.P. to those who were shot, and I wish the best of the luck to those who were injured, and to the school itself.

Chikara
April 17th, 2007, 03:54 PM
In a way, I feel bad for the guy. He was depressed and apperantly thought about suicide alot. But that definetly dosnt make what he did right...

TRIFORCE89
April 17th, 2007, 04:06 PM
He was known to be a stalker. His English professors said that they found his work to be troubling and disturbing. He was recommended to seek help...

That seems like enough warning signs to me. Why was he still there? Boot him out. Why keep someone around innocent people who has the potential to snap?

After the first two victims why did they not evacuate the premises? Classes kept going while there was an armed gunman on the loose.

I feel terrible for the victims and their friends and family, but the school can't possibly say that they didn't see this coming or that they're surprised. They knew he was an issue. They also didn't tell anyone to leave after the first round of shootings. The victims did not deserve their fate, and the school could've prevented it.

It is a terrible loss. Especially since these were young minds who wanted to learn.

I think we do need to be aware of what happened but I don't think the media needs to show the gunman's face or state his name. Let's deprive him of what he wanted, notoriety. He was suicidal. They usually feel lonely. This was most likely a cry for attention. And, yet despite what he has done, he gets his 15 minutes of fame. I wish the media hadn't revealed his name and likeness, I wish his efforts had been in vain.

Absolitude
April 17th, 2007, 04:08 PM
I think this is horrible. I just got additional details from associates earlier but now it seems there is even more that i don't know. Even if he was depressed he shouldn't have killed others. He should have sought mental help. But what can you do about such tragedies? It's just so random.

GeorgeWBushSupporter
April 17th, 2007, 04:26 PM
I heard that they continued some classes after the shotting.

After the first shooting, the school did not alert the other teachers about the situation (and in the e-mail, it did not say to stop class) until around the time the second shooting happened. One of the reasons this happened is because of incompetence. It is truly a shame this happened, and my condolences go out to the families.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
April 17th, 2007, 04:29 PM
This is messed up, first it was Calobine (sorry if I spelled it wrong) now this, SO this is what my friend was talking about

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

Loki
April 17th, 2007, 04:32 PM
If I were his father, I wouldn't feel sad over his loss after what he did before he killed himself.

You have no right to say that. >.< I understand that you're angry, but even if he killed 30+ other people, his family suffered a lot as well, because you couldn't personally possibly know what it feels like to have your child commit suicide, take 33 people with him, and also get his face and name blazed across the media all over the US.

His family has not only lost their son, but now, most likely, wherever they go in America, they'll be discriminated, and perhaps not even given the slightest bit of sympathy in that they've lost their son.

You shouldn't be so insensitive, it's offending to the point where I, personally, am offended by what you said.

This is a terrible thing, please don't speak so easily about it.

I'm sorry if what I'm saying sounds like I support what the gunman did, because I don't. But I can't stand and see his family get attacked at the same time, because they are currently, and most likely for the rest of the case, wholly innocent in this event.

Persona
April 17th, 2007, 04:35 PM
From being informed by the news, the president of the school made a point: the first shooting was at 7:15. Classes don't start until 8 a.m. There were an estimated 14,000 people in transit, so there were no classes that could be locked down at 7:15 or thereabouts. The thinking was to let them get to their classes and then lock them down. The alternative is the 14,000 students arrive to find a bunch of locked classrooms and buildings, and they're all milling around with the shooter on the loose.

I really detest all this instant second-guessing. To me, the shooting of two people in the dorm just does not immediately suggest a mass spree was about to be taken place. I don't see how there was any way to know that or to act otherwise. How many shootings take place every day that are not followed by sprees? I'm thinking just about all of them. There was just no way to predict that two people shot at one location would lead to 58 more killed or wounded a half mile away at another location.

Personally, this should be a surprise to no one. We expect deaths and casualties in war zones. However, that doesn't make the death less dreadful for those involved, but it does make it less newsworthy as an individual incident. We do not expect mass homicide in a college campus. Therefore, if it happens, it is a significant event, exactly being because there was no mental preparation or expectation of the case.

Sota
April 17th, 2007, 05:07 PM
Yea been everywere......
It's on the tube now !
But he was...

