A lot of it was out on the public forum, which is part of what was so frustrating to me because I've always been a believer in keeping the drama out of the eyes of everyone else. Like, there are a lot of old threads with people outright arguing with each other over all of it in Q&F if you look back far enough. Mostly the ones where all the quitting and repromoting happened (since all congrats threads used to be in Q&F).
I don't know... I know we talked about it very occasionally but I think I was always on the side of not removing it. I wasn't around when it was actually removed. (Of course now for the life of me I can't figure out why I was against it.) I assume I would remember it if I'd seen it, though. Guess I'll have to climb the ranks again to find it. *DRAMATIC SIGH*
I think all the stuff you described happened before I became all orange, so it's news to me! And to think everyone was, like, 13/14 or so when all this muk was going down. God, I feel old.
And swearing in posts is officially the best. Were you around for my big tl;dr about removing the swear filter from HQ? That caused a ruckus. I used to think that would be my magnum opus on PC until the recent drunken mod applications rant.
They were both Praetors for a time, but they both had different name colours... or something like that. Do you remember the whole red vs blue thing, during the abbyxsawah time? I think Abby and Andy got into some sort of fight and Andy got promoted to Praetor but then Abby got promoted to her own pink rank (originally the Praetor rank was green, as she'd picked it to be a gender-neutral colour that anyone could enjoy).
I'm iffy on the details around here because I remember getting so fed up with everyone's behaviour that I quit PC for a month or two but I think people on Andy's side kept saying that Abby was sucking up to Kwesi & the admins for her rank and didn't deserve it and she got frustrated so she quit. (There was also an awful lot of homophobia being flung around because of the abbyxsawah thing, and that really factored into the picking sides thing.) The admins decided they couldn't run PC without her (because, to be fair, she WAS PC at the time since she could and did dedicate so much of her time to running it) and asked her to come back but she said she'd only come back if they made her a real admin (so site admin), no BS sub-ranks. They agreed, Andy's side got all huffy so to make amends, they promoted him to yet another new rank (Staff Admin) and claimed it was "equal to site admins, just admins without websites" even though that was BS because Abby was obviously an example of why that wasn't true... and more fights happened and eventually Abby just quit or something. Somewhere in there, Jake was promoted to Praetor and since the green rank didn't really exist anymore and he was the only person with the rank for a while, he picked the ugly yellow instead. :( But after Abby left, no non-site admin ever had the site admin rank. Everyone was stuck as a Staff Admin until site admins were finally nixed and it didn't matter.
Until I came into it after the drama had collapsed on itself, technically no "staff admins" (praetor/abby/staff admin/whatever) ever shared a usergroup with each other so it was a stupid unstable system where everyone kind of had their own random rank. iirc when I was promoted to Praetor Jake tried to convince everyone that I was supposed to get my own usergroup too with my own colour but we all pretty much agreed that didn't make any sense so that's where the invidual colour picking died. :(
Also omg I've started swearing in some of my posts but it's STILL REALLY WEIRD to see outright swear words all over the place on PC. For a split second I was like "holy muk should I report this???? but i don't wanna be a jerk...." This is a hard habit to break.
Wait, why did Andy have his own rank? I remembered it as Andy and Abby together, then Praetors, then S-Mods... but obviously not!
And, re: Jake not talking to you, it's good to hear that PC was still as psyducking political in its earliest stages as it was until both of our departures from HQ (and, presumably, still is)! Good times.
Then after Praetor, there was the Abby-only rank, and then Staff Admin which was the Andy-only rank. And then Jake got a little mad that we weren't continuing the one-admin-per-usergroup thing when I invaded his ugly yellow Praetor rank and then didn't talk to me for months when I was promoted to Staff Admin before him.
I remember aaalll the awkward admin usergroup hiccups.
Well, they probably got it here by then. :P Canada just took forever. (And then it did arrive earlier in the week, I think... or maybe the week before? Regardless, my mom just came up this afternoon and brought it with.