May 27th, 2010 2:46 AMFox♠
Have a cup of "Jesus H christ grow up you're not in my league"
May 26th, 2010 5:08 PMPkMnTrainer Yellow
Have a cup of silent treatment...
May 26th, 2010 4:54 PMFox♠
Point out where I ever hinted that at said angle you could survive. I said you would have to completely botch the angle, therefore it wouldn't even be the same thing. You clearly have 0 understanding of guns and just as little understanding of physics, the human body and how to debate properly. Go away, do some research and grow up. A lot.
May 26th, 2010 4:52 PMPkMnTrainer Yellow
Yeah, whatever Fox. =/
May 26th, 2010 4:47 PMFox♠
I've always maintained the same stance on the angle. You have no retorts of any worth so you claim I'm badgering. Whatever, you're clearly an immature child who got into the deep end without a life buoy.
May 26th, 2010 4:33 PMPkMnTrainer Yellow
No. You didn't say "properly aimed". You're changing your argument when you realize you mess up.
And since you're resorting to badgering me, we're done here, Fox. =/
May 26th, 2010 3:38 PMFox♠
You're taking things out of context. There is no way to survive a properly aimed shot through the roof of your mouth. We're talking 101% chance of death. If you held the gun so it was facing your throat then yes, but that's not what anyone was saying. You don't know your facts, you're twisting words and you're way out of your depth. The action and following reaction of the bullet being fired is enough to kill yourself with, add to that the bullet itself. Do the math, stop making straw man arguments.
I used JFk because it's the most well documented video of someone being shot in the head that is readilly avaliable. It more than proves what I've being saying.
May 26th, 2010 3:33 PMPkMnTrainer Yellow
No. There is a separate video where a politician commits suicide on live TV with a gun in his mouth. JFK was in no way involved. I just thought it seemed like the most relevant video I could think of considering what we were talking about.
You admitted it. There's nothing more to discuss. The chance isn't 0. You blatantly admitted it.
Furthermore, you admitted it again! You contradicted yourself in the process! "Nearly always" literally means it isn't 0%.
Fox, you obviously see how I was right. The respectful thing to do is to admit the truth in what I said. Unless you intend to badger me until I no longer respond. =/
May 26th, 2010 1:58 PMFox♠
You'd have to aim the gun completely wrong, even then chances are you'd die. If you would actually stop using strawman arguments and look at the logistics you'd realise how right I am. I have enough friends in the forces with enough knowledge on firearms to know that even through the forehead (however its extremely difficult to kill yourself that way) a gunshot is nearly always fatal.
And no, the JFK assination wasn't suicide, he was shot by unkown gunmen. Google it.
May 26th, 2010 1:50 PMPkMnTrainer Yellow
That does not even insinuate a certain angle.
You say ignorance like it's a bad thing. Like right now, I'm ignoring rude comments. That, makes me ignorant.
You admitted it was possible to botch the attempt. What more needs to be said?
I thought perhaps the video you posted was that one where a politician commits suicide in exactly that fashion on live TV. /shudder
May 26th, 2010 1:44 PMFox♠
He said if you shot yourself through the head with the entry point being your mouth you would die, which you would. I've given you facts which you've chosen to ignore with your ignorance.
May 26th, 2010 1:35 PMPkMnTrainer Yellow
The angle was not said. It was not specific enough. I think my point is made.
May 26th, 2010 1:30 PMFox♠
Vendak clearly said a shot through the head, a shot through the head at that angle is a 100% chance of death. You would have to shoot at a different angle (thereofre botching it) for it to not be a 101% of death
May 26th, 2010 11:45 AMPkMnTrainer Yellow
But you just admitted the chance wasn't zero.
See, by saying it's always zero you'd be assuming someone couldn't botch it and lived, which isn't really the case because as you said it's possible.
I mean we could say that if so and so is destroyed they're dead but the fact is so and so is not necessarily destroyed just because someone shoots.
I'm aware that shooting yourself in the mouth is deadlier. I'm just saying, it's not an absolute 100% chance. There is room for error.
May 26th, 2010 10:47 AMFox♠
The chance is actually zero. The combustion of the bullet itself alongside the action of the handgun is enough to dislocate/break the jaw and shatter the back of the skull/tip of the spine. The bullet itself would rip through the brain and the nervous system. The ONLY way someone could survive is if they botched it and aimed low and it exited below the back of the skull, however this would still cause near fatal injuries and would still wreck the spinal cord, resulting in probabal death anyway.
Also that video was JFK's assination, he was shot with a rifle albeit, which is a far heavier and faster round, but given the distance similar physics can be applied to a handgun at point blank.