Is an all-encompassing Pokémon hack possible?

[johnboy3434]

I had a dream not too long ago about a Pokémon hack that included Kanto, the Orange Archipelago, Johto, and Hoenn in a single game. That's 28 badges (42 if you count silver and gold Frontier symbols), three championships, and all 386 Pokémon from the first three generations. Given the state of DS hacking, Sinnoh and the 107 Pokémon that come with it are obviously off-limits for now. I was just curious if it were possible to make a hack like this, since it would obviously take up more data-space than a normal GBA cartridge could hold. Just a pointless question I came up with.

[Ripper]

In short: No, no you can't.

[HackMew]

In short: No, no you can't.

I disagree. It's an very ambitious project ok, but it could be done after a lot, really a lot of work. Anyway, if you're planning to put your hacked ROM on a normale GBA cartridge the free space won't be sure enough.

[Cryomancer]

Can't you just add zeros to the end of the rom for extra data space?

If anything I think the hardest part of this would be the badges. Adding all the pokemon into one game is pretty simple, maps shouldn't be a huge deal unless there's some sort of limit to tilesets you can use. There could also be issues with the fact that you'd arrive in a new region already knowing surf, cut, etc.

[SuperMetroid]

He could make it as if each region is intertwined, like you have to go to kanto to get surf but, in honnen gets cut.

[Teh Baro]

FR has four world maps
You can just stick to 8 badges in the trainer card and add more badges later.
There's plenty of free space, so in fire red or leaf green it could be doable.
So, can it be done?: yes
Will you do it? : oh no you le didn't! It's a hell of a lot of work and I bet you would give up before ending it. So well, try it if you want to.

[jack276]

Maybe it would be a good idea to get 3 or 4 different teams to make a map each and join them together at the end.

[Time]

I already tried to do that... But I failed in the end... I was hacking PKMN Ruby and there I put three warps inside the truck which will lead you to Kanto, Johto and Hoenn.

It worked out okay at first, but when I tried to play in Hoenn, the script was all messed up! PROF. BIRCH is gone! (and I haven't done anything in hoenn)! The mom of your character wont let you out of your room!

To make it short, Hoenn was a total mess!
But even so.., if I reached that far, so could you, or maybe even further.
Just don't give up on your dream!

It may not sound possible, but it's not impossible...

TAMASHII helped me out too, even though she had no hope that it'll be successful... Oh well...

[BlackRainbow*]

It can be done if you use Rom Expander like Kike-Scoot will use it in pokemon Crystal Shards. Rom expander resize your rom and add more free space into your rom so there is more space to do maps and other stuff. But where to get Rom Expander i don't know. You should ask kike-scoot

[Magnius]

There's always compression.

[nickwarr_182]

I'd say it's easier to do by hacking FR/LG, since they already have two different maps. You could find out how to add more, and make all the regions into one game.

Oh, and destinedjagold (http://pkmncommunity.com/member.php?u=48504), if something's not possible, then it's impossible for it to not be impossible.

[Time]

KebaSun, thanks for that info... If ever I'll find that "rom expander".., I'll post its whereabouts here...

nickwarr182,
I said "it may not sound possible".

SOUND... "... it may sound impossible..."

I guess what I meant is like what you understood...

"...it may sound impossible, but it is not..."

Oh well...........

[magnetflygon]

I figure it may be possible especially if you took all of the maps, inside and out, for each town and such, and placed it on one map, namely the main map of the town. From there, just add the events and whatnot.

[Time]

I dont quite understand......

[aznb0ibrill]

takes a hell lot of work =/

[Tentachu]

It's possible, sure. By adding 0s to the end like Cryomancer said, you could make a hack with everything. Don't know about flash cart playability though...

Hang on, is playability a word?!?

Anyway, yes it is possible, it would just take a long time. A very long time. If someone started now, we might see it by November....

2008, that is...

[Juniorslick]

Rom hacking teams kinda sound like a great idea.........

