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November 18th, 2009 03:28 PMAgent CobaltYeah that's what I thought.
Next time you want to challenge someone that actually knows what they're talking about, make sure you're not biting off more than you can chew. Don't waste my time next time, guy.
November 18th, 2009 03:25 PMGold warehouselol, I can't be bothered to read all of that BS, I just don't give a damn about your blind pro-America ramblings + I find it hard to take anyone who has a picture of George Bush in their signature seriously. I'm sorry that you have been brainwashed by propaganda.
November 18th, 2009 03:17 PMAgent CobaltQuote:This was not a selfless act to fight against tyranny, as you make it out to be, Lend-Lease brought benefit to the US, they were making profit from a war they refused to take part in
Even then, though, you're distorting the purpose of Lend-Lease into being some war profiteering effort, which it wasn't. The goal of Lend-Lease was to halt the spread of Fascism and preserve the Allies. You're framing this around whether the US benefited from it, rather than why it was done, and that's not going to get you anywhere.Quote:You failed to notice my sarcasm here, of course the Soviets were selfish and aimed to conquer parts of Eastern Europe. My point is, America is no better, no nations are really. Even Britain and France only declared war because they were fearful of Germany's increasing power.
And had you any grasp of history you wouldn't have made such a foolish remark to begin with. The United States was absolutely better than the Soviets. Only one who's either blind to the actions of both nations in that war and afterward or one who is ignorant of reality would claim the role of the US to be no better than that of the USSR. Which nations in that war did the US enslave and turn into puppet colonies? Last time I checked, the people were trying to flee the East for the West, and I think you know why.
The Soviets were no different than the Nazis in their brutality, actions, policies, and goals. I can never understand moral relativists that actually have it in their heads that all nations are equal in standing. The USSR and USA were incomparable when it came to anything, other than maybe size. To say that the United States, no nation even, is better than the Soviet Empire was is to play the fool.Quote:What about China, Russia and North Korea? I don't seem to recall America "liberating" them, oh that's right, they're too powerful and there's no easy way the US can screw their country up.Quote:Korea was split up due to the allies in the first place due to the aftermath of WWII, it was in America's own interest to prevent the North from conquering them. The same applies for all the countries you listed, it was all part of the feud between the USSR and the USA, not because America wanted to protect those countries at all.Quote:It's funny that you should mention Afghanistan, the very country that our nations are fighting against at this moment; America provided them with plenty of weapons to shoot the Soviets with, they're probably using the same weapons to shoot back at their suppliers now.Quote:Germany was weak because of the Treaty of Versailles, put upon them by the Allies. That is why the Nazis came to power, even then nobody retaliated because they didn't care until after they started becoming too powerful and conquering neighbouring nations.Quote:Killing helps keep the peace? What. Of course peace arrives after everything's been destroyed and thousands have been killed, because there's nothing left to fight for. You seem to be forgetting the definition of the word 'world' in this case.Quote:The Taliban only came to power because America failed to aid Afghanistan in the aftermath of the Soviet-Afghan war, once the war was over and the Soviets had withdrawn there was nothing to gain by continuing to interfer in Afghanistan's matters, so they were left to fight amongst themselves.Quote:The military causes just as many problems if not more than the amount it solves.Quote:I'm not a pacifist and I realise that war is sometimes inevitable, but you're trying to claim that war brings good to the worldQuote:and that America is on a mission to save the world by killing "barbarians" whilst aiding and saving the innocent in an act of complete selflessness, which is entirely untrue.
November 18th, 2009 12:52 PMGold warehouseQuote originally posted by Agent Cobalt:The United States got in late, absolutely. Once in, though, our goals were clear. And even before entering, we made it a huge part of our policy to fight the Axis Powers through programs like Lend-Lease. We did our best to arm, aid, even feed our allies in an attempt to undermine and halt the Axis Powers. So throw away the historical revisionism.
Quote:Three words- The Phony War. The Soviets, up until their invasion by the Nazis, were the willing co-conspirators of the Nazis and Axis Powers. For some time the USSR was considered by many as part of the Axis. They worked alongside the Nazis to conquer, dominate, and tear apart Europe for their empire.
Quote:I think South Korea, the Dominican Republic, Greece, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, and Eastern Europe would disagree.
It's funny that you should mention Afghanistan, the very country that our nations are fighting against at this moment; America provided them with plenty of weapons to shoot the Soviets with, they're probably using the same weapons to shoot back at their suppliers now.
Quote:That equation is missing something. What did we do after the war? Oh right, we disarmed, as did the world. I'll repeat myself- War comes, not when the forces of freedom are strong, but it's when they're weak that tyrants are tempted.
Quote:Killing sure ended the Pacific War and brought peace there. It ended the War in Europe. Killing has done a lot of good and helped keep the peace. When's the last time Germany's invaded a democracy? It's called the Democratic Peace. The United States is not actively liberating everyone, no, but it is benefiting the world with its actions against our enemies, for our enemies are the world's enemies.
Quote:I think the Afghans would disagree. Or should we have bribed the Taliban?
Quote:Yeah, and how effective are they? I still see global warming activists running around, but every day I'm learning we're even closer to Armageddon. My point was that I'm actually being active in solving real problems for real people.
I'm not a pacifist and I realise that war is sometimes inevitable, but you're trying to claim that war brings good to the world, and that America is on a mission to save the world by killing "barbarians" whilst aiding and saving the innocent in an act of complete selflessness, which is entirely untrue.
November 17th, 2009 05:31 PMAgent CobaltDone.
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