December 18th, 2012 8:10 PMEsoj
Yes, the word "apparently" comes with uncertain information because you would not be able to know exact facts. When you move a pokemon to different regions just like my Latios, Hoenn, apparently arrived at lv 50. If I catch it at Hoenn and then I move it to Hoenn regions, the info would stay clear, but if I catch this Latios with a master ball and start leveling it up till' 85, and then I move it to Unova, would say: "Apparently arrived at level 85 after a long travel through time" Having in mind that this Latios is 100% legit, these facts (master ball, origin information, and level) can be kinda confusing because the level has been modified and the original level is a good source to confirm legitimacy. If the level stay untouched, the info would be more clear regardless the facts.
December 18th, 2012 7:47 PMCyclone
Adding to that VM (which basically agrees with you), the "A" word is used on ALL imports, even if you imported from your old game to the new one. The Unova you does not know the status of when it was caught or hatched or whatever.
December 18th, 2012 7:44 PMCyclone
Rephrasing that, "apparently" occurs with trades within the generation as well. As I'm currently at inner Castelia City, I can't check my PC Cobalion/Terrakion/Virizion right now, but going back to Black and checking a Treecko I have there, it notes "Egg apparently hatched". It was hatched on Route 3 from the Day-Care couple's Egg in a breeding scenario, egg received 12/20/2012 (this person apparently plays with the date somewhat ahead).
Then there are Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect, who "apparently had a fateful encounter at Lv.15".
Let's go to non-Events. Tornadus for me says "Met at Lv.40" as I caught it on Route 5 thanks to an incredibly useful (at the time) Watchog; I tell you, Watchog is a great Legendary trapper on roamers based on that one experience. Thundurus, however, says for me "apparently met at Lv.40" and caught at Route 4; this info is where you determine legitimacy, as within the generation this number should NOT change. If I trade you my Tornadus, it would again say "Apparently caught".
In other words, ANY Pokémon imported or traded will say "apparently" because you cannot possibly know, you weren't there to watch it be caught or hatch. Only your own catches and non-Events will not use the "A" word.
December 18th, 2012 7:41 PMEsoj
hahaha that is just like looking at a mirror and wondering, "who is in front?"
December 18th, 2012 7:36 PMEsoj
"Met at level x" means your encounter with that pokemon in the game, "apparently met at lv x" means when the pokemon has been traded between same regions.
December 18th, 2012 7:29 PMCyclone
Indeed, and I did that with the Dragonite analysis before trading. The problem becomes that I considered the "met" level to be the level caught in that region. In so doing, I would have been marking my own Scizor as a hack.
December 18th, 2012 7:27 PMEsoj
Yep. The word says it all, "apparently". Knowing the exact provenance of a pokemon could be a mystery in some cases, in that case, is needed a retrospection on a pokemon's possible origin having in mind other regions. It's like recreating the origin's scenario.
December 18th, 2012 7:11 PMCyclone
You're exactly right, that's what happened. Now that I've seen it with my Johto Scyther now Scizor, I know not to look at a higher level in past generational imports as a hack, but rather, only at current generation. This might explain why some like trading within Gen. IV and importing themselves; they can check it for legality.
Of course, lower levels are still hacks. A Lv.5-10 Dratini has hack all over it from Sinnoh. :D
December 18th, 2012 6:47 PMEsoj
Oh, well, that was a well developed analysis. Looking at the three pokemons (leafeon, blissey, and dragonite) Leafeon keeps the basics moves, helping hand, sand attack, growl, and quick attack. looking at the previous Blissey's attacks, they are quiet fine; as well as Dragonite. I have one shiny Samurott, 100% legit because I saw Osha hatching from the egg naturally without abusing (I used Masuda Method or something like that) It says Egg hatched, if I trade it, would say apparently hatched. Just like my shiny Scizor, it was obtained via trade and I can remember that it said something like that before moving it to the white. That could be the case of Drifloon, now Drifblim. Scizor's info says apparently arrived at 98, I received it at level 1 in Diamond version, I've leveled it up to 98 in the same game version, then I move it to white and the level locks in 98. That could explain the case of Blissey.
