PDA

View Full Version : Pokemon: One of the worst cartoons?


Rad_Riardos
July 7th, 2007, 05:30 AM
http://tv.msn.com/new-on-dvd/feature-article/?news=267913&GT1=10189

This morning when I turned on my computer, opened up Internet Explorer, and checked my homepage. I saw little Pikachu beside a topic title as 'TV's Worst Cartoons.' So I decided to peak my head in and look around. Pokemon is now stated as one of the worst because of a few things. I used to hate Pokemon, but now I only watch the active series and the movies. Normally, it's only the battling but it's just the two things stated.

What do you think about this article?

Jorah
July 7th, 2007, 05:50 AM
I agree when people say that Pokemon doesn't have much of a plot, but it doesn't have NO plot. The plot is...uhm, well they're not wandering around aimlessly, they know where they're going. They travel around the region so Ash can collect the badges to enter the league and become a Pokemon master, whatever that is. Its a rather loose plot, but a plot all the same.
"Darwinist premise" hmm?

Well I can definitatly agree that it doesn't have a complex plot most of the time. But I like it that way, its not supposed to be a murder mystery series or anything.

Pokemon has been going for 10 years, has about 500 episodes and still has good ratings. They must be doing something right.

Nekonron
July 7th, 2007, 06:25 AM
Pokemon has been going for 10 years, has about 500 episodes and still has good ratings. They must be doing something right.

Maybe we've all been a victim of some Psychic or Ghost moves. I still like it after 10 years of repetitive plots :D

Rebellious Treecko
July 7th, 2007, 07:00 AM
In Japan it's called a cartoon, but here...It's called anime. :P
I'm kind of tired of immature people who think that the show's "kiddy", or "noobish". They don't understand how popular it is.

diamondpearl876
July 7th, 2007, 07:07 AM
In Japan it's called a cartoon, but here...It's called anime. :P
I'm kind of tired of immature people who think that the show's "kiddy", or "noobish". They don't understand how popular it is.

Hmm? It may be popular, but it doesn't mean it's good.

I've seen many people say that the anime isn't that great anymore.

Charaxes
July 7th, 2007, 09:07 AM
How could he hate Jem?! Half the list, I agree, the other half, I don't. Pokemon has its faults, yes, but the quality has improved in the past few years. No dispute there. But once again, just another elite lording over his intellect.

And hating Captain Planet? Have you no shame, sir?

Spinor
July 7th, 2007, 12:10 PM
They are all more retarded than my brother and he was actually named idiot of the millenium by the mayor. Let's meke feedback to them and tell them how they zuck with a capital Z

Jorah
July 7th, 2007, 12:42 PM
Just been reading the same thread on Bulbagarden and have just noticed this

"Pokémon"

"Pokémon" had no story, only a Darwinist premise: Ash Ketchum, a young man and aspiring "Pokémon master," travels around with his pet Pikachu, advancing levels as he goes. Ash has a bunch of young friends, and they wander aimlessly, looking for adventure. As a genre, anime cartoons are held in high regard -- for character development, mature themes, complex plots and either smooth animation or really scenic backgrounds. "Pokémon" had none of these qualities. And wasn't not alone: The "Super Mario Bros." and "Pac-Man" cartoons also fell flat, which is what happens when you base a saga on a two-dimensional video game. Now just imagine "Grand Theft Auto: The Animated Series" -- that would be something.

The person who wrote this article obviously doesn't know that Pokemon is still going.

Rad_Riardos
July 8th, 2007, 04:49 AM
Yes, I guess people just don't realize how popular Pokemon is right now.

Nekonron
July 8th, 2007, 05:07 AM
Yes, I guess people just don't realize how popular Pokemon is right now.

Either that or they're in denial:15:

spike6958
July 8th, 2007, 11:49 AM
it made me laugh that it bad mouths them all then has a link to where you can buy the episodes on DvD

Waffle-San
July 8th, 2007, 12:15 PM
It has a plot, maybe not super deep but not very many cartoons have or had one. Plus he kept ratting on thea nimation, whichw as at its best for the time when the episodes were first premiering, i bet if he watched it now, he'da gree the animation has improved.

