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  1. BettyNewbie
    April 15th, 2015 09:53 PM
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    Yeah, to me anything newer than Gen 2 is still a "new gen Pokémon" or "one of the newer games", despite the fact that some of the people on this forum probably weren't even born yet when those games came out (it blows my mind that people here weren't born when Gen 1 came out, Gen 3 is just like "omg you guys are babies how did you find the internet?" haha). I had someone randomly comment on Christmas today saying they probably won't be playing it because they are 12 and like flashy graphics. I wanted to say a lot of things, but I just said "Have fun with that, then. Thanks for stopping by." It's like seriously, kids these days. smh.
    Good grief, someone who's 12 isn't even old enough to have experienced Gen 3! (And, *I* was 12, myself, and had mostly grown out of Pokémon when RS first came out! Scary! )

    And, to think, that even the kids who did grow up with Gen 3... aren't exactly kids anymore. The 7-8 year olds of 2003 are the 19-20 year olds of today, which is why so many college aged people were hyped about ORAS. RSE were their "Gen 1," so they love it and worship it as much as we do RBY. Time sure has flown.
  2. BettyNewbie
    April 14th, 2015 04:58 PM
    BettyNewbie
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    Haha, I know I'm kind of the odd-man-out these days by still being focused on the first two gens. I know the nostalgia is a large part of why I'm still involved in the hacking scene at all, and I don't have as much nostalgia for Gen 3. I do have plans to make some Gen 3 hacks eventually, but not wanting to give up Gen 1 and 2 either.

    ...

    And yeah, it really doesn't seem like 2006 should be almost a decade ago. And I mean when someone says "10 years ago" I still think of the 90s, not 2005. I was in highschool in 2005, that can't be a decade ago! At least that's what my mind thinks. Then again, my brain was hit by the y2k bug, I know. Ever since 2000 I've had the worst time keeping track of how long ago things happened. It's like I *know* it's 2015, but 1997 was only a few years ago. And my car is still brand new, even though I got it in 2008. And while I was in college, I once accidentally wrote the date as 1998 on an in-class writing assignment by accident. Nevermind the fact that I was in like... 4th grade in 1998? lol.
    I'm often the same way, myself. "10 years ago" still equals "the 90s," even though 1999 was 16 years ago, now. It's a big reason why I still see RSE as "new Pokémon" instead of nostalgic, even though the games are 12-13 years old now. Stuff that came out in the 21st Century when I was a teenager just doesn't seem like it should be nostalgic at all.

    (Plus, it still feels like we've only just moved into the era of late 80s and 90s nostalgia. It's way too soon to start getting nostalgic for the 2000s, especially since it was only 5-6 years ago that we were calling them the "Worst Decade Ever.")

    Of course, these kinds of discussions reveal a hard, yet unavoidable truth about us Millennials--We're no longer the youngest ones out there. An entirely new, younger generation has been born in the 20 or so years since us, and they've become old enough to start having a real presence on the internet. That early-mid 2000s stuff we sneered at for being "lame" and "not as good as the 90s" (like, again, RSE) is their nostalgia, and they've got no shame about it.

    This hilarious Buzzfeed article may be relevant here.

    (Oh, and speaking of them, they've unironically hopped on the 00s nostalgia train. I feel old. )

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    I mean, I can't blame him for sticking with Charizard, since Charizard looking cool on the box for Red Version is part of what got me into Pokemon in the first place, and my first starter was of course Charmander lol. But I know what you mean.
    Which is why Charizard cards are worth a fortune. Even today, it's still one of the most popular and iconic Pokémon ever, often eclipsing even the mascot, itself.

    As for myself, I was more into Meowth/Persian back then (big cat lover here), but Charmander's line is cool.
  3. BettyNewbie
    April 13th, 2015 08:39 PM
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    In Gen 2, it's crazy simple to make a person just follow you around on the map. Trick is making it work across maps, since it doesn't work that way (NPC following you would get unloaded) so it seems like you'd have to get into whichever routine draws the player and expand it to always draw an NPC behind you too. Or something like that, anyway. That's how I'd try to go about it if I was going to try and add it since I don't know how Yellow did it. Seems like it would be easier said than done, especially in a gen that doesn't have a disassembly. Maybe one day we'll get it working!
    *Sigh* I wish there was more interest in Gen 1-2 hacking. Understandable as it may be, it's annoying how much further behind GBA hacking GB/C hacking is, despite RBY/GSC being older games. You deserve props for being one of the few people left who still messes with RBY/GSC and isn't cranking out FireRed hacks like almost everyone else.

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    Honestly, I'm not either. But I was friends with Fangking Omega when he was the one in charge of it (back when it used Gen 3 style graphics and stuff) and I ended up helping out with tiles a bit, and made some concept sprites of trainers (but not the ones they ended up using). Wow, guess that really was a long time ago. It's funny how time works. That feels like a long time ago, but other things from back then seem like they were just the other day. #nostalgia
    I gather you're not fond of their decision to switch to a Gen 4 style look (aka. your most hated style).

    Yeah, it is hard to believe how long ago that was. 2006 was almost a decade ago now.

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    For her sake, I hope she got on with her dreams and at the very least put more effort into her goals than Ash did. "Gotta catch 'em all" eh? More like "Gotta catch like 5 and then quit" :rolleyes:
    And, only evolve 1 or 2 of them before dumping them all (except Pikachu) off at Prof. Oak's after you lose the League and move on to another region. Can't have any old or ugly Pokémon, unless they happen to be extremely marketable and badass-looking fire-breathing dragons. "Gotta market 'em all," right?

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    I blame Gamefreak catering to Smog Heads. "Change clothes? Psh. I'm too busy spending all day trying to breed an Eevee with perfect IVs and the right nature so I can *starts rambling bull**** nobody cares about*
    Ironically, some Smog Heads complained about the removal of character customization because everybody would look the same in wi-fi battles, but this has zero effect on the many who exclusively use emulators like Showdown (who don't even deserve to have any say on how the games turn out, if you ask me).
  4. BettyNewbie
    April 12th, 2015 09:57 PM
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    Definitely. Plus, that would open the doors to porting some of the yellow-exclusive features to Gen 2, such as following Pokémon and (going out on a limb here) the surfing Pikachu Mini-Game. But that's getting the cart before the horse, so to speak.
    Yeah, the following Pokémon would be huge. I partially blame people's lack of knowledge about it on the lack of Yellow hacks. Few have really explored Yellow's code, so most can't figure out how the mechanic works.

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    I haven't done it yet, but I was planning to give the Elite Four stronger rematch teams in Christmas as well, for the same reasons
    Yay!!

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    Yep! I also made the New Bark Town houses in Crystal Dust, unless he has changed them since then. I didn't make them specifically for those projects though. A long time ago I was on the team for that fan game "Pokémon Acanthite" and somewhere along the road, someone made that game's tileset public asking you to credit "the Acanthite Team" and so yeah. A few things on that huge tileset are from me, but certainly not all of them haha.
    *One Google Search later*

    Oh, a fakemon hack. Yeah, not too much into those, myself.

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    A Misty series could be fun. We'd finally get to see what she's been up to after leaving Ash. Probably being a lot more productive without him around.
    Yeah, being with Ash undoubtedly held her back. (As well as getting saddled with that Togepi.) Unfortunately, it appears that the anime's writers have a vendetta against her. She hasn't been seen or heard from in a decade, and she was never given true closure to begin with. We still don't know whether or not she fulfilled her goal of being a Water Pokémon Master.

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    Yep, you've got a point there. That is definitely one thing that Gen 3 did get right. Maybe they'll bring