A thread could be made to show all teams and each team could make a thread releasing there hack................and the hack of the year could go to the team that had best hack

Each team would have about 4-5 members

*just an idea though dont take it seriously

[Tr@ce]

I bet it could be done, but you'd need some experinced rom-hackers and alot of free time. It would take a long time, but I doubt it's impossible. Wouldn't it be great if nintendo made a game like that? Or if fr/lg had acess to Johto.... man, that would be awwwweeeessooommme.

[HI-TECH]

How could you make a big game when you can only make a limited amount of tiles without having to replace the old tiles and pokemon/

[johnboy3434]

Well, I am pleased with the discussion, so far. I would like to say, though, that I have no current plans to make this game. I merely wondered if it was even possible. I have another question that stems from my thoughts on the subject, though. The Orange Archipelago is the region that the games forgot. Any maps made for such a region would have to be crafted by the hacker.

Because of its neglected status, hacks that focus on the Orange Archipelago have always been my favorites. Unfortunately, I have yet to play a completed hack (one that goes through the battle with Drake). Has any Orange Islands hack ever been finished? I'd like to know, even if it was a hack for the GB/GBC generations.

[Zurenriri]

MIND READER! O_o
Nah, him and me probably aren't the only one's who've thought of this.
I had imagined, as well, that ROM space would be an issue (didn't know about things like memory extenders at the time), so my idea was to start from scratch and make it a computer game, with 3D graphics! (WOOT!) But that could take years, unless we hired some pros.

But... should that ever get onto a ROM... I will do everything possible to get it on a cartridge.

[Latieon]

yes it is possible.But really hard.It can be done by a group if people concentrate on different stuff but work in coordination
But itll take a real long time.cause soon nintendo will come out with another generation of pokemon.....so the all included hack will never be complete

[thethethethe]

What rom would be the best to use to make the all-encompassing hack?

[kevin96]

I had a dream not too long ago about a Pokémon hack that included Kanto, the Orange Archipelago, Johto, and Hoenn in a single game. That's 28 badges (42 if you count silver and gold Frontier symbols), three championships, and all 386 Pokémon from the first three generations. Given the state of DS hacking, Sinnoh and the 107 Pokémon that come with it are obviously off-limits for now. I was just curious if it were possible to make a hack like this, since it would obviously take up more data-space than a normal GBA cartridge could hold. Just a pointless question I came up with.

yeah I guess you can and I'll help you if you want

[Ahegil]

hmmm i have no life and lots and lots of time... i belive i MAY undertake this project... will need help of course any one else wants to help say so and when im ready ill contact u....

Because of its neglected status, hacks that focus on the Orange Archipelago have always been my favorites. Unfortunately, I have yet to play a completed hack (one that goes through the battle with Drake). Has any Orange Islands hack ever been finished? I'd like to know, even if it was a hack for the GB/GBC generations.


yes but its on R/B lol

[Teh Baro]

What rom would be the best to use to make the all-encompassing hack?

Fire red, since it has many minimaps

[Gradon]

Ahegil, you do realise this will take a long time correct? Anyway, this has intrigued me, and I would like to help with the maps, but it seems, very, big. Hmm, I'll think about this.

[Ahegil]

ok ill do this but it will take at least 3 months for the first Beta as i am going to do it in binary (easyer for me) the Data in the ROM is in binary so this will be the best way (fastest) also this will be for the DS as i am from Japan and i can get a DS Emulater (dont ask inless so are good with command prompts(think MS DOS) and can read japenese) so any questions will be anwsered and johnboy3434 gets full credit for the idea.

Note: the reason i stoped coming on this forum is becuase inmature people get on here just to rip other people apart over stupid stuff so if i get any crap from anybody i WILL NOT finish this project that means no smart remarks about this ether.

[gangabob]

ok ill do this but it will take at least 3 months for the first Beta as i am going to do it in binary (easyer for me) the Data in the ROM is in binary so this will be the best way (fastest) also this will be for the DS as i am from Japan and i can get a DS Emulater (dont ask inless so are good with command prompts(think MS DOS) and can read japenese) so any questions will be anwsered and johnboy3434 gets full credit for the idea.

