btw I said it had moveslot syndrome since Surf his pretty poor coverage and it doesn't have Pressure to stall with like CroCune (not to imply that CroCune is even close to as effective as Manaphy) which was my reason for saying it. tbh I was just trying to give a balanced look at it kekekeke. I'm not participating in the discussion because I only have experience with a few of the suspects and I want to be objective when I have to crush illogical posts so yeah.
And Skymin sucks, I agree. I don't even know why it's controversial.
For the record, if you don't like Shoddy Battle another simulator has come out for Diamond and Pearl ('The Shoddy Lounge' should be renamed to encompass Netbattle), where Smogon is not there to cause problems in the metagame. It says Latias can be stopped by a defensive Tyranitar with Pursuit, and if you have good prediction skills a Bulky Scizor (one that has invested in HP and Special Defense EVs) can be used to deal with Latias, you can Swords Dance while it uses Calm Mind and immediately finish it off with Bullet Punch. It does not regard Latias as a threat (?), in reality it demolishes (unswathes lol), and it is practically impossible to stop on the Suspect Ladder, even Skymin and Garchomp are less dangerous (yeah i need my Scarfchomp back), therefore it has to stay Uber or the Shoddy Metagame will fail.