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~Misty~
July 3rd, 2007, 08:50 AM
It seems Nintendo doesn't want n00bs not raising their own Pokemon and using their Ubers. So NO MORE UBERS allowed in Wi-Fi!

not yet 100% confirmed but Nintendo seems to have put it into action, Proof: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml

Check here, and Serebii said no more Ubers.

I Personally think all the little kids will whine and complain, but it will be better for us who enjoy serious battles, without people who think they are good just 'cause of Ubers.

A True trainer raises non Uber Pokemon and battles them for fun, mostly to win, but I battle for fun, no matter if I win or lose.

You can say your reactions here, but for me...

GOOD RIDDANCE!

sims796
July 3rd, 2007, 09:06 AM
Thanks for that important update. I wouldn't say that this is a good thing, because some people would like to use, um, 'ubers', and we shouldn't say they can't, but at the same time, I agree with you. I spent a fair amount of time working on my team, just to get beat by a punk using Mewtwo? Not gonna happen. Still, their should be a place specifically for uber players.

If they get mad that they can't use their ubers in real competitive standard play, too bad. I for one do not wan't to play in some game were I never win cause someone wants to use Shaymin.

.Aero
July 3rd, 2007, 09:14 AM
I am mostly happy about this, but there's a part of me that wants to crush the little kids using sucky non-trained ubers. I agree with sims about a specific uber section. That would be a good idea, and if you want to check how good ur team is, you could use non-ubers there.

Zyph
July 3rd, 2007, 09:17 AM
*Wait's for Ichida to start dancing.*

Yup, I'm SOOO glad they're doing this. My only on-line losses are from teams of ubers, and now that that's been eliminated.... muahahahaha!

Forest Grovyle
July 3rd, 2007, 09:58 AM
I personally think this is great and I hope it's kept that way. :D I can't stand ubers. I hope this encourages more original teams. I do think they should perhaps have an option for "legendary battles" though, for those that like them...

--FG

sims796
July 3rd, 2007, 10:46 AM
True. Its not up to us to tell people how to enjoy games.

AbareMax
July 3rd, 2007, 10:56 AM
I'm surprised it took Nintendo even this long to take action with it. Although, absolutely NO legendaries is a tad harsh. Maybe limiting it to 1 or 2, but no more than that.

In the long run, I suppose it will make PBR more enjoyable. I wouldn't know though, I have yet to play it.

AbareMax

AztecSunshine
July 3rd, 2007, 10:57 AM
yaay to me i am geting pbr tomoro i hope i and i am raisng a tea of non uppers and i don't want my yanmga to lose to those kids ice beaming kyogre or lugia

Ichikool
July 3rd, 2007, 10:58 AM
It's kind of a coincidence, my brother just got owned by stupid some kid with ubers on wifi lastnight. He'll be happy for this... XD

AztecSunshine
July 3rd, 2007, 11:05 AM
when do you think they are going to add this? i hope they do soon so i can play with normol losing to ev traind not uppers

Laa
July 3rd, 2007, 11:37 AM
And that screws my team...

Shiraishi
July 3rd, 2007, 12:02 PM
And that screws my team...

You happen to be using the best ubers in the game..(exlcuding arceus) Not exactly fair is it? I agree that there should be a section for ubers, I used to use weather combos with my groudon XD Im thinking of a groudon,yanmega(that knows solarbeam) combo o.o

Weatherman, Kiyoshi
July 3rd, 2007, 12:04 PM
Sweet. UBER poke'mon always pwn the poke'mon that were raised from like Lv.2 to Lv.74. Yes... wait till my friend hears this *Evil laugh*

Pogiforce-14
July 3rd, 2007, 12:13 PM
Although I most certainly understand the anti-legendary sentiment, I can't help but wonder about how such a decisions would make legendaries extremely unpopular. what's the point in catching and raising it if you can only show it off locally?

