Conversation Between weedle_mchairybug and PorygonSquared
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March 24th, 2009 06:50 AMPorygonSquaredi374.photobucket.com/albums/oo182/fluffierkitten/maysavingmistyfromherdoominmastermi.jpg
October 15th, 2008 07:12 AMPorygonSquaredJust a last thing before I personally hand you a restraining order on me. I find it utterly incomprehensible how you can possibly throw that pneumothorax around so casually. To me, that is the mark of a spoiled brat. Actually, much worse than a spoiled brat that you don't care that you're alive, because most people would avoid trying to bring up such a traumatic event unless necessary.
Well, since telling the truth somehow registers as bashing in your synapses, feel free to ignore me to your ignore list, if you know how.
October 1st, 2008 07:07 PMPorygonSquaredI've already said I was done arguing with you after you still would not accept that your sidekick definition has been shot down despite proof of many sidekicks defeating your definition. If you even want me to have a slim chance of responding back to your userpage, I suggest you look at what I wrote about your analysis of Kiki's Delivery Service. In fact, I am unwilling to come back to friendly terms with you until you learn some humility. Good day.
September 28th, 2008 05:23 PMPorygonSquaredI was mainly referring to Porky Pig in the Duck Dodgers shorts and spinoff series, in which he usually picks up after Daffy's (Dodgers's) crazy antics. Don Quixote is a famous satire written by Miguel de Cervantes in the 16th century, and I'm surprised that you've never learned about it in English class. The Sancho-Quixote relationship is similar to Porky-Daffy. And the idea that sidekicks are generally cowards is not a fact. It is an ignorant opinion formed by someone with a limited exposure to media or one who defines sidekick by narrow, prejudiced parameters or both. Unfortunately, because I actually have something resembling a life, I cannot list every single sidekick that breaks your stupid definition. In fact, I know that your sidekick definition has been shot down by the Wikipedia article already, so I'm not even going to bother continuing an argument in which you persist in your fallacy despite the obvious proof to the contrary. To use my tired metaphor, it's like trying to use scientific evidence to argue with a creationist.
They were not throwing a bone to May. Ash has comparatively little experience in Contests, evidenced by his initially poor showing in his score. In fact, who exactly they threw the bone to, if at all, is entirely up to perception.
Here it comes: I never cared much for Misty. Happy now?
"Anyways, yeah, while I'm more tolerant of them, I would consider them "gender traitors""
*bangs head on wall* Next thing I know, you'll be ragging on Blackjack Gabbiani for actively participating and even helping the Serebii swimsuit thread.
The way you bring up Kiki's Delivery Service only serves to confirm that you are merely nitpicking to "prove" your point. As such, I am done arguing with a brick wall. Did you even care about the rest of the movie, especially about how the titular character saved a boy from certain doom? No, because there's only room for one so-called "feminist" character in your brain, isn't there? Oh well, I abdicate. You win, by default, if that qualifies as a satisfying victory for you. Keep hiding behind your preconceived notions while I go find someone to argue with who won't suck my life away.
September 27th, 2008 02:33 PMPorygonSquaredYou really don't get out enough if you think Pikachu and Robin are the only meaningful sidekicks. How about Porky Pig, who is often more rational and reasonable than the impulsive, greedy Daffy Duck? And Sancho Panza to Don Quixote, a historical example of a sidekick smarter than the protagonist? Heck, even Luigi has several moments where he does heroic things, especially in his very own game. I like sidekick characters, and the way you stereotype them is very narrow-minded and degrading.
I might point out that Blaziken has a type advantage to Sceptile, for one thing, but since you're nitpicking by going through every dang case, I don't even want to bother counteracting every single one of them. Secondly, the bizarre outcomes of the matches result from the writers having a predetermined victory/loss for the character, regardless of the circumstances. It is obvious that by letting Misty win over Ash, they were merely throwing a bone to her. Yes, they blatantly threw a bone to Dawn by letting her win over May as well, but all the other cases of "unfair" wins do not invalidate one case. Also, I thought you hated Cybercubed. Why would you use his words in an argument?
