It's Time To End The Banning Of Legends here at PC

[MKDS_PoKE]

Hello everyone. You can think of this thread as a "rant" if you will. I've noticed that here at PC, a majority of battlers try to totally "ban" legends from their game. I also see in tournaments a disordered rule that bans absolutely all legends - not just ubers. Thusly, judging by people banning legends and making it a rule on tournaments, it kind of "embarrases" the tournament maker. Well, that is for the more expirienced competitive player (such as me).

By reading this, please do not assume that a certain pokemon should be uber

1. Ubers

Ubers are legendary, but it seems that some of you mistaken some legends that arne't ubers. Ubers are pokemon that have some kind of strong point (such as in Base Stats, Abilities, Moves, etc) that seperate it from the standards (or pokemon that "aren't" uber. Also note that most pokemon that are uber are over 600 in total base stats.

A list of ubers:

Mewtwo - Extremely fast and powerful in special attack. Has a total of 680 in total base stats

Mew - Can learn every move in the game

Wobbuffet - Can't take this down without killing your own pokemon

Lugia - Absolutely the best special wall in the game. Total base stats is over 600

Ho-Oh - Once again, over 600 and has powerful offenses as well as defenses

Latias - Base stats, and it it's defenses are extreme

Latios - Latias just offensive style

Kyogre - Base stats, extremely powerful as a special sweeper

Groudon - Base stats as well, extremely powerful as a physical sweeper

Rayquaza - Base stats, very offensive

Deoxys (all forms) - Stats are extremely powerful for each form

Dialga - Stats of course, and has it's own item that boosts it's attack, and has a signature move

Palkia - Same as above

Giratina - SO DEFENSIVE! It's stats.

Manaphy - Their is a reason. Learns tail glow, extremely hard to take down without dying (can sweep teams)

Darkrai - Like mewtwo, just it has the move Dark Void

Arceus - Strongest pokemon in the game. Can be any type. Can learn any move.

2. Legends That Aren't Ubers

These should not be banned. They are as strong as the regular pokemon we all use such as Salamence, Garchomp, etc. If it has an explanation, it's because of something important.

Azelf
Uxie
Mespirit
Regirock
Registeel
Regice
Heatran
Cresselia
Entei
Raikou
Suicune
Zapdos
Moltres
Articuno
Regigigas - It's ability slow start made it non-uber
Shaymin
Phione
Celebi
Jirachi

3. Why To Not Ban Legends that AREN'T Uber

Their basically just as powerful as the pokemon used now. That's why. So basically, all your really doing is banning something that shouldn't be banned

I'm hoping all of you understand why non-ubers shouldn't be banned

4. The Pokemon That Are as strong as non-uber legends

The following list are as strong as regular legends:

Slowbro - Awesome tank
Gengar - Awesome special sweeper
Weezing - Hazer
Starmie - Awesome choice specer
Gyarados - Slightly stronger than legends
Aerodactyl - One of the best physical sweepers
Dragonite - Very strong
Heracross - Powerful physical sweeper
Skarmory - same as donphan
Donphan - Extremely strong defenses
Blissey - The best special wall in the game - potential to be an uber
Swampert - Strong attacker/absorbes hits
Breloom - Strong attacker and can spore punch
Salamence - Slightly stronger than a legend
Metagross - Very strong after an agility
Infernape - Physical sweeper
Bronzong - Powerful wall
Garchomp - Slightly stronger than a legend
Lucario - Very strong mixed attacker
Hippowdon - Defenses are massive
Weavile - AN EXTREMELY STRONG starter for your team
Magnezone - Strong magnet using attacker
Rhyperior - Has the potential to become uber as well
Tangrowth - Physical tank as strong as cresselia
Electivire - Strong attacker
Togekiss - A strong special attacker
Gliscor - A physical tank similar to cresselia
Porygon-Z - As powerful as azelf basically
Dusknoir - A massively powerful tank
Tyranitar - Has the potential to actually become uber

Ask questions if you wish.

[sims796]

Nicely said. Although I think this belongs in Wireless Battling, since thats where most of the bans are.

[MKDS_PoKE]

Nicely said. Although I think this belongs in Wireless Battling, since thats where most of the bans are.

Hmm, possibly. Yes, I think I should post it their as well. But I don't know... This is also a party of strategy.

[Marcy_11]

I agree, thanks for clearing this up for me I didnt realise that all lengendaries werent uber o.O

[MKDS_PoKE]

I agree, thanks for clearing this up for me I didnt realise that all lengendaries werent uber o.O
Well then your very welcome! I'm glad I helped!

