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Conversation Between KittenKoder and gimmepie
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  1. gimmepie
    November 19th, 2013 6:51 AM
    I'll write a response to this later, I cannot be bothered right now in all honesty xD
  2. KittenKoder
    November 19th, 2013 5:41 AM
    The term "fate" is a catch-all, really, it can mean just following genetic stipulations or accepting events that are not under your control, I am not using it in a mystical sense at all.

    With the gun, is there an urge to shoot yourself? If not, then why would the thought ever cross your mind? If the thought does not cross your mind, how are you suppose to make the decision that requires the idea? Ultimately, unless you are suicidal, you will never face such a decision, never have to make the choice one way or the other.

    The gun example, again, points to there being no choice made in the matter, you are simply accepting the circumstances as they are. The more you go through your life, the more you realize that you have made very few actual choices in it. The idea of "free will" is very illusory, because everything we do is influenced by genetics and experiences during the first decade of life. Genetics play a much larger role than we once thought, which makes them even more fascinating.

    I take no offense, I do over think things, and always base everything on a scientific understanding of the universe.
  3. gimmepie
    November 19th, 2013 5:27 AM
    The cliff is definitely an example in your favour. Have you noticed that weird urge to jump when you stand at a high place?

    But the point remains, I have no desire at all to shoot myself. But I have the ability to. So therefore I have the choice to do so or not, and I choose not to based on my lack of desire.

    It is also interesting that you believe in fate, considering your tendency to over think things scientifically (no offence intended).

    The ideas of other people are certainly interesting.
  4. KittenKoder
    November 19th, 2013 5:22 AM
    So then you have an innate desire to jump off the cliff, because if you have no desire, the thought of whether to jump or not should not cross your mind. That's the difference between making a "conscious choice" and simply going with the flow.

    The notion of "free will" does inherently demand an opposition as well, that is why many scientific fields are now considering that "free will" is nothing more than an illusion. A choice means there has to be at least two options, and both have to be considered valid options by the thinking organism. Thus if only one is considered valid for any reason, be it genetics or circumstance, there is no choice involved, more accurately, it's foregoing the choice and simply accepting fate.

    Also, thanks for your compliment. I find the ideas of other people interesting.
  5. gimmepie
    November 19th, 2013 5:17 AM
    Originally Posted by KittenKoder View Post
    Do you choose not to jump off the cliff?
    Yes. If I am standing on the edge of a cliff and not walking off of it I am making the conscious decision not to do so. Because I am a human being with free will, not a puppet.

    I must say you have some interesting philosophies though.

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