Dang my memory. I don't recall saying Misty was stale in Johto, but, at the risk of prolonging this mudslinging, I will say that I always regarded Misty as having little potential for development. Since she specializes in Water-types, that greatly limits her roster and activities she can participate in. I felt that the many events conveniently placed for Misty in Johto were the writers' attempts to "develop" her skills, but it just comes off as contrived.
You do not get the scientific method, do you? The hypothesis is put in place to have some guideline for analyzing the results. The conclusion is meant to either confirm or deny the hypothesis. Some people just get too religious over the hypothesis and thus ignore the conclusion if it denies the hypothesis, like creationists who are so determined to defeat evolution that they will deny any evidence pointing towards it and against their position.
The romance thing was not what I was referring to concerning CLAMP. Okay, if I have to be explicit, several of their mangas have "fanservice" moments, such as the titular character of Cardcaptor Sakura being dressed in various loli outfits and Chi from Chobits being used for some rather, er, dodgy moments. I was wondering if that made the CLAMP writers gender traitors to you, considering you seem to think that you are more feminist than women.
And the reason why I brought up Miyazaki? Do his movies have "female anime stereotypes" or anything similarly offensive to you?
September 27th, 2008 06:11 AMPorygonSquaredI ask again, do you know who Hayao Miyazaki is?
September 26th, 2008 08:45 PMPorygonSquaredI find it amusing that you regard "sidekick" as negative. In shows that I've watched, the sidekick tends to be the brains to the main character's brawn and even has heroic moments where the main protagonist fails. Sidekicks, written right, can serve many meaningful roles to the protagonist.
Wow, I get the impression you hate everything in the anime not pertaining to Misty. That's a sure sign of Fan Dumb (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanDumb) if you ask me, and I suggest you watch a more "realistic" anime if you feel the need to nitpick every dang flaw in this one.
You constantly point out all the continuity errors, but I regard Misty's win over Ash as poor writing because Ash knows about Psyduck's headaches. He also defeated Psyduck effectively in "Who Gets to Keep Togepi", so Misty's win this time seemed like a cop-out by the writers.
"Considering how he broke league rules and allowed his underaged son to go with a group of kids of whom only one of which he knows a lot about, It wouldn't have mattered anyways."
He didn't have an actual Pokemon, and letting Max travel with Ash just shows how much Norman trusts him.
People are used to seeing Ash. If they changed him, the new orientation would throw a lot of people off. In Pokemon Special, people were used to the changes already.
The anime convention is second-hand knowledge. You are just using the creationist method of having your conclusion and finding evidence to support it disregarding any against it when you should be using the scientific method of gathering evidence and deriving a conclusion from it (how many times have I brought up the scientific method now?). Anyways, I'll try again. Do you know who Hayao Miyazaki is?
For the record, CLAMP is an all-female manga group. Their stories have a cult following of both males and females for their narratives. Personally, I think you will be shocked if you read their works, because it might break some of your convictions concerning how girls should act, but the fact that the writers are all female should attract your attention.
"Besides, Just because someone (even a girl) thinks that that's how girls should act doesn't mean that this IS how girls should act."
I love this quote. You don't mind if I, er, borrow it without permission, do you? Teehee, thanks!
September 20th, 2008 02:34 PMPorygonSquaredExactly. You've never heard of CLAMP. This just shows how utterly ignorant your "Misty is one of the few girls who is not of the female anime stereotype in all of anime" is. Watch more anime before making such an idiotic statement.
"If I wanted to control them, I would have thought that girls shouldn't read, shouldn't be intelligent, and would have been nothing more than sex objects for males to dominate over."
Maximilien Robespierre claimed that he was revolting for the people, but ended up being just as controlling as the monarchs, if not more so. The only difference is what he and the monarchs supposedly stood for. Just because you say you are not controlling doesn't mean you are not.