Edit: Do you think the mods would allow me to post this in the wi-fi battle section as well?

[~Mithos~]

nah just get a mod to move it

I agree with this, I hope you change this, thanks.

[Gilgαmesh]

You want to know why ubers and legendaries are banned and stuff? It's because n00bs have abused their prevlidges to use them. A percentage of legendaries are hacked, and if you're saying legendaries should be allowed, then that's saying hacked legies should be, too.

Just saying, as more and more n00bs will abuse the allowing of legendaries. And I don't think this will be lifted, as if it is, it'll cause more and more complaints about other people using legendaries unfairly and stuff like that.

Hate to say it. Althought your explanation was nicely said, I'm afraid it probably won't be done in fear that n00bs will abuse that privilidge.

[MKDS_PoKE]

nah just get a mod to move it

I agree with this, I hope you change this, thanks.
Be sure to see more stuff coming soon....

[MKDS_PoKE]

You want to know why ubers and legendaries are banned and stuff? It's because n00bs have abused their prevlidges to use them. A percentage of legendaries are hacked, and if you're saying legendaries should be allowed, then that's saying hacked legies should be, too.

Just saying, as more and more n00bs will abuse the allowing of legendaries. And I don't think this will be lifted, as if it is, it'll cause more and more complaints about other people using legendaries unfairly and stuff like that.

Hate to say it. Althought your explanation was nicely said, I'm afraid it probably won't be done in fear that n00bs will abuse that privilidge.
You have to quit saying noobs. Non-Uber legends such as Azelf are powerful. Not about hacked pokemon. Hacked pokemon are banned anyway. So why even mention that? If you care to see the power of non-uber legends, I CAN battle you. Just because one uses a non-uber legend does not mean their are a noob.

[Gilgαmesh]

You have to quit saying noobs. Non-Uber legends such as Azelf are powerful. Not about hacked pokemon. Hacked pokemon are banned anyway. So why even mention that? If you care to see the power of non-uber legends, I CAN battle you. Just because one uses a non-uber legend does not mean their are a noob.

I can say noobs. Want to know why? Because I'm frustrated with the many of them that hack. Lifting this will only increase the chances of hacked legendaries getting in.

Personally, for myself, if you're using a full legendary team, it just means that you're probably too lazy to raise an actual team yourself. Legendaries are way too overpowered by nature, and they can easily own any pokemon that comes their way.

Hence, to make things fair, legies were banned. Don't want flame wars. Don't want complaints about them. "OMG HE OR SHE H4CKED !! ITS NOT FAIR *cries* "

One of the most many things that go through people's minds, don't you think?

Plus, I didn't say every legendary user was a noob. Stop putting words in my mouth.

[Always and Never]

They make us take down a tier list but they let you post this?

Legendaries are crutches, there for people who do not know how to play have a flase sense of security.

Anyone who can't EV train a team, will use legendaries.

[MKDS_PoKE]

I can say noobs. Want to know why? Because I'm frustrated with the many of them that hack. Lifting this will only increase the chances of hacked legendaries getting in.

Personally, for myself, if you're using a full legendary team, it just means that you're probably too lazy to raise an actual team yourself. Legendaries are way too overpowered by nature, and they can easily own any pokemon that comes their way.

Hence, to make things fair, legies were banned. Don't want flame wars. Don't want complaints about them. "OMG HE OR SHE H4CKED !! ITS NOT FAIR *cries* "

One of the most many things that go through people's minds, don't you think?

Plus, I didn't say every legendary user was a noob. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I just explained how legends are as powerful as the regular pokemon used today, and yet you still say that their THAT strong. I'm telling you that ubers are only that strong, not legends that are non-uber. And no body uses a all team of legends, except for serious noobs. BUT i'm telling you, only uber legends can cause THAT MUCH DAMAGE. Regular legends are as strong as things like Salamence and Garchomp.

[ChrisG14]

You have to quit saying noobs. Non-Uber legends such as Azelf are powerful. Not about hacked pokemon. Hacked pokemon are banned anyway. So why even mention that? If you care to see the power of non-uber legends, I CAN battle you. Just because one uses a non-uber legend does not mean their are a noob.

I think he means people that use and entire team of Mewtwos, Rayquazas, and Palikas. When they're exceptionally high stats, even without proper training, they can take down almost any team.

I think that they're should be some sort of area for players that love to just use Legendaries and the people that don't, like a "Legendary Mode" on Wi-Fi. And as long as people understand the two tiers, then everything can run a little smoother.

