Conversation Between Kon~ and Jordan
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April 24th, 2010 07:34 AMKon~A grammar nazi is never off duty! :D
I did take a look at Esperanto and while it is slightly useful for international conversation, etc. etc., it doesn't have much of a foothold against the use of vastly widespread natural modern languages. Its main boast is that it is simplistic, but looking at it, it is too simplistic, in my complete and honest opinion.
The more you talk about Latin, the more I want to learn it. I've done French and Spanish GCSEs, and I know how similar they are due to them both being derived from Latin, so I suspect it would be moderately easy to recognise Latin words from what I know of French and Spanish. Man, I love those two languages.
I'm watching Pan's Labyrinth right now, so I'm immersing myself in Spanish and trying my best to both listen to the Spanish and read the English subtitles at the same time. ^^;;
Ah... me gusta El Labarinto del Fauno... porque soy inglesa... :D
April 24th, 2010 06:34 AMJordanDear lord, it's a casual conversation. :/
I almost misread your intent there. For a while, your statement sounded like it meant you don't think the Chinese language was forced on the Viets. XD Esperanto...I never understood a reason why it existed. An artificial language is bound to die because of the simple fact that all languages take effort to master and use. In this day and age, no one has the time nor patience to learn a language that has a small chance of growing popular or that is virtually useless (I know I don't). Latin on the other hand, has its uses in modern languages. A literal translation is not possible, but we can try nonetheless. They're still very accurate to a degree, like UN documents.
That you can't even forgive casual and innocent mistakes by people who mean no harm? Yes.
Link to Wikipedia? Well that's no good. I think I'll stick to the scientific journals and newspapers.
April 24th, 2010 04:32 AMKon~I very nearly resisted the urge to point out that "couldn't resist" is a fragment and not a full sentence. ;p
I strongly disagree with Chinese being forced upon Vietnam as a language. The same, in my opinion, goes for any language that is forced upon a nation in place of their native language. I also dislike created languages - nothing can become better than a language that has evolved over millenia. I have a friend who is trying to learn Esperanto, despite me pointing out that created languages, despite being simpler etc., lack all the depth of a 'true' language, and she probably wouldn't be able to get across what she wanted to say while using the language, as a literal translation would be somewhere between difficult and impossible. In saying that, though, most languages don't translate literally into others; sentence structures and lingual rhythm is just too different.
You see now what I experience with my school being a specialised Language College? :p
And yeah, most of the articles have various sources, although some have very few and are not reliable, and nearly all simply use Wikipedia as reference.
April 23rd, 2010 03:50 PMJordanI saw it on a t-shirt once. Couldn't resist.
I had an article around from my Latin teacher that discussed the issue of dying native languages. I'm not in support of new languages being created, however, or at least if it's just manifested immediately and suddenly, and not the result of an evolution of another language. The reason being just that: they're usually not very practical. I'm immensely happy that Vietnamese managed to survive all these millenniums despite Chinese being hard-pressed on the population. Chinese's influence remains and in a rather unwanted way, however; 60% of Vietnamese is Chinese derivatives, and they're noticeable for being much more poetic than true Vietnamese words as well as infinitely more difficult to remember and use in daily speech.
Do they have sources at least? If I just need intellectual invigoration, I can just hop on to Wikipedia...okay, Wikipedia and start from there. o3o;
April 23rd, 2010 09:09 AMKon~That first sentence was either a humerous slip-up or clever irony. In either case, it amused me.
I remember reading a series of articles on a website about languages that no longer exist, and the fact that some people are known to be the last native speaker of that language. English and, as you said, Spanish, as well as Chinese, are just dominating the speaking world to the point that entire cultures are being lost. I can also recall an interesting episode of Qi in which lingual development was discussed, as sub-groups within English-speaking countries are adapting a mixture of many languages into a kind of 'universal' language, although it seems that most of the resulting 'languages' are simple bastardisations of English.
The website is Listverse.com. They have a lot of interesting articles, but unfortunately, many of them are bizarre and more speculation than fact. If you can find the rare gem, it's intellectually exhilerating.
April 22nd, 2010 05:51 PMJordanDepartment of redundancy department.
They say it's the "language of the internet," and to a certain degree, they're correct. The internet was developed mostly within the English-speaking realm to my knowledge, especially the United States. Not to mention most of the popular websites and computer programs only supported English at one point; international language support is fairly new. It's saddening to see that English and Spanish (plus other popular languages) plowed the world of its indigenous languages, though; so much of human history is buried in the tongues, and they're mostly gone.
April 22nd, 2010 02:05 PMKon~"Most favourite" is definitely better than "favouritist". :p
That pretty much sums up English; it's a generic language that's moderately widely-used and relatively simple to learn. That's all there is to it. As I understand, it's used a lot for interglobal communications? (I could be wrong...)
April 22nd, 2010 01:49 PMJordanMy most favorite? Is that proper grammar?
My mother tongue is actually Vietnamese. I don't dislike it; however, I'd prefer it if it doesn't have so much Chinese influence in the vocabulary. That's to be expected I guess: they were strong, and we were weak. This is no longer the case, luckily. As for English, I don't hate it nor think of it as anything special. It's very convenient in the modern world (and I live in a country that speaks English) so it's good for me to know. It doesn't have any special quality to make it standout, unfortunately.
April 22nd, 2010 01:13 PMKon~In a way, Latin lives on as the basis of most languages. Without Latin, there would be no form to French, which, despite my poor grasp of most French grammar, is by far my most favourite of all languages.
... do you dislike your mother tongue? (assuming English is your first language; if not, ignore the proposed question)
April 22nd, 2010 01:03 PMJordanEnglish is unnecessarily complex in my opinion. It would have been better if Latin had survived and is operating as our main language of use. 8)
/Latin nerd opinion
April 22nd, 2010 12:51 PMKon~I face the same problem. I try not to bring it up, but when I see someone murdering my beautiful language, I just want to... vom all over their face and then sit on their chest.
It sounds extreme, but I mean business: Serious, serious business.
April 22nd, 2010 12:50 PMJordanI was a bit of a hypocrite about Grammar Nazism, so I just quit correcting other people's grammar. I'll do it if I know I'll get an amusing reaction, though. XD
April 22nd, 2010 12:44 PMKon~:D
I have indeed joined. ~♪
April 22nd, 2010 12:42 PMJordan
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