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Gary, the Magic Fairy
April 18th, 2007, 08:57 PM
What do you think makes a pokemon legendary? Super strength, Ancient powers, Extreme rarity, or something totally different?

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In my opinion, legendary pokemon are simply pokemon with legends behind them. They don't have to be rare or strong.

Ichida
April 19th, 2007, 01:11 AM
Legendary Pokemon? Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, Mew, Entei, Raikou, Suicune, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Latios, Latias, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Heatran, Regigigas, Giratina, Cresselia, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin, & Arceus.

If you wanna get technical, this is how I define a legendary Pokemon:

- cannot breed (Yes, yes, I know, except for Manaphy)
- abormal stats, high or identically balanced
- only one per playthrough (except Phione, of course :P)

Zorua
April 19th, 2007, 02:57 AM
I would think it's more of the legends behind them than anything else. Mew, Mewtwo, Three Legendary Birds, those pokemon all have legends behind them.

Hakeen
April 19th, 2007, 04:57 AM
I think legendarity is gained through the way they look, if they look awesome, to me, they're most likely to be legendary. Though that theory can't really be proved true in all cases.

Eon-Rider
April 19th, 2007, 04:58 AM
I think legendary Pokemon are Pokemon that have some sort of legend behind them. O_o

Jude Mathis
April 19th, 2007, 06:14 AM
Legends, and the fact that they're so powerful somehow makes them really special... Oo

Lt. Surge's Raichu
April 19th, 2007, 07:51 AM
Well, if the stat is powerfull and the pokemon looks unique i will call it a legendary

Gary, the Magic Fairy
April 19th, 2007, 01:39 PM
- only one per playthroughPlaythrough? We're talking about the pokemon world as a whole, not just the games. You can't play the manga or anime.

- cannot breed (Yes, yes, I know, except for Manaphy)They do breed. Baby Lugia have been seen in the anime before. Just because it doesn't like to breed in some pokemon daycare, doesn't mean it can't.

Strength isn't consistent to what people claim to be legendary either. Is tyranitar legendary? Most say no. Is it extremely powerful? YES. Wouldn't that be 'stats'? Now, would someone please explain to me how Power = Legendary status?

Ichida
April 19th, 2007, 04:38 PM
Because Celebi can travel through time?

Because Groudon can cause the entire world's oceans to evaporate?

Because Kyogre could flood the world?

Because Deoxys is a mutating virus from space?

Because Dialga and Palkia have the power to control the very fabrics of time and space?

Because Arceus is the CREATION GOD of Pokemon?

<.<;; I live by the games, whereas you seem to live by the anime. *shrug* I'm not up to following the beliefs of an anime with hundreds of episodes of filler with no purpose other than to showcase each Pokemon. IMO it's a vehicle for the game. The only reason people use some of the weaker Pokemon is because the anime misconstrues the actual usefulness of many Pokemon in competitive battle.

Star★Seeker
April 19th, 2007, 05:15 PM
It's just a piece of junk with high stats and only one type rareness.BTW, Mewtwo ain't legend,neither Deoxys.

Ayano Katagiri
April 19th, 2007, 05:54 PM
In my opinion, legendary pokemon are simply pokemon with legends behind them. They don't have to be rare or strong.

I agree with that. Legendaries just have all mysterious and powerful Legends behind their name and creates a super power image just because of that. And then, they are pumped up ingame with abnormal stats.

Gary, the Magic Fairy
April 19th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Because Celebi can travel through time?

Because Groudon can cause the entire world's oceans to evaporate?

Because Kyogre could flood the world?

Because Deoxys is a mutating virus from space?

Because Dialga and Palkia have the power to control the very fabrics of time and space?

Because Arceus is the CREATION GOD of Pokemon?Yes, exactly. Isn't that the definition of the word legend? I don't see what you're getting at.

<.<;; I live by the games, whereas you seem to live by the anime.I don't live by the anime. I never even watch anymore. This is the pokemon general forum. You can't just ignore another part of the pokemon world because you don't like it. If I put this in the game section, you could continue to spread your game-related facts.
A certain pokemon has been shown to have an ability to breed, yet in the games it doesn't breed when you give old people it's pokeball. Makes sense, no? They can breed. They choose not to. If there was a reference in the Manga that conflicts with the anime, I'd accept it and compare them, not complain about the Manga for biased reasons.

I won't even acknowledge that last sentence; I'm offtopic enough as it is, I don't need to dicuss your opinion of the anime ruining competitive battles in a thread about the definition of legendaries.

Shiny Umbreon
April 19th, 2007, 08:11 PM
The correct definition of a legendary Pokémon is "a Pokémon that cannot be gotten more than once in a single Pokémon Game" (no glitches or gameshark)

So it restricts it to: Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, Mew, Entei, Raikou, Suicune, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Latios, Latias, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Heatran, Regigigas, Giratina, Cresselia, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin, & Arceus.

You can get more than one Phione, so it's not a legendary.

Gunn
April 19th, 2007, 08:36 PM
I define them with a legend as a background. I mean, we wouldn't call them LEGENDary if there is no legend to support them.

Ichida
April 19th, 2007, 10:46 PM
The correct definition of a legendary Pokémon is "a Pokémon that cannot be gotten more than once in a single Pokémon Game" (no glitches or gameshark)

- only one per playthrough

THANK you. Someone who agrees.

Nod to Phione; forgot that it can be bred multiple times.

Gary, the Magic Fairy
April 20th, 2007, 01:13 PM
THANK you. Someone who agrees. No one disagreed. Everyone one knows that 'legendaries' in games are pokemon that can be caught once.

What I'm trying to say is to look at it from the point of a game character, without the "it can only be caught once per game" attitude. Pretend that the pokemon world = the world you live in. What would you consider a legendary?