[Gilgαmesh]

I just explained how legends are as powerful as the regular pokemon used today, and yet you still say that their THAT strong. I'm telling you that ubers are only that strong, not legends that are non-uber.

That's because they CAN be that strong. Have you taken a look at the base stats of legendaries latley? Compare that to regular pokemon, and see what you get.

Only EV trained regular pokemon may be equal or surpass those of legendaries. Depends on how it's trained, the IVs and all.

Salamence, Garchomp. The only legitimate comparison would be Rayquaza. Compare those three. Obvious Rayquaza owns them both. :|

[MKDS_PoKE]

@ Hoshiko

The following list are as strong as regular legends:

Slowbro - Awesome tank
Gengar - Awesome special sweeper
Weezing - Hazer
Starmie - Awesome choice specer
Gyarados - Slightly stronger than legends
Aerodactyl - One of the best physical sweepers
Dragonite - Very strong
Heracross - Powerful physical sweeper
Skarmory - same as donphan
Donphan - Extremely strong defenses
Blissey - The best special wall in the game - potential to be an uber
Swampert - Strong attacker/absorbes hits
Breloom - Strong attacker and can spore punch
Salamence - Slightly stronger than a legend
Metagross - Very strong after an agility
Infernape - Physical sweeper
Bronzong - Powerful wall
Garchomp - Slightly stronger than a legend
Lucario - Very strong mixed attacker
Hippowdon - Defenses are massive
Weavile - AN EXTREMELY STRONG starter for your team
Magnezone - Strong magnet using attacker
Rhyperior - Has the potential to become uber as well
Tangrowth - Physical tank as strong as cresselia
Electivire - Strong attacker
Togekiss - A strong special attacker
Gliscor - A physical tank similar to cresselia
Porygon-Z - As powerful as azelf basically
Dusknoir - A massively powerful tank
Tyranitar - Has the potential to actually become uber

So really what your saying is that all of these pokemon are what noobs use.

[Gilgαmesh]

@ Hoshiko

The following list are as strong as regular legends:

Slowbro - Awesome tank
Gengar - Awesome special sweeper
Weezing - Hazer
Starmie - Awesome choice specer
Gyarados - Slightly stronger than legends
Aerodactyl - One of the best physical sweepers
Dragonite - Very strong
Heracross - Powerful physical sweeper
Skarmory - same as donphan
Donphan - Extremely strong defenses
Blissey - The best special wall in the game - potential to be an uber
Swampert - Strong attacker/absorbes hits
Breloom - Strong attacker and can spore punch
Salamence - Slightly stronger than a legend
Metagross - Very strong after an agility
Infernape - Physical sweeper
Bronzong - Powerful wall
Garchomp - Slightly stronger than a legend
Lucario - Very strong mixed attacker
Hippowdon - Defenses are massive
Weavile - AN EXTREMELY STRONG starter for your team
Magnezone - Strong magnet using attacker
Rhyperior - Has the potential to become uber as well
Tangrowth - Physical tank as strong as cresselia
Electivire - Strong attacker
Togekiss - A strong special attacker
Gliscor - A physical tank similar to cresselia
Porygon-Z - As powerful as azelf basically
Dusknoir - A massively powerful tank
Tyranitar - Has the potential to actually become uber

So really what your saying is that all of these pokemon are what noobs use.

Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that.

And you're just proving yourself wrong. Every pokemon is strong in their own catagory. Blissey is not as strong as Groudon, or Rayquaza. You need to elaborate on what you mean by regular legends. Any good EV trained attack pokemon can easily OHKO Blissey with that ungodly defense.

So you're just proving yourself wrong by stating pokemon who are good at their own catagory. Skarmory is for defense, not for attack, like Rayquaza, and such.

So again, you proved yourself wrong. Only EV trained, with an exception of some, may actually become strong or equal to legendaries.

These pokemon aren't ubers for very obvious reasons. A majority of them have stupid base stats, let alone pathetic weaknesses.

Plus they can be easily KO'ed. :|

[Always and Never]

Uhm, no.

They have on stat that is good, not all of them like Oobies.

Why does Nintendo ban them from official tourneys if they're not good?

Why does my little brother, who has no idea how to play pokemon, only use Rayquaza?

It's because they're remarkably better than most.
When their base stats exceed 500, that's when the hilarity ends.

[MKDS_PoKE]

Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that.

