January 19th, 2010 10:51 PMLuck
Come back! ;__;
November 10th, 2009 4:40 PMAgent Cobalt
You're still not understanding this- he used Christianity for prop-a-gan-da. He purposely reinvented Jesus as a Jew-hating warrior. This was something the Nazis invented called "positive Christianity" or Nazi Christianity. It was an attempt to appease the Christians until the time was right to destroy them. Hitler needed to pacify the majority to take control. So no, he didn't believe in an Aryan Jesus, he just invented one.
Many Christians disagree on the issue, but most atheists believe in evolution. It was just an attempt to further show Hitler's true beliefs; he wasn't a creationist.
November 10th, 2009 4:01 PMLuckQuote:Again, his words are propaganda. He had to momentarily sweet talk the church until he had absolute control. He viewed Christ as weak and responsible for the weakening of national spirit. Christ was a Jew, and his message of compassion and love ruined the ancient warrior spirit of the fatherland.
Quote:I was only using his evolutionary beliefs to illustrate his non-theism. I'm only using it as evidence that he wasn't Christian.
Quote:Survival of the fittest was used as justification for many horrible crimes against humanity, none of which are advocated by me. Don't blame me for telling it like it is. Darwinism is the basis of totalitarianism and always has been.
I do hope that you mean the philosophy and not the biology.
November 10th, 2009 2:51 PMAgent Cobalt
Again, his words are propaganda. He had to momentarily sweet talk the church until he had absolute control. He viewed Christ as weak and responsible for the weakening of national spirit. Christ was a Jew, and his message of compassion and love ruined the ancient warrior spirit of the fatherland.
I was only using his evolutionary beliefs to illustrate his non-theism. I'm only using it as evidence that he wasn't Christian.
Survival of the fittest was used as justification for many horrible crimes against humanity, none of which are advocated by me. Don't blame me for telling it like it is. Darwinism is the basis of totalitarianism and always has been.
November 10th, 2009 1:10 PMLuck
I will retract what I said, and say that he wasn't a Christian. But I've heard enough quotes talking about his belief in Jesus Christ.
I do hope that you at least know what evolution is, because what Hitler said was very un-evolution like, if you must. I don't even know if I should take you seriously at all since you used evolution in a statement supposedly proving his atheism.
FYI, both you and Hitler are incapable of understanding eighth grade knowledge if you make the asinine assumption that survival of the fittest happens between individuals. It happens between species, and until you can give me evidence that Jews and Germans are different species, you are just being deceived by creationist media.
November 9th, 2009 9:43 PMAgent Cobalt
The quote comes from prominent Nazi and Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels. It's easily readable in declassified secret OSS documents.
And... why are you still quoting Mein Kampf? I just gave you at least a page's worth of anti-Christian quotes outside of his propaganda speeches showing his disgust with Christianity. http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/chart.jpg
Look, I'll say this once more- Mein Kampf and Hitler's speeches were propaganda for gaining the support of the German people. Hitler was a notorious liar and never held true to his word when it wasn't to his benefit. Or did he not violate the non-aggression pact with Russia? Hitler was an atheist. The best case you can make is that he had some pagan beliefs or practiced some occultism. He was not a Christian though, and his private words, actions, and secret plans prove that.
As for evolution, Hitler was a firm supporter of Darwinism. The Nazi movement was based in part on the evolutionary policy of survival of the fittest. It was the foundation for much anti-semitism, racial politics, and of course the eugenics movement.
November 9th, 2009 9:17 PMLuck
I was skimming through your quotes, and I would like to know where you got this asinine statement.
Quote:The German Fuhrer as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.
Because this is a complete lie. He has quite a few things talking about his creationist thoughts.
Quote:The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc., with which the individual specimens are endowed.
Anyone who has even an elementary knowledge of evolution will know that this is a completely ignorant statement.
November 9th, 2009 8:00 PMAgent Cobalt
Lol, way to ignore what I said about Hitler lying to attain power and influence. The only thing Christian about him was his upbringing. He was raised Roman Catholic. So was Joseph Stalin. They renounced their faith in their youth, however. There is much evidence from Hitler's agents and himself illustrating his contempt for Christianity. He destroyed churches because they represented what Nazism set out to destroy.
Quote:It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.Quote:National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable.Quote:There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.Quote:The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.Quote:National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.Quote:Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.Quote:One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both.Quote:Antiquity was better than modern times, because it didn't know Christianity and syphilis.Quote:The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.Quote:[I'm going] to stamp out Christianity root and branch.Quote:I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews.Quote:Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease.Quote:The Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.Quote:You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?Quote:The German Fuhrer as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.Quote:Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, haggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.Quote:Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.Quote:It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold.
November 9th, 2009 6:59 PMLuckQuote:I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.Quote:What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfil the mission assigned to it by the creator.Quote:The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!
And a few speeches from the 1920s, just for the hell of it.
Quote:My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.Quote:For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national lifeQuote:We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out
November 9th, 2009 6:37 PMAgent Cobalt
Yes he was actually. Hitler was a rabid anti-semite and anti-Christian. You need to read Mein Kampf, because in it he states his willingness to lie to get support. He wasn't Christian; he merely paid it lip service for support when the war's tide turned. He thought it weakened Germany and wanted to return to pre-Christian Germany. He thought Christianity destroyed Germany's warrior spirit. Mussolini was also an atheist. As a young member of the Italian Socialist Party he mocked religion and dared God to strike him down, and when nothing happened he mocked even further. Fascism is a form of socialism, and a while you don't need socialism to have atheism, you do need atheism to have socialism. It's a key component of the system. Socialists need to secularize the nations to prepare them for the transition to Communism.
