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Posted September 6th, 2009 at 8:03 AM by Anti

I know, long time, no see, right? People often complain about how S&M is dead, and while there isn't much we can do about that (after all, we cannot control who decides to frequent in the section), I figured that I might as well start using this again to maybe, possibly start some discussion. Honestly, I am still a bit puzzled by the failure of the Metagame Discussion Thread, and the best conclusion I can come to is that it failed because it was too bland or boring in some way. Hopefully I can overcome that by the sheer force of my personality and strong opinions, and make this blog an interesting read and discussion starter.

As for this post, I just want comments about what this could be used for. I'll certainly be talking about my problems with trends in S&M (AKA move descriptions in RMTs, what in the world is that about?), why I think certain Pokémon suck (I'm looking at you, Porygon2), tier movements, and basically anything I want assuming it's appropriate and within what I should be saying. Of course, I might end up letting this die again (depending on how interested I am in keeping this alive and how interested everyone else is in reading it).

So there you go. I'll start posting in this soon and maybe something good will come out of it, I don't know. lol so yeah, I'll probably start ripping Porygon2 soon. It is really freaking horrible.

Oh, and there is also the Anti's America section, which I probably won't use much. It's basically my opinions on the messed up country that is the United States of America, why both political parties suck (especially the Republicans), and what I would change if I had the power to. You might as well know now since I'll be running for president in 30 years :3 I'll probably add some more categories like stuff for my Battle Frontier entries if I get bored, but I doubt you care about Fissure Dugtrio 3-0ing my team (which did happen by the way, awesome job Nintendo).
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    Dark Azelf's Avatar
    Can we please move Garchomp down now kthnx (Manaphy is uber) :x lol
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 8:17 AM by Dark Azelf Dark Azelf is offline
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    BeachBoy's Avatar
    GARCHOMP TES NUZT UBUR!!!11! - D_A a year ago during the debate.

    Eat your words, mortal. D:


    Anyway, I'd like to get involved too. I know my Battle Frontier thread as kind of fell by the way side because I can't update it (screw you firefox >:O), but I certainly want to return to helping out a section I'll always have a passion for. I may not be in the know of the competitive battling scene lately, but certainly there must be something.

    Also, I feel a revamp of the stickies is in order. I dunno, new design, flare, etc. But maybe that's just my obsessive need to work on stickies with format. (I'll never know why)

    Anywho, you could use this blog to address common desires, threats, etc of the competitive battling community, maybe talk about the sheer complaints S&M receives, what it's really like to be an S&M moderator (stick it to em >:O) etc. I dunno, there's endless ideas that could be used for a blog that doesn't have bounds.
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 8:44 AM by BeachBoy BeachBoy is offline
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    Dark Azelf's Avatar
    GARCHOMP TES NUZT UBUR!!!11! - D_A a year ago during the debate.

    Eat your words, mortal. D:
    Eat me. ^__~

    You good sir need to get back into battling, we should have a server up soon so yeah you have no excuse not to. @_@

    Then i can wall your entire team with a Lickilicky again rofl ! -runs-

    what it's really like to be an S&M moderator
    *What its like to be an elf.

    Can we move onto how much things suck now, like p2, tenta and how they both sweep pokedra lol
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 9:49 AM by Dark Azelf Dark Azelf is offline
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    BeachBoy's Avatar
    As I recall, Celebi beat Licky, so shut it, Mr. Low PP.

    And I like that idea, the progression from stable to weak ling or vise versa?
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 10:05 AM by BeachBoy BeachBoy is offline
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    Dark Azelf's Avatar
    If i only had Toxic on Licki D:

    And not from really being stable, more along the lines of being overated. Like the only reason Tenta is OU is because it beats Mixape (but what doesnt lol?) and because of Obi's stall team, other than that its kinda useless that and p2 beats all of 5 pokes and anti always calls it Pursuit weak. XD
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 10:31 AM by Dark Azelf Dark Azelf is offline
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    Anti's Avatar
    how they both sweep pokedra

    People don't realize why S&M is strict and why everything is in place. The fact that people actually agreed with MobileTsk is scary. Are people just clueless or easy to persuade? That's a good idea. Actually, I was thinking of S&M suggestion box (though I'll probably shoot most of them down since most of the suggestion PMs I get I just forget about and/or ignore lol).