By saying that legends are for noobs, and all these pokemon's power is equivilent to that of a legend, that IS what your saying

And you're just proving yourself wrong. Every pokemon is strong in their own catagory. Blissey is not as strong as Groudon, or Rayquaza. You need to elaborate on what you mean by regular legends. Any good EV trained attack pokemon can easily OHKO Blissey with that ungodly defense.

i'm not proving myself wrong. I've been a competitive battler for a while now. People like me and aragornbird should know stuff like this. Blissey can wall things such as special rayquaza, dialga, palkia, kyogre, and almost every special sweeper in the game. And lol, only physical sweepers can take down bliss like that.

So you're just proving yourself wrong by stating pokemon who are good at their own catagory. Skarmory is for defense, not for attack, like Rayquaza, and such.

Stop brining up ubers. I'm talking about non-ubers here.

So again, you proved yourself wrong. Only EV trained, with an exception of some, may actually become strong or equal to legendaries.

EV Trained pokemon are used by me of course. Every single pokemon on that list (the list that shows all pokemon equilvilent to non-uber legends) I have and raised with good IV's, EV's, and standard set.


If you really want a battle. Then let's go. Right here, right now.

[Always and Never]

You serious?

Pshh, you couldn't even lay a scratch on Hoshiko, not to mention this is the totally wrong forum.

Plus if you are gonna use legendaries, he won't even want to waste the time.

Legendaries are for losers, losers are for legendaries.

[MKDS_PoKE]

I see now why many people think PC have noob battlers. They don't seem to get the point. First up, Hoshiko, every pokemon on that list does not have sucky base stats and are not easily KO'd. That actually was the list of OU (or standard) pokemon. You should really catch up on competitive battling.

And syther, if you guys don't understand the statement i have just explained, then I don't really care.

[Always and Never]

Then don't post useless n00b threads like this.

Legendaries won't be unbanned because you want strong pokemon. Simple as that.

[MKDS_PoKE]

This isn't useless. So please stop trying to flame it.

[Gilgαmesh]

This isn't useless. So please stop trying to flame it.

I don't see him flaming in any post. He has the right to state his opinions and protests. And he's free to do so. If you don't want his comments plus more, than do what he said. Don't make threads like this, please.

[MKDS_PoKE]

I'm just trying to help the community understand the difference between ubers and non-uber legends. If you can't accept the fact that non-uber legends are the same as other pokemon, then that's your opinion. But to the more advanced battler, it's the other way around.

[Gilgαmesh]

I'm just trying to help the community understand the difference between ubers and non-uber legends. If you can't accept the fact that non-uber legends are the same as other pokemon, then that's your opinion. But to the more advanced battler, it's the other way around.

I understand also. But you can at least place your opinions less bluntly. :3

[Always and Never]

You are kidding. I know you are.

Advanced battlers don't use crutches. And I don't see how this would change that.

[sims796]

Then don't post useless n00b threads like this.

Legendaries won't be unbanned because you want strong pokemon. Simple as that.

So that means all legends are ubers? What you're saying is that legends shouldn't be used because they are too strong? If thats the case, Tyranitar should be banned too.

Don't call this a noob thread. If you feel that way, stop posting here, or I'll consider it spam & report.

Tyranitar is stronger than a few legends.That means he should be banned too.

[Shiraishi]

Ok, lets look at Azelf. I dont feel like adding his base stats but I know what his maxed stats are for Attack/Sp atk and Speed. They are 383,383 and 361. Walls are pretty much useless against him, and he can outspeed pretty much anything (cept Zam)I shall put what I think in bold so you wont skip it:Legends are made with very little flaws with their offense and defense. OU pokemon have tons of flaws..For example, SkarBliss gets destroyed by infernape. I would much rather face OU pokemon than legends.(Cept Zam :D)

[Nightofshadow]

I think you people need to play against people other than PC players. I have proven that i can beat with with and without legendaries everywhere i go. So i dont care where i go, I will beat my competition.

As for the banning of legendaries, Its pretty silly and i agree people need to grow up. If they think people who use legendaries are noobs then let them think it. If they are that good then they can beat those legendaries with said"ev trained pokemon"

[MKDS_PoKE]

You are kidding. I know you are.

Advanced battlers don't use crutches. And I don't see how this would change that.

Why don't you go ahead and check http://www.smogon.com

The MOST ADVANCED COMPETITIVE BATTLING SITE ON THE INTERNET. No noobs their. All extremely powerful battlers. I go their myself. Actually, the place I got that list at was from smogon. So I suggest you shouldn't talk. You can even go their and check the Rate My Team forum and see how many people use non-uber legends (well, their whole team isn't populated with non-uber legends, only like 1 or 2).

