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Drk Dragonite
June 25th, 2007, 06:34 AM
Don't get me wrong, Paul is a great character, he should even be the rival for d/p. But I'm come on everyone, Ash OMG beat lance and all of those tough characters, but looses to this new guy's chimchar. Also Ash should have said something when on the opening short movie for d/p, when Paul wanting to challenge Ash in the beggining but did not have three pokemon on him. Then even calling Ash pathetic. Anyone Agree?

Mr.Altosax
June 25th, 2007, 06:40 AM
Yeah I know Ash shouldn't have mentioned the pokemon at Oak's lab, as well as the fact that he was the Orange Champion, and was included in the Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn leagues...When did Ash fight Lance, though do you mean Drake?

And it would actually be amazing if Paul was the rival for D/P instead of the...crazy blondie with the Flock of Seagulls haircut.

haffeysucks
June 25th, 2007, 07:27 AM
crazy blondie with the Flock of Seagulls haircut.

Cynthia? LOL good analogy. :laugh:

Mr.Altosax
June 25th, 2007, 07:40 AM
Not Cynthia, she's the champion. I was talking about the rival, your childhood friend.

haffeysucks
June 25th, 2007, 07:45 AM
Not Cynthia, she's the champion. I was talking about the rival, your childhood friend.

Oh, that male character...I always relate "blonde" to females lol.

Nekonron
June 25th, 2007, 07:55 AM
Ash should have at least kept one of his stronger Pokemon around besides Pikachu. Who knows how many times Team Rocket had managed to run off with Pikachu leaving Ash with some low level Pokemon.

Okay, so maybe those are enough to take care of TR, but it would still had been nice if he had kept some other stronger Pokemon *cough*Charizard*cough* around just to put Paul back in his place :P

I like Cynthia, though. I think she's the coolest champion so far :D Rival ain't so bad either, at least its something new. Although I agree that it would have been much nicer to kick Paul around instead of him.

NocturnLeader
June 25th, 2007, 08:02 AM
I think of Paul as the New Gary. Paul Is such a retard when he keeps saying Pathetic, I think Ash should just say it back in a dorkier way just to mock him.

I agree that Paul should be the rival in the game.

Drk Dragonite
June 25th, 2007, 06:34 PM
That is true about Paul being like Gary. Another thing about Paul is that he is anoying with the catching and tossing away crap I mean look at some of the episodes so far. He's thrown away 2 starly, and a stantler or two. He should be nominated for the trainer who has given up the most pokemon in the shortest amount of episodes lol. And the pathetic thing is annoying, quoting Paul talking to Chimchar 'Don't laugh at them you are still as pathetic as before'. Now quoting to Ash' You are a pathetic loser...'

411Break
June 26th, 2007, 06:54 PM
Paul seems like the best rival so far.

redha
June 26th, 2007, 07:26 PM
do you think paul will be like gary,i mean like at the johto series he doesnt seems to be that annoying to ash

sory for my bad english

kohei
June 27th, 2007, 01:19 AM
Paul reminds me of a real hardcore "competitive" Pokemon player.
I mean come on, he makes references to IV (as in his so called "useless" Pokemon.)

Therefor, I relate to him.

Apathetic_Yen
June 28th, 2007, 08:21 PM
The reason why Paul calls Ash pathetic so much is because, well, he's right. Ash sucks so bad, what do people see in that loser? He uses Pickachu (still hasn't improved since the orange islands obviously)and an Aipom (ugh, that thing, I just don't know). His other pokemon I can understand, but Paul's had them for about the same time and he actually beat the first gym leader.

Proof of how gay Ash is: If anyone recalls an episode from the first season Ash begins to complain he hasn't caught many pokemon like Gary. Soon he catches a Primeape. Two episodes later he lets it go......................................Wow.

One more thing: It's kind of good that Paul isn't the rival for the games because he would just be another Silver. The resemblance is...scary. Only difference I see is the purple hair.

Myzou
June 29th, 2007, 12:07 AM
I'm waiting for the episode where they return to kanto with dawn and paul ends up at oaks, and all ash's pokemon hear him call Ash pathetic XD

Nekonron
June 29th, 2007, 02:38 AM
I'm waiting for the episode where they return to kanto with dawn and paul ends up at oaks, and all ash's pokemon hear him call Ash pathetic XD

Damn, I'd like to see that happen!