Note: the reason i stoped coming on this forum is becuase inmature people get on here just to rip other people apart over stupid stuff so if i get any crap from anybody i WILL NOT finish this project that means no smart remarks about this ether.
Binary? I've never heard of anyone even attempting to do that. I never knew you could hack in binary.

[Ahegil]

i program so it will be the best for me the hacking programs confuse me as they are mostly in german..... not many translated only hack-mew stuff and a few others like basic map editers that cuase massive glitchs in game >_< well odd glitchs at least this way ill will be able to change every thing up to how they gain EVs

[amatsu109728]

o my gosh i found the rom expander thing in just a few minutes after i read this thread i just typed it in google but the only problem now is that it is in a .sit file ill post later if it works wooo! yeah!

[PocketPika]

once i saw the name of this topic i knew i had to say something: I am half way through making an all encompassing pokemon hack

But, im not sure if ill ever put it on the internet because i started making the hack just for my cousin.

[Elementologist]

I'm Sure it's possible to make a hack like that, but to make it easier, you can use only the eight first badges for the hms, and for space - with a-map 1.82 you can resize the size of maps for instance pallet town, and make it two or three cities together.
Even though there will be even more problems
1. It Will take alot of time
2. if you have already beaten the elite four in kanto I don't think you will really enjoy starting again in Johto with low -level pokemon, unless you do what nintendo did with kanto in crystal, that way hoenn would be a real challenge.
3. You will have to change the town maps or else flying will be like it is in Shiny Gold (From Island to Island).

Man, I would love to see you pull this off.

[spenceroone3]

once i saw the name of this topic i knew i had to say something: I am half way through making an all encompassing pokemon hack

But, im not sure if ill ever put it on the internet because i started making the hack just for my cousin.

You should! It sounds awesome!

[natu133]

I wanna help too. i can edit the sprites, im good at that, PLEASE LET ME HELP!

[ryan123456789019]

I have already started one i am done hoen and doing jhoto right now then i will do kanto and the orange islands

[Harpoon_lips]

Maybe it would be a good idea to get 3 or 4 different teams to make a map each and join them together at the end.

mhm....this would be a really good idea for a giant group hack!! and if cud figure out how 2 hack D/P, we can even use those graphics to map all the regions...and a whole new story line!! OMG!!! I want this so.......bad...it wud be the bomb=]!!

[Arck]

Just found a ROM Expander here after a quick look on google. But it wont let me post it untill I have 15 post. What I get for not talking when I have nothing to add I guess. Ill post it on my sig.

Edit: Ok sig didnt appear, check the profile for it, Ill keep it up there till I can come edit this and post the link its self in.

[The Smell]

I would like to help. Maybe use FR/LG so you have two maps already.

I'm good at maps and text. Mostly text XD

~Smell

[Haseo, the Sliver Twilight]

I would like to contribute what I can to anybody willing to try. Maybe...

Hm, how about it be a forum-wide Hack? Anybody could contribute to it, once the storyline's set, of course.

Hm... it's a bold idea, that's for sure. I don't think any place has a forum-wide project going on.

[The Smell]

I would like to contribute what I can to anybody willing to try. Maybe...

Hm, how about it be a forum-wide Hack? Anybody could contribute to it, once the storyline's set, of course.

Hm... it's a bold idea, that's for sure. I don't think any place has a forum-wide project going on.

That sounds like a great idea! People could contribute sprites, scripts, music! There could be a trainer for everyone lol. :)

But, some people might be sad about missing out. :(

Good idea though.

~Smell

[Dante_X]

sorry for the thread necro
but is this still alive?
i mean if it is i would like to help in any way i can....
i would like to be the script writer and/or beta tester but whatever

[Skeetendo, Inc.]