P.S. Isn't it ironic that you claim to be fighting for females, and yet you are fighting with a girl (Jorah)?
September 20th, 2008 01:45 PMPorygonSquaredYou make a big deal over the hair thing, and don't care about Misty's bad attitude. What makes the latter any less likely to influence people as the former? And we went over Elf already, and how you missed the point.
Maybe girls are not the be-all and end-all when it comes to how their kind should act, but they are sure more qualified than you, because, well, they are actually girls, while you're just some guy who wants to control how girls should act. I'm betting that you probably think the CLAMP manga group is sexist against women for portraying them as girly and their emphasis on love, despite being run by a group of females. But then again, I doubt you have even heard of CLAMP, considering how you enjoy stereotyping anime as Shounen.
September 20th, 2008 06:54 AMPorygonSquared"Even if that were true, I really need to point out that some girls actually MIMIC what some starlets do (all of which have no positive feedbacks whatsoever), which, yes, DOES need to be stopped. Plus, some girls try to mimic supermodels's bodyshapes in a flawed sense of trying to achieve the standard body, and it has negative effects through their actions (and indirectly the Modeling/Playboy-esque magazines), as some of them either refuse to eat entirely, or stuff their faces full and then heave them out, which, either way, ISN'T a good thing."
Wait, I thought we were talking about Pokemon. You failed to address my point about how a lot of girls look up to May and Dawn, and obviously the appeal wouldn't be there if they didn't have positive traits. Basically you're saying that May and Dawn aren't really that bad compared to the starlets and supermodels.
And considering eating disorders, yes the media is one factor, but not the only one. You seem to be unable to see that there is usually more than one cause to an effect. Personally, I believe that the whole "weight loss" (the media blew the "healthy weight" thing completely out of proportion) craze also is a factor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_disorders#Causes
Like I said, people tend to travel in groups. It may be awkward, as people usually group same-gender, but on television, where demographic representation is necessary, guys are grouped with girls. As aspiring trainers, they can both help each other in ways that one couldn't alone.
September 19th, 2008 07:41 PMPorygonSquaredAccording to Korobooshi Kojiro, a lot of people were aroused by Ariel's outfit when he was a kid, so it could be considered fanservice in a sense.
Do I want girls to act like May and Dawn? Considering that they both have a lot of female fans, they must have quite admirable traits, so if they want to emulate their good parts, by all means yes. Why should I stop them?
Concerning May and Dawn, it at least makes sense that they would travel with other trainers to get experience and companionship. Rarely do people travel alone. Misty and Brock are Gym Leaders, though, so they seem to have little business travelling with some random trainer.
September 19th, 2008 07:11 PMPorygonSquaredConcerning your fanservice examples, those only prove one type of fanservice. In every respectable information source I've seen, fanservice in anime is defined as anything that is fetish fuel. This covers a wide variety of things, not just how you see it.
Concerning your complaints about May and Dawn, I strongly suspect that you are preaching to an audience that doesn't know squat about Pokemon. Your aunt, for example, seemed to never see May, only going by your word. And I am very surprised if most of your school is interested in Pokemon. Even discounting the fact that many people ridicule it nowadays, clearly ~900 students should have more diverse interests. You can't just assume that they all know what you are talking about. On a related note, I saw your comrades' comments on Youtube, and they sound like they are just playing along with you without actually believing what you are saying.
You still never addressed my point about how you seem to assume all girls that like May and Dawn act like skanks and b****es. Having been around such fans, it seems hypocritical that you would call the girls stereotypes and yet imply stereotyping her fans in turn. In fact, there is one user that likes May and hates Misty, and she isn't exactly a girly girl either.
Definitely I agree with the Brock thing. However, I cannot possibly see why Misty has to necessarily return to the main cast and not do her own thing instead. And I cannot see why you couldn't make your own TV show instead of complaining about someone else's.
September 19th, 2008 04:17 PMPorygonSquaredOkay, I've decided to attempt to be nice, so that my points do not get lost in my venomous rhetoric.