On Depressions
Had Problems(He wrote creapy stories)
Was just........Crazy!

He had a few thinggs written pn his arm about the Muslim Abraham so it might have been religious tohugh he was looking for his Girlfriend!I would like to solute the 77 year old teacher eho was killed while teaching a class when he jumped in the doorway and took the shots while all his students survived ;_;

HollyWood~JD

22sa
April 17th, 2007, 05:35 PM
Interesting. I would've helped this guy if I knew him. Help him kill more then just 30 or 40 people, or help him kill himself instead before killing others, or help him plot his revenge some other way, or just recover.... hmm, all interesting.

In any case, I don't really care. There are tons of murders (what, 12k?) in the States every year. This is just a small portion. I don't really feel especially, despite being a university student myself.

GeorgeWBushSupporter
April 17th, 2007, 05:47 PM
Interesting. I would've helped this guy if I knew him. Help him kill more then just 30 or 40 people, or help him kill himself instead before killing others, or help him plot his revenge some other way, or just recover.... hmm, all interesting.

I was reading about the guy himself, and what classmates and his professors thought about him. They said he was the stereotypical murderer. He was quiet, didn't want to talk to people, and was anti-social. When he wrote extremely violent stories, a student said it was so violent that they never heard of some of the weapons being used, he submitted it on time but people were afraid to critique it. Why? They were literally afraid he was going to snap and go on a mass-murderer. Even the professor didn't say much. Did people want to help him? Yes. They said students sometimes tried to get him out of his "shell" but he refused. He was even offered food by some students, and he denied and never spoke to them.

Lucy Lu
April 17th, 2007, 05:48 PM
Omg, this is so terrible. This happened the same time that one high school had a school shooting(I know the name of the school, but can't spell it). I watched Fox News yesterday til just now about it. I even seen it in the news online. This is just shocking...I know he was depressed, but still there is no reason to go into a mad rampage like that.

I mourn for all the victims and the victims families. We can't be safe anymore. First it was a high school, now it is a college. What is next?

The government and the President has got to do something about the gun laws.

GeorgeWBushSupporter
April 17th, 2007, 05:54 PM
The government and the President has got to do something about the gun laws.

I read what he did was breaking the law by getting the gun, and he got it in the black market, so by having gun control (which I don't agree with), it wouldn't of stopped this from happening.

22sa
April 17th, 2007, 06:07 PM
I was reading about the guy himself, and what classmates and his professors thought about him. They said he was the stereotypical murderer. He was quiet, didn't want to talk to people, and was anti-social. When he wrote extremely violent stories, a student said it was so violent that they never heard of some of the weapons being used, he submitted it on time but people were afraid to critique it. Why? They were literally afraid he was going to snap and go on a mass-murderer. Even the professor didn't say much. Did people want to help him? Yes. They said students sometimes tried to get him out of his "shell" but he refused. He was even offered food by some students, and he denied and never spoke to them.
Hah, that's valuable information. Even if people wanted to get close to him, they probably found it too difficult. How... unhappy =O ;___________;.... ;_________; .... I honestly wish I had the strength to deal with such a person.

Ryoutarou
April 17th, 2007, 06:15 PM
His roommates are in an interview right and giving some pretty interesting information. They both tried to get him to open up, a lot. Invited him to parties, games and just tried to start conversations with him. All of this went on for 6 months or so and he only went with them once, got drunk and said he had an imaginary girlfriend.

It's really a shame that nothing could have been done to prevent this, to get him some help. Yeah, murders happen a lot, but does that mean that people still shouldn't mourn?

Kenny_C.002
April 17th, 2007, 11:15 PM
His roommates are in an interview right and giving some pretty interesting information. They both tried to get him to open up, a lot. Invited him to parties, games and just tried to start conversations with him. All of this went on for 6 months or so and he only went with them once, got drunk and said he had an imaginary girlfriend.

It's really a shame that nothing could have been done to prevent this, to get him some help. Yeah, murders happen a lot, but does that mean that people still shouldn't mourn?
No, it means that we're too desensitized to truly feel the pain.

Fox♠
April 18th, 2007, 03:48 AM
Yea been everywere......
It's on the tube now !
But he was...

