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    Slacktivism

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    Originally Posted by shenanigans View Comment
    I think the thing that bothers me the most about it is how terrorism is now apparently a social media sensation. Maybe it's just because social media is becoming a more major part of our lives and is more integrated into everything we do, but I feel like there's something deeply wrong when, at the first sign of tragedy, people take to their profiles posting trending hashtags and changing their profile pictures. As you say, it's not helping anybody, and the only benefit of it that I see to anybody is that... it makes people feel good about themselves. Based on terrorism. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but that just seems so inherently wrong to me.

    Then further to that you've got the people playing the "what about [x other disaster]???" card. They're doing as little as everyone else, and just starting controversy in the process. If anything that's worse than just following the trend and posting French flags everywhere - it's certainly multiple times more more disrespectful. Earlier today I saw someone change their profile picture to one overlaid by like, 80 different flags, and I just... kinda wondered why. It's like people care more about grabbing some sort of fake moral high-ground than they do about actually fixing whatever it is that they care oh-so-much about.
    I agree. I tried to avoid the term in my post because it's kind of crass, but the term I like to use to describe this is "intellectual masturbation." I really feel like a lot of people just do this kind of stuff so they can feel good about themselves. They probably do feel bad, too, but not bad enough to actually aid in any tangible way.
    Posted November 17th, 2015 at 11:30 AM by twocows twocows is offline
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    Slacktivism

    I think the thing that bothers me the most about it is how terrorism is now apparently a social media sensation. Maybe it's just because social media is becoming a more major part of our lives and is more integrated into everything we do, but I feel like there's something deeply wrong when, at the first sign of tragedy, people take to their profiles posting trending hashtags and changing their profile pictures. As you say, it's not helping anybody, and the only benefit of it that I see to anybody is that... it makes people feel good about themselves. Based on terrorism. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but that just seems so inherently wrong to me.

    Then further to that you've got the people playing the "what about [x other disaster]???" card. They're doing as little as everyone else, and just starting controversy in the process. If anything that's worse than just following the trend and posting French flags everywhere - it's certainly multiple times more more disrespectful. Earlier today I saw someone change their profile picture to one overlaid by like, 80 different flags, and I just... kinda wondered why. It's like people care more about grabbing some sort of fake moral high-ground than they do about actually fixing whatever it is that they care oh-so-much about.
    Posted November 17th, 2015 at 10:56 AM by Razor Leaf Razor Leaf is offline
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    Media misrepresentation of #gamergate

    This is a pretty interesting article about the philosophy behind what's going on. http://risemiaminews.com/2015/08/lon...entity-crisis/
    Posted August 25th, 2015 at 11:32 AM by twocows twocows is offline
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    Media misrepresentation of #gamergate

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    Originally Posted by TG View Comment
    I think it's more of an issue of media bias. Mainstream media tends to seek out and sensationalize anything against popular opinion. They get people stirred up over nonsense. This leaves people being persecuted for their actions or beliefs.

    In this case, Gamergate was antagonized because of a small group of people who said things that weren't nice. The media jumps on the fallacy of Guilt by Association to make the gaming community look bad. Look on Tumblr, the SJW presence is strong there. Not many people are defending the community. #Gamergate, to them, is an evil group of bigots.

    Nowadays, you have to dot your i's because if you don't, someone will find a way to antagonize you for your &quot;mistake&quot;.
    That's exactly how I feel. It's really unfair. We'll keep working to achieve our goals, though. We have no other choice.
    Posted August 24th, 2015 at 3:17 PM by twocows twocows is offline
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    Media misrepresentation of #gamergate

    I think it's more of an issue of media bias. Mainstream media tends to seek out and sensationalize anything against popular opinion. They get people stirred up over nonsense. This leaves people being persecuted for their actions or beliefs.

    In this case, Gamergate was antagonized because of a small group of people who said things that weren't nice. The media jumps on the fallacy of Guilt by Association to make the gaming community look bad. Look on Tumblr, the SJW presence is strong there. Not many people are defending the community. #Gamergate, to them, is an evil group of bigots.

    Nowadays, you have to dot your i's because if you don't, someone will find a way to antagonize you for your "mistake".
    Posted August 24th, 2015 at 9:34 AM by
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    Media misrepresentation of #gamergate

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    Originally Posted by Cherrim View Comment
    people... still give gg the time of day? on either side??

    imo it was rotten from the start. If it was really about corrupt journalism, I truly don't understand why people still clung to the name once it became "clear" to just about everyone that it was about running women out of video game spaces. (Whether it was or not, that's how it appeared to literally everyone who didn't jump on the movement. So it just seems ridiculous that anyone would stick with the poison name/movement instead of making something new to accomplish the goals of... uncorrupting journalism?)

