August 11th, 2012 4:52 AMCyclone
It's not a matter of "who started it". It's my view. A Pokémon created in the fifth gen., while an official Pokémon, is not so in R/S/E and therefore is a Fakémon as far as R/S/E are concerned only because it's not programmed into the game. It has to be programmed in like any other Fakémon.
August 11th, 2012 4:15 AMSatoshi Ookami
Yes, we have. I don't know who started your Fakemon definition but the only right Fakemon definition is the one I mentioned. Fakemons are not official fan made "Pokémon", not existing Pokémon added to older generations.
August 11th, 2012 3:55 AMCyclone
I think we have a different opinion on what constitutes a "Fakémon". To me, the definition is "a Pokémon that was created for the hack that does not exist in the original game". I've been asking some questions in the quick questions thread, as I see most hacks use Fakémon with my definition. Keep in mind that when using Krookodile and its earlier forms, they're all Fakémon; they are not part of G/S/C or R/S/E.
Now, if the original idea of a game is to redo the Pokédex, that's one thing. I've seen Pikachu in one listing video way up in the 100s instead of his standard 25. In such cases, the redo of the Pokédex makes sense as it's a regional Pokédex; even Unova's gets a makeover with the new Pokémon that are considered part of the Unova region. The National Dex, however, I'm sure still lists everything the way we're used to with their original numbering. These hacks basically forbid use of a "National" Dex; since only 386 are programmed into the game, and Krookodile is #553, using a National Dex would replace someone else with it in the listing. This is where the Fakémon bit becomes obvious: in the post-E4. Where later generations are programmed in like this, the National Dex cannot exist at all. I'd be worried about a trade between games if someone did burn this to a cart. themselves and put it in a system; someone could be collecting an unknown Pokémon in another game (Rattata anyone? LMAO).
August 11th, 2012 1:18 AMSatoshi Ookami
Yes, you are right, something was removed.
And by the way...
Are you serious? So you are practically saying that original Pokémon are actually Fakemon if they replace existing Pokémon in III Gen games?
Sorry but that's pretty mad... Fakemon is a term for fanmade Pokémon that aren't official.
To sum it up, you are pretty much saying that you want to play hacks that consist only 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Pokémon... that's pretty narrow selection if you ask me... Not to mention you will soon be bored because you will be playing with the same Pokémon over and over
August 10th, 2012 5:01 AMCyclone
I think you might be confused in what I mean
Krookodile for instance is #553. Since only 386 are programmed into the game, for Krookodile to appear, something has to be removed. This means that a legitimate Pokémon (for Emerald) was removed and Krookodile replaced it. Is this not correct? As far as Emerald goes, it's a Fakémon. So is every Gen. IV and Gen. V Pokémon in both games. And since it sounds like both games have large numbers of them, unfortunately, my interest is waning.
August 9th, 2012 10:25 PMSatoshi Ookami
Flora Sky has no Fakemon. There are two versions in order for all Pokémon to appear.
In both versions there are 386 Pokémon but the Pokémon are different.
And if you take all different Pokémon, you will get to the 649 number.
August 9th, 2012 12:31 PMCyclone
I figured I'd bring this question as a VM since this might get a little detailed.
4th and 5th gen. are said to appear in the main version of Flora, but there is something that has me thinking. With only 386 Pokémon, that means Deoxys is the last entry in the Pokédex. This tells me that Fakémon exist. Were new entries coded in with their actual stats., maybe even with a numbering rearrangement for a special version of the Pokédex? Or are the sprites blatantly copied into the game? Further, does the "complement" version not have any 4th or 5th gen.? I'd rather the hack have exactly the Pokémon in the original game, not Fakémon.
I make exceptions to this, of course. For instance, I've tried out a beta of Shining Opal, where the only Fakémon is an experiment named Mikachu that escapes from the lab and swaps places with your starter Torchic; unless you check the menu, you wouldn't know until the second battle. Forms the makings of a very interesting storyline, I'll tell you that. (Oh, and it's a permanent party member; you can't put it in the PC.)