On Depressions
Had Problems(He wrote creapy stories)
Was just........Crazy!

He had a few thinggs written pn his arm about the Muslim Abraham so it might have been religious tohugh he was looking for his Girlfriend!I would like to solute the 77 year old teacher eho was killed while teaching a class when he jumped in the doorway and took the shots while all his students survived ;_;

HollyWood~JD

Ironically enough, that brave man had survived the holocaust, but fell victim to a nut job. What a twisted world we live in.

To the person who said if we take the guns away then the problem will stop. It won't, they'll simply find a substitute. Such as knifes.

pokejungle
April 18th, 2007, 04:26 AM
His roommates are in an interview right and giving some pretty interesting information. They both tried to get him to open up, a lot. Invited him to parties, games and just tried to start conversations with him. All of this went on for 6 months or so and he only went with them once, got drunk and said he had an imaginary girlfriend.

It's really a shame that nothing could have been done to prevent this, to get him some help. Yeah, murders happen a lot, but does that mean that people still shouldn't mourn?
I'm sure they *would* say they tried to help him, huh? I personally don't believe it. Kind of stupid.

And writing creepy stories qualifies nothing.

Ryoutarou
April 18th, 2007, 07:44 AM
I'm sure they *would* say they tried to help him, huh? I personally don't believe it. Kind of stupid.

And writing creepy stories qualifies nothing.There's nothing to lead anyone to believe it was a lie, so until proved otherwise, I'll believe them.

It was enough for his teachers to try and get him help (as well as trying to help him themselves). True, that doesn't mean every person who writes stories like that are problematic, but at the time, he already had done things to lead people to believe it might be signs of him needing help. I'm pretty sure this was after he was charged with stalking a few students and making suicidal comments.

Suki
April 18th, 2007, 12:15 PM
The government and the President has got to do something about the gun laws.

That's the problem, they can't really. The gun business is very big but complicated within the governments. It's so confusing it's so weird. O_o

I do wish for it to be changed too... but I don't think it would ever change in the US.

TRIFORCE89
April 18th, 2007, 12:45 PM
In 2005, a judge declared him mentally incompetent. A threat to himself and others.

Once again, I ask - Why was he allowed to be at this school?

Even the teachers were afraid of him. The English department refused to teach him. One professor had to teach him one-on-one because he was scaring the teachers and students.

Shame.

Fox♠
April 18th, 2007, 01:00 PM
That's the problem, they can't really. The gun business is very big but complicated within the governments. It's so confusing it's so weird. O_o

I do wish for it to be changed too... but I don't think it would ever change in the US.

It's something to do with the constitution thing.

GeorgeWBushSupporter
April 18th, 2007, 03:01 PM
That's the problem, they can't really. The gun business is very big but complicated within the governments. It's so confusing it's so weird. O_o

It's something to do with the constitution thing.

Lol, "constitution thing." Yeah, our constitution says all men are allowed to bear arms. Can the law ever be changed? Yes. And it's not as complicated as Suki may think it is. Is it hard? Absolutely. In order to change something in the Constitution, a Constitutional amendment must take place. How do you make an amendment in the Constitution? The US Congress and Senate must have a two-thirds vote majority for it to happen.

Now, do I think that is right? No. I don't think the government should take away our rights like that. Can anyone name an example where a gun killed someone? You can't, guns don't kill people. People kill people. And with the logic that guns should be taken away because people kill with them, you would have to blame things like planes. Why? Because two planes killed over 3,000 people in our country. "Oh, but the planes didn't kill anyone, it was the terrorists." Exactly. Same with guns.

Lord Mike
April 18th, 2007, 03:03 PM
Yeah, Cho released that package to NBC news after he killed the first two people in the dormitory. It contain video's threatening campus security, and not mention his obsession with blood and gore.

Wow, what a loser! He took his anger out on the US? What a psycho! I mean, seriously, if this happened too much, the whole human race would be eventually extinct.

The worst part is that people are going to model his actions; believe it or not, there are other psychos in this country that are going to see if they can do the same thing and get away with it.

By the sound of it, you would think this guy is from North Korea instead of South Korea. =/

Persona
April 18th, 2007, 05:49 PM
Wow, what a loser! He took his anger out on the US? What a psycho! I mean, seriously, if this happened too much, the whole human race would be eventually extinct.