SBaby
July 9th, 2007, 06:06 PM
To be fair, I have to agree with the complaint about Pokemon not having much of a plot. But the fact is, Pokemon is easily the most successful video game-based cartoon, or even media in general, in history. The show's been around for more than ten years. And it shows no signs of ending any time soon. Yet somehow, it's dying down? I don't think so...

What really made me laugh is his comments on Transformers. He's obviously never seen the 86 movie.

But then again, this is the type of stuff you'd expect to find on msn. Uninspired, uneducated reviewers. MSN is much like Wikipedia. Little to no research buried in a sea of hype and theories.

Rad_Riardos
July 9th, 2007, 06:10 PM
The plot in episodes are normally small. But basically, it's always the same plot. Walk around to certain places to win badges, basically. But some of the episodes on the way seem extremely pointless, or are just boring fillers.

SBaby
July 9th, 2007, 06:16 PM
The plot in episodes are normally small. But basically, it's always the same plot. Walk around to certain places to win badges, basically. But some of the episodes on the way seem extremely pointless, or are just boring fillers.

Such as episodes with Team Aqua, Magma and Galaxy. We all know nothing will ever happen with them, outside of their sub story that'll be meaningless in the grand scheme of things. I could go on. But that's not even the point.

This guy's basically trying to tell readers that Justice League Unlimited was better than the animated Transformers Movie. That's the big issue.

ChibiGingi
July 9th, 2007, 06:20 PM
Pokemon has more of a plot than most of the Cartoon, Cartoon crap that's infesting the rest of Cartoon Network's line up.

*sneers at Camp Lazlo*

SBaby
July 9th, 2007, 10:32 PM
Pokemon has more of a plot than most of the Cartoon, Cartoon crap that's infesting the rest of Cartoon Network's line up.

*sneers at Camp Lazlo*

Yeah, but the thing is that those shows at least don't pretend to have a plot.

Pokemon does. But my biggest issue with the show is how the story is so unresolved. Nothing seems to ever get done. When progress is made in the plot, some gimmick happens to put everything back to square one. That's just annoying.

But that still doesn't make Pokemon one of the worst cartoons. Final Fantasy: Legend of the Crystals was one of the worst cartoons ever made. Not Pokemon. And people who have seen it definitely know what I mean.

Ryu Hoshi
July 10th, 2007, 01:44 AM
Love the videogame,hate the show.when it first started i loved it.then as I grew I thought hmm mabey I just outgrew the show.no to my horror its just the same thing over and over again ash an co wander around discover something or get a badge.and team rocket goes flying off again.oh and eventually he'll let one of his pokemon leave to do something else other then help him cough,squirtle,cough ,charizard,cough,pigeot,for me it got boring along time ago,and now the voice acting is just taking dives.not one of the worst cartoons.but deffintly one that could do better then what its doing now.even if ratings are good

Warlord Blade
July 10th, 2007, 07:23 PM
I have watched all the old and new pokemon episodes so far and I can say that it is not going to end any time soon. Yeah, the plot and story is boring but it is the new pokemon and the battles we like. I am a big fan of the game and the series. The story line is simply to catch all the pokemon you find, make new friends(Brock & Misty, etc.) and rivals (Gray & Richie, etc.), and travel to new places. It is something you would watch as a child and could never stop watching, this adventure of Ash and pikachu.

Always and Never
July 10th, 2007, 07:28 PM
Exactly, as a child. As the generation of kids who were affected by pokemon grows up, the ratings for pokemon will die down.

I used to watch the old episodes, those were actually good, but the new ones are boring.

Rad_Riardos
July 11th, 2007, 04:13 AM
Normally, for the original watchers, it was hard for me to outgrow it, because I wanted to see what happened. Hate the old episodes, just want to see the new episodes, and movies. Battling is the only thing I like. But if pokemon always kept things on track, then it would be better. Guess it's just trying to make a long season.

Ryu Hoshi
July 11th, 2007, 07:59 AM
Normally, for the original watchers, it was hard for me to outgrow it, because I wanted to see what happened. Hate the old episodes, just want to see the new episodes, and movies. Battling is the only thing I like. But if pokemon always kept things on track, then it would be better. Guess it's just trying to make a long season.