"I DO have confidence! If I didn't, I would never have gone through with the Boycott."
There's a difference between confidence and arrogance. The fact that you are unable to bear criticism smacks more of arrogance than confidence.
"You DO realise that several of the Misty fans on Pokecommunity, Serebiiforums, and BMGf aren't Americans, right? several of these foreign Misty fans actually AGREED with my boycott! I intended the global boycott to actually BE global than just an American one (In fact, I also told all of the Misty fans on their clubs to gather signatures around their areas of the country.)"
I'm concerned that you actually think that this boycott is more important to the people in poorer nations than other issues, such as survival. Many people in the world don't even have TV's, let alone have the ability to watch Pokemon. You need to widen your global perspective.
"HAH, MY DEFINITION?! Maybe you have forgotten, but I have an actual proof as to how Fanservice has to have the participants actually enjoying it! Remember... THIS?!"
You need to distinguish between evidence and proof. One example is evidence. However, it is merely one example. Often, many words have more than one meaning.
There are many different angles of fanservice, and I suggest you do some research to learn about it.
"all right, don't. If you don't stop this right now, I'll be forced to post a restraining order on you. (sheesh, it's no wonder most misty fans don't like you. I mean, you're acting very annoying, who would like that.)."
Most? Can you kindly produce statistics to lend credence to that statement? And I don't do things to be liked. On other forums, I'm not usually like this, but the sheer idiocy of the anime forum has led me to this attitude.
"Also, maybe it hasn't dawned on you yet, but several girls are currently getting Bulimia and Anorexia because of a certain thing involving Modeling magazines and things like Playboy. Plus, several girls are currently getting into trouble because they are mimicing starlets such as Paris Hilton. I mean, if they can mimic several negative and inappropriate characterizations (both behavioral and physical), they can certainly mimic May and Dawn."
While it is true that many females avidly like May and Dawn, what makes you think that they are negatively affected by them? What offends me is your implication that females cannot like the girls because it will turn them into awful people. It is implied you support feminism. What gives you, a male, the right to say what females should do or not do? (for that reason, I don't consider myself a feminist)
"Because she is a bad guy, and I don't support evil things. and anyways, she's becoming more like a female anime stereotype by the day, crying over spilt milk, becoming even more vain than before, and actually appeared topless in a recent episode (however, it was only implied.), so she can't be supported any longer, anyways."
The Team Rocket trio is evil in name only. That is, they try to be evil, but they constantly fail. Also, the trio is known to actually have empathetic sides unlike the actually evil villains in the series, which leads them to do good deeds when there is a greater evil force.
Anyways, concerning Misty, you might want to take a look at this:
I do not see how following some boy is going to help come closer to becoming a Pokemon Master of some sort, not if Misty could just go by herself and not get shafted.
September 16th, 2008 04:52 PMPorygonSquaredOh, so you have absolute faith in Internet polls, in which people voluntarily vote depending on whether they are interested or not and can hack the system to vote multiple times, do you? And you somehow think that the Internet is representative of the whole population, most of which have better things to do than hang around forums? And did you account for how long before those polls were made?
And for your last paragraph, excuse me. I didn't know that telling facts was bashing. After all, the Western World has no qualms about constantly bringing up similar facts about the rest of the world, so why can't they be held accountable?
September 10th, 2008 06:02 PMPorygonSquared"While I'm NOT saying that we should declare war on Japan. (and unlike Britian at that time, Japan's Government isn't dominated by corporate franchises.), We DO need to show them that, by messing with the wrong group, that there are DIRE consequences."
Ha ha. Like what the US did with Cuba? Nicaragua? Chile? Venezuela? Vietnam? Congo? In these countries and more, the US either sponsored military coups to forcibly change democratic governments that only committed the horrible, horrible crime of not doing exactly what the US said or just directly invading. Yep, freedom sure is a great thing as long as one does everything someone in power tells them to.
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