If we quit being self-centered, and look around us to reach out and help people such as him, we could stop many of those problems in the future. You're discussing the matters of the states? This isn't a political situation, this is a mental health issue. He's not an enemy to American people.

I don't want to be someone who is judgmental and consider that man a loser. First of all, I think he was a victim of his psychological sickness. Many of the students were aware of his mental situation, but no one took it seriously. I blame the campus facility and the security officials in the university for the magnitude of the laws, because they didn't take any action since the crime occurred. I think if they took a serious action from the beginning, the lives of the students could have been spared.

Melody
April 18th, 2007, 06:22 PM
In a way, I feel bad for the guy. He was depressed and apperantly thought about suicide alot. But that definetly dosnt make what he did right...
I too, Pity him...Maybe in his last few minutes he realized what he had done and
suicided for that reason. If he had not killed him self the law would have most likely done he same to him after putting him through a very public trial. Most people would be hopelessly biased against the poor guy anyway because of columbine. the people of the US would want to see him fry...Even if he was proven too mentally unstable to be punished for his actions...

mrplanters
April 18th, 2007, 06:26 PM
Yea been everywere......
It's on the tube now !
But he was...

On Depressions
Had Problems(He wrote creapy stories)
Was just........Crazy!

He had a few thinggs written pn his arm about the Muslim Abraham so it might have been religious tohugh he was looking for his Girlfriend!I would like to solute the 77 year old teacher eho was killed while teaching a class when he jumped in the doorway and took the shots while all his students survived ;_;

HollyWood~JD

Dude will everyone just shut up about Muslims attacking people? I am Muslim and i know for a fact that most of us don't just go around bombing places.

pokejungle
April 19th, 2007, 01:14 AM
There's nothing to lead anyone to believe it was a lie, so until proved otherwise, I'll believe them.

It was enough for his teachers to try and get him help (as well as trying to help him themselves). True, that doesn't mean every person who writes stories like that are problematic, but at the time, he already had done things to lead people to believe it might be signs of him needing help. I'm pretty sure this was after he was charged with stalking a few students and making suicidal comments.
Writing really shouldn't prove anything unless he named characters after people AND it had disturbing content.

I write a *lot* of things, because I'm into the horror genre (SK <3) and I wouldn't want anyone to judge my personality based on my writing. Ugh, definitely no.

Drahc
April 19th, 2007, 01:47 AM
come on.
anyone can get a gun in the united states and do this.
just a problem of getting the weapon into the building.

pokejungle
April 19th, 2007, 02:13 AM
come on.
anyone can get a gun in the united states and do this.
just a problem of getting the weapon into the building.
That's not that hard either. Not at all. One word: backpack.

I want MUCH stricter gun laws in the US. It is honestly scary, and I won't -can't- feel as safe in my High School after last September, and now this...and all the other shootings.

Drahc
April 19th, 2007, 02:20 AM
erm yeah.
it is bad.
bush should ban some guns.

Lord Mike
April 19th, 2007, 12:26 PM
If we quit being self-centered, and look around us to reach out and help people such as him, we could stop many of those problems in the future. You're discussing the matters of the states? This isn't a political situation, this is a mental health issue. He's not an enemy to American people.

I don't want to be someone who is judgmental and consider that man a loser. First of all, I think he was a victim of his psychological sickness. Many of the students were aware of his mental situation, but no one took it seriously. I blame the campus facility and the security officials in the university for the magnitude of the laws, because they didn't take any action since the crime occurred. I think if they took a serious action from the beginning, the lives of the students could have been spared.

Are you kidding me? I don't care what depression he had; that gave him absolutely no excuse to kill 32 people. I mean, think about it. You saying: "Waaa! Let's sorry for the cold-blooded killer and not the victims." You are cold-blooded if you think that. He's a bad guy; the mental illness is still no excuse. He got what he asked for: death.

Persona
April 19th, 2007, 01:21 PM
Are you kidding me? I don't care what depression he had; that gave him absolutely no excuse to kill 32 people. I mean, think about it. You saying: "Waaa! Let's sorry for the cold-blooded killer and not the victims." You are cold-blooded if you think that. He's a bad guy; the mental illness is still no excuse. He got what he asked for: death.

