BTW, it seems there's a mix up a lot. I changed the E4 rules to include 5 elites, and the challengers had to beat any four in any order but with the same team. It wasn't woring out otherwise because the elites were so inactive for so long that they made a habit of it.
Sorry to bother you with yet another message man, but there has been a trend with the newest challengers that a lot of them have no idea what tiers are, so maybe next to the no ubers rule on the H&S OP we should leave a link to the smogon tiers page.
BTW I noticed something yesterday. I was helping ckn put up his badges and found that a sig can only have 10 images. So for the purpose of the badges on top or time and numbers, if any leaders drop the ball, it might be beneficial to kick their gyms. Just an observation. Otherwise I'll make badge cases for people.