The most used non-uber legends:

-Cresselia as a wall
-Azelf a extremely powerful sweeper
-Uxie as a wall
-Suicune wall
-Raikou sweeper
-Jirachi as a wall
-Celebi subseeder and wall

*will add to l8tr*

[Purfugly]

I really don't remember non-uber legends being banned.

[sims796]

What about Moltres? Celebii, who has a gaping weakness to bug, also weak against fire, ice, ghost, & dark? Zapdos, Articuno-minus Sheer Cold. Are those overly-powered? No, because they aren't ubers.

[MKDS_PoKE]

I really don't remember non-uber legends being banned.

senicfire545 (8:12:44 PM): They are
senicfire545 (8:12:45 PM): :O
senicfire545 (8:12:54 PM): i've been to many of the major pokemon forums
senicfire545 (8:13:09 PM): this forum in paticular is the only forum that bans ALL legends
senicfire545 (8:13:10 PM): =\

IM chat with Purfugly (i'm senicfire545)

[Always and Never]

I know my type charts, thanks ^_^

I don't know why you are telling me their types? I know them. Doesn't make them useable.

I've OHKO'd every single Tyranitar I have ever fought, so I wouldn't see them as legend. O.o

DOWN WITH SMOGON

I do not follow smogon in any way, and I do not care about their evil ways.

[Purfugly]

senicfire545 (8:12:44 PM): They are
senicfire545 (8:12:45 PM): :O
senicfire545 (8:12:54 PM): i've been to many of the major pokemon forums
senicfire545 (8:13:09 PM): this forum in paticular is the only forum that bans ALL legends
senicfire545 (8:13:10 PM): =\

IM chat with Purfugly (i'm senicfire545)

oO That's just a bunch of Spindas and Jigglypuffs.

[sims796]

So if you can KO TTar, why not Moltres?

[MKDS_PoKE]

*sigh*

Please PC. LISTEN TO ME. I'm trying to make people here a PC better battlers. For those who oppose the thread, you don't seem to be grasping the concept. Thus, you will not progress in battling. Look it over and think about what I said. >_>

[Nightofshadow]

SMogon is an awesome website. But its only for those who are open minded i guess =\

[Always and Never]

Better battlers by using freaking cheap pokemon?! Pshhh, thanks for your help but no one needs it.

[ChrisG14]

0_o

I think that we're confusing "Legendaries" with "Ubers". I think that's the case with most of the battle threads.

Most Legendaries and Ubers don't have the 4x weakness to Ice/Fighting attacks, so I guess that's why the big 4 (Dragnoite, TTar, Sala, and Gar) aren't "Uber".

[MKDS_PoKE]

Ok scyther. Please stop it. If you REALLY want to settle this, then let's battle.

[sims796]

Cool it with your response, xXscytherXx.

I gotta check out this smogon

[Purfugly]

Better battlers by using freaking cheap pokemon?! Pshhh, thanks for your help but no one needs it.

None of the non-uber legends are "freaking cheap," as many of them can be OHKO'd.

[Nightofshadow]

Battling him isnt going to prove anything, Hes just gonna complain about it anyway so just drop it with him. Play by your standards and everyone else will play by theirs. Its that simple

[MKDS_PoKE]

Btw, I just also want to battle because I have to test my team for a tourney tomorrow xD. Its a test team. I'LL BE SURE TO POST THE WARSTORY!

[sims796]

0_o

I think that we're confusing "Legendaries" with "Ubers". I think that's the case with most of the battle threads.

Most Legendaries and Ubers don't have the 4x weakness to Ice/Fighting attacks, so I guess that's why the big 4 (Dragnoite, TTar, Sala, and Gar) aren't "Uber".

Thats what we are aruing for. Apparently, some people doesn't understand. And those without a 4x weakness have easily exploitable weaknesses. Or poor/sub par movesets. Or another crutch.

[MKDS_PoKE]

Btw guys, not just smogon is good, but also Mewtwo Academy

http://www.mewtwoacademy.co.nr

[Alakazam17]

Heh, I've read this thread over, and I'm leaning towards keeping the legends banned. On the most part, legends start off pretty strong, so you don't really have to train them. So, as Hoshiko had mentioned, this makes them very appealing to n00bs. The Uber legends maybe even more so, however.

The point is, I'd rather fight with non-legends, as they tend to show that the opponent knows what he or she is doing. Sure, you can catch several Pokemon in the 50+ range, but those trained from hatchlings will be better. Anything EV trained, for that matter.