Where have I mentioned that we shouldn't feel sorry for the victims? I don't believe you quite understand, I tried to figure out the situation on both sides, yet you suppose that I've felt remorseful for the gunman and not the victims? Wrong. All I'm saying is that he carried a disorder, a disease. He was in the hospital last year, he had not received the proper medication, nor serious awarenesses, and because of the medical confidentiality, his psychiatrist didn't release any absolute information. Not to his parents, neither his campus facility. For that, I do not view him as someone bad. In our judgment, we have to base on what people with more knowledge about psychological problems are telling us. We have to rely on them. To do that, we must listen to the professional people. Yes, I do admit he had done a mistake for taking the lives of others, but for you to assume that his condition was no excuse is not completely correct. Any kind of incident that has occurred should give us a lesson and a critical message, and the message for this situation is to not consider that everyone around ourselves are mentally and physically perfect.

I'll say this now, pay more attention to what I say, and don't misinterpret my thoughts.

Loki
April 19th, 2007, 01:50 PM
Are you kidding me? I don't care what depression he had; that gave him absolutely no excuse to kill 32 people. I mean, think about it. You saying: "Waaa! Let's sorry for the cold-blooded killer and not the victims." You are cold-blooded if you think that. He's a bad guy; the mental illness is still no excuse. He got what he asked for: death.

To be blatanly honest, if anyone's being cold-blooded it's you. You are being completely insensitive to the murderer, and though I know it's a normal human response to completely disregard the feelings of a murderer, you have to understand that people with mental disabilities are different from people without them. Honestly, if we go by your words, then handicapped people have no excuse to be handicapped.

You have to realize that someone people with his kind of mental disease may be under the impression that doing what he did was okay. Humans naturally act on what they think is right, and I think that your intentions are exactly based on what you think is right as well, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't feel that what he did was wrong, but, before you go off ranting about how he was a loser, you might want to put yourself in his shoes for a few moments and see how he was feeling: Trust me, it wasn't anything along the lines of, "ZOMGWTFXORZLET'SKILLEVERYONEJUSTBECAUSEICAN."

If that is your deduction, then you are simply proving to yourself that you have no right to judge this tragedy.

Drach: Ban some guns? :/ What good would that do? Murderer's would just get other kinds of guns. Ban all guns? That's completely unconstituitional, and completely unefficient. Besides, anything can be a weapon when used properly, even a pen.

Stories: I love writing stories about gore and death, but honestly, if you know me, I'm far from a disturbing person... Well... my hyperness and utter annoying-ness may be disturbing, but that's different. You can't really judge a person on the stories they write, after all, some people are just more gifted in writing stories that disturb the mind and describe things like death and the such.

pokejungle
April 20th, 2007, 06:21 PM
After I heard that in High School someone said to hime "Go back to China!" after he read part of a book in English aloud to the class... There was obviously other people that got him up to breaking point. Not to mention the fact that they named the wrong country, which must have been quite insulting.

So while what he did was unforgivable, other people have blood on their hands too.

Yoshi_Master
April 20th, 2007, 06:29 PM
Wow... still can't believe this happened.

I guess anything can happen these days...

You can win the lottery or fall of a building or become Bill Gates... not really.

But seriously, what has the world come to?

This is completely unacceptable. I agree, doing something to rid of guns would help a little bit but it won't solve for the problem.

Perhaps, more than a gun license should be needed?

Or ban guns from now on, ban all weapons, and create world peace.

Peace won't happen any time soon in this world. Unfortuntely...
Very sad about this tragedy.

-Yoshi_Master

Cherrim
April 20th, 2007, 06:57 PM
Even with a mental problem, I'm hard-pressed to believe this man thought he was doing something righteous or even "okay." He methodically planned this out. Well, it seems like it with the video tapes and whatnot that he mailed out in-between killings. It's not like it was a spur of the moment thing--he didn't just randomly snap and start shooting. He planned this. He knew what he was going to do. Now, his morals may differ from ours since ethics aren't necessarily a worldwide thing, but I won't believe he didn't realize, at that age and in university, that killing was wrong.