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Pikachu Fan38
May 28th, 2004, 06:54 PM
Who do you think is the best water Pokemon Feraligatar , Swampert or Blastoise?Or do you think there's a better one.If theres a thread like this already please feel free to close it.

Frostweaver
May 28th, 2004, 07:02 PM
Battle wise:
Kyogre, of course ;_;

Best water type hazer:
Vaporeon, beyond doubt

Best supporter:
Vaporeon... who else can wish?

Personal Favorite:
Quagsire
Dewgong
Cloyster (it's not bad in battle too)
Vaporeon (too powerful to not love it)

Pikachu Fan38
May 28th, 2004, 07:04 PM
Do you think Frostweaver?For some reason I really like Swampert

Frostweaver
May 28th, 2004, 07:16 PM
If that's a hint for me to list out "why" then sure

Kyogre
-with auto rain dance, water spout on top of the 400+ special attack is just a killer. It can learn ice beam and thunder too so Kyogre pretty much covered all the types possible. Send out Vaporeon to suck up water? Thunder it. Quagsire to block thunder? Ice beam it (or even, HP Grass rarely). Even if they took down Kyogre, the whole gang of swift swimmer comes out... how is that not the most powerful water type ever? Plus darn it he's legendary and ubarest of the ubar

Hazer
-well plenty of water types can haze, but none can special sponge so well... super high hp and good sp.def as well. Sp.attack isn't so bad either so it can attack as well as defense. Then there's wish for Vaporeon too to do some team healing or self heal. Blastoise can haze, but then can't attack if you make him a hazer who can defend a bit to withstand the dragon danced earthquake. Vaporeon on the other hand, can do so easily and attack at the same time wihtout much EV dumped to its stats

Quagsire is highly usable too... water absorb and immunity to electric is always nice.

Dewgong... fat blubber with high hp and somewhat good sp.def and that's all? It can sheer cold? o.o; Well encore, and perish song too o.o; not much but still I like that cute little thing

Cloyster has insane physical defense (enough to survive metagross meteor mash and still be in green), along with high sp.attack too. Spike, surf in spare time,a nd blow up...

Chairman Kaga
May 28th, 2004, 07:16 PM
Goldeen. So totally goldeen...it's more uber than any uber out there.

Aggron91
May 29th, 2004, 01:47 AM
allrite kyogre is the best bcoz when you teach it thunder it always hits becoz of the rain, ice beam kills dragons surk kills pretty much any thing if its powerfull enuf, and it learns water spout, need i say more

jokestr2004
May 29th, 2004, 06:54 AM
Quagsire is highly usable too... water absorb and immunity to electric is always nice.

Yes... but Swampert as well has that effect... and I seem to like his arrange of moves better...

allrite kyogre is the best bcoz when you teach it thunder it always hits becoz of the rain, ice beam kills dragons surk kills pretty much any thing if its powerfull enuf, and it learns water spout, need i say more

Good points. But even so it has the rain effect, it works for both battling Pokemon. An electric type could take it down as easily as it could faint, say, another water type. Plus, like I said, Thunder couldnt do much to a Swampert, or as frosty said, Quagsire also. As for the Ice Beam, you pretty much got that covered, cant differ with ya there.

+el_pal
May 29th, 2004, 06:56 AM
I think Swampert because he loses his weakness of electricity and has earthshaking ground moves. Also he can shoot down thos pesky grass types with an Ice Beam. Dragon who aren't affected by ground can be easily be taken down with Ice.

asher_son_of_ash
May 29th, 2004, 07:18 AM
But Gyarados is a strong water type too. It can learn a lot of moves too. o.O; It can learn Thunder as well as flamethrower too...

AJHalliwell
May 29th, 2004, 07:38 AM
MAGIKARP! lol, no. He's cute though. Starmie is coolest! Vaporeon! And Gyrados!
"Best" is an opinion, so you'll never get a full answer.
But all the water pokemon have cool atributes! PSYDUCK! STARMIE! GOLDEEN! MAGIKARP! VAPOREON! *sighs* they'so cooooooool....
But plant rules over all :)

Aggron91
May 29th, 2004, 07:49 AM
Yes... but Swampert as well has that effect... and I seem to like his arrange of moves better...



Good points. But even so it has the rain effect, it works for both battling Pokemon. An electric type could take it down as easily as it could faint, say, another water type. Plus, like I said, Thunder couldnt do much to a Swampert, or as frosty said, Quagsire also. As for the Ice Beam, you pretty much got that covered, cant differ with ya there.


allrite fair enough, my only problem with swampert is that it only lears a couple of decent moves (earthquake and muddy water) i still like swapert though, in saphire mudkip was my starter pokemon, its female so i have 6 level 60+ swamperts lol

jynx
May 29th, 2004, 12:09 PM
Oh its so diffcult to choose!
Many water Pokemon are my favourite!!
I love them and it is impossible for me to choose which is the beat!