Having said all this, I'd support having a battle thread where legends were allowed. I just wouldn't be participating, is all. I had changed the rule in the tournament here, because it seemed that the majority of people had your way of thinking, MKDS_PoKE. However, I was glad to find out that they weren't. No offence. ^_^

[MKDS_PoKE]

Heh, I've read this thread over, and I'm leaning towards keeping the legends banned. On the most part, legends start off pretty strong, so you don't really have to train them. So, as Hoshiko had mentioned, this makes them very appealing to n00bs. The Uber legends maybe even more so, however.

The point is, I'd rather fight with non-legends, as they tend to show that the opponent knows what he or she is doing. Sure, you can catch several Pokemon in the 50+ range, but those trained from hatchlings will be better.

Having said all this, I'd support having a battle thread where legends were allowed. I just wouldn't be participating, is all. I had changed the rule in the tournament here, because it seemed that the majority of people had your way of thinking, MKDS_PoKE. However, I was glad to find out that they weren't.

Thank you, i'd also like to note that Legends do need training to become extra powerful. For example, for AZELF to be strong you need to give it the standard EV spread:

252 atk / 252 spd / 6 (whatever)

[sims796]

Well, some people use legends for reasons other than convinience. I am rather fond of Celebii. If I had one, I would use it.

[Alakazam17]

Thank you, i'd also like to note that Legends do need training to become extra powerful. For example, for AZELF to be strong you need to give it the standard EV spread:

252 atk / 252 spd / 6 (whatever)

The key word there is "extra." They don't need any EV training to be powerful, however. They start out pretty good.

[MKDS_PoKE]

The key word here is EV TRAINING. They do not start out well...

[sims796]

Well, some people use legends for reasons other than convinience. I am rather fond of Celebii. If I had one, I would use it.

Look at this. I like to use em cause I like em. Also, I can wipe out an unev trained legend.

[ChrisG14]

I have a Latios that I EV trained in Sp. Attack and Speed, and a Raquaza EV trained in Attack. So I'm always tempted to use them, but I know that their stats are alot better than normal Pokemon, especially EV trained Legendary Ubers. I want to show more of my strategy and less of my Legendaries. I really think legendaries should nothing more than little trophies for completing the story mode.

[sims796]

Thats because they are ubers. Not just plain legends.

[aragornbird]

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Moving this to Wi-Fi Stadium. I will chime in with my own opinion later.

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[MKDS_PoKE]

Sup aragorn. Thanks for moving this.

[Alakazam17]

I used to have some legends on my team, back in my Silver version. Articuno & Entei, to be exact. But after that they just seemed boring to me. I would much rather battle with a Pokemon I trained from an egg. Nowadays, those are the only ones I do train.

I've gotten annoyed a few times when seeing them in the Battle Tower, of all places. But they weren't my problem, as they were easily defeated. Swampert was the one I feared, XD.

[MKDS_PoKE]

Can a mod/admin say "FLOAT"?

[Purfugly]

Generally the legendary birds get OHKO'd by a Rock Slide/Stone Edge, especially a Swords Dance/Bulk Up one. The dogs all go down with respective types while the Regi's are all so horribly slow and generally have no versatility. The Azelf and Mesprit are quickly KO'd. Uxie takes work but has a disgustingly non-legendary Special Attack. Heatran and Giratina are slow and generally easily OHKO'd. Celebi dies to Bug and generally also Dark, Ice, and Fire. Jirachi can use Wish all it wants, but it isn't going to get any better, and Manaphy and Phione are just... well.. Manaphy and Phione. Cresselia is easily countered.

All the reasons why non-uber legends don't have all the reason for bannage.

[ChrisG14]

More people need to know the difference between "Ubers", "Legendaries" and "non-Uber Legendaries". Most people see the Uber list with mostly Legendaries but Wobbufet, they automatically assume that all Legendaries are Ubers. And since "Ubers" are bad to them, that means ALL "Legendaries" are bad. I really think that we need more clarification in the different types of Legendaries, what's fairplay and what's not.

[sims796]

More people need to know the difference between "Ubers", "Legendaries" and "non-Uber Legendaries". Most people see the Uber list with mostly Legendaries but Wobbufet, they automatically assume that all Legendaries are Ubers. And since "Ubers" are bad to them, that means ALL "Legendaries" are bad. I really think that we need more clarification in the different types of Legendaries, what's fairplay and what's not.

You just stated the whole purpose of this thread.

[Purfugly]

You just stated the whole purpose of this thread.