    To me, the "fringe" of gg always seemed like the people who were genuinely in it for the sole purpose of... whatever you listed, not the other way around. So it's not surprising to me that it would be reported this way in the general media. :/
    Go to the forums where we're talking about things, listen to the discussions we're having. SPJ Airplay was just last week, it was several days of discussions about what we think is wrong and how we think it should be fixed and it was open to both sides because we don't like excluding people from the conversation (the converse cannot be said to be true). Look on YouTube, look up videos posted by people from our movement, look at what they're discussing, listen to their podcasts. I'll tell you what they're not discussing: they're not discussing how to drive women out of the games industry. I know because I listen to these conversations all the time. What they (and we) are discussing is bad journalism and a desire to maintain creative and political freedom and independence in our hobby. These people you're talking about who attack women? They're your typical trolls and idiots who pop in wherever they can cause damage to say rude things. They're not producing content, they're not driving the discussion. They're not a part of our community or our movement to any significant degree, they're just there to stir up trouble. And they're a vast, vast minority. They also exist in the anti-gamergate movement (I would say they're even more common there), but we don't paint that movement as being one of hateful sexists who want to marginalize men in the industry, even if some of them are exactly that. Honestly, I think most anti-gamergaters are ignorant of what we're about and the discussions we're having on our side. They're listening to what our critics say about us rather than what we're actually saying.

    At worst, I'll admit that many of the people in our movement are antisocial. They don't know how to convey their intentions without sounding too severe and they'll often say things that aren't socially acceptable. That's because we're a movement full of people who are socially awkward and don't get out much. But not being able to express yourself clearly or saying something in a tactless manner doesn't mean you're a bad person and it doesn't make you wrong.

    For instance... find a single example of trying to drive women out of the industry in this video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62euQFWuQGc
    Posted August 24th, 2015 at 4:19 AM by twocows twocows is offline
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    Media misrepresentation of #gamergate

    dunno it seems to be pretty clear cut what the mission of #gamergate is/was lmao
    Posted August 23rd, 2015 at 10:58 PM by Harley Quinn Harley Quinn is online now
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    Media misrepresentation of #gamergate

    people... still give gg the time of day? on either side??

    imo it was rotten from the start. If it was really about corrupt journalism, I truly don't understand why people still clung to the name once it became "clear" to just about everyone that it was about running women out of video game spaces. (Whether it was or not, that's how it appeared to literally everyone who didn't jump on the movement. So it just seems ridiculous that anyone would stick with the poison name/movement instead of making something new to accomplish the goals of... uncorrupting journalism?)

    To me, the "fringe" of gg always seemed like the people who were genuinely in it for the sole purpose of... whatever you listed, not the other way around. So it's not surprising to me that it would be reported this way in the general media. :/
    Posted August 23rd, 2015 at 5:06 PM by Cherrim Cherrim is offline
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    Media misrepresentation of #gamergate

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    Originally Posted by Moogles View Comment
    Literally not to be rude at all (I haven't been paying attention) but I had no idea #gamergate was still a relevant thing so I'm more surprised at NPR covering it lol.
    Nah, it's cool. We're still doing our thing. In the end, though, I just want to play video games.
    Posted August 23rd, 2015 at 3:54 PM by twocows twocows is offline
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    Media misrepresentation of #gamergate

    Literally not to be rude at all (I haven't been paying attention) but I had no idea #gamergate was still a relevant thing so I'm more surprised at NPR covering it lol.
    Posted August 23rd, 2015 at 2:54 PM by Star-Lord Star-Lord is offline
  11. Old Comment
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    EXERCISE

    Thanks!
    Posted August 23rd, 2014 at 5:10 PM by twocows twocows is offline
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    EXERCISE

    Seriously, that's awesome. Good on you!
    Posted August 22nd, 2014 at 8:51 PM by donavannj donavannj is offline
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    EXERCISE

    Proud of you.
    Posted August 22nd, 2014 at 6:11 PM by Patchisou Yutohru Patchisou Yutohru is offline
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    Let go

    game making takes too looooong
    Posted July 10th, 2014 at 6:18 AM by twocows twocows is offline
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    Let go

    so are we making an official spheal game
    Posted July 10th, 2014 at 5:56 AM by Christos Christos is offline
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    Let go

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    Originally Posted by twocows View Comment
    I wasn't bored the past few times I've had long stretches of unused time. I tend to make good use of my time, whether for entertainment or productivity.
    I suppose unemployment is a very good time to learn a new skill.

    And I guess my boredom mostly stemmed from having to conserve my money for job fairs at a time when most of my hobbies required money to go and do.
    Posted July 4th, 2014 at 9:12 PM by donavannj donavannj is offline
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    Let go

    I wasn't bored the past few times I've had long stretches of unused time. I tend to make good use of my time, whether for entertainment or productivity.
    Posted July 4th, 2014 at 2:32 PM by twocows twocows is offline
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    Let go

    I wasn't even out a month the last two times I was without work and I was extremely bored 2 weeks in.
    Posted July 3rd, 2014 at 5:59 PM by donavannj donavannj is offline
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    Let go

    I promise you you will get bored.
    Posted July 3rd, 2014 at 5:44 PM by Patchisou Yutohru Patchisou Yutohru is offline
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    Let go

    Yeah, collecting unemployment. I don't get bored, though, so I'm fine.

    Basically, boss didn't like how much I elevated support requests to him.
    Posted July 3rd, 2014 at 1:40 PM by twocows twocows is offline

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