PokePal3000
May 29th, 2004, 12:25 PM
Hey its that asshole pikachufan38 guy that told them to close my thread.I hate you son of a *****.And I also hate that other modereator that closed my thread "kaylighe".Youre provably are some loosers with no friends.I HATE YOU Thanks for making my alraedy miserable life more miserable

PokePal3000
May 29th, 2004, 12:30 PM
By the way Im spaming youre thread jerk SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM.I hope this thread gets close just like mine did.

jynx
May 29th, 2004, 01:03 PM
Oh, Pokepal3000, don't be that angry.
This kind of situations always happen in forums. Normally a post is locked judged by time of post.

Besides, your behaviour is not appropriate in forums. Please just calm yourself down and delete the above posts. Because you'd receive something worse.

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By the way, please bear my advise, but most moderators in this forum...is rather unfortunate in means of "which post should I lock?".

They moght have too much time and find themselves something to do by locking some posts that does not need to be locked.

Pikachu Fan38
May 29th, 2004, 01:08 PM
I'm sorry PokePal3000, I didn't mean to get you mad.You're from mexico city too so we could be friends.But please you still shouldn't double post or insult people especially moderators.If you want I can tell you what you should or should'nt do.SORRY FOR GETTING SO OFF TOPIC

jynx
May 29th, 2004, 01:17 PM
Oh well, maybe he has some concept afraiding ppl being "racket" to him (substitude A into I, and C into S.)

Or, maybe because he's new and want to drive attention.

PokePal3000, if you are not banned by any moderators, you are welcome to send private message to me. Tell me why does locking a post make you feel so bad. And what you need for help.
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Hm...I've decided that my fav water pkmn is...
LAPRAS and SEALEO...
er....still 2...
Argh~~~~ *escapes*

dqle
May 29th, 2004, 02:06 PM
I'm not gonna ask...

Anyways, to get back on topic, I'd think that Feraligator would be the best of the three starters. Blastoise just doesn't seem to have that high of a Sp. Attack. And I can keep on complaining about Swampert's Speed. It's horrendous.

Now, for other Water type Pokmon, of course, Kyogre takes the spot. Very good Sp. Attack and has ability to make Thunder always hit and power up Hydro Pump. (Too bad it can't leard Hydro Cannon, FR/LG water move only for Blastoise) If I can't choose legendaries, then Starmie makes it to the top of the list. Starmie has incredible speed, a nice Sp. Attack rating, and can learn four different type moves! (Water, Psychic, Electric, and Ice) Basically another Mewtwo if you can recall from Pokmon Stadium, just not as strong.

PokePal3000
May 30th, 2004, 09:58 AM
Hey Jynx what do you caRE about me.Stay out off this .And by the way Im not gonna rest until pickachu FART38 is banned completely out of this forum.That guy is probably trying to plot against me.And I am a girl retard

Kayleigh
May 30th, 2004, 10:16 AM
Hey its that asshole pikachufan38 guy that told them to close my thread.I hate you son of a *****.And I also hate that other modereator that closed my thread "kaylighe".Youre provably are some loosers with no friends.I HATE YOU Thanks for making my alraedy miserable life more miserableYou think so? That reeaaally bothers me, knowing that someone like you dislikes me. All of your posts in this thread really show how immature you are. Just because I closed your thread, doesn't mean that I dislike you. (Though, now I do, just so you know.) And because of this, you're getting your sorry spamming butt banned. Not Pikachu Fan 38, like you wish, but you! Sayonara, loser!

Pikachu Fan38
May 30th, 2004, 10:23 AM
Thanks Kayleigh and Jynx too

Kayleigh
May 30th, 2004, 10:25 AM
No problem. I'll be glad when she gets banned. ^_^ I can't stand people like that; they're so immature if they would get mad over something so silly, like she did.

Aggron91
May 30th, 2004, 10:47 AM
No problem. I'll be glad when she gets banned. ^_^ I can't stand people like that; they're so immature if they would get mad over something so silly, like she did.


wehey, he was a bit of a nut case wasnt he

Kayleigh
May 30th, 2004, 11:19 AM
Yeah, lol. I think that she had some issues.

Anyways, to get back on topic, I personally like Swampert for battling. Electric attacks won't effect it, and it learns several powerful ground-type moves.

But for my favorite? That's hard to choose! I like Gyarados a lot, even it it isn't very... cute. It would still be fun to have one, though. Same with Kyogre! And of course, I like all of the cute ones. Squirtle, Mudkip, Seel, Dewgong, etc.

