Machamp help

[KingAwsome]

I got a Machoke in a trade and it evolved into a Machamp naturally. It's ability is no guard and I was wondering if it's a good ability or not. And don't say anything about the nature.

Machamp
Hardy nature @ nothing

Cross chop
Dynamicpunch
Wake-up slap
Scary face

I'm taking out scary face and Wake-up slap, but for the other two, I don't know.

[Jimmyray]

It's ok if you keep Dynamicpunch. Isn't that what no guard does? Wake-up Slap and scary face need to go though I think.

[KingAwsome]

It's ok if you keep Dynamicpunch. Isn't that what no guard does? Wake-up Slap and scary face need to go though I think.

Thanks, I was thinking the same thing but I don't know what to relpace them with. And I have to replace cross chop

[Jimmyray]

Cross Chop isn't actually that bad. If you're trying to get Machamp to L:100, maybe teach it Seismic Toss, Earthquake and one of the punches (Fire, Ice or electric)

[. t R U T H]

Machamp @:Leftovers
Trait:Guts
Adamant Nature
Rest
Sleep Talk
Cross Chomp
Ice Punch/Thunderpunch/Fire Punch.

[Jimmyray]

No way would I dream of teaching my machamp Sleep Talk, even though it has rest.

[. t R U T H]

No way would I dream of teaching my machamp Sleep Talk, even though it has rest.
Yes, but it's meant to take adventage of gut's.

[Jimmyray]

But this Machamp doens't have Guts, it has No Guard. I;m still for:

Cross Chop
Earthquake
Dynamicpunch
Fire/Ice/Thunder Punch

[. t R U T H]

But this Machamp doens't have Guts, it has No Guard. I;m still for:

Cross Chop
Earthquake
Dynamicpunch
Fire/Ice/Thunder Punch Why would put two fighting moves on the same pokemon, and he could have multiples. otherwise, just breed to get the right trait.

[Jimmyray]

Because Dynamicpunch is really strong, as is Cross Chop. machamp has pretty lame moves otherwise...

[. t R U T H]

Because Dynamicpunch is really strong, as is Cross Chop. machamp has pretty lame moves otherwise...Yes, i agree, we all want moves with more power. but please, just use my set. (KingAwsome).

[Jimmyray]

Please, don't. That Machamp doesn't have guts and DON'T Rebreed because you will have to train all over again AND THEN trade it again. Go with the side of goodness

Earthquake
Cross Chop
Dynamicpunch
Fire/Thunder/Ice Punch

[. t R U T H]

Alright, if you go on serebii, they'll pick my moveset for him. sometimes you just have to live with it, choose mine.

[KingAwsome]

Machamp @:Leftovers
Trait:Guts
Adamant Nature
Rest
Sleep Talk
Cross Chomp
Ice Punch/Thunderpunch/Fire Punch.

I can kind of see what you mean by giving it rest and sleep talk, but it's too slow and doesn't have the def. to take full advantage of it like I don't know, Snorlax would. But also, having two of the same move isn't all of that of a good move to make But I don't know, because both of them only have 5 pp. But they both have their advantages. And by the by, the elemental punches are egg moves.

[. t R U T H]

Just do it. please. for the love of god, it's the best set there is for machamp. (mentioned on serebii). besides, just switch out if you have a problem like staraptor.

[KingAwsome]

Where on Serebii does it say that moveset is the best for Machamp. I'd really like to see it.

[. t R U T H]

I don't exactly remember where. but that doesn't matter. trust me, i have Tons and tons of experience. and you should listen to people like that. i'm telling you the truth, and want to know where i got that experience? serebii!!

[KingAwsome]

I seriously doubt that it gonna work. But I'll consider it. Thanks for the help?

[. t R U T H]

Your welcome. trust me, i have never really tried it, but know it'll work. Edit: Thank god Jimmy's gone, i thought we we're gonna argue forever.

[KingAwsome]

So you've never tried it before. That makes me so much positive that it will work.