    And Porygon2 is Pursuit weak. Tyranitar is just like lolololololol. If Weavile wasn't so status/metagame weak it would be a perfect counter to Porygon2. It's like Porygon-Z only it's hyped up. When ScarfTran and DDMence were the craze in early Plat it was probably a little better, but Heatran can easily beat it and MixMence is much more common now. Tentacruel was never good and is basically only useful as death fodder since that's all it can do. It's basically only good as a secondary Pokemon. If you rely on it to beat anything bar MixApe, you're basically screwing yourself over. Every time I see it I'm just like "lol, I'll set up my sweeper while you spam Toxic spikes"

    Ooooo maybe I should save the hate for later lol

    Oh, I updated the threat list sticky a couple of weeks ago, so I'm a step ahead of you honey. The team building guide I intentionally made very broad (though I should add dual screeners as a role), so it applies regardless of the metagame conditions. The EV guide...I know nothing about Power anklets and stuff since I'm a 3rd gen player, but you can go crazy with the formatting. The RMT guide...people need to follow that more since a lot of our RMTs aren't any good. Comments still usually aren't up to scratch and it makes me mad since they aren't hard to do at all. Unfortunately, it's a lose-lose situation since we can't disallow every RMT with subpar comments since we'd basically be shooting our own activity to the point of practically killing our own forum. You can update the formats if you want, but it's not really necessary imo. Tell me if anything is out of date or if something needs to be added and I'll get on it though.
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 10:43 AM by Anti Anti is offline
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    BeachBoy's Avatar
    D_A, if Licky had Toxic, with your luck, all of them would've missed. ololol

    And here's a thought, how about a group blog? We have that feature available, ya'know, all S&M staff (including luke, if he wants) can participate in this. We can advertise it via something and really use these excellent opportunities to address such hilarious agreements w/ tsk. I dunno, just a thought.
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 10:49 AM by BeachBoy BeachBoy is offline
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    Anti's Avatar
    idk, D_A, Luke Bear, and I...we're totally different lol. I'd be cool with them being "advertised" together but I kind of would like to keep the individuality of the blogs intact. D_A never uses his anyway (what a ginger) and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who really wants to talk Pokemon (as my blog's title suggests hehe).

    I was actually flirting with the idea of organizing tournaments (8 people each) for get-togethers on the server, but I'm still pretty down on it since I have no faith that our members will get over their fear of time zones (which is ridiculous and easy to avoid, frankly) and their busy schedules. So if either of you (or Luke Bear) want to do it and want me to host it, that's fine, but I probably won't have much to do with it beyond possible ideas for the theme of each one since I spent way too much time and effort for what essentially failed completely in the Shoddy Lounge. =(
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 11:03 AM by Anti Anti is offline
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    BeachBoy's Avatar
    You're making my point for me, we are different, I find that to be a good thing. D_A doesn't use his, meaning we all could take control of it. We could use the blog to update things like rules changes, S&M community discussion night, I dunno, I've got soooo many ideas. XD

    And I think we should try that, we need to spice S&M up again, and I think tournaments are nice incentives, we just need to handle them... well, differently. I dunno...
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 11:10 AM by BeachBoy BeachBoy is offline
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    Anti's Avatar
    But this is an opinion-driven, personality-driven blog, not one that's supposed to be official. Actually, the point of me making use of this was to bypass everything formal and official about S&M. Combining them all is, in my opinion at least, undermining the individuality of each person's writing style, personality, and opinions. Things like rule changes (not like anybody cares about the rules anyway) can just be updated in S&M. Blogifying S&M just makes things harder to access, not easier. Like I said (or maybe I didn't, idk lol), this is basically an independent and individual blog fueled by my opinions alone essentially. Combining our blogs (especially when they focus on different things/are written by totally different people) is like combining Austria and Hungary plus a ton of different little minorities, and that didn't work out very well. I don't see how I'm making your point...any kind of "official" blog would be better in S&M. The last thing I want to do is to tie things that our members should be knowing about to blogs. Keeping it in one place is better.

