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  1. PorygonSquared
    September 20th, 2008 02:34 PM
    PorygonSquared
    Exactly. You've never heard of CLAMP. This just shows how utterly ignorant your "Misty is one of the few girls who is not of the female anime stereotype in all of anime" is. Watch more anime before making such an idiotic statement.

    "If I wanted to control them, I would have thought that girls shouldn't read, shouldn't be intelligent, and would have been nothing more than sex objects for males to dominate over."

    Maximilien Robespierre claimed that he was revolting for the people, but ended up being just as controlling as the monarchs, if not more so. The only difference is what he and the monarchs supposedly stood for. Just because you say you are not controlling doesn't mean you are not.

    P.S. Isn't it ironic that you claim to be fighting for females, and yet you are fighting with a girl (Jorah)?
  2. weedle_mchairybug
    September 20th, 2008 02:08 PM
    weedle_mchairybug
    I don't desire to control females. Heck, I don't want to place anything upon my control, Period, since I want to be an egalitarian, not an imperialist.

    Also, the Hair thing was terrible, beyond a doubt. I mean, would you like a girl who is almost obsessed with her own appearance? No, I don't think you would. Heck, I don't think anyone would.

    As for part about Misty's "Bad attitude", as I said before, it's only when she is insulted by someone where she actually does do that (and I don't just mean a "Percieved insult" [as in, she takes literally every letter in the vocabulary of someone as being an insult to her {similar to Naru Narusegawa, in a sense}.], I mean one that is undeniably an insult by everyone (for example, several nasty things that Ash and Brock did to her {saying she shouldn't participate in "Kids day" just because she is a girl, Brock playing a joke on her in regards to the grass, Ash's references to Misty being ugly, or scrawny, etc, etc.), and Anyways, would you rather have someone who can't do anything but cry when hurt emotionally, unable to fend for herself, or would you rather have someone who can fight back if hurt emotionally, and is perfectly capable of fending for herself?

    As for Elf, my mom, and I, when we saw that movie, saw it as being nothing more than a stab at people who are innocent (they portrayed innocent people through Buddy as being almost having an IQ and maturity level of 1.)

    Also, I observed how girls acted in school (even in 5th grade, most of my female friends weren't even highly focused on makeup, looking pretty, or anything like that.), so, even though I myself am not a girl, I do have an Idea as to what they are. Also, as I said, I just want to help girls. If I wanted to control them, I would have thought that girls shouldn't read, shouldn't be intelligent, and would have been nothing more than sex objects for males to dominate over. Basically, in translation, if I truly wanted to control Girls, I would have had the exact same beliefs as Gaston from beauty and the beast (which I don't, nor do I ever want to have them.)

    BTW, I haven't really heard of CLAMP, and I DON'T stereotype anime as being Shounen, and even if I did stereotype it as Shounen, I definitely don't enjoy doing that. BTW, unlike most feminists, I'm not really for or against emphasis on love (in general, at least. now, if they portrayed them as being... oh, I don't know, like Airheads who are almost... ah... hookers, then yeah, I'm DEFINITELY against that.), plus, my main objections are girls being portrayed overly sexualized, and having their behavior being nothing more than loud, whiney, obnoxious, silly, spoiled, throwing temper tantrums, like the girls from Princess versus Princess, Love Hina, Witchblade, almost all of Master Roshi's magazines, Pizza, all of those girls. I don't necessarily object to girlyness.
  3. PorygonSquared
    September 20th, 2008 01:45 PM
    PorygonSquared
    You make a big deal over the hair thing, and don't care about Misty's bad attitude. What makes the latter any less likely to influence people as the former? And we went over Elf already, and how you missed the point.

    Maybe girls are not the be-all and end-all when it comes to how their kind should act, but they are sure more qualified than you, because, well, they are actually girls, while you're just some guy who wants to control how girls should act. I'm betting that you probably think the CLAMP manga group is sexist against women for portraying them as girly and their emphasis on love, despite being run by a group of females. But then again, I doubt you have even heard of CLAMP, considering how you enjoy stereotyping anime as Shounen.
  4. weedle_mchairybug
    September 20th, 2008 07:11 AM
    weedle_mchairybug
    "Wait, I thought we were talking about Pokemon. You failed to address my point about how a lot of girls look up to May and Dawn, and obviously the appeal wouldn't be there if they didn't have positive traits. Basically you're saying that May and Dawn aren't really that bad compared to the starlets and supermodels."