Actually, just Charizard would be enough :D Who knows, maybe it decided to go on a Sinnoh tour and caught Paul calling Ash pathetic.

NocturnLeader
June 29th, 2007, 03:12 AM
Damn, I'd like to see that happen!

Actually, just Charizard would be enough :D Who knows, maybe it decided to go on a Sinnoh tour and caught Paul calling Ash pathetic.

And thus Charizard sends out Flamethrower and then sits on him...LOL. Or better yet Ashs Snorlax sits on him!

He is one of the better Trainers like Ash has gotten to be. Ash can be annoying but he is still a good trainer, he has come a long way since he first started.

I remember when he sent out his Pikachu against a rocktype and his Butterfree as well!

Mr.Altosax
June 29th, 2007, 04:06 AM
Back in the day that Pikachu beat Brock's Geodude and Onix with just electricity...Though, he was pumped up, but I'd estimate that now he's just as strong as he was when his electricity was overly charged. And he has Volt Tackle and Iron Tail now. The only reason that Ash lost was probably Volt Tackle's Recoil, and Turtwig getting hit by...FLAMETHROWER! Who knew they had tms in the anime. Then again, Buneary learned ice beam within the first few episodes Dawn had her. Then Aipom was just kind of whimpy, but he did get ambushed.

And I think that when Whitney said that she was referring pokemon in plural.

I definetely hope that all the Sinnoh battles are like this one, though. They must have a higher budget now...

Paul got off pretty lucky with Elekid's brick break. Ash should be able to take him, he's the Orange League Champ after all.

NocturnLeader
June 29th, 2007, 05:36 AM
Who knew they had tms in the anime. ..


Actually a while back I believe in the 2nd series towards Johto A girl gardener had a Gloom who said that she bought double team and solar beam for her gloom and she gave it to it. So I think they have order them to give it to them.

Also there are people in the ANime that teach pokemon the learned moves, and sometimes pokemon will already know the move from a Parent.

Mr.Altosax
June 29th, 2007, 07:45 AM
Wow, well I don't think I watched all of Johto, and barely any of the Hoenn season so I probably did miss a lot I guess.

I actually just thought of something, for all we know Paul isn't a newbie. (Though I missed a couple eps so ignore this if I'm wrong) He seems a bit stronger than that, he may have started in Johto or Hoenn around the time Ash did. After all, we never actually saw him getting a Chimchar from Rowan.

chibi
June 29th, 2007, 07:51 AM
Turtwig > Chimchar. Ash will win :P

NocturnLeader
June 29th, 2007, 07:57 AM
Wow, well I don't think I watched all of Johto, and barely any of the Hoenn season so I probably did miss a lot I guess.

I actually just thought of something, for all we know Paul isn't a newbie. (Though I missed a couple eps so ignore this if I'm wrong) He seems a bit stronger than that, he may have started in Johto or Hoenn around the time Ash did. After all, we never actually saw him getting a Chimchar from Rowan.

I think he came from Johto with his Electabuzz. It doesn't really tell of where he came from yet. But I think he came from there. He probably has many pokemon as well as ash does. But he only brought along 1 so he can ctach stronger and better ones.

Apathetic_Yen
June 29th, 2007, 01:14 PM
Paul got off pretty lucky with Elekid's brick break. Ash should be able to take him, he's the Orange League Champ after all.

Although Ash isn't using any of his pokemon (excluding Pikachu) from the Orange League.

Chibaymega12
June 29th, 2007, 03:44 PM
yeah, it killed me when ash lost against Roark and Paul won, considering that he championed the orange league and the battle frontier, and then some new chump comes through and makes ash look like a loser, very bad choices on the creators part, i think if they wanted a rival this early, it should've been another experienced trainer thats been through what at least half of what ash has been though

Apathetic_Yen
June 29th, 2007, 05:25 PM
Yah it really annoys me how Ash's Pikachu, beats a Dragonite (with a little help but still, beats a Dragonite), helps Ash get through at least 20 gym battles and the battle frontier, beats a friggin Regice (that was stupid but hey, it's the creator's idea, idiots), and yet, ties with an Elekid. Elekid, a baby pokemon with nowhere near as much expierence as Pikachu and is being trained by a newbie trainer. WTF

Nekonron
June 29th, 2007, 08:38 PM
I actually just thought of something, for all we know Paul isn't a newbie. (Though I missed a couple eps so ignore this if I'm wrong) He seems a bit stronger than that, he may have started in Johto or Hoenn around the time Ash did. After all, we never actually saw him getting a Chimchar from Rowan.