More like milk it for all its worth

PokeWatch
July 12th, 2007, 10:08 PM
you have to notice how old the article is thought since the other cartoon havnt been around in years. also the plot has to be simple or 5-10 year olds wouldnt get it.

Craig²
July 12th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Say 'Pokemon' or 'Gotta Catch 'Em All' anywhere in the world and people will know exactly what you're talking about. Pokemon must be pretty popular for that to happen, no?

Personally, I dislike the Anime. I prefer Animes like Naruto and Bleach, with excitment and violence rather than a repetitive plot, uninteresting characters, and predictable anime like Pokemon.

^ All IMO, people. Don't get mad. @_@

Otter Mii-kun
July 13th, 2007, 02:25 PM
The first two or three seasons were very good (perhaps the early episodes that ran in syndication were some of the best)-but then once Master Quest (season 5) came along, things began sliding down quickly (which is why I quit watching the show come Hoenn)

Shinji_
July 14th, 2007, 08:29 PM
I agree kinda, Pokemon is a bit too boring becuase it gets to repitive ;_: even my mom said the first seasons where better. Although Pokemon still tickles my fancy but I can understand a critic writting something like that.

Houndour2005
July 15th, 2007, 06:22 AM
I haven't seen any Pokemon episodes for a long time.

PokemonRox
July 15th, 2007, 06:44 AM
I like the shows.. the people that wrote that story dont understand that there are thousands of people who still like pokemon..

~PokemonRox:t244:

Ryu Hoshi
July 15th, 2007, 06:59 AM
I like the shows.. the people that wrote that story dont understand that there are thousands of people who still like pokemon..

~PokemonRox:t244:

its not about how many people like the show.its about the story around the show all together.and lets face it.theres not that many people that still watch pokemon from the day it originally aired in the U.S untill now,and repetitiveness is a key factor to that

Shadow0faBandit
July 15th, 2007, 09:50 AM
its not about how many people like the show.its about the story around the show all together.and lets face it.theres not that many people that still watch pokemon from the day it originally aired in the U.S untill now,and repetitiveness is a key factor to that

The repetitiveness will always be there unfortunately. Pokemon would probably do alot better if a more in depth story line was given to the series. Pokemon will probably be another simpson's show, where it never ends. If the game developers could keep up with the show that would be a dream, but I think Pokemon needs to come to an end within the next five years or so.

Animehero
July 16th, 2007, 01:30 PM
Sure it's repetitive, but it's not that bad.

Miss Reyna
July 16th, 2007, 04:12 PM
Is it just me or did the person that wrote this article seemed to have spent more time playing the games and not enough time watching the anime? I mean the person even use the word leveling in his article when the anime doesn't even say a thing about leveling pokemon, except in one SUPER old episode.

I know that Pokemon isn't the best of all animes or shows but it still pretty coolies compare to other shows. I think we all know the show is repetivie and kinda doesn't do much on character development but still there is some character development. I mean Ash use to be a kid who was kinda a bit too overconfident and immature but now he is a bit more control. Then at the end of Battle Frontier May had some character developement too. Not much but it is something. Then it seems like Diamond and Pearl i doing a bit better compare to the other season.

I know somebody else already said this but it is true. Pokemon has been running for more the 500 episodes and still getting good ratings so it has to be doing something right.

Silly person who wrote that article. Teeheehee

Waffle-San
July 16th, 2007, 06:14 PM
I don't get why people TRY and predict whats going to happen, I completely ignore what I've seen before, Adding contests wasn't repetitive. The personalities arn't always repetative.

I can live with most of it, I like seeing the new cities and just the new adventure they're on every episode.

I do have one problem with it though. Its more geared to new watchers, the repetitavness I don't like is when they have to re-explain the battling concepts, or how they want the brand new viewers see Ash grow from a loser (like loses battles) to a winner. I just wish they'd gear that stuf more to the dedicated fans.

I can deal with a repetative plot. As long as they don't COMPLETELY start over (I love seeing the NEW characters develop.)