_fr0z3n_
May 30th, 2004, 12:06 PM
Well... my personal favorite is Vaporeon because it's one of the best hazers (IMO) and because it's a cute blue kitty @_@ *huggles Vaporeon* but probably the strongest is Kyogre (Auto Rain Dance, 100% Accuracy Thunder, Great SpAt/SpDef, Calm Mind, etc).

Aggron91
May 30th, 2004, 12:10 PM
Yeah, lol. I think that she had some issues.

Anyways, to get back on topic, I personally like Swampert for battling. Electric attacks won't effect it, and it learns several powerful ground-type moves.

But for my favorite? That's hard to choose! I like Gyarados a lot, even it it isn't very... cute. It would still be fun to have one, though. Same with Kyogre! And of course, I like all of the cute ones. Squirtle, Mudkip, Seel, Dewgong, etc.


ah i just remembered chinouchou and lanturn, they turn elelctrcity in to hp, now thts a gd move

ryan
May 30th, 2004, 04:21 PM
kingdra's pretty tight because his only weakness (unless i'm overlooking something) is dragon. he's not too strong and doesn't learn too many attacks, but i love him just the way he is... (a wrinkled up seadra)
and wow... i've never seen anybody that brutal on PC... over on rangerboard that sort of thing happens all the time (no control *sigh*)

Ceo
May 31st, 2004, 02:39 AM
{dun be rough on a lady man.......can't u guys imagine wat will happen after you break her feelings....have any one check her pro.file?.....nah just joking.....but Kayleigh, dun u think u could say those 'words' in a nice way?.......}
any way.........i like tough water pokemons like Wailord, Kyogre, Blastoise, Gyarados.....Yeah!! >:(

dqle
May 31st, 2004, 05:42 AM
Whoa, I've seen people talk trash, but could you please not use them since you are a moderator? I mean, aren't you supposed to uphold order in the forums?

Anyways, here's my opinion on some Water types:

Kyogre: Besides being a legendary, it really doesn't have any weakpoints. (herego, the cheapness factor)

Swampert: Probably one of the slowest Pokmon I know. Fair Defense and Sp. Defense, but its Attack and Sp. Attack aren't so impressive. Also takes quadrupal damage from Grass type moves.

Gyarados: Again, not too fast. Pretty hefty Attack and Sp. Attack, but stinks in Defense. Gets fried, literally, by Electric attacks (again, quadruple damage)

Blastoise: Good Defense and Sp. Defense, not so good in everything else. Only learns Normal and Water type moves natrually. Once FR/LG comes out, it'll learn the strongest Water move in the Pokmon series thus far.

Starmie: My personal favorite Pokmon. It's among the fastest of Pokmon, except Electric types. Also has a decent Sp. Attack, therefore I stuck it with four different types of moves: Water, Psychic, Electric, and Ice. Basically has a move that'll effect all Pokmon, if not Super Effective. Unfortunately, It doesn't have a good HP rating as well as a good defense. But with moves like those, it's hard to lose. (except those cursed Milotics...)

Kingdra: Average in everything, but doesn't excel in anything. Very good speed, but that's about it.

Lanturn: Pretty decent Pokmon since it can power up both Water and Electric type moves and can absorb Electric moves for HP if it has the right ability. Other than having an impressive max HP, it's other stats are way below average compared to others.

Wailord: I don't like this Pokmon. It only has a high HP count. That's it.

Kayleigh
May 31st, 2004, 06:29 PM
Actually, if you had read any of her posts, you would notice that she was saying far worse things than me. It was not like I was cursing her out or anything, and I wasn't really in the mood to just tell her to, 'Pleeeeease stop! Please!' Sometimes, when you're dealing with people like that, you have to get pretty rude. She deserved everything that was said to her, along with that ban.

KURA&KILL_Hunter
May 31st, 2004, 08:12 PM
Number1:Gyarados(My team has him! I think,he is the best water pokemon!)
Number2:Feraligatr(Very good attack and HP!)
Number3:Golduck(Great! He's in my team!)

Jeikobu
June 1st, 2004, 11:54 AM
Out of the starters Kamex is probably my favorite, but Numaclaw is also great. The part-Ground element is nice in blocking Electric attacks (though it makes it very vulnerable to Grass).
Out of any Pokemon, Kyogre is best. But non-legendary, there are several good ones like Lapras and Miloclos, for example. But I like Lanturn and Dewgong, as you can see by my sig. Lanturn's Volt Absorb is very handy in eliminating the weakness to Electric attacks.

Pikachu Fan38
June 1st, 2004, 06:28 PM
That PokePal3000 girl was really weird.The only thing I did to her was to tell
a mod to close a thread she made that was useless.Then she went all crazy.But
back in topic, I really like Squirtle because he is cute but he is not powerful

^^NICK^^ v.3.0
June 1st, 2004, 07:08 PM
Squirtle is my favortie water type! I love the originals! It's literally cool, and tough, yet adorable. My favorite out of R/S is ...what's the crab's name? I forgot, but the one Ash has.