Judging from his attitude, I highly doubt it. He might have Elekid for quite a while, but I think he would have let Elekid evolve if it could. He does want the strongest possible Pokemon after all, and since Elekid hasn't evolved...

Chibaymega12
June 30th, 2007, 08:06 AM
yeah, i've expressed this before, i dont think that Chimchar is his starter

No one has said clearly enough so that we KNOW that Paul is a starting trainer. It says so on serebii, but he doesn't act remotely like a ten year old, if he was ten, he'd be just as clueless as dawn is now I think he's around Ash's age and caught Elekid before he went to sinnoh, what became of his other pokemon, i havn't a clue, and i don't know why, seeing as he wants the strongest pokemon, he didn't bring them with him.

Hopefully the creators will make an episode explaning Paul, his attitude, and his life before sinnoh

Drk Dragonite
July 3rd, 2007, 01:46 PM
Remember when on the first episode when Dawn saw that chimchar from the professor getting carried away by a starraptor? Well when wwe first saw Paul he was fighting a flock of starly so probably he ended up cathing Chimchar which that staraptor might have dropped. It's not clear where Chimchar is from.

Naito
July 3rd, 2007, 02:44 PM
Paul definetely annoys me, but then again, this season doesn't seem to really make any sense XD. Pikachu should've been strong enough to at least defeat Elekid at that point. It was able to defeat just about anything. Wounded legendary pokemon, defeated a freaking ONIX (Seriously, WTF). Plus it helped him through what seems at least 3/4 of all gyms. I can't wait til Paul get's his ass kicked by Ash (either when Ash's non-Sinnoh pokemon get back [Boy oh boy, Paul will be surprised when he sees Charizard and Sceptile in a double battle], or when Pikachu and the Sinnoh pokemon get strong again).

Ariolander
July 3rd, 2007, 04:14 PM
Yea seriously that battle was a great injustice. Pikachu's power level is OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAND for Christ's sake.
It is explicitly shown that there is something 'unique' about Ash's Pikachu which sets it apart from others of its kind; Team Rocket's Meowth says early in the first series that the strength of Ash's Pikachu exceeded that of its evolutionary power. For this reason, Team Rocket's attempts to capture Pikachu become a significant theme throughout much of the first series.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikachu
I mean why the hell would Team Rocket spend years trying to capture just an ordinary Pikachu? If I am not mistaken Trainer Red's Pikachu when you face him in game has naturally haxored stats putting his Pikachu on legendary/uber level.

Meh that was a pathetic battle. The weaksauce/braindead/utter-n00b Ash annoyed me more than Paul did.

Rebellious Treecko
July 5th, 2007, 11:45 AM
Paul's a pretty determend person, even if he's a begginer.
He's tough, he's mean, he's the exact opposite of Ash.
Ash really needed a rival like this in the series, and I guess he found one.

EDIT: Achamo, I agree with you on that part. Paul dosen't know what he's up aganst. ;)

Weatherman, Kiyoshi
July 5th, 2007, 12:41 PM
you know what, I hate paul.

He comes in calling ash is hopeless, even when ash surpasses his ranks as a trainer in MANY WAYS.

If I were ash, I would shove my badges in his face and say "NOW WHOS PATHETIC?!"

Now, I'm just waiting for Paul to be run over, eatin by zombies, killed in a plane crash, or any horrible way kenny dies in the South Park series and not come back to life like kenny does.

Apathetic_Yen
July 5th, 2007, 05:43 PM
Yea seriously that battle was a great injustice. Pikachu's power level is OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAND for Christ's sake.

I mean why the hell would Team Rocket spend years trying to capture just an ordinary Pikachu? If I am not mistaken Trainer Red's Pikachu when you face him in game has naturally haxored stats putting his Pikachu on legendary/uber level.

Meh that was a pathetic battle. The weaksauce/braindead/utter-n00b Ash annoyed me more than Paul did.