This thread is an attraction for redundancy. =B

[sims796]

Unfortunately, it seems your right.

[Purfugly]

Unfortunately, it seems your right.

Wait... it's unfortunate that I'm right? =P Did you want me to be wrong?

[sims796]

Aboutt this whole redundancy, yeah, I was hoping that wasn't true, but oh well...

[Mecha Wolf]

One of the main reason that I fight is to see how well other people breed their pokemons. Legendary cannot be bred. Thus, I prefer to no fight with them or against them, just to simplify things.

[Purfugly]

Aboutt this whole redundancy, yeah, I was hoping that wasn't true, but oh well...

Well.. uh... we're about to cause it. =P

[sims796]

Sigh...I can never escape it, can I?

[Purfugly]

Maybe we should just let everyone decide their personal standards. ;P

~el fin del poste:t178:

[sims796]

`Ole` But the problem is, they seem to be uninformed. Don't set uneducated standards. If they do know the difference between ubers and legends, then they might just be shutting off their ears to hear what they want.

[Purfugly]

I think that if some people don't want legendaries/ubers, that's fine, but they'd then most likely include Pseudo Legendaries, Spiritomb, Electivire, and all kinds of crap.

~el fin del poste:t178:

[Akuchiki Byakuya]

The way I see it is that legendaries became legendaries for a reason and that is because they are strong enough to be considered legends. If salamence is so strong, how come he isn't a legend, maybe because it is his low defenses, and tyrannitar, maybe because of it's super low speed, and metagross, again low speed. If a pokemon was considered uber or legendary, then it is better than normal pokes therefore too good for normal play, I think this shouldn't even be being discussed. Legends are legends for a REASON!!!!!

[MKDS_PoKE]

The way I see it is that legendaries became legendaries for a reason and that is because they are strong enough to be considered legends. If salamence is so strong, how come he isn't a legend, maybe because it is his low defenses, and tyrannitar, maybe because of it's super low speed, and metagross, again low speed. If a pokemon was considered uber or legendary, then it is better than normal pokes therefore too good for normal play, I think this shouldn't even be being discussed. Legends are legends for a REASON!!!!!

lol hilariously funny reads

[Akuchiki Byakuya]

I don't think anyone should put normal pokes on the same level as legends that is why I posted that.

[Craig²]

You have to quit saying noobs. Non-Uber legends such as Azelf are powerful. Not about hacked pokemon. Hacked pokemon are banned anyway. So why even mention that? If you care to see the power of non-uber legends, I CAN battle you. Just because one uses a non-uber legend does not mean their are a noob.

Well-said, I think. Though Hoshiko is correct about newbie battlers abusing the privlage of battling with legends.

I just think they should be unbanned because, like you said, hacks aren't allowed anyway, and if we only allowed non-uber legends, I think everything would go fine. I just don't think people should rant about how bad the use of any legend is, because if they had any confidence in their own battle skills and Pokemon, they wouldn't ban Legends but rather squash the hope from a newbie who thinks he's tough just because he has legends.

I half-agree with Ooka. They are strong to start out, yes. However do you ever consider that they are called legends do to the fact that they play a role in an actual legend?

And yeah they're appealing to n00bs but I do also agree on using legends because we like them. Example, I like Kyogre and love dragons like Rayquaza, so I do prefer using them in battle despite their status and power. Note that I am not a n00b, I just like these Pokemon. If I were a n00b I'd be boasting about how unbeatable I am just because I've got legends. I have a legends team but I also have a battle team.

[Always and Never]

You have to admit though, having two stats that can reach 380 and above is insane.

[MKDS_PoKE]

You have to admit though, having two stats that can reach 380 and above is insane.

Which pokemon are you talking about?

[Craig²]

You have to admit though, having two stats that can reach 380 and above is insane.

Well yeah, that is pretty insane..Scary, almost..

[MKDS_PoKE]

What pokemon are you guys talking about?

[Craig²]

No idea. XD

Arceus, I believe?

[MKDS_PoKE]

Arceus? Err, i didn't see that in any of the posts above.

[Craig²]

Then um.... I have no idea....

[MKDS_PoKE]

Errr lol ok ;O. So now what"?

