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Da_Green_Teddy
May 9th, 2004, 01:07 PM
In movesets, I see people saying to get "HP psychic" or "HP fire" or "HP Fighting". What exactly does this mean? Sorry i'm such a noob :P

Mana Lugia
May 9th, 2004, 01:11 PM
HP means Hidden power, and the type after it is the Type that the hidden power is taking.

Da_Green_Teddy
May 9th, 2004, 03:09 PM
how does it take on a different power?

Flygon trainer
May 9th, 2004, 03:20 PM
actually, I think the hidden power changes depending on the pokemon.. I once had a hidden power that used a bug type attack, from my Houndoom

Frostweaver
May 9th, 2004, 03:42 PM
HP changes depending on your IV. A pokemon can get any type of power ranging from an attack power from 31 to a maximum of 70. You'll need a specific calculator to find out what HP you got depending on what IV you have

Realistically, HP is impossible to use without a cheating device on a real gameboy. the chance fo getting the needed IV is so slim... It's more for online battling where you can adjust everything so that all that matters is your skill.

Da_Green_Teddy
May 26th, 2004, 12:33 PM
Do you know an existing way to find out exactly what kind of HP a pokemon has?

Frostweaver
May 26th, 2004, 02:02 PM
I believe Meowth has the IV calculator out. Use the calculator and match your IV. Then go take your IV and match a HP chart. Yes it is hideous work and we don't recommand you to use HP at all without cheating or if you are not going to online battle. Since the calculator only works after you fully EV trained at lvl 100

(calculator is most accurate at this stage. Though it works too if it's at the intial lvl you got the Pokemon at without battling, it is not as accurate as stats differences from EV/IV aren't that high yet when you're just lvl 5. In fact you can hardly tell your IVs at all when you're just lvl 5 because your stats are so similar regardless of whatever IV you have. Higher lvl and higher EV, the more accurate it is)

Online battling you can go to the HP section and choose a type, and the computer will adjust the IV required for you.

UmbralReaver
May 27th, 2004, 06:17 AM
In game, I just use trial and error. I give a pokemon HP then do not save until I have seen the results and have figured out which type it is.....if I like the results, I save the game. If not, I turn it off and still have the TM.

Though it is not full proof, I find it fun and intriguing. My Umbreon (in crystal) had HP Water----which was very helpful with Ground/Rock types....until I figured out Umbreon is not an attacker by any stretch of the imagination.... :/

VanirElf
May 27th, 2004, 06:54 AM
Hidden Power is a move that works differently for every pokemon.
even if they're the same pokemon i.e. you have 2 altaria's it's likely that
they'll have different hidden powers.

the type hidden power takes on depends on an invisible value every pokemon
has, which also determines the maximum point their stats can reach.
often called E.V. or I.V (effort value) (individual value)

Hidden power can take on any type
i.e.

Dragon
Psychich
Bug

basically any time NOT including normal

you will never have a pokemon with hidden power NORMAL

due to changes in ruby/sapphire HP works different than in GSC
it used to be that hidden power's type could tell you how high your
pokemon's stats would grow.
the better the hidden power type, the better your stats would be.
it's changed, it still has something to do with that invisible value
but no longer has an effect on the outcome of your stats
now it's all about proper training.

Frostweaver
May 27th, 2004, 02:19 PM
trial and error may work on finding types, but HP also varies power to power (31 to 70, and that's a BIG difference). You maybe able to guess the type, but can you achieve the attack power 70 one by guessing? Not exactly...

Jari
May 28th, 2004, 01:44 AM
If you want to give someone HP and it doesnt matter what type it is,but you want to find out what type it is,use this:
Use it on an Oddish for example.Is it super effective,then ither Psychic,Fire,Flying.Find a water Pokmon,is it not very effective,then its Fire.
Or use it on Pidgey.Is it Super effective,then its either Ice,Rock or Electric.If its not very effective,it is either Bug or Grass.If it has no effect at all,it is either Ghost or Ground.
Continue this process until you have found out its type.