    Maybe I am, but they still seem to be a bit of a bad influence. Besides, I knda stated how they can be a bad influence. For example, the whole Innocence thing could be attributed to the whole "you must fall for every single prank" thing (since that's what "Innocent" is defined as now and these days, especially with movies such as "Elf" and the Bewitched movie.), plus, I don't think how May handled Manaphy's (second) abduction attempt would have been a good example. Heck, looking in the mirror, and posing in outfits, and throwing a fit if their hair or something is ruined are also very Bad influences.

    Besides, Just because someone (even a girl) thinks that that's how girls should act doesn't mean that this IS how girls should act. Look at the Triplets from "Beauty and the Beast", for example. They acted just like what Gaston invisioned women to be like (in other words, extremely unintelligent, only desiring to be with a man, etc. etc.), and that belief was flawed in and of itself.

    "And considering eating disorders, yes the media is one factor, but not the only one. You seem to be unable to see that there is usually more than one cause to an effect. Personally, I believe that the whole "weight loss" (the media blew the "healthy weight" thing completely out of proportion) craze also is a factor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_disorders#Causes"

    Err... Yeah, that craze (I believe it was "Atkins Diet") was also promoted heavily in regards to that. Also, even if there WERE more causes than just the media, my various health classes, the way they taught how Bulimia and Anorexia were caused, and how bad they are, made it seem as though the Media IS the way they are getting these things.

    "Like I said, people tend to travel in groups. It may be awkward, as people usually group same-gender, but on television, where demographic representation is necessary, guys are grouped with girls. As aspiring trainers, they can both help each other in ways that one couldn't alone."

    Yeah, but you also said that it's pointless for Misty (and brock, but he isn't necessary to our debate, since we both agree on him) to follow Ash on his journey, which completely contradicts what you just said.
  5. PorygonSquared
    September 20th, 2008 06:54 AM
    PorygonSquared
    "Even if that were true, I really need to point out that some girls actually MIMIC what some starlets do (all of which have no positive feedbacks whatsoever), which, yes, DOES need to be stopped. Plus, some girls try to mimic supermodels's bodyshapes in a flawed sense of trying to achieve the standard body, and it has negative effects through their actions (and indirectly the Modeling/Playboy-esque magazines), as some of them either refuse to eat entirely, or stuff their faces full and then heave them out, which, either way, ISN'T a good thing."

    Wait, I thought we were talking about Pokemon. You failed to address my point about how a lot of girls look up to May and Dawn, and obviously the appeal wouldn't be there if they didn't have positive traits. Basically you're saying that May and Dawn aren't really that bad compared to the starlets and supermodels.

    And considering eating disorders, yes the media is one factor, but not the only one. You seem to be unable to see that there is usually more than one cause to an effect. Personally, I believe that the whole "weight loss" (the media blew the "healthy weight" thing completely out of proportion) craze also is a factor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_disorders#Causes

    Like I said, people tend to travel in groups. It may be awkward, as people usually group same-gender, but on television, where demographic representation is necessary, guys are grouped with girls. As aspiring trainers, they can both help each other in ways that one couldn't alone.
  6. weedle_mchairybug
    September 19th, 2008 07:56 PM
    weedle_mchairybug
    "According to Korobooshi Kojiro, a lot of people were aroused by Ariel's outfit when he was a kid, so it could be considered fanservice in a sense."

    Maybe, but it wasn't enough of a fanservice especially since it wasn't part of a Lawsuit against Disney (especially since that film alone spawned the whole "Happy" bishop lawsuit and the phallic tower lawsuit.)

    "Do I want girls to act like May and Dawn? Considering that they both have a lot of female fans, they must have quite admirable traits, so if they want to emulate their good parts, by all means yes. Why should I stop them?"