[c_dog]

well i don't see how manaphy is much different from celebi and suicune to be honest.. and tail glow is nice but it's just like nasty plot. i had no idea manaphy was uber...

so basically all legendaries are considered ubers now? hmm, well i can say moltres, entei, even articuno, are probably some of the worst legendaries. i think charizard's better than moltres in fact, and entei is inferior to infernape, blaziken, even typhosion. articuno's very average also.

metagross, garchomp, salamence, and especially tyranitar are as good as any non-uber legendaries. tyranitar has sweet stats, great movepool, and one of the best abilities in the game. metagross after agility can rip through entire teams. garchomp is fast and extremely powerful. salamence has ever so useful intimidate to cover for its defense(which really isn't bad, but pretty good), and great all around stats. i'm not saying these pokemon are cheap or should be banned but that these are as good as any non-uber legendaries so legendaries shouldn't be banned.

[MKDS_PoKE]

well i don't see how manaphy is much different from celebi and suicune to be honest.. and tail glow is nice but it's just like nasty plot. i had no idea manaphy was uber...

so basically all legendaries are considered ubers now? hmm, well i can say moltres, entei, even articuno, are probably some of the worst legendaries. i think charizard's better than moltres in fact, and entei is inferior to infernape, blaziken, even typhosion. articuno's very average also.

metagross, garchomp, salamence, and especially tyranitar are as good as any non-uber legendaries. tyranitar has sweet stats, great movepool, and one of the best abilities in the game. metagross after agility can rip through entire teams. garchomp is fast and extremely powerful. salamence has ever so useful intimidate to cover for its defense(which really isn't bad, but pretty good), and great all around stats. i'm not saying these pokemon are cheap or should be banned but that these are as good as any non-uber legendaries so legendaries shouldn't be banned.
NO no no. You misunderstood. Please look over my first post!

[BrianGabriel]

I think we should keep it realistic aswell, as all legendarys are rare, like Mew. So its kinda of a realism involved in this aswell, not just by how powerful they are.

[c_dog]

NO no no. You misunderstood. Please look over my first post!

i did read it. i know which are ubers which are not, but it seems the common battlers just don't want to fight legendary pokemon, period. to them, all legends are ubers.

anyway, moltres, articuno, and entei are pretty meh so whoever thinks legendaries are legends because they are strong are wrong. being rare means nothing either. shinies are rare, are we going to ban shiny butterfree from battles now?

[Smarties-chan]

The way I see it is that legendaries became legendaries for a reason and that is because they are strong enough to be considered legends. If salamence is so strong, how come he isn't a legend, maybe because it is his low defenses, and tyrannitar, maybe because of it's super low speed, and metagross, again low speed. If a pokemon was considered uber or legendary, then it is better than normal pokes therefore too good for normal play, I think this shouldn't even be being discussed. Legends are legends for a REASON!!!!!
So by your logic Attack Deoxys isn't uber because it has bad HP, Defense and Sp.Defense? Zomg! Now we can all go around using Deoxys in standard battles! =O And Regigigas is totally uber because it has a sexy base Attack of 80 and a sexy base Speed of 50 for the first few turns it's out. That totally doesn't give you time to either buff up a Garchomp or something or just beat the snot out of Regigigas with a Fighting type move. Let's not forget that it's relatively easy to breed a Pokémon for good IVs, nature and in some cases ability, while you're going to have to catch a legendary Pokémon a hell of a lot of times to get one with good IVs and nature.

And what about Registeel? That sure is one hell of a fighter... not. Its only good stats are Defense and Special Defense and its movepool isn't too great either. It works as a decent wall, but people will just exploit its weaknesses and a Flare Blitz or Close Combat from Infernape will hurt Registeel no matter what so it isn't that great of a wall. Its offensive capabilities are also severely lacking. Yup, that's totally Uber. ^^ Banning legendaries just because they're rare is just stupid. I bet no one would ban Zapdos if it was found in the wild, so why is it banned when it's a one-per-game Pokémon? That's just ridiculously stupid.

I myself am going to get myself a good IVd, Bold Uxie once I get Diamond and I'll use it as much as I damn well please.

[Nightofshadow]

So by divine logic noob players use legendaries correct? So let me get this straight....

I use legends so i must be a noob(which we all know isnt the case)
Aragornbird uses legends so he must be a noob too right?(we already know this isnt true either as he is the best player on this website)
Samson uses legends that must make him a noob(nope wrong again)

*lets say* Richard steel started using legends in his battles would you consider him a noob? Especially when he beats almost all the players here with non legend pokemon? I dont think so

Do you see a pattern here? The pokemon you use do not dictate your skill level. Especially with the majority of the subpar legends that are out nowadays. You people need to seriously open your eyes.

[wakachamo]

Wow, does this thread even have to do with making challenges and gathering friend codes? I honestly don't think so. You make a valid point, but it's people's choice whether or not they want legends.

Closed~