[. t R U T H]

So you've never tried it before. That makes me so much positive that it will work.
sorry, to make it look negative. but just trust me for once, it'll work. why does everyone disagree with me?

[Jimmyray]

He lies. For a more succesful Machamp, trust Jimmyray!

[. t R U T H]

Alright, fine trust him. if he say's an expert RmT'er lies, then believe him don't really care. this just really makes unhapppy and upset. :(.

[KingAwsome]

sorry, to make it look negative. but just trust me for once, it'll work. why does everyone disagree with me?

I'm not disagreeing with you. I just don't normally use fighting types and I was to make sure that it's the best it can be. And I don't normally see rest/sleep talk on poke's like Machamp is all.

[. t R U T H]

I'm not disagreeing with you. I just don't normally use fighting types and I was to make sure that it's the best it can be. And I don't normally see rest/sleep talk on poke's like Machamp is all.
please, just listen to me. if everyone doesn't trust me, fine. but, please, just read all my other posts that you didn't read very carefully. Edit:Read the thread above me, someone agress with me on Milotic!!!

[KingAwsome]

please, just listen to me. if everyone doesn't trust me, fine. but, please, just read all my other posts that you didn't read very carefully. Edit:Read the thread above me, someone agress with me on Milotic!!!


Allright, after much thought, I guess it is a good moveset with Guts involved. But I don't fell like having to trade and hope for one with guts. So do you know any that goes good with the No Guard ability?

[. t R U T H]

Yes, the don't listen to JimmyRay set, :P. lol

[Jimmyray]

Allright, after much thought, I guess it is a good moveset with Guts involved. But I don't fell like having to trade and hope for one with guts. So do you know any that goes good with the No Guard ability?

Of course, join me with my marvellous moveset moving marvellously onwards:

Earthquake
Dynamicpunch
Cross Chop
Fire/Thunder/Ice Punch

[. t R U T H]

Of course, join me with my marvellous moveset moving marvellously onwards:

Earthquake
Dynamicpunch
Cross Chop
Fire/Thunder/Ice Punch No, you heard my above post. btw, great. this is desu vu all over again, or at least the arguing part.

[Jimmyray]

Lol you mean deja vu? What do you mean No, you heard my post above?

[Bleach and Sunshine]

I posted this moveset a few days ago. Not sure if you will approve of it.


Machamp @ Salac Berry/Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
EV: 255 Attack/ 200 Def/52 Speed
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Dynamic Punch
-Stone Edge

[Jimmyray]

Oh great, approve of the sleeping combo ¬_¬

[KingAwsome]

I posted this moveset a few days ago. Not sure if you will approve of it.


Machamp @ Salac Berry/Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
EV: 255 Attack/ 200 Def/52 Speed
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Dynamic Punch
-Stone Edge

I just want something that takes advantage of No guard, if there is anything.

[. t R U T H]

Think, Stone Edge and Dynamiac Punch have low accuarcy. so, no-guard could take adventage of it. and Lo:badsmile:l, haha Jimmy Ray.:laugh:.

[Bleach and Sunshine]

I just want something that takes advantage of No guard, if there is anything.

I should have put "Ability: No Guard" there. T.T

But that is the intended Ability.

[Lord Mike]

Any good Machamp should have either Rock Slide or Stone Edge. Machamp needs to be able to KO Flying-types that it oftenly has trouble with, especially on the switch. Thunderpunch is an option to take on Flying-types as well.

Best one by far.

Machamp @ Leftovers *** DA CHAMP
Ability: No Guard
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
EVs: 116 HP / 216 Atk / 100 Def / 76 SDef
-Bulk Up
-Dynamicpunch
-Rock Slide / Thunderpunch
-Earthquake / Ice Punch / Fire Punch

[KingAwsome]

Any good Machamp should have either Rock Slide or Stone Edge. Machamp needs to be able to KO Flying-types that it oftenly has trouble with, especially on the switch. Thunderpunch is an option to take on Flying-types as well.

