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  1. PkMnTrainer Yellow
    September 26th, 2012 09:40 AM
    PkMnTrainer Yellow
    The notion that all things need to be directly explained and that just because we're allowed to interpret something means we can drop logic and interpret it however we want is /ridiculous/. Your entire argument is based on ignorance. (We can't prove it's this way, so it should be however we want.) Mine, in contrast, is based on an objective attempt to understand what the rightful owners of the series want it to be! (It seems pretty clear that this is what they are aiming for based on what is observable in their works, even if it's remotely possible that it could be different.)

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    The proper way to handle it when someone provides solid evidence that your idea contradicts canon is to take that, accept it, and use it to improve your writing. This is roleplay. Anyone can do whatever they want regardless of series. The ability to refrain from doing whatever you want is the basics of what separates a good writer from a not so good writer.
    At the risk of sounding dismissive, it's about time you either got a new argument altogether or gave up. Continued stubbornness is only going to make me increasingly hostile due to sheer frustration.
  2. machomuu
    September 25th, 2012 01:44 PM
    machomuu
    I'm not disrespecting it, I'm simply pointing out what is done. The games are made to be simple RPGs with great accessibility; that's pokemon, and I see nothing wrong with that (It does have complex mechanics (such as breeding and EV training), though). I don't see any disrespect in that, it's like saying I'm disrespecting Kingdom Hearts or Metal Gear Solid for calling them convoluted; I'm not, it's their convolution is what makes them great. Pokemon's the same way, I don't think I, in any way, disrespected Pokemon or its creators. As far as my true opinion goes, I haven't said anything negative towards the series in this post or the last.

    And I think you're misunderstanding my point about canon. Pokemon is an intentionally vague series, and I could give several examples that support that theory. Taking advantage of that vagueness is what gives people freedom in roleplays. For instance, in the thread, there was little to no evidence, and if there was what one would call "evidence", then it was certainly refutable; people were just throwing around theories. Saying the series isn't vague would be hard to support, especially since they most likely do that on purpose as well (and if you feel that the "vagueness theory" is what is disrespectful, I'd disagree there, as well). It is, after all, a great way of maintaining simplicity. Obviously contradicting canon isn't good to do in roleplay, but you know what? Contradicting canon isn't good at all (except when creating something where it intentionally creates its own laws that contradict those of the source material). That's basic knowledge, not something one needs to be told. However, if evidence isn't irrefutable then it's not necessarily breaking canon. You can't tell me I'm wrong if I say that eggs are created from the coagulated blood from to pokemon, reason being that there's no existing contradictory evidence to support it or refute it. Now let's use a relevant example, the gun theory. Saying that a gun would not hurt a pokemon is theory, even if you correlate it to actual moves, it is not fact. Similarly, the opposite is true, and without an established set of laws of physics (and various other factors and variables), it's impossible to prove (and at the same time, impossible to disprove). Sure, one can argue it as much as they want, but it is impossible to come up with an answer that will be fact.

    But as I said, I like pokemon, and the things I don't like about it, as far as I remember, I haven't revealed (at least, not on this forum). The things I have stated (being the things above) are not only the things that make the games so popular and accessible, but also what Taijiri wanted them to be (as is implied by his comments about the games and how they came into existence).
  3. PkMnTrainer Yellow
    September 25th, 2012 12:44 PM
    PkMnTrainer Yellow
    ...See, you do this thing where you disrespect the series and/or it's creators and it has been eating at my temper like acid. The series deserves more credit than you're giving it.

    The proper way to handle it when someone provides solid evidence that your idea contradicts canon is to take that, accept it, and use it to improve your writing. This is roleplay. Anyone can do whatever they want regardless of series. The ability to refrain from doing whatever you want is the basics of what seperates a good writer from a not so good writer.



    Anyway, I don't see the appeal of immersing myself in a sea of "ignorance, narcissism, and stubbornness" just to voice my opinion. There was a time when I had enough strength to stand up for myself and what I thought was right just to say I tried, but that time is gone.

    All I have in response to the notion that I should is stories of emotional trauma and an intense feeling of pointlessness.

    I'm much happier doing what I'm doing now...
  4. machomuu
    September 24th, 2012 01:16 PM
    machomuu
    Regarding the thread, I just got too passionate about things I may or may not have felt at the time, and despite the fact that I mentioned logic several times...well, I misrepresented my feelings about logic, how logic is supposed to be looked at. I wrote a lot, and thus I was impulsive, I'd say that is one of my fatal flaws. The reason goes back to evidence...no, it goes back to the vagueness of pokemon. I impulsively said that, due to the vagueness and the inconsistencies, Pokemon does not follow logic. That was a mistake, and it's not at all true.

    Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde doesn't follow any logic, it truly epitomizes chaos, a simple lack of care and order. Pokemon, is different; but it's not so much vague as it is intentionally disregarding relaying info, and there's a good reason for it. Pokemon is an RPG that relies mostly on turn-based combat and the travel of a child (or a youth, in the case of Toko and Toya)on a journey to defeat the Pokemon League. It's a Turn Based Game that emphasizes the gameplay aspects rather than the world itself, many games are like this (such as the early Final Fantasy games, and really, a bunch of RPGs). Pokemon prides itself in its apparent simplicity, and its not so much that it's immature that it doesn't go into detail about this (it does, in various Pokedex entries), but it's that simplicity, that accessibility factor (which is largely why the games are so popular with kids) that gives the RPGs their charm (or their popularity, given your viewpoint).

    That's what I was referring to when I was talking about RPs, though again, I misrepresented my true feelings. Pokemon is indeed vague in various subjects, but not wrongly so, and it is because of that vagueness that we, as RPers, truly have freedom. We're not bound by matters to distinct, and many aspects are open to interpretation. We can theorize, make certainties that aren't necessarily fact. Like, what do pokemon actually do when they have eggs? One person could say they have sex, and another could say that, say, they extract blood from each other and that blood reacts and creates an egg. Neither of them are necessarily right, but they may not be wrong, either; and I know that that's very basic knowledge, but the reason I say this is because it really makes no difference if someone doesn't have solid, definitive proof that what they're saying is irrefutably true (well, there's another reason, actually). It is because of that that, with pokemon specifically, people can have as much fun as they want with it (in terms of imagination and the like, but can also refer to playing the games as well), because there is so much about the series that is subject to change (and interpretation).

    So yeah, those are my real thoughts on what was originally mentioned for just two paragraphs. I have no trouble with following canon, mainly because I spend a lot of time on wikis that I like when I look something up, and I'm not one to break canon very often (though I'm certainly not in the canon police, but I will call someone out on canon breaking due to my Ace Attorney fetish). As I said, my impulsive nature (in posting) is really my biggest (internet) flaw.

    In fact, it often gets me into some pretty crappy situations, especially since, as much as I like to deny it, I care far, FAR too much about what others think. I'm not insecure, and I don't know if I'd call it "caring"...I guess it's because I have a tendency to overthink things. A lot. It's great when it comes to things like philosophy and reviewing, but it's terrible when it comes to pretty much everything else. That's the reason I didn't come online yesterday, I really couldn't stop thinking about the discussion...and that's really the reason I had it cut short (well, the biggest reason). It really ruins a day. Playing Dot Hack GU (<3) intently helped, but even then I kept thinking about it. It's a big problem, considering I love discussions and the like. Actually, it's really the biggest reason I don't debate things with you, because the debates don't usually end well. I guess you could say that I'm sensitive, in that sense. It's something I'm getting better at dealing with, and I didn't feel the "pain" (if I can even call it that) from the last discussion that I usually do...not as much, at least. But really, I feel that the pain is felt most when I'm alone in my venture, when there are others who agree (or don't) that don't voice their opinions and views; that's why I said, a few months ago, that if you need any help you should just call on me. You shouldn't be driven away from legit and deep discussion because of ignorance, narcissism, and stubbornness, and the offer still stands. Enjoy your life, deprive you of something that should be so equally offered to everyone; just remember that you have friends that are willing to help you out, even if they're just strangers from the internet.

    ...Dear God, I wrote a lot. Sorry for ruining your profile page...'
  5. PkMnTrainer Yellow
    September 23rd, 2012 06:12 AM
    PkMnTrainer Yellow
    The "main forum"? I'm not sure I know what you mean...

    I used to frequent Other Chat... before I came to the RPC.

    Quite frankly, I felt like people tended to either just ignore me or use me as something to beat up on. People never really seemed to care for what I had to say, regardless of how reasonable I was, and I was attacked on a personal level quite a few times. I also felt unable to trust the local mod to protect my right to discuss without being attacked because they had a different opinion than I. Don't even get me started on the hypocrisy.

    Every post there made me feel as if I were throwing myself into a pit of lions for the right to speak my mind. Ceasing to read/post there lowered my stress levels by a large margin and literally managed to improve my quality of life, and not just because I stopped having bursts of rage every time a new terribad thread on Religion or Abortion reared it's ugly head. I eventually gave up. My health was not worth it. The discussions tended to resemble fights amongst wild animals moreso than the actual pursuit of truth or the betterment of oneself. I don't recall anyone except myself ever actually taking the time to admit their views had been changed by something someone had said.

