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  1. Esoj
    December 18th, 2012 08:10 PM
    Yes, the word "apparently" comes with uncertain information because you would not be able to know exact facts. When you move a pokemon to different regions just like my Latios, Hoenn, apparently arrived at lv 50. If I catch it at Hoenn and then I move it to Hoenn regions, the info would stay clear, but if I catch this Latios with a master ball and start leveling it up till' 85, and then I move it to Unova, would say: "Apparently arrived at level 85 after a long travel through time" Having in mind that this Latios is 100% legit, these facts (master ball, origin information, and level) can be kinda confusing because the level has been modified and the original level is a good source to confirm legitimacy. If the level stay untouched, the info would be more clear regardless the facts.
  2. Cyclone
    December 18th, 2012 07:47 PM
    Adding to that VM (which basically agrees with you), the "A" word is used on ALL imports, even if you imported from your old game to the new one. The Unova you does not know the status of when it was caught or hatched or whatever.
  3. Cyclone
    December 18th, 2012 07:44 PM
    Rephrasing that, "apparently" occurs with trades within the generation as well. As I'm currently at inner Castelia City, I can't check my PC Cobalion/Terrakion/Virizion right now, but going back to Black and checking a Treecko I have there, it notes "Egg apparently hatched". It was hatched on Route 3 from the Day-Care couple's Egg in a breeding scenario, egg received 12/20/2012 (this person apparently plays with the date somewhat ahead).

    Then there are Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect, who "apparently had a fateful encounter at Lv.15".

    Let's go to non-Events. Tornadus for me says "Met at Lv.40" as I caught it on Route 5 thanks to an incredibly useful (at the time) Watchog; I tell you, Watchog is a great Legendary trapper on roamers based on that one experience. Thundurus, however, says for me "apparently met at Lv.40" and caught at Route 4; this info is where you determine legitimacy, as within the generation this number should NOT change. If I trade you my Tornadus, it would again say "Apparently caught".

    In other words, ANY Pokémon imported or traded will say "apparently" because you cannot possibly know, you weren't there to watch it be caught or hatch. Only your own catches and non-Events will not use the "A" word.
  4. Esoj
    December 18th, 2012 07:41 PM
    hahaha that is just like looking at a mirror and wondering, "who is in front?"
  5. Esoj
    December 18th, 2012 07:36 PM
    "Met at level x" means your encounter with that pokemon in the game, "apparently met at lv x" means when the pokemon has been traded between same regions.
  6. Cyclone
    December 18th, 2012 07:29 PM
    Indeed, and I did that with the Dragonite analysis before trading. The problem becomes that I considered the "met" level to be the level caught in that region. In so doing, I would have been marking my own Scizor as a hack.
  7. Esoj
    December 18th, 2012 07:27 PM
    Yep. The word says it all, "apparently". Knowing the exact provenance of a pokemon could be a mystery in some cases, in that case, is needed a retrospection on a pokemon's possible origin having in mind other regions. It's like recreating the origin's scenario.
  8. Cyclone
    December 18th, 2012 07:11 PM
    You're exactly right, that's what happened. Now that I've seen it with my Johto Scyther now Scizor, I know not to look at a higher level in past generational imports as a hack, but rather, only at current generation. This might explain why some like trading within Gen. IV and importing themselves; they can check it for legality.

    Of course, lower levels are still hacks. A Lv.5-10 Dratini has hack all over it from Sinnoh. :D
  9. Esoj
    December 18th, 2012 06:47 PM
    Oh, well, that was a well developed analysis. Looking at the three pokemons (leafeon, blissey, and dragonite) Leafeon keeps the basics moves, helping hand, sand attack, growl, and quick attack. looking at the previous Blissey's attacks, they are quiet fine; as well as Dragonite. I have one shiny Samurott, 100% legit because I saw Osha hatching from the egg naturally without abusing (I used Masuda Method or something like that) It says Egg hatched, if I trade it, would say apparently hatched. Just like my shiny Scizor, it was obtained via trade and I can remember that it said something like that before moving it to the white. That could be the case of Drifloon, now Drifblim. Scizor's info says apparently arrived at 98, I received it at level 1 in Diamond version, I've leveled it up to 98 in the same game version, then I move it to white and the level locks in 98. That could explain the case of Blissey.
  10. Cyclone
    December 18th, 2012 06:15 PM
    Well I'll be a monkey's uncle:

    Brave nature
    Apparently arrived at Lv.50
    Somewhat vain

    What interests me is the bolded line. Is that the exact line used in the case of the Blissey? Chansey CAN be caught in Sinnoh, so Blissey is suddenly looking legitimate. Leafeon can be evolved in Sinnoh (even if it was first moved to Gen. V and then evolved at Pinwheel Forest's interior, that would still say the same for import), and when imported CAN be at Lv.16.

    This also means the Dragonite IS legitimate under the same rules applied to my Johto-based then-Scyther, caught at Lv.13 but claiming to be met at Lv.50 and only caught in November. It does change when imported through generations. I'll be damned.

    My apologies, consider all three suspect Pokémon as legit. (including the Dragonite), but definitely do Pokéchecks on your two just to verify. I've looked at Dragonite manually and it checks out everywhere.

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