    Even if that were true, I really need to point out that some girls actually MIMIC what some starlets do (all of which have no positive feedbacks whatsoever), which, yes, DOES need to be stopped. Plus, some girls try to mimic supermodels's bodyshapes in a flawed sense of trying to achieve the standard body, and it has negative effects through their actions (and indirectly the Modeling/Playboy-esque magazines), as some of them either refuse to eat entirely, or stuff their faces full and then heave them out, which, either way, ISN'T a good thing.

    "Concerning May and Dawn, it at least makes sense that they would travel with other trainers to get experience and companionship. Rarely do people travel alone. Misty and Brock are Gym Leaders, though, so they seem to have little business travelling with some random trainer."

    In regards to May, maybe that's true, but she still shouldn't have traveled with Ash during the battle frontier, since she really didn't need to accompany him due to having learned tons of things in Hoenn.

    As for Dawn, some of the people who watched Collision of pokemon worlds said that Dawn joining Ash and co. was a pointless decision. They even stated that she had even LESS of a reason for Joining Ash than Tracey, which, coming from a guy whose sole reason for joining is to meet Professor Oak, says a lot. They even pointed out that, considering how (relatively) well she did in her first day, she didn't really need to Join up with Ash.
  7. PorygonSquared
    September 19th, 2008 07:41 PM
    PorygonSquared
    According to Korobooshi Kojiro, a lot of people were aroused by Ariel's outfit when he was a kid, so it could be considered fanservice in a sense.

    Do I want girls to act like May and Dawn? Considering that they both have a lot of female fans, they must have quite admirable traits, so if they want to emulate their good parts, by all means yes. Why should I stop them?

    Concerning May and Dawn, it at least makes sense that they would travel with other trainers to get experience and companionship. Rarely do people travel alone. Misty and Brock are Gym Leaders, though, so they seem to have little business travelling with some random trainer.
  8. weedle_mchairybug
    September 19th, 2008 07:29 PM
    weedle_mchairybug
    "Concerning your fanservice examples, those only prove one type of fanservice. In every respectable information source I've seen, fanservice in anime is defined as anything that is fetish fuel. This covers a wide variety of things, not just how you see it."

    Yeah, but even still, it still seems to be the more common usage of fanservice. Besides, being in one, in itself, isn't ACTUALLY fanservice. Take Ariel from the Little Mermaid, for example, she wears naught but a seashell bra in her mermaid form, and no one really mentioned it as "Fanservice" (especially since no one sued disney in regards to her surfacing as a human for the first time.)

    "Concerning your complaints about May and Dawn, I strongly suspect that you are preaching to an audience that doesn't know squat about Pokemon. Your aunt, for example, seemed to never see May, only going by your word. And I am very surprised if most of your school is interested in Pokemon. Even discounting the fact that many people ridicule it nowadays, clearly ~900 students should have more diverse interests. You can't just assume that they all know what you are talking about. On a related note, I saw your comrades' comments on Youtube, and they sound like they are just playing along with you without actually believing what you are saying."

    Actually, I'm pretty sure they would have insulted me if they truly didn't like it (I mean, thats what most of the reviewers did, though most of them have more commented on my appearance more than the actual moral.). Besides, most of the kids at my school seemed to have at least heard about pokemon. Another thing, I didn't just give my aunt my word, I also went as far as to show pics of May and compare them with Misty.

    "You still never addressed my point about how you seem to assume all girls that like May and Dawn act like skanks and b****es. Having been around such fans, it seems hypocritical that you would call the girls stereotypes and yet imply stereotyping her fans in turn. In fact, there is one user that likes May and hates Misty, and she isn't exactly a girly girl either."

    I thought I did. I mean, they acted whiney, vain (I know, I know, May looked in a mirror ONE time, but she was also vain in the sense of posing in different outfits and, well, "stripping", for a lack of a better term. Now DAWN, yeah, she DEFINITELY was vain, for more than a few episodes.), spoiled, and airheaded. I mean, is that really how you want girls to act? Do you honestly want them to act almost like the Triplets? I mean, heck, one of my cousins mentioned how she didn't like those Gaston Fan-triplets because of how they acted, and I agreed with her.