Aggron91
June 2nd, 2004, 05:00 AM
Squirtle is my favortie water type! I love the originals! It's literally cool, and tough, yet adorable. My favorite out of R/S is ...what's the crab's name? I forgot, but the one Ash has.


corfish or something i think

Lucifer
June 2nd, 2004, 05:36 AM
Swampert: Probably one of the slowest Pokmon I know. Fair Defense and Sp. Defense, but its Attack and Sp. Attack aren't so impressive. Also takes quadrupal damage from Grass type moves.

Gyarados: Again, not too fast. Pretty hefty Attack and Sp. Attack, but stinks in Defense. Gets fried, literally, by Electric attacks (again, quadruple damage)

You, err, really need to read up on your stats mate. Gyarados has a terrible Special Attack, average Defence and high Special Defence. Swampert is also far (read: FAR) from the slowest Pokemon around. Or even slow enough to make it into the top 10 snail racers. It also has a high Attack stat. It's far from low.

Kingdra also doesn't excel in Speed. It's his worst stat.

Hinoshi-chan
June 2nd, 2004, 06:08 AM
Out of the ones you have said there, Swamepert happens to be a very useful pokemon, For its Water/ground abilities.
But for me!. ( personally after raising a heared of pokemon )
Would Have to say :
.:Kyogre:.
These powerful beasts are extremmly useful! They have most useful attacks . Like Hydro pump, and sheer cold!. It is a powerful spcl atk ( But alot of people have already said about him )

Though, I find the Vaporeon pokemon to be a powerful beast! Mine being lvl 100 ( on crystal )
Extremmly useful to battle with, and can help alot to!

Golduck's are most useful to! With there Psychic attacks! But, if I were to say..what Is the best...It would probably Be Vaporeon!

the least best , I would say Gyarados! These things are a pain, And horrible to raise..I mean, are they even pokemon?! I find them to be a waste of time, only good for begginers ( i hate them lol ) I was battling a lvl 40 ( I was making note, it was in the wild...so It was weaker ) Against My little Pichu (lvl15 ), And it was one thunderbolt that took it down!..Iim sure there uselfuul to some people..but plainley, not to me!

Goten Shy
June 2nd, 2004, 06:11 AM
Staryu all the way. It has Electric powers, Psychic, and water, and can use alot of the HM moves in the games i think ^^ =P

dqle
June 2nd, 2004, 08:58 AM
Uh, it can use all of the water HM's.

Sorry. I haven't played Pokmon Stadium 2 recently...

OK, to argue with Swampert. I now remember that it's speed is decent, but definately not fast enough to stop any of the other Pokmon that can cream it, especially Sceptile. Didn't remember Kindra's stats, other than it outran my Pokmon .(well, at least Igglybuff and Pichu...)

And are you sure that Gyrados has a high Sp. Defence? I remember Earl's Pokmon Academy in Pokmon Stadium 2, where you have to use the Pokmon with the right items. A level 50 Pikachu with Light Ball against a level 80 Gyrados. It lost in one turn against Thunderbolt. A Gyrados that high of a level should at least survive one attack.

Goten Shy
June 2nd, 2004, 09:02 AM
Well there, it is the most usful pokemon in the game :p

jirachi_pt
June 2nd, 2004, 09:05 AM
I think Vaporeon is a really good water Pokemon.

Goten Shy
June 2nd, 2004, 09:08 AM
It scares me... It owould be all rubbery and stuff. But i suppose they are good. Staryu is da best still though. And all rounder with no weakness just about, It can fight of grass with psychic, electric with phsychic, use electric moves...so its da best!

Lucifer
June 2nd, 2004, 09:44 AM
Uh, it can use all of the water HM's.

Sorry. I haven't played Pokmon Stadium 2 recently...

OK, to argue with Swampert. I now remember that it's speed is decent, but definately not fast enough to stop any of the other Pokmon that can cream it, especially Sceptile. Didn't remember Kindra's stats, other than it outran my Pokmon .(well, at least Igglybuff and Pichu...)

And are you sure that Gyrados has a high Sp. Defence? I remember Earl's Pokmon Academy in Pokmon Stadium 2, where you have to use the Pokmon with the right items. A level 50 Pikachu with Light Ball against a level 80 Gyrados. It lost in one turn against Thunderbolt. A Gyrados that high of a level should at least survive one attack.

Swampert's Speed is still bad. He's just not the slowest.

And yeah, Gyarados has a base stat 100 in Sp Def, which is just into the "high" territory. Pikachu's Light Ball doubles its Sp Atk, and what with Gyarados' 4x weakness to electricity, of course it's going to KO him in one hit.