Best one by far.

Machamp @ Leftovers *** DA CHAMP
Ability: No Guard
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
EVs: 116 HP / 216 Atk / 100 Def / 76 SDef
-Bulk Up
-Dynamicpunch
-Rock Slide / Thunderpunch
-Earthquake / Ice Punch / Fire Punch

I like this one. But doesn't bulk up and dynamicpunch do the same thing as far as confusing go? So wouldn't Cross chop be better as a replacement for dynamicpunch?

[sims796]

No. Bulk Up increases Atk & Def.

[KingAwsome]

No. Bulk Up increases Atk & Def.


Oh, I'm thinking of swagger. Sorry, it's awsome then, thanks! EDIT: Wish it could learn sucker punch to take out Alakazams and other physcis though, that would pwn.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Itachi Uchiha is right. Machamp has farly good defenses and pretty good HP. I have used that set in 3rd gen except EQ instead of an elemental punch. It worked very well. Not to start a flame war, but jimmyray's team didn't exactly score high reviews. He's learning right now. The sleep talk moveset is the way to go.

[. t R U T H]

Itachi Uchiha is right. Machamp has farly good defenses and pretty good HP. I have used that set in 3rd gen except EQ instead of an elemental punch. It worked very well. Not to start a flame war, but jimmyray's team didn't exactly score high reviews. He's learning right now. The sleep talk moveset is the way to go. Yes, that's right. he still has much to learn, plus he argues on which set is the best. when no doubt, it's the rest talking set.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Exactly. My old set in 3rd gen is better than jimmyray's (bulk up,subpunch,rock slide). That thing destroyed the battle fronteir (except that damn tower where there are SOOOO many critical hits against you). That is a decent set but the resttalk is THE best. Machamp is a beast with that. The reason jimmyray's team is so bad is because it's a noob team with ALL sweepers. Groudon didn't even have EQ... No offense either, it's just strategy destroys brute force and jimmy's set is more brute force. Resttalk machamp is brute force AND strategy.

[. t R U T H]

Exactly. My old set in 3rd gen is better than jimmyray's (bulk up,subpunch,rock slide). That thing destroyed the battle fronteir (except that damn tower where there are SOOOO many critical hits against you). That is a decent set but the resttalk is THE best. Machamp is a beast with that. The reason jimmyray's team is so bad is because it's a noob team with ALL sweepers. Groudon didn't even have EQ... No offense either, it's just strategy destroys brute force and jimmy's set is more brute force. Resttalk machamp is brute force AND strategy. *Does Victory Dance*, yes take that again JimmyRay. got anything else to say perhaps?

[GWXCORE]

i see where the rest/sleep talk guy is coming from but i got a machamp and its currently got
cross chop
fire punch
earthquake
and scary face to be replaced by something i find thats better.i took out my strength pokemon so i might give it strength just to give it something more useful than scary face

EDIT: after reading at different spots i decided
Rest
Fire Punch
Sleeptalk
Dynamicpunch

he's got no guard btw just to tell ya

[I, Lucario]

KA, Just remember its your choice in the end. Take all you hear with a grain a salt.

If you keep your Machamp with No Guard it would be smart (in my opinion) to choose a moveset that complements the ability ie. Dynamicpunch, Stone Edge etc. since really you don't really need to think of accuracy.

This is just my opinion i'n sure that most of the people here know more and are probably better than me in the battling scene.

[. t R U T H]

i see where the rest/sleep talk guy is coming from but i got a machamp and its currently got
cross chop
fire punch
earthquake
and scary face to be replaced by something i find thats better.i took out my strength pokemon so i might give it strength just to give it something more useful than scary face
Scary Face, Lol. ROFL!! get the heck out of here. and why a Special Move like Fire Punch?

[sims796]

I thought Fire Punch was physical.

[. t R U T H]

I thought Fire Punch was physical. Oh, i forgot. oh well, i'm not deleting and not. i know i can, but i'm not. anyways, i'll look it up on serebii.