December 18th, 2012 6:15 PMCyclone
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle:
Apparently arrived at Lv.50
What interests me is the bolded line. Is that the exact line used in the case of the Blissey? Chansey CAN be caught in Sinnoh, so Blissey is suddenly looking legitimate. Leafeon can be evolved in Sinnoh (even if it was first moved to Gen. V and then evolved at Pinwheel Forest's interior, that would still say the same for import), and when imported CAN be at Lv.16.
This also means the Dragonite IS legitimate under the same rules applied to my Johto-based then-Scyther, caught at Lv.13 but claiming to be met at Lv.50 and only caught in November. It does change when imported through generations. I'll be damned.
My apologies, consider all three suspect Pokémon as legit. (including the Dragonite), but definitely do Pokéchecks on your two just to verify. I've looked at Dragonite manually and it checks out everywhere.
December 18th, 2012 6:08 PMCyclone
Looking at the list:
- Leafeon must be evolved, cannot be caught otherwise. Eevee is only found from Bebe in Sinnoh (in fact, if you want some trivia, the Castelia City area is the first time wild Eevee can be collected in numerous quantities and can thus be considered its habitat). Levels are either 5 or 20. Definitely a hack as far as I know After other research, it's legal.
- Camerupt and Numel are both found in Sinnoh; http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_Route_227]Route 227[/url] tops out at Lv.53, but the Stark Mountain Camerupt MIGHT be legit. as they appear there at Lv.55 (not Numel, which are lower). Shininess could be hacked, but there are some honest people even on the GTS (hey, you used it ), so I want to believe that is legit. Perhaps get me some moves data and I can tell you for sure whether it would be considered legit., or even have a Pokécheck done on it?
- Swellow is possible, from Route 13. Wish people wouldn't waste their Master Balls on these, but I guess they're more worried about knocking it out.
- Rapidash is found on Route 12. Level checks out.
- Drifloon sounds like a hatched Shiny from a legit. Drifblim or something. I'd be curious about the list of moves. Again, might not hurt to run a Pokécheck, but hatched Eggs always have a Shiny chance. If it wasn't a regular Poké Ball I'd call it a definite hack, as Lv.1 is extremely rare (I've seen Magikarp like that available, even Lv.100 of those and ironically in the same body of water).
- Litwick checks out,
- Blissey isn't even worth analysis Valid, see above. Met at Lv.100? Seriously? I will check my Scizor, evolved from a cloned Scyther I caught in a SS Bug-Catching Contest, and get back to you on whether the "met" level changes when imported to another game; I do not believe it does (if it somehow does, that Dragonite suddenly could be legit., but I'm banking that it doesn't).
Therefore, move Leafeon and Blissey to the "hacked" listing (pending research on my Scyther). I should be back shortly to comment on this.
December 18th, 2012 5:47 PMEsoj
Also, if needed, I'm willing to compensate the trade with another pokemon. To make it as fair as possible.
December 18th, 2012 5:40 PMEsoj
Oh, I really sorry for that, what a shame I've received that Dragonite (Dragonair in such case) via gts negotiation, so I could not make a report because was a random trade, but thanks for the verification. The other shinies received in the same way are: Leafeon, Sinnoh, apparently arrived at 16, luxury ball; Camerupt, Sinnoh, apparently arrived at 55, master ball; Swellow, route 13, apparently met at 47, master ball, Rapidash, route 12, apparently met at 49, luxury ball; Drifloon, Sinnoh apparently arrived at lv 1, poke ball; Litwick, Celestial tower, apparently met at 27, poke ball; Blissey, Sinnoh, apparently met at lv 100, poke ball. I have others that are obviously hacked like a Charizard in a master ball, I keep it just for the black color, but I know it's useless. There are possibilities that these pokemons, including Dragonite, are legit if they were found in initial evolutions and appears the level they were received by me? or here cannot open that parentesis?
December 18th, 2012 4:41 PMCyclone
I did some research; this Dragonite is hacked. In Sinnoh, Dratini can only be caught between Levels 15-25, and Dragonair between Levels 15-40. This Dragonite claims to be found at Lv.51. Since Dragonite does not appear on its own fully evolved, it has to be a hack.
What was the other Shiny you had? I'd like to research its legitimacy.
December 17th, 2012 9:17 PMEsoj
Nice fighting poke!, thanks for the trade, hope you enjoy the Dragonite. By luck the wireless has worked pretty well (it sometimes behave very bad with some of my friends) Afterall, seems to have a decent speed having into account the nature, but that does not matter, it's a nice poke.