    As for tournaments done in S&M itself, you're going to have to remove me as moderator before that happens. Our members clearly aren't going to put in ANY kind of effort to make them work, so why should we? The only way it's going to work is threatening with infractions and serious punishments, and I'm not comfortable doing that.
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 11:26 AM by Anti Anti is offline
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    BeachBoy's Avatar
    Maybe I should just shut up and stop getting involved with S&M.

    ... XD
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 11:34 AM by BeachBoy BeachBoy is offline
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    Dark Azelf's Avatar
    Can i also bash Skymin in this thread and address its Bullet Punch weakness ?

    Idk, about tourneys we could be more aggressive with them as in you dont meet the deadline you're our and a sub's in no questions asked and not threaten it, just do it.

    On a side note, if/when we get the new server up you guys gonna be on and battle (im looking at you beachy) or just waste oxygen ? =P lolol
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 11:36 AM by Dark Azelf Dark Azelf is offline
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    Anti's Avatar
    It's kewl BeachBear, suggestions always welcome. I just always shoot them down =( lol

    And yeah I battle, I'll probably just test stuff though. Battling still isn't my favorite thing to do lol.

    And still no on the tournaments. That will probably just scare members away from them since there would have to be a zero tolerance policy...that's why I figured that if we brought them back in any way it would be here, where it would be unofficial and failure wouldn't really be a big deal. If we were to do it I figure it would be in conjunction with the server (in other words, we'd put it in the welcome text and take sign-ups there as well and then schedule a time for all 8 participants to get on and do it to avoid failure).

    Remember that this is just an experiment right now, so I think maybe we should just see how it goes and then react accordingly, because methinks we're getting ahead of ourselves hehe
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 11:45 AM by Anti Anti is offline
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    Dark Azelf's Avatar
    I guess that would work.

    Im just thinking though, the get together tourney was a suddess, idk why but it was. I think it was mainly because cherii annoyed everyone into getting their matches done. Im just thinking of how we could carry this over to other tourneys, idk maybe because it was more "official" and thus people were more inclined to get them done ? I dunno lol
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 11:54 AM by Dark Azelf Dark Azelf is offline
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    Anti's Avatar
    "OFFICIAL PC TOURNAMENT - GET YOUR MATCHES DONE!" was official enough for me. I mean, you did just send me a VM about loosening up S&M. If our tournaments need monitoring this tight to even have a chance at succeeding, we clearly aren't ready as a community to implement them. After all, the idea of the Shoddy Lounge was great, but it was the lack of effort and participation that sunk it.

    And the tournament was kind of ish a success. There were problems (Ooka, Aur'a computer, my sudden company), 2 of which came with the 1-day deadline, which basically forced people to get their matches done. Still, I don't want lightning round tournaments with no flexibility. That takes the fun out of it. Besides, is it really worth the effort when nothing will come out of it in all likelihood and you win all of them anyway lol? I mean you do lmao

    tl;dr: Tournaments suck, they added no significant (if any) activity to S&M and added nothing cool to do. they failed, plain and simple. Strictness, controlled match-ups for the sake of time zones, and even begging didn't help. It's kind of hard to do when our population is tiny and a lot of the people who come on only come on about an hour every day but sign up for the tournaments anyway. Total waste of time.
    Posted September 6th, 2009 at 12:03 PM by Anti Anti is offline
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    Azonic's Avatar
    Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf View Comment
    I guess that would work.

    Im just thinking though, the get together tourney was a suddess, idk why but it was. I think it was mainly because cherii annoyed everyone into getting their matches done. Im just thinking of how we could carry this over to other tourneys, idk maybe because it was more "official" and thus people were more inclined to get them done ? I dunno lol

    I barely did any annoying tbh lol. XD All it was was a reminder PM. That's it. If they didn't meet the deadline, they're out.

    Posted September 8th, 2009 at 1:53 PM by Azonic Azonic is offline

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