Red's pikachu in Gold/Silver sucked so bad, why? Because it's a pikachu!! GAH that thing sucks soooo bad unless you evolve it. That's why Ash's pikachu sucks, it may be high in level but has mediocre stats. Course, the way the anime works, nothing from the game, in other words its origin, apply which is why I prefer the manga and yet I still love watching Ash get his butt whooped by people he should be wasting.

Waffle-San
July 5th, 2007, 06:18 PM
I don't know whats up, what bothers me more is the overal losing streak. He ties Paul, looses to Rourk, looses to Gardena, with his resime he should be walking all over the early "challenges."
I can't wait for when he decides to try and kicks Paul and Gary one after the other in somewhere like the Sinnoh league championship. i think its about time Ash at least had top 3 finish, second maybe.

Inugami
July 5th, 2007, 06:26 PM
If I was Ash and I was called "pathetic" I would RUSH to the Pokemon center and to the PC telephone thingy, and GET ALL MY STRONGEST POKEMON! Call Charizard!

and then when Paul shows up, He Could Kick his "BUTT" Home.

I still don't see why Ash is offended. He topped in, how many leagues? About 4! How about Paul? Let's see uh.. NONE!

That's what I think.

Shinji_
July 6th, 2007, 08:25 AM
Paul Rocks...Best rival yet his attitute is gracious..I think im going to try and make a siggy STARING paul:P

MasterWGS
July 6th, 2007, 09:01 AM
I'm curious...

Has it been clearly stated that Paul is a beginner? How do we know for sure Paul hasn't been through other leagues on his own?

I can't recall Paul saying he was just starting his journey, and he looks older than ten years old...

I could very easily be wrong, so correct me if I am, but I wouldn't be suprised if Paul is actually a well-versed trainer.

Apathetic_Yen
July 11th, 2007, 08:35 PM
Nobody knows what age they are in the anime. May is supposed to be ten when she starts out and it's said that Ash was the same age at that time. Huh? It took him a year to get all eight badges in the indigo league. The anime screws up alot so much I can't stand it.

Charizard_Man
July 11th, 2007, 09:23 PM
Well it states that it took him one year to get to the eight badge, and in the epsidoe when Ash challenges Brandon with his first four pokemon he says, "Alot has happened over the YEARS." (PLURAL)

ChibiGingi
July 11th, 2007, 09:27 PM
Remember when on the first episode when Dawn saw that chimchar from the professor getting carried away by a starraptor? Well when wwe first saw Paul he was fighting a flock of starly so probably he ended up cathing Chimchar which that staraptor might have dropped. It's not clear where Chimchar is from.

That's not the same Chimchar, I believe. That Chimchar was safely escorted back to the lab, as it was present when Dawn was making her choice (for some dumb reason, the trouble maker thought she was going to pick him, but was flustered when Dawn went for the most obvious of choices).

But yeah, you're right. Paul's Chimchar's origins are unknown to this point.

PokeWatch
July 13th, 2007, 09:07 PM
Im not sure if this is coincendince ore not but paul looks a lot like brandon from the battle pyramid

Hydross
July 14th, 2007, 09:17 AM
Im not sure if this is coincendince ore not but paul looks a lot like brandon from the battle pyramid

maybe they use the same model? only different colors..

btw, i am 100% sure that ash will reach top4 in the sinnoh leauge and beat paul on the way. i just hope that he calls in charizard as he did in johto so he can WTFPWN everyone :D

Shinji_
July 14th, 2007, 10:03 AM
Pauls chimchar isnt from prof.Rowan becuase remember in the first episode that paul was eye to eye with ash Paul is like "From the looks of things you must be prof.Rowan" Which means he never went to the lab to get a pokemon from him he could of just caught it like for some reason starters are just flying around free in the anime so you never know.

Chibaymega12
July 14th, 2007, 11:14 AM
about the whole ten year old things for all the characters: It's stated already that Dawn is ten, but how? I'VE NEVER MET A TEN YEAR OLD WITH AS MUCH CHEST AS THE CREATORS GAVE MAY AND DAWN!!!!
There's no way that Paul is 10, or a beggining trainer, and i'd happilly sew the freakin pants of the pokemon company for letting ash get his ass kicked by a newby if the decide to sell the "He's a new trainer" crap to us!!!!!!!!!