Please, no one else post the 'only once a game' thing.

Rai
April 20th, 2007, 01:27 PM
Hmm, that is very interesting! I never really thought about what makes a pokemon legendary...

I guess I agree with what some other people said. In the game at least (sorry ^^; ), there is only one of them. In the show there is usually only one of them except for the Lugia example Kenji-kun mentioned. And all the legendaries have some sort of story or 'special' power.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
April 20th, 2007, 02:13 PM
I think its only the rarity since there is only one in the game because not all legendaries are strong

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

Death Rogers
April 20th, 2007, 02:18 PM
Well, Legendaries are always:

-One of a kind. ('Cept Fione.)
-Have a mystical power that only it has. (Example: Suicune can purify murky water.
-Being chased after by a crime syndicate that ends up being thwarted by a ten-year-old Pokemon Trainer.

Gummy
April 20th, 2007, 02:24 PM
I believe the bonus disk allow syou to transfer Jirachi more than one (although I think I'm wrong). Anyways, doesn't that take away from its rarity and its legendary status?

Yaziyo
April 20th, 2007, 11:14 PM
Then again, Arcanine on the Pokedex is defined as "Legendary" type.

LawLessChaoz
April 21st, 2007, 01:56 AM
Legendary pokemon just have legends behind them.

RYOUKI
April 23rd, 2007, 08:48 PM
i agree that a legendary pokemon has legends behind them
but i disagree sheimi for being a legendary pokemon
what would shaymin do?curl up like a ball and then what?

Ichida
May 1st, 2007, 06:02 AM
Shaymin? Shaymin's a legendary. No question there. The fact that you can only get it via an event makes it a legendary. What powers does it have? Shaymin supposedly has dominion over flowers and nature. I mean, when you first see it, it walks up to you on a rocky cliff, and BAM, the place becomes a beautiful garden. I think it could make a good seeder if you train it right.

Jirachi's a legendary, Arcanine isn't, though he's still kickass. :)

Aegis
May 1st, 2007, 07:32 AM
In my opinion, legendary pokemon are simply pokemon with legends behind them. They don't have to be rare or strong.

Yah, I agree with you. I think that a Pokemon is legendary if they are only in legends, and haven't been seen in a long time, or have never been seen.

acrof
May 2nd, 2007, 11:14 AM
In my opinion, legendary pokemon are simply pokemon with legends behind them. They don't have to be rare or strong.
Yes, but remember that some "normal" pokemos also have legends in the games, in the anime and even in the cards!
For the games, cards, and anime legend you can use the legend of Ninetales.
In the anime, and in the movies Unown also have legends (isn´t movie 3 based on a bunch of "non legendary" creatures?)(remember that the Entei shown on it was not real).

For me (and a lot of veterans in pokemon) "legendary" is a pokemon with a abnormal sum of status (higher stats).

But we also use the term "guardian" for those pokemons that are stronger within the other legendaries.
EX: Lugia is a guardian, not because it´s the guardian of the sea in the second movie, but because it´s stronger than a Moltres, or a Raikou, or a Regi.

Shiny Umbreon
May 2nd, 2007, 06:59 PM
No one disagreed. Everyone one knows that 'legendaries' in games are pokemon that can be caught once.

What I'm trying to say is to look at it from the point of a game character, without the "it can only be caught once per game" attitude. Pretend that the pokemon world = the world you live in. What would you consider a legendary?

Please, no one else post the 'only once a game' thing.

Excuse me, but what is Pokémon? A video game with a story that fits more and less with the game mechanics. Remember that the anime and manga were based from the games.

That was my definiton. If you want an in-universe definition, it would be harder. No one knows what makes a legendary. How can we know a fan-made term if we don't live in the Pokémon world. We can only see the anime (not canon) and play the games with the story restricted by the mechanics.

Some other Pokémon have abnormal stats (Tyranitar), are hard to find (Feebas), are in the end of the Dex (Dragonite), have legends, etc. We all just know they are Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, Mew, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Regice, Regirock, Registeel, Latias, Latios, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Heatran, Giratina, Crecelia, Regigigas, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin and Arceus, with some debating about Manaphy/Phione.

acrof
May 3rd, 2007, 09:31 AM
People have some problems to accept different things, like that Manaphy breading thing, every single legendary can probably bread(if they were real, of course), and besides, even some animals can generate descendants, without another from the same specie, like some reptiles, and some frogs.

Sassafras
May 3rd, 2007, 11:01 AM
Yeah, legandary is a Pokemon that is a Legand to the people in the game, those being In my opinion; Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, The Legandary trios, Rayquaza, Groundon, Kyorge, Dialga and Palkia.

Gary, the Magic Fairy
May 7th, 2007, 10:05 PM
Excuse me, but what is Pokémon? A video game with a story that fits more and less with the game mechanics. Remember that the anime and manga were based from the games.So what if they were based on the games? You can't disregard the anime and manga. Pokemon is not just the games anymore. I don't care if you don't like anything else. Deal with it. The anime and manga have just as much input as the games.

We can only see the anime (not canon) and play the games with the story restricted by the mechanics.Please stop saying the anime is not canon. I put this in the pokemon general section for a reason. If I wanted a lecture on game mechanics or the same list of pokemon repeated 30x, I would've posted it in the games section.

Okay, back on topic:
People have some problems to accept different things, like that Manaphy breading thing, every single legendary can probably bread(if they were real, of course), and besides, even some animals can generate descendants, without another from the same specie, like some reptiles, and some frogs.I like the idea of offspring without breeding. It could explain why legends who are genderless can sometimes reproduce, which would explain the Lugia.