    The stress and emotional turmoil was enough to bring out my own animosity at times too. And... that's why I do not go to Other Chat anymore. Given this was all... years ago? for all I know things are much different now, but I have just... never felt willing to give it another chance. If people really want to hear my opinions and my standpoints, they can ask me themselves.

    Why would they though? I've got a diagnosed disability that impacts my ability to understand the world around me! What was /I/ thinking? I'm honestly not sure why it bothers you that I often keep my thoughts to myself.

    ---

    Also, I wouldn't say that topic was unrelated to roleplay. Understanding your canonity is key to good writing. Sure, you can plow through the canonity and do what you want, and maybe even be a decent writer in the end. But a /great/ writer works around the canonity to get the same results. Respecting your canonity is not a limitation to your imagination, but rather it encourages you to find more creative, less crude ways to go about things.

    For instance, if I hadn't respected the game's canonity, Pokemon Fallout probably would've just been a standard "Yo, this is an alternate universe where pokemon and humans are born fused", and I dare say there is absolutely no way that concept could be written well enough to compare with the story I wound up writing because I took the time to work around the canonity instead of through it.
  6. machomuu
    September 22nd, 2012 04:01 PM
    machomuu
    I honestly don't understand why you don't visit the main forum. Before I did, but you're far to opinionated to remain in the RP forum; heck, I am too, but I have to restrain myself from going to the main parts of the forum (for various reasons). You really should go there, because no one, not even me, is willing to discuss something so unrelated to general roleplay, even if it's for the sake of genuine discussion. Such opinions aren't meant to be kept to oneself, especially being as controversial as they are.
  7. machomuu
    September 20th, 2012 06:27 PM
    machomuu
    Hey, Ms. East Coast, it's 10 PM, you need to go to sleep soon; PC will be here tomorrow.
  8. PkMnTrainer Yellow
    September 14th, 2012 06:28 PM
    PkMnTrainer Yellow
    I've been thinking about that yes. I'm just... not sure who. Perhaps I should ask in the OOC.
  9. machomuu
    September 14th, 2012 06:26 PM
    machomuu
    ...In that case, I'd consider getting a Co-GM for Fallout. These Sandbox RPs take quite a bit of moderation and effort, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get someone else to help out with it.
  10. PkMnTrainer Yellow
    September 14th, 2012 06:14 PM
    PkMnTrainer Yellow
    Mmhm. I'm GMing a single RP off PC currently.
  11. machomuu
    September 14th, 2012 03:36 PM
    machomuu
    Exactly, remember, you come first in all of this. Everything else should come second, if you don't take care of yourself...well, your essentially helping no one. That said, I don't think that you should take care of yourself simply for the sake of others, you have to set aside some love and care for the sake of pure self-respect. That segues into my next question, are you GMing any RPs other than those on PC?
  12. PkMnTrainer Yellow
    September 14th, 2012 07:16 AM
    PkMnTrainer Yellow
    I see what you mean... Perhaps it's a matter of kicking that habbit in the face to fix my muse. Guess I tried to sacrifice a bit too much for others, until there was nothing left for myself. Can't really help others either way if I can't help myself.
  13. machomuu
    September 14th, 2012 02:43 AM
    machomuu
    I don't think you need to do that; after all, you practically brought up a generation of RPers, already, directly or otherwise. You made a guide that is still one of the best and most in-depth apparatus one can go to for Roleplaying tips, in a sense, it's a real hand holder (I probably wouldn't be that good of a roleplayer without it). Not only that, but you go further out of your way to help people in need via in the discussion thread, and even those posts are rather sizable, and then there are all of the apprentices you molded into respectable roleplayers; those are some pretty big achievements.

    I'd agree about PC suffering from muse problems, but you're doing too much, already. People already know who you are and how helpful you are, and the impression you've made on PC's RP community; this is one case where I'd actually say you've no need to strive towards motivating others or raising morale. You've already got a lot on your plate, leave PC's improvement to us.

    ...Granted, I do realize that I'm actually telling to do less of what you love to do, and really it's not my place to say this, I don't feel that you should do something such as this out of obligation, and it'd definitely free up time for other things you may be interested in (or sleep or school) if you did take time off from PC or visited less.
  14. PkMnTrainer Yellow
    September 13th, 2012 06:20 PM
    PkMnTrainer Yellow
    Well... alright. I've got a handful of off-site RPs including chat RPs, I make music, administrate a website, I've got school, and...honestly? PC here is the only place currently suffering from such extreme muse problems.

    I feel like perhaps it's the atmosphere. I feel obligated to try extra hard, obligated to try and impress, obligated to set an example even when I'm not feeling up to trying hard.
  15. machomuu
    September 13th, 2012 05:15 PM
    machomuu
    Well, you know, all things considered, you don't RP too much. Is there something else that's depriving you of sleep and activity that's not too personal to share?

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