MasterWGS
July 16th, 2007, 08:29 AM
Thus my point. Everyone is going on and on about Ash being beaten by a n00b. Problem is, I don't think they've ever stated him being a new trainer. I'm fairly sure he is well experienced, and knows what he's doing. He's probably been training as long (if not longer by the looks of it) as Ash.

NocturnLeader
July 16th, 2007, 09:13 AM
May and Dawn, Girls devolope younger than boys.

Paul - 13 yrs old (I think).
Ash - 14 yrs old (by now). ~ By ten year logic he is 20 LOL!
Brock - 16/17 yrs old.

Chibaymega12
July 20th, 2007, 06:55 AM
I think brock is in his mid twenties

And where the Hell did Paul get a torterra?????

Crystal Clair
July 20th, 2007, 12:35 PM
And where the Hell did Paul get a torterra?????It's his STARTER!!!!
Shinji is not a new trainer, he's been traveling just about as long as Ash
Sorry, all these "ZOMG Shinji iS A nEW Guy" without proof makes me mad.

Chibaymega12
July 20th, 2007, 12:51 PM
ooooooooooooooh, so he's just trying to get other strong pokemon, taht clears evrything up, i knew he wasn't a starting trainer

Akio123
July 20th, 2007, 12:58 PM
Shinji looks OLDER than Ash. There is no way he could have been ten. I mean really no ten year old is that bitter.

Lie Ren
July 20th, 2007, 04:11 PM
Ugh.
Thats what I've never understood about Ash..
He starts over and lets all his really strong Pokemon go back to Oak's lab..
Thats why he lost to Shinji, it's not a lack of skill.
Naetoru probably wasn't even at level 10 when he fought with Shinji.

If Ash had kept his pervious Pokemon he would've wiped the floor with Shinji's little Hitokage.. -dislikes that monkey..thing- ><;

What ticks me off even more is the fact that Shinji is basically a begining trainer, whose never traveled before, the same as Hikari.
So what right does he have to talk down Ash, whose gotten all the badges from over 3 other regions?
If Shinji knew that.. I'd think he'd have more respect for him.

Akio123
July 20th, 2007, 05:35 PM
Uh Drew, yeah Shinji has. It was revealed this week in fact he has traveled as much as Ash. Hence his Torterra(His actual Starter) and his Weavile etc.

Apathetic_Yen
July 20th, 2007, 10:11 PM
his elekid was new though and it still tied with Pikachu. wtf

Chibaymega12
July 31st, 2007, 02:00 PM
yeah, all of Paul's battles, even the ones where he doesn't battle ash, piss me off, it makes ash looks like a beggining trainer with no clue

Random
July 31st, 2007, 02:14 PM
yeah, all of Paul's battles, even the ones where he doesn't battle ash, piss me off, it makes ash looks like a beggining trainer with no clue

Well, yeah i agree with you, but Ash has this thing where every region he goes, he has to start over with pikachu, and leave his pokemon back home, and for some reason ash's pikachu always keeps getting power down, i mean he should at least over lv80's, but no, its like every region, it goes back down to 20's its ridiculous, pikachu should own, everyone. If he kept his pokemon including charizard, sceptile, and any of his other ubers, he could probably have all eight badges in sinnoh with in the first 2 mouths of the series, and show it up in front of paul's face.

Chibaymega12
July 31st, 2007, 02:16 PM
Yeah, if ash had done half of the training with pikachu in the Johto and Kanto season's as he did with any of his other pokemon, pikachu would be the only pokemon he'd need, and would probably be able to destroy the world!

Random
July 31st, 2007, 03:15 PM
Yeah, if ash had done half of the training with pikachu in the Johto and Kanto season's as he did with any of his other pokemon, pikachu would be the only pokemon he'd need, and would probably be able to destroy the world!

