April 14th, 2013 12:47 PMShinyUmbreon189
If I can find the link you will see the evidence around the shootings... But there is no evidence on 9/11 but more and more people are starting to notice it. But those are the ones that aren't manipulated.
April 14th, 2013 12:42 PMKanzler
I get it. I'd would prefer that you differentiate between government as in politicians and those that work for the state, and "government" as the people whose interests you believe directs the government's every actions.
What evidence are there around them? I see a troubled person that shoots a couple of kids. I'm not familiar with the evidence you're talking about.
April 14th, 2013 12:33 PMShinyUmbreon189
As I said the true government is not politicians. Our "government" as in politicians don't have a say in anything they're just puppets. There's the puppet government and then there's the "government". Nobody knows who the government is, we just know who the politicians are. The actual government are sadistic demonic bastards that want nothing but power and money. This is why so many countries hate us because they know what our real government is about. I'm sorry if I can't explain in a form you can't fully understand. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if our presidents get elected through rigs to frame them because they're background fits the mission.
Look at the evidence around them. That will answer you're question to why I think they're conspiracies.
April 14th, 2013 12:21 PMKanzler
I see what you're getting at. In political science we make a distinction between government and private interests. It sounds like you believe government is at the mercy of private interests - and you believe private interests control us all. I'd like for you to be more clear in your vocabulary though, because muddling these two concepts together can be distracting. Like you say the government is a secret society that is brainwashing us but has no say in anything? How can you brainwash, an act that requires initiative, when you have no say in anything?
I think you mean that private interests are the ones creating lies through the media - because as you've said, the government has no say even though they know what's going on. The media corporations and the capitalist elite of the country. I don't fully agree with that, because I'm not convinced either way.
Why do you think those atrocities are conspiracies?
April 14th, 2013 12:02 PMShinyUmbreon189
We don't need a "government". I mean we do, but we need a government that leads and cares for they're people instead of controlling us. Controlling is not "leading". The government now don't have a care for anyone but themselves because they're self centered hypocritical pricks. Every one of them. The government isn't "politicians" the government is the "Illuminati" or whatever they wanna call themselves. The Illuminati don't exist, (well maybe it does, idk) but the government is kind of like a secret society and the politicians including Obama are used as puppets to get what they want. Does that make any sense?
What I mean by brainwashing is they create lies through the media to attract the attention of citizens to get what they want which is brainwashing. People are falling for the lies because they're so brainwashed. It's kinda like hypnotizing us, they're manipulating the minds of us from conspiracies to get something.
A good example is the sandy hook shooting. Do you really think it was real? If you do, that's cool with me. But it's a hoax to turn us against guns and it's working. All those shootings were hoaxes, and they're doing it for one reason. TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY AND TURN TO TYRANNY. Everything is a conspiracy to get they're hands on something, shootings to 9/11 it's all a plot.
The government as in politicians has no say in anything, they know what's going on, but the true government won't identify themselves. Eventually, the truth will come out and once the manipulation is over, they have full control of us and it will turn into a battlefield because it's gonna be a lot of pissed off Americans. This is when the military will split, it's coming. America is not at war, WE ARE THE WAR.
April 14th, 2013 11:32 AMKanzler
Well if you believe politicans are puppets, you must at least admit that you can't really consider the government "the government" like it acts with one voice. What do you mean by propaganda? and brainwashing? I don't think I'm brainwashed - just convinced that government is something we need
April 14th, 2013 11:23 AMShinyUmbreon189
It's not Obama's fault, he has really no say in anything. As I said, he's a puppet. The govt. controls everything and if they want something they will get it one way or another whether it's rigging the system or creating bs propaganda to manipulate and brainwash society. We really don't have no say in anything because we're brainwashed. Kinda funny how it works isn't it? But this is something the govt. lies about day after day, everything they say is a lie. We believe fiction is fact when it's not and as long as we're brainwashed nothings gonna change. Everything that goes on is a product from the govt. But go ahead America believe the propaganda and lies until it's too late. I'm not brainwashed, I know what they're all about. They're evil people. Politicians are puppets as well.
April 14th, 2013 8:56 AMKanzler
I don't feel that it's Obama's fault completely, it has a lot to do with your system of government. Obama's a decent intellectual, and he likes to spend time thinking instead of coming to a rash decision. He shows leadership when he signs off every drone assassination on his kill list.
He's not a puppet from Congress. Congress is able to block anything he does, and so can the Supreme Court if they find it unconstitutional. Your separation of powers system is all about checks and balances - so when Obama can't get anything done, you could say that your government is working as designed. If you want more leadership come to Canada! We're complaining about the government passing omnibus bills - which are basically bills that contain legislation that have to do to with EVERYTHING. And so the opposition finds it to be undemocratic because the ruling party has a majority and can pass basically whatever they want. In parliamentary countries such as Canada and the UK, the government is designed for getting legislation passed whereas in the US it's all about blocking it and revising. Don't forget Obama has a presidential veto.
It's not so much that the government is controlling the media, it's more like the media is controlling the government. It's not very accurate describing the government as "they", because there is no coherent "they". Your American government isn't very strong and is fragmented between private interests that can lobby quite easily. It's basically the voice of the people, and corporations are people too. The government works for whoever has their hands on them, and right now it's clear that the people have to have more say in the government.
And don't get baked when you're making an argument XD Although it "opens your mind", I don't think it helps at all with logic. It helps for artists, but they never had to give a crap about logic anyways.
April 13th, 2013 11:18 PMShinyUmbreon189
Well, Obama's our president (don't know if you're American or not) and he lacks "leadership". He doesn't know how to lead a country... But what do you expect? He's a puppet from the congress. The congress makes the laws and he signs them, it's pretty much like a script. He doesn't have much say in anything. Meaning our govt. is manipulating us. Then when you add the media bs to the picture, it's brainwashing society. In other words, America is brainwashed by they're so called govt.
April 13th, 2013 11:11 PMKanzler
I'm sure some of them have to be leaders though. Managing a campaign is really really hard (and why I would never run for office XD). I don't think it's fair to describe them all as manipulators and corrupt though. They have to mediate the relationship between society and private interests. The real problem, to me, is that private interests infiltrate their way into government, and the people who want to do things for the public good have to deal with them as well.
And US parties lack leadership compared to a lot of democracies around the world, but that's something unique about the US system itself. In Canada, for example, the party leader has a lot more control over his party, so it's easier for things to get done. The separation of powers system that the Founding Fathers stuck to has a habit of not getting things done because things are getting vetoed/voted down left and right. But some people would say it's a good thing because it would help prevent tyrannical government. Not that I fully agree with that, but it's the rationale
April 13th, 2013 11:04 PMShinyUmbreon189
Since it's a gun thread and not a politics thread I'm gonna bring it here. I believe they're idiots because they're in it for nothing but money and power. They want big paychecks for controlling us and doing the opposite of what they tell us to do, they're hypocrites. They don't care about our well being and don't care about the consequences to get what they want and they're clueless to reality. They lack leadership to the extremes, they don't know how to lead they know how to control through manipulation and corruption We're failing as a country with our economy because of lack of leadership and they're greed, corruption, money, and power has got us dug deep into this hole. Without a leader, a society or country can't survive. We're like a herd of sheep following they're lies because we look up to them as our "leaders" when they're dictators and greedy self centered pricks. Does this answer you're question?