Laa
July 3rd, 2007, 12:16 PM
You happen to be using the best ubers in the game..(exlcuding arceus) Not exactly fair is it? I agree that there should be a section for ubers, I used to use weather combos with my groudon XD Im thinking of a groudon,yanmega(that knows solarbeam) combo o.o

I use kyogre/ pikachu combo... When I play doubles it is my pikachu that kills everything. Everyone goes for kyogre who is a special tank, but in the end, my pikachus thunder is what kills everything.

sims796
July 3rd, 2007, 12:21 PM
Thats true, but then people whose team consist exclusivly with legendaries/ubers. Then they have the nerve to gloat about how unbeatable they are. It ruins the game for everyone else. It also ruins it for people who plays with ubers, maybe one in a team.

Pogiforce-14
July 3rd, 2007, 12:42 PM
Which is why i support a seperate area where ubers are banned, but still have an area where they are allowed.

Barboach
July 3rd, 2007, 01:17 PM
I like this idea, but I have Azelf in my team and he really isn't qualified as a "Uber". I think he's more in the OU section really.

Naito
July 3rd, 2007, 01:44 PM
Meh, nice to know that there's no risk of ending up battling a team of Arceus, Palkia, Kyogre, Mewtwo, Latios (holding Soul Dew), and Rayquaza. Still, at least we can use legendaries to battle with our friends, or at least people we have the friend codes of. I don't really care about ubers or not, since my Dragonite seems to kill anything except some steel types in one or two hits once I use Dragon Dance and Wing Attack/Dragon Rush.

AztecSunshine
July 3rd, 2007, 01:52 PM
serebii just updated the page telling that nintendo did not bann legenderies but there is a glitch that bann them from batteling you i think check the page agin to see

Laa
July 3rd, 2007, 03:16 PM
I guess I'm just going to have to split my team then...I can replace pika and charizard with dialga and lugia and then Finish off the other party I was going for, which had no other ubers in it...

By the way is mew considered an uber?

Shiraishi
July 3rd, 2007, 03:43 PM
According to PC: No According to nintendo..: Yes.

Captain Arcane
July 3rd, 2007, 04:00 PM
Well, it does teach those newbs a big lesson, but its not far to people like me, who have trained legendaries and ubers very hard. Like I have my Kyogre and Groudon EV trained, and at level one hundred, all legetly. Why should hard-core players like me have to pay the price of these newbs. Whats the point of taking away these newbs ubers if they don't even know how to use them correctly, but us hard-core trainers get the full blunt of it. Its just not fair, I swear, newbs are like little siblings, they ruin everything...

peachesncream
July 3rd, 2007, 04:09 PM
I think it is stupid, My team consists of one legendary pokemon, I think that should be allowed, I guess I will just have to find some other pokemon to train :-/

sims796
July 3rd, 2007, 04:11 PM
Well, it does teach those newbs a big lesson, but its not far to people like me, who have trained legendaries and ubers very hard. Like I have my Kyogre and Groudon EV trained, and at level one hundred, all legetly. Why should hard-core players like me have to pay the price of these newbs. Whats the point of taking away these newbs ubers if they don't even know how to use them correctly, but us hard-core trainers get the full blunt of it. Its just not fair, I swear, newbs are like little siblings, they ruin everything...


Not entirely. If that is the case, then we all have to use ubers just to even out the game. I don't like to use ubers, but now I have to? I trained my Torterra from the start, but I can't use him cause you have a Mew? Like bringing a Gun to a fist fight. It makes you overpowered, shutting out maybe 480 other pokemon.

If you like them so much, then, as I , and all others on this thread said, there should be an arena specifically for uber users.

Also, as I stated I don't use ubers. That doesn't make me a newb. But I was a bit confused with what you wrote, so forgive me if I misunderstood you, and wrote something you didn't mean....


It is ashame for people who use only one or two ubers responsibly, but, like Captian said, newbs using ubers irresponibly (if he meant that) ruined it for you guys.. Sorry. With great power comes great responsibility, (I heard that somewhere, don't remember) adn some people used ubers the wrong way, like I posted before. Now if you excuse me, I feel like watching something action-ee...

peachesncream
July 3rd, 2007, 04:20 PM
Not entirely. If that is the case, then we all have to use ubers just to even out the game. I don't like to use ubers, but now I have to? I trained my Torterra from the start, but I can't use him cause you have a Mew? Like bringing a Gun to a fist fight. It makes you overpowered, shutting out maybe 480 other pokemon.