    "Definitely I agree with the Brock thing. However, I cannot possibly see why Misty has to necessarily return to the main cast and not do her own thing instead. And I cannot see why you couldn't make your own TV show instead of complaining about someone else's."

    In regards to making my own TV show, it's because I'm not exactly old enough yet, and I still have to work on video editing systems as much as I can learn about them before I actually DO make my own. Also, did you agree with me on the May (her rejoining Ash in Kanto, I mean?) and Dawn thing, as well?
  9. PorygonSquared
    September 19th, 2008 07:11 PM
    PorygonSquared
    Concerning your fanservice examples, those only prove one type of fanservice. In every respectable information source I've seen, fanservice in anime is defined as anything that is fetish fuel. This covers a wide variety of things, not just how you see it.

    Concerning your complaints about May and Dawn, I strongly suspect that you are preaching to an audience that doesn't know squat about Pokemon. Your aunt, for example, seemed to never see May, only going by your word. And I am very surprised if most of your school is interested in Pokemon. Even discounting the fact that many people ridicule it nowadays, clearly ~900 students should have more diverse interests. You can't just assume that they all know what you are talking about. On a related note, I saw your comrades' comments on Youtube, and they sound like they are just playing along with you without actually believing what you are saying.

    You still never addressed my point about how you seem to assume all girls that like May and Dawn act like skanks and b****es. Having been around such fans, it seems hypocritical that you would call the girls stereotypes and yet imply stereotyping her fans in turn. In fact, there is one user that likes May and hates Misty, and she isn't exactly a girly girl either.

    Definitely I agree with the Brock thing. However, I cannot possibly see why Misty has to necessarily return to the main cast and not do her own thing instead. And I cannot see why you couldn't make your own TV show instead of complaining about someone else's.
  10. weedle_mchairybug
    September 19th, 2008 06:12 PM
    weedle_mchairybug
    "There's a difference between confidence and arrogance. The fact that you are unable to bear criticism smacks more of arrogance than confidence."

    I know the difference between arrogance and confidence. however, I am not arrogant in regards to this. I mean, even I know about the low chances of success in regards to it (and continuously mentioned to my friends the low chances of success.). Arrogance implies that you don't see the flaws on the plan in the first place (or in some cases, blinded to your own faults, and persecute others for crimes that even you yourself commit.). I, however, am not arrogant in this case. I am actually confident.

    "I'm concerned that you actually think that this boycott is more important to the people in poorer nations than other issues, such as survival. Many people in the world don't even have TV's, let alone have the ability to watch Pokemon. You need to widen your global perspective."

    Oh, trust me, while I do think the boycott is important (as is trying to stop a potentially dangerous negative stereotype), I know it's not NEARLY as important as trying to give food and money to the poor. I just want to help stop a stereotype that's potentially dangerous, that's all.

    "You need to distinguish between evidence and proof. One example is evidence. However, it is merely one example. Often, many words have more than one meaning.
    There are many different angles of fanservice, and I suggest you do some research to learn about it."

    Oh, trust me, I have far more examples for this definition, that was only the first one I thought of (and, consequently, one of two, maybe three, that is tasteful, and yet proves my point.). Though, if you do want more evidence (though by todays standards, they always seem to play evidence and proof as being the exact same thing.), I'll make sure I'll post it (However, I do strongly advise you to wear sunglasses or any dark lenses, since most of the pics may be dirty [as I said, I want to prove my point in regards to how this is bad.].).

    "Most? Can you kindly produce statistics to lend credence to that statement? And I don't do things to be liked. On other forums, I'm not usually like this, but the sheer idiocy of the anime forum has led me to this attitude."

    Err, aside from the fact that you yourself explicitly said that Misty fans seemed to be picking on May fans (especially you, from what you said) from our first meeting on Serebiiforums?

    "While it is true that many females avidly like May and Dawn, what makes you think that they are negatively affected by them? What offends me is your implication that females cannot like the girls because it will turn them into awful people. It is implied you support feminism. What gives you, a male, the right to say what females should do or not do? (for that reason, I don't consider myself a feminist)?"