Hitler wanted to kill the Pope, destroy the Catholic Church, killed countless priests and nuns, replaced the Bible in schools with Mein Kampf and changed the state religion from Christianity to Nazism. "It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood." The SS were forbidden from believing in God. The Fascists and Nazis were both secularists and socialists and determined to remove God from the public square. The same goes for the Communists Lennin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, and so on.
November 9th, 2009 6:04 PMLuck
Hitler wasn't an atheist.
I suggest you read Mein Kompf.
that is awfully strange, because socialism is not atheism. I am a proud non religious person, and I believe that capitalism is the best system of government.
And loyal to God, I seriously lol'd at that. I guess you will stone me to death since I did some work on the holy day?
November 9th, 2009 6:01 PMAgent Cobalt
Uh, yes it was because they were atheist. Atheism is a key plank of Marxism. One only has to read the Communist Manifesto to understand that Marx wanted the abolishment of religion and the creation of a new man free of spiritual belief. It's why the Communists and Fascists always targeted religious groups, destroyed the churches, executed the priests, and persecuted believers. Socialism is an attempt to rebuild man with a new nature, an atheist nature. Loyalty to no God, but to the state. If the crimes of the Catholic Church are the crimes of Christianity, then the crimes of Hitler and Stalin are the crimes of atheism.
November 9th, 2009 5:56 PMLuckQuote:And yet that's an issue of corruption, not religion. Galileo was a Christian as were almost all our great scientists and thinkers.[/ Honestly, if you oppose religion for starting wars, religion should be the least of your concern. Atheism and secularism have killed, tortured, and exterminated more people in less than a century than Christianity in thousands of years The worst Christians have sadly done, the Inquisition for instance, is nothing compared to the atheistic bloodshed of the worst tyrants in history.
FYI, Galileo was only Christian because no other methods were known. No one knows what they might have been if they knew about molecular biology, abiogenesis, or evolution. What did they have back then? Almost nothing, apart from a Bible in their hand.
The pursuit of knowledge is the only thing that I care about, and there is little that I care for as long as the knowledge is gained, depending on the amount. I'm not trying to justify what they have done, but there are much more atheists finding cures for your diseases to help mankind then the ones that hinder it.
November 9th, 2009 5:12 PMAgent CobaltQuote:Fair enough, I would like for you to point me in the most recent graph of crime rates over the whole world.Quote:do you change every variable, or just one?Quote:But the fact that they aren't religious doesn't mean that they are evil.Quote:I'll very well admit that I am glad that Kim Jong Il was reported to have a rare case of cancer, because he was really corrupt.Quote:There were also good secularist leaders, as well as good Christian and bad Christian leaders. Now I would say Thomas Jefferson, but his multiple insults to Christianity as a whole don't necessarily mean that he isn't a Christian.
Quote:Not necessarily. There is actually not that much correlation going on because I see communist areas both at the top and the bottom. Even though the US is fairly distant from the top, I also see a lot of other free countries well below it.Quote:If you do want more though, I did hear that Louisiana has one of the highest crime rates in all of America. It is also a very conservative area and the test rankings are almost last(44th in the nation), with liberal Vermont, Massachusetts, and Connecticut dominating every other state.Quote:I have a personal vendetta against religion myself since it inspired destruction of scientific advancement for centuries, such as the Catholic church jailing Galileo for claiming a round Earth, burning down the Alexandria library(thus destroying history as well), and causing many unneeded wars, among other things that it was at least partly responsible for.
November 9th, 2009 4:13 PMLuckQuote:First off, the last link was 9 year outdated. Regardless Those countries all have variables.
Quote:Those Europeans however have smaller populations than us (we have over 300 million people). England for instance, while secular, has seen a huge increase in crime over the years. In proportion to us, they're not that different.Quote:But let's look at the ultimate secularist states- Cuba, China, North Korea, Vietnam, and Laos. Do you think an atheistic, Communist regime willing to murder millions of its own people to maintain power, is going to have a high crime rate? No, they're slaves to the state, and know no God but their rulers. That's the end result of secularism. When God goes, anything does.Quote:That's also another point though- the freest nation has more crime than the least free. Why? Because we offer choice and free will, and the North Koreans for example offer obedience or death. So you made a good attempt at finding a correlation between religion and crime, but I'm afraid it doesn't work. I suggest learning about causation vs correlation.
Not necessarily. There is actually not that much correlation going on because I see communist areas both at the top and the bottom. Even though the US is fairly distant from the top, I also see a lot of other free countries well below it.
If you do want more though, I did hear that Louisiana has one of the highest crime rates in all of America. It is also a very conservative area and the test rankings are almost last(44th in the nation), with liberal Vermont, Massachusetts, and Connecticut dominating every other state.(I do have sources, but I don't know if you would call them as accurate as, say, the FBI reports, even though deliberately lying is low.)
>Here< is the chart made by the FBI about the crime rates, and the more liberal areas generally have less crime overall.Quote:So you made a good attempt at finding a correlation between religion and crime, but I'm afraid it doesn't work. I suggest learning about causation vs correlation.
I have a personal vendetta against religion myself since it inspired destruction of scientific advancement for centuries, such as the Catholic church jailing Galileo for claiming a round Earth, burning down the Alexandria library(thus destroying history as well), and causing many unneeded wars, among other things that it was at least partly responsible for.
And Correlation=/= causation doesn't always work. Even though you are correct, this information cannot be just put away and not treated seriously.