Frostweaver
May 28th, 2004, 09:32 AM
but just like what i said before, you will want HP Ice with 70 power, not the HP Ice with 31 power. If I use it on an oddish, both of them will result in a super effective, but one of them is more than twice as weak as the other... x_x;

you can test out type, but can't test out power

Xilion_Sword90
May 28th, 2004, 04:58 PM
There is more simple way: just use your HP on a Kecleon...

Da_Green_Teddy
May 30th, 2004, 05:58 PM
Thanks for the help guys!
Xilion_Sword90: That is a simple way... hmm.... I can try that on my ruby, but i'll probably just try Jari89's idea on crystal.

Lucifer
May 31st, 2004, 01:20 AM
It's basically useless except for use on NetBattle, where its power is set to 70 and you can choose what type it is. Or, of course, on Pokemon that desperately need a second attack and can learn nothing better.

Ah, my good ol' HP Dragon Magcargo. ;)

Jirachi3
May 31st, 2004, 07:11 PM
I'm pretty sure hidden power depends on the enviornment around the pokemon .Example:if groudon used hidden power it would be fire because of the increased heat on the battle field.

Frostweaver
May 31st, 2004, 07:20 PM
no... hidden power is based on your IV numbers... only secretpower matters depending on the environment

Aiya Quackform
May 31st, 2004, 07:22 PM
I'm pretty sure hidden power depends on the enviornment around the pokemon .Example:if groudon used hidden power it would be fire because of the increased heat on the battle field.

No, it was already explained before.

HP changes depending on your IV. A pokemon can get any type of power ranging from an attack power from 31 to a maximum of 70. You'll need a specific calculator to find out what HP you got depending on what IV you have

Realistically, HP is impossible to use without a cheating device on a real gameboy. the chance fo getting the needed IV is so slim... It's more for online battling where you can adjust everything so that all that matters is your skill.

In simpler terms, the type HP has is constant in an individual Pokemon. It does NOT change depending on environment, Pokemon type, time of day, or anything else. It can be any type on any Pokemon.

Frostweaver
May 31st, 2004, 07:24 PM
not normal though ;p

Hidden Power is always a physical, indirect attack though regardless of types. Counter always work against HP even if it's HP Psychic, and mirror coat always fail against Hp even if it's HP Psychic

awkwardsilencer
June 1st, 2004, 11:34 AM
man, i got fighting type on my delibird...lol

Da_Green_Teddy
June 1st, 2004, 07:53 PM
I tried that kecleon thing on my ruby, and My Azumarill had poison, my Groudon had flying, my Kirlia had grass, although i need to know what is Super effective and doesn't affect normal types to figure the others out. Anyone know?

Frostweaver
June 1st, 2004, 07:55 PM
ghost is the only one that normal is completely immune to ^_^;

like i said, that can test out type but not the attack power...

Ice demon
June 1st, 2004, 08:18 PM
Does HP run off of Attack or SpAtt according 2 its type or does it only run off of Att because it is a normal type move?

Frostweaver
June 1st, 2004, 08:21 PM
HP runs off according to type... that's why Espeons/Exeggutor usually have hp fire on them to run off their super high sp.attack already.

HP is calculated by the type of HP it is, except for counter/mirror coat which HP is treated as normal attack. Sunny day will affect HP Fire's attack, and same for rain dance and HP Water.

Da_Green_Teddy
June 5th, 2004, 01:25 PM
ghost is the only one that normal is completely immune to ^_^;
isn't that vice-versa?

Frostweaver
June 5th, 2004, 01:48 PM
both are immune to each other, while dragon is strong against itself.

Da_Green_Teddy
June 10th, 2004, 06:40 PM
Ok, then my Swellow has fighting HP and Blaziken, mightyena, and bagon have HP ghost.