    Because these beliefs were inherited by my mom. Also, another thing, most of the females (and in many cases, Males) in my school actually agreed with me, even stating it's a good reason to bring Misty back. Also, when my Aunt, during thanksgiving, mentioned how several girls have larger breasts than usual, I told her that May was ten, and she then saw that I had a very good point in regards to May.

    "The Team Rocket trio is evil in name only. That is, they try to be evil, but they constantly fail. Also, the trio is known to actually have empathetic sides unlike the actually evil villains in the series, which leads them to do good deeds when there is a greater evil force."

    True, I guess my hatred of Team Rocket as a whole might have blinded me to the fact that JJM are the least evil (though, Ironically, they seem to call themselves bad guys). Still, however, even IF I were to herald her, it still won't be enough (I mean, even Charaxes stated that as well.), plus, even you have to admit that she did appear topless in a certain hot springs D/P episode. Besides, comical or not, anti-heroish or not, they've been labeled as villains for far too long (the kids, and some CotDs labeled them as Bad guys), and as a general rule, people don't usually follow the villains example. (Notice how, when in a theater, or watching a tv show with a friend, they don't usually root for the villains, and actually go as far as to tell them to defeat the villain.)

    "Anyways, concerning Misty, you might want to take a look at this:
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...FauxActionGirl"

    I read a part of it, and, well, it's implied that she wasn't doing anything heroic at all, when, really, that wasn't the case. I mean, she did get them out of the St. Anne when it sunk (and considering how they actually had to traverse over a burning pit, I'd say that it was QUITE Action movie related. Plus, there's the fact that Misty stopped the Tentacruel invasion, (i mean, her even getting to the top of the building was suspenseful since she was at risk of Tentacruel's tentacles smashing against the building, even you have to admit that.).

    Besides, even if she didn't beat up villains, WHO CARES? most of her actions in saving the day were heroic, whether it beat up someone or not. Actually, just having the main action hero just beat people up or kill them is only going to lead to a disaster film.

    EDIT: By "Disaster film", I mean a box-office bomb, not something of the Disaster genre.

    Since you are apparantly a Simpsons Fan (or you have at least watched it), I'll give you an example of such a case where an action film involving beating people up is considered a Trash movie:

    in "Beyond Blunderdome", Homer works with Mel Gibson involving a remake of the movie "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" (and he picked him since Homer was honest about how it, err... "sucked".), Homer had the entire Filibuster scene rewritten (with Gibson's approval) to feature a lot of gunshots, explosions, and basically the typical Action Movie scene. The Hollywood executives disliked the change, and feared that it would spell a lawsuit and low ratings, Homer and Mel escape with the film, and when they DO air the version in the theaters, people were complaining about how bad the movie's ending was, and the granddaughter of Jimmy Stewart threatened to sue them.

    So really, now you must ask yourself, would you rather want a female protagonists who does nothing more than blow off heads and shoots and cause explosions for some unknown reason other than just to be an Action Heroine (or, in the case of Pokemon, a battling maniac), or would you rather have her be heroic in a bit more subtle manner? I'd prefer the latter, since I am well aware of the flaws of the former (That's not to say I don't want her to do anything action heroic, since I do very much want her to do heroic things action movie style, but there is a limit to these things.)

    "I do not see how following some boy is going to help come closer to becoming a Pokemon Master of some sort, not if Misty could just go by herself and not get shafted."

    Funnily enough, I don't see how May and Dawn following Ash would help them become Master Coordinators (I mean, at least in Hoenn, it was somewhat understandable, but she didn't NEED to follow Ash around in Kanto, even IF there were Contests there, plus, Dawn did quite well on her first day, so she didn't really HAVE a reason to follow Ash.). Heck, I don't see how Brock following Ash would grant him the title of Worlds Best Breeder (Ironically, even though he was the only one of the main cast to win a major competition (ie, something equated to a League or higher) on the first try (the Breeder Convention), he STILL seems to follow Ash, even though he should be able to handle it on his own.

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