If you like them so much, then, as I , and all others on this thread said, there should be an arena specifically for uber users.

Also, as I stated I don't use ubers. That doesn't make me a newb. But I was a bit confused with what you wrote, so forgive me if I misunderstood you, and wrote something you didn't mean....

I don't really think a mew is any stronger than another pokemon that is trained well, I'm sure that your torterra could beat my mew because I'm not the best trainer myself :-/

The only reason I even have a mew is because I'm trying to rebuild my blue version team. I'm not using an "uber" because it is super strong, I'm mainly just using it because I miss the good ol' days of pokemon blue/red/yellow

I'm sure some of the other pokemon I have chosen for my team aren't that strong, I'm not trying to create a team of "uber" pokemon, just a team of pokemon I like a lot.

If they were to change the rules I wouldn't go into a rampage, I can find another 1st generation pokemon to fill the place of mew, maybe a dragonite, butterfree, or pidgeot.

sims796
July 3rd, 2007, 04:25 PM
No, not you. I only used Mew as a cheap little excuse. Mew was the first legendary I could think of. This is what I mean, although Mew is not an uber, you wouldn't be able to use him cause of people using ubers like crazy. Then saying that they are the best while using ubers.

peachesncream
July 3rd, 2007, 04:27 PM
No, not you. I only used Mew as a cheap little excuse. Mew was the first legendary I could think of. This is what I mean, although Mew is not an uber, you wouldn't be able to use him cause of people using ubers like crazy. Then saying that they are the best while using ubers.

o, ok, lol, yea, I didn't think Mew was considered an uber

sims796
July 3rd, 2007, 04:29 PM
o, ok, lol, yea, I didn't think Mew was considered an uber

Not to get off-topic, but I think I read somewhere that it is. It's base stats are all 100, and he learns EVERY MOVE AVALIBLE. That would make Mew an uber. But I don't remember.

peachesncream
July 3rd, 2007, 05:15 PM
Not to get off-topic, but I think I read somewhere that it is. It's base stats are all 100, and he learns EVERY MOVE AVALIBLE. That would make Mew an uber. But I don't remember.

o... well either way, it doesnt really matter, I can always train a different pokemon, ok back to the topic :-)

Captain Arcane
July 3rd, 2007, 05:31 PM
Not entirely. If that is the case, then we all have to use ubers just to even out the game. I don't like to use ubers, but now I have to? I trained my Torterra from the start, but I can't use him cause you have a Mew? Like bringing a Gun to a fist fight. It makes you overpowered, shutting out maybe 480 other pokemon.

If you like them so much, then, as I , and all others on this thread said, there should be an arena specifically for uber users.

Also, as I stated I don't use ubers. That doesn't make me a newb. But I was a bit confused with what you wrote, so forgive me if I misunderstood you, and wrote something you didn't mean....


It is ashame for people who use only one or two ubers responsibly, but, like Captian said, newbs using ubers irresponibly (if he meant that) ruined it for you guys.. Sorry. With great power comes great responsibility, (I heard that somewhere, don't remember) adn some people used ubers the wrong way, like I posted before. Now if you excuse me, I feel like watching something action-ee...

Well, just because someone may use ubers or legendaries, doesn't mak them newbs. But yes, newbs are using ubers iresposibly, and were are the ones who are gonna pay for it, not them.

sims796
July 3rd, 2007, 05:36 PM
I wasn't saying you was a newb. I thought you were saying those who don't use ubers are newbs. I was mistaken, my bad.

MetalMario
July 3rd, 2007, 06:14 PM
Aww, I wanted to flaunt my hard-earned, EVed, shiny Dialga. :(

As has been said, ubers ought to be tiered, not just outright banned. Yes, ubers make the other 90% of Pokémon obsolete, keeping them away from online play, but banning ubers keeps them away from online play, trivially. Every Pokémon deserves a chance in the lime light, brokenly overpowered or otherwise. Serious competitive battlers can play in the Uber Metagame, too. Tiering them keeps them away from overused and "favourites" (usually UU) teams.

