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  1. Yoshimi
    January 19th, 2010 10:51 PM
    Yoshimi
    Come back! ;__;
  2. Agent Cobalt
    November 10th, 2009 04:40 PM
    Agent Cobalt
    You're still not understanding this- he used Christianity for prop-a-gan-da. He purposely reinvented Jesus as a Jew-hating warrior. This was something the Nazis invented called "positive Christianity" or Nazi Christianity. It was an attempt to appease the Christians until the time was right to destroy them. Hitler needed to pacify the majority to take control. So no, he didn't believe in an Aryan Jesus, he just invented one.

    Many Christians disagree on the issue, but most atheists believe in evolution. It was just an attempt to further show Hitler's true beliefs; he wasn't a creationist.

    Yes.
  3. Yoshimi
    November 10th, 2009 04:01 PM
    Yoshimi
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    Again, his words are propaganda. He had to momentarily sweet talk the church until he had absolute control. He viewed Christ as weak and responsible for the weakening of national spirit. Christ was a Jew, and his message of compassion and love ruined the ancient warrior spirit of the fatherland.
    Not to him apparently. He believed in an Aryan Jesus that fought against Jews, and kept stating that especially near the beginning of his rule. I don't see how that is sweet talking the Church.
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    I was only using his evolutionary beliefs to illustrate his non-theism. I'm only using it as evidence that he wasn't Christian.
    What? It sounds like you are saying Christians don't support evolution as a scientific theory. I'll have to correct you there, since I know many Christians who support Evolution.
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    Survival of the fittest was used as justification for many horrible crimes against humanity, none of which are advocated by me. Don't blame me for telling it like it is. Darwinism is the basis of totalitarianism and always has been.
    I do hope that you mean the philosophy and not the biology.
  4. Agent Cobalt
    November 10th, 2009 02:51 PM
    Agent Cobalt
    Again, his words are propaganda. He had to momentarily sweet talk the church until he had absolute control. He viewed Christ as weak and responsible for the weakening of national spirit. Christ was a Jew, and his message of compassion and love ruined the ancient warrior spirit of the fatherland.

    I was only using his evolutionary beliefs to illustrate his non-theism. I'm only using it as evidence that he wasn't Christian.

    Survival of the fittest was used as justification for many horrible crimes against humanity, none of which are advocated by me. Don't blame me for telling it like it is. Darwinism is the basis of totalitarianism and always has been.
  5. Yoshimi
    November 10th, 2009 01:10 PM
    Yoshimi
    I will retract what I said, and say that he wasn't a Christian. But I've heard enough quotes talking about his belief in Jesus Christ.


    Haha, no.
    I do hope that you at least know what evolution is, because what Hitler said was very un-evolution like, if you must. I don't even know if I should take you seriously at all since you used evolution in a statement supposedly proving his atheism.

    FYI, both you and Hitler are incapable of understanding eighth grade knowledge if you make the asinine assumption that survival of the fittest happens between individuals. It happens between species, and until you can give me evidence that Jews and Germans are different species, you are just being deceived by creationist media.
  6. Agent Cobalt
    November 9th, 2009 09:43 PM
    Agent Cobalt
    The quote comes from prominent Nazi and Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels. It's easily readable in declassified secret OSS documents.

    And... why are you still quoting Mein Kampf? I just gave you at least a page's worth of anti-Christian quotes outside of his propaganda speeches showing his disgust with Christianity. http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/chart.jpg

    Look, I'll say this once more- Mein Kampf and Hitler's speeches were propaganda for gaining the support of the German people. Hitler was a notorious liar and never held true to his word when it wasn't to his benefit. Or did he not violate the non-aggression pact with Russia? Hitler was an atheist. The best case you can make is that he had some pagan beliefs or practiced some occultism. He was not a Christian though, and his private words, actions, and secret plans prove that.

    As for evolution, Hitler was a firm supporter of Darwinism. The Nazi movement was based in part on the evolutionary policy of survival of the fittest. It was the foundation for much anti-semitism, racial politics, and of course the eugenics movement.
  7. Yoshimi
    November 9th, 2009 09:17 PM
    Yoshimi
    I was skimming through your quotes, and I would like to know where you got this asinine statement.
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    The German Fuhrer as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.
    Because this is a complete lie. He has quite a few things talking about his creationist thoughts.
    For example,
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    The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc., with which the individual specimens are endowed.
    Mein Kompf, vol. 1, chapter 11


    Anyone who has even an elementary knowledge of evolution will know that this is a completely ignorant statement.
  8. Agent Cobalt
    November 9th, 2009 08:00 PM
    Agent Cobalt
    Lol, way to ignore what I said about Hitler lying to attain power and influence. The only thing Christian about him was his upbringing. He was raised Roman Catholic. So was Joseph Stalin. They renounced their faith in their youth, however. There is much evidence from Hitler's agents and himself illustrating his contempt for Christianity. He destroyed churches because they represented what Nazism set out to destroy.
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    It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.
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    National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable.
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    There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.
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    The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.
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    National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.
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    Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.
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    One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both.
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    Antiquity was better than modern times, because it didn't know Christianity and syphilis.
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    The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
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    [I'm going] to stamp out Christianity root and branch.
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    I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews.
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    Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease.
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    The Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.
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    You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?
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    The German Fuhrer as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.
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    Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.
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    Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.
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    It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold.
  9. Yoshimi
    November 9th, 2009 06:59 PM
    Yoshimi
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    I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
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    What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfil the mission assigned to it by the creator.
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    The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!
    He destroyed churches because he thought it threatened his world power.


    And a few speeches from the 1920s, just for the hell of it.
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    My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
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    For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life
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    We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out
  10. Agent Cobalt
    November 9th, 2009 06:37 PM
    Agent Cobalt
    Yes he was actually. Hitler was a rabid anti-semite and anti-Christian. You need to read Mein Kampf, because in it he states his willingness to lie to get support. He wasn't Christian; he merely paid it lip service for support when the war's tide turned. He thought it weakened Germany and wanted to return to pre-Christian Germany. He thought Christianity destroyed Germany's warrior spirit. Mussolini was also an atheist. As a young member of the Italian Socialist Party he mocked religion and dared God to strike him down, and when nothing happened he mocked even further. Fascism is a form of socialism, and a while you don't need socialism to have atheism, you do need atheism to have socialism. It's a key component of the system. Socialists need to secularize the nations to prepare them for the transition to Communism.

    Hitler wanted to kill the Pope, destroy the Catholic Church, killed countless priests and nuns, replaced the Bible in schools with Mein Kampf and changed the state religion from Christianity to Nazism. "It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood." The SS were forbidden from believing in God. The Fascists and Nazis were both secularists and socialists and determined to remove God from the public square. The same goes for the Communists Lennin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, and so on.

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