I would have to say that this sounds a bit extravagant to be taken seriously, although anythign is possible, given sufficient patience and skill levels. I would say given a team of the best hackers in history, with nothing important besides the hack to work on, ie school or jobs or whatnot, could get this done in about a year. Other than that, it could be done probably over a few years, provided that whoever decides to seriously work on it sticks with it, perseveres, and knows what they are doing. If you really have started on this, God speed. I'll look forward to seeing info about it if you ever put it on the internet.

[~Fire]

Actually there is(except for the battle frontier)and there is a new region also.
It is called pokemon white and its on ncraze.forumer.com

[Blazichu]

Space will probably be the biggest issue with this, and expanding the rom can cause a time freeze. If they made it out of D/P we would possibly run out of World Map space. With Gold/Silver I believe you can add in new maps via ASM but there is very limited space.

[Erimgard]

Space will probably be the biggest issue with this, and expanding the rom can cause a time freeze. If they made it out of D/P we would possibly run out of World Map space. With Gold/Silver I believe you can add in new maps via ASM but there is very limited space.
He didn't go into great detail, but in the Prism thread, Coolboyman made a comment about how he could put virtually as many regions in the game as he wanted because he knew how to add maps.

[Blazichu]

He didn't go into great detail, but in the Prism thread, Coolboyman made a comment about how he could put virtually as many regions in the game as he wanted because he knew how to add maps.

Yes, but you would run out of space at some point as you have to put in the tile order and the X and Y positions of the map which will take up space. So that means you have limited space, you can expand the rom but your clock won't work.

[Skeetendo, Inc.]

However, if you weren't concerned about losing clock functionality (which would be lame, but hey some people might not care) You could expand the rom and have as much room. However going by CBMs thread it is also possible to free up quite a lot of data for maps and such. Like for example there are beta versions of basically every map, these can be replaced with new map data and not take up any more space than the original. There is leftover unused text, other unused data I don't know about, etc. You can free up quite a bit of room if you know what you are doing. Actually the more I think about it the more doable this sounds. Probably the bigger problem with that many regions that you will run into is the amount of event flags you have for trainers and item balls and events and whatnot, however I am actually not sure what the cap on these is but it seems like it would be a more limiting factor than freespace.

[~*Pikafan*~]

Is the discussion still going? Because I found some errors in some of the member's ideas and ways and I had a plan for it.

For destinedjagold's plan: That wouldn't work because there's a script in the game that makes something happen in Ruby after the truck. If you have SMCA (I forget who it's by, I think HackMew), you see it says starting position (after Truck). The script is programmed to only have one script. Plus you probably double flagged.

For the G/S/C Plan: It would work, but what about all of Hoenn? Is there a way known to insert more than what's on the pokedex?

And yes, so far, Pokemon White is trying on getting all 3 regions plus another one in it.

Anyways, I had an idea for it, but it was too big for me. I'm not that much of a scripter yet, so I couldn't do it. My idea was that you started in an Airport Room (doesn't matter where for now, but probably in the lobby). You are ready to buy a ticket to go to one of the 4 Regions. You go to a certain counter to get your ticket and you head on the plane to get to where you're going. After coming off, the Professor of the region would introduce himself and whatever region you are in, give you your starter, and you would go off. Or after you get your ticket, you get to choose a starter there. That might be a little easier.

I know that there are a bunch of Problems with that already. That's why I couldn't do it. We'd need all of the best hackers out there in order to help.

But yes, I think it is possible, and whoever is trying to make it, I'd like to help.

By the way, if the discussion was dropped, then I'm sorry to have brought it up again.

[Ro-ohs]

I'll venture a guess and say that even if someone does start working on this, they'll drop it a little while into it for some reason. I don't imagine ever seeing it happen, unless it was an official Nintendo game.

But if I ever saw one, I would be amazed. That would be awesome.

[~*Pikafan*~]

Well, I'm not sure about hacks, but I know that there's a game with all of them in the Game Development. And if anyone would like to help me, I'd try to create a better idea and some other things.