Pogiforce-14
July 3rd, 2007, 08:07 PM
So it seems what started out as rumors is now truth. I was forced to remove Groudon from my battle pass before I could use it in Wifi, and no one I played tonight was using ubers. Though one person did have a Cresselia and a Mesprit, so apparently not all legendaries are banned. and it had an effect on my win loss ratio. while the previous night when ubers were legal, I wnet 2-5. tonight I went 5-5, so my win loss ratio is more even.

Ichida
July 3rd, 2007, 09:16 PM
Yes! It's finally happened! Now the n00bs will be forced to try and raise an actual competition battle team! Let purification sweep the land! :P

Too bad though, I was having fun OHKOing random kids' Dialgas. :P

Pogiforce-14
July 3rd, 2007, 09:17 PM
They edited their report though. seems the banning of legendaries was only a glitch in the system, which they intend on fixing.

Captain Arcane
July 3rd, 2007, 09:18 PM
I wasn't saying you was a newb. I thought you were saying those who don't use ubers are newbs. I was mistaken, my bad.

Oh, O__O, no no no no,

You misunderstood, I wasn't saying that you called me one, I just said it.

^__^

Ichida
July 3rd, 2007, 09:19 PM
They edited their report though. seems the banning of legendaries was only a glitch in the system, which they intend on fixing.


T~T Argh, damn Nintendo always has to stick up for the children. They're not doing them any good in the long run by letting them use legendaries competitively.

RSL
July 4th, 2007, 08:55 AM
Am I the only one who does not think Wobbuffet is an 00ber? It's total stats aren't even HALF of, say, Groudon. He has a pre-evo, and also is in the Great Ball class (in Challenge Cup). What is it, the moveset of Encore, Counter, Mirror Coat, & Destiny Bond? You know THOUSANDS of others can have the same moves. Besides, a Houndoom w/ Dark Pulse could kill it in one shot.

peachesncream
July 4th, 2007, 08:58 AM
so... are legends banned in battle or not?

~Misty~
July 4th, 2007, 09:01 AM
Well,

it seems they aren't if you reset your battle pass because it was a glitch, but It seems Nintendo may side with some others so we're not quite sure...

The Next Few Weeks will tell...

peachesncream
July 4th, 2007, 09:03 AM
Well,

it seems they aren't if you reset your battle pass because it was a glitch, but It seems Nintendo may side with some others so we're not quite sure...

The Next Few Weeks will tell...

o, ok, well I guess this thread will keep me updated

AztecSunshine
July 4th, 2007, 09:11 AM
i think the legnedery banned is a good thing this well force more ppl in to going to the ev thing and i am a going to rise a ev team with no legends and i well be happy to some day when i get pbr to go battle ppl like Ichida that looks like a great trainer if all ppl where as good as some ppl who traind there pokemon with evs and no legends those well only desarve to enter the wi fi random battles

<Nico>
July 4th, 2007, 09:42 AM
Am I the only one who does not think Wobbuffet is an 00ber? It's total stats aren't even HALF of, say, Groudon. He has a pre-evo, and also is in the Great Ball class (in Challenge Cup). What is it, the moveset of Encore, Counter, Mirror Coat, & Destiny Bond? You know THOUSANDS of others can have the same moves. Besides, a Houndoom w/ Dark Pulse could kill it in one shot.

yea but Wobbufet vs Wobbufet could end up in a stall and never end.. that's the point.. It's not that he's uber, he's just banned..

And second of all Serebbi.net revelaed that you CAN play on wi fi with leggendaries now, just reset your batlle pass and it will work..