Heck even after all the trouble though Hoenn, Battle Frontier, and now Sinnoh, pikachu should be at lv.96

Chibaymega12
July 31st, 2007, 03:17 PM
actually, i think taht he's above taht, in one of the episodes, one of the team rocket groups(dont think it was J and J) did a level test on it and it read over 9000, think it was in Johto or Kanto

Kid nino
July 31st, 2007, 03:40 PM
Guys lets get over this Ash is just some kid who always gets so close to becoming a pokemon master yet somehow always manages to ruin it. I will admit that I am like Ash in some ways. Like having friends and being kind. :P But I am mostly like Paul not rude though. Paul is probably going to be in the pokemon leauge fight ash and like beat him and then he loses the next round. o.o like in Johoto and Kanto. Dont remember if that happened in hoen. Anyways Its true Paul is an expert trainer (Like me) and he is like an uber dude super training his pokemon with no end in sight (Like how I legittly beat Dimond in 2 days.)

Random
July 31st, 2007, 03:45 PM
Well you'll never know what the directors might do Paul, they might do even the "unthinkable." And that could mean many things.

SBaby
August 1st, 2007, 08:35 AM
I gotta admit, I fell into the 'He's New' trap also and immediately assumed he's a new Trainer. I just love the fact that Ash finally has a Rival that's actually a prick and not just a wannabe Seifer.

Still, it's ruined because Cynthia beats him before Ash does. The worst thing you can do in an ongoing series is have someone else beat the hero's Rival before he does. Because it defeats the purpose of having a Rival and renders the hero's upcoming victory against him meaningless.

Chibaymega12
August 1st, 2007, 09:27 AM
i didn't auto matically think he was a new trainer, but once i read serebii's crap about"he's a starting trainer" i was kinda pulled to that side

Death Rogers
August 1st, 2007, 09:48 AM
Ash should be able to beat Paul. Pikachu has to be at least level 80 by now. And Chimchar isn't even very strong. It's best move is flame wheel for God's sakes.

SBaby
August 1st, 2007, 10:41 PM
i didn't auto matically think he was a new trainer, but once i read serebii's crap about"he's a starting trainer" i was kinda pulled to that side

What's weird is that serebii is usually right about it, or they at least put a note saying it isn't confirmed. But I didn't see one on there. Guess they were taken by surprise too.

Chibaymega12
August 2nd, 2007, 07:03 AM
yeah, I think the creators need to actulaly conferm that at the beggining, rather than let fans ponder on something like that

Rewind
August 2nd, 2007, 08:22 AM
ash has waay more experiance then paul. that's what I think

Chibaymega12
August 2nd, 2007, 08:50 AM
i don't think so, maybe a little more, but not much more

Death Rogers
August 2nd, 2007, 03:06 PM
According to Serebii, Paul has competed in the Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn Leagues with his Torterra. I knew he couldn't be a new trainer.

TheGreatMothim
August 2nd, 2007, 03:11 PM
So maybe it went like this for Paul

He got his first Pokemon in Hoenn when Ash was in Kanto

He then went to Kanto as Ash went to Johto

Then he Finally went to Johto as Ash went to Hoenn.

Now He is back in his original Place where he got his Turtwig!

Death Rogers
August 2nd, 2007, 03:13 PM
No, it also says Paul is from Veilstone and got his starter in Sandgem.

Chibaymega12
August 2nd, 2007, 05:24 PM
well, serebii also said that Paul was a beggining trainer too, but they were way wrong

Death Rogers
August 2nd, 2007, 06:52 PM
How many beginning trainers do you know have a Torterra?

Random
August 4th, 2007, 11:31 PM
How many beginning trainers do you know have a Torterra?

From what i know hes already been through Kanto and Johto, but i know the starters dont make any sense.

DarthRino
August 5th, 2007, 10:35 AM
Cynthia's the champion there's no way she could be ash's rival.

Chibaymega12
August 5th, 2007, 12:05 PM
@ shuri: He Picked up his starter in sinnoh then headed for one of the other regions, maybe it was because the championships had begun when he turned ten, so he decided to head off to another region so he could compete quicker and not have to wait

@ Rino: Where did that come from??

Random
August 5th, 2007, 01:16 PM
@ shuri: He Picked up his starter in sinnoh then headed for one of the other regions, maybe it was because the championships had begun when he turned ten, so he decided to head off to another region so he could compete quicker and not have to wait.

Well that explains the Torterra mystery. I couldnt think he wouldve got it from a different region.

Chibaymega12
August 5th, 2007, 01:20 PM
yeah, if it was so, id be lik WTF! THE ANIME IS CHANGING EVERYTHING