AztecSunshine
July 4th, 2007, 10:02 AM
why? why did they have to fix this? it was the first time that i am riseing a team and i don't want my yane let this go on for mega and electvire and crawduant to lose to those kids uppers nintendo should made a place to non legends only

Ichida
July 4th, 2007, 12:07 PM
Am I the only one who does not think Wobbuffet is an 00ber? It's total stats aren't even HALF of, say, Groudon. He has a pre-evo, and also is in the Great Ball class (in Challenge Cup). What is it, the moveset of Encore, Counter, Mirror Coat, & Destiny Bond? You know THOUSANDS of others can have the same moves. Besides, a Houndoom w/ Dark Pulse could kill it in one shot.

It's only classified as an uber because if you can predict correctly with it, it could probably OHKO anything.

mdarkcecil
July 7th, 2007, 01:07 AM
By "ubers" does it include pokemon with a base stat total of over 600(Dragonite, Salamance, Tyranitar)?

mdarkcecil
July 7th, 2007, 01:13 AM
Am I the only one who does not think Wobbuffet is an 00ber? It's total stats aren't even HALF of, say, Groudon. He has a pre-evo, and also is in the Great Ball class (in Challenge Cup). What is it, the moveset of Encore, Counter, Mirror Coat, & Destiny Bond? You know THOUSANDS of others can have the same moves. Besides, a Houndoom w/ Dark Pulse could kill it in one shot.

There's an easy way to kill Wobuffet, use toxic or will-o-wisp, and use status inflicting attacks over and over. Confusing it works too.

Pogiforce-14
July 7th, 2007, 05:00 AM
This is true, though with the meta changes seen in DP, most players seem to go for the sweep instead of waisting time on status inflicting moves. not unless it's hypnosis, so they can use Dream Eater and disable their opponent with the sleep condition.

sims796
July 7th, 2007, 06:38 AM
There's an easy way to kill Wobuffet, use toxic or will-o-wisp, and use status inflicting attacks over and over. Confusing it works too.

Won't Safeguard cancel that out? Or just prevent it? And sometimes, no, many times, people runs into Wobbuffet without having a status move or Dream Eater. Hence way they don't have in game trainers with Wobbuffets.

Lucario 2.0
July 7th, 2007, 07:00 AM
but still,my mew is probably my fave,and its not fare that i cant use my cutie!

mdarkcecil
July 7th, 2007, 10:12 AM
Won't Safeguard cancel that out? Or just prevent it? And sometimes, no, many times, people runs into Wobbuffet without having a status move or Dream Eater. Hence way they don't have in game trainers with Wobbuffets.
Read what I quote first. In the move list it said nothing about safegaurd. I know Wobuffet has it though

StealthDragon
July 7th, 2007, 01:10 PM
This really sucks ive had about 5 battles and they had aleast 3-6 ubers on the teams! I lost only 1 battle though..and they all got fustrated and left the game early..why must these players keep using such cheap and awful ways of winning? :/

mdarkcecil
July 8th, 2007, 03:13 AM
Not to get off-topic, but I think I read somewhere that it is. It's base stats are all 100, and he learns EVERY MOVE AVALIBLE. That would make Mew an uber. But I don't remember.
What makes a pokemon "uber" is if it's base stat total is 600 or higher, Mew has a base stat total of 600. in short Mew=uber.

Laa
July 8th, 2007, 09:18 AM
I switched to a non uber team and I must say... I'm still owning everything I run into. Funny thing is my ubber team and my non-uber team either derstroy everything or don't even deal any damage... I have only had a few long battles :D

Pogiforce-14
July 8th, 2007, 01:01 PM
I love those long, drawn out ones that get real close. that's a REAL battle right there.

fearow23
July 9th, 2007, 09:26 PM
Thanks for that important update. I wouldn't say that this is a good thing, because some people would like to use, um, 'ubers', and we shouldn't say they can't, but at the same time, I agree with you. I spent a fair amount of time working on my team, just to get beat by a punk using Mewtwo? Not gonna happen. Still, their should be a place specifically for uber players.

If they get mad that they can't use their ubers in real competitive standard play, too bad. I for one do not wan't to play in some game were I never win cause someone wants to use Shaymin.

I agree but when that Mewtwo comes, my Staraptor takes that sucka down in two hits baby! I say that teams that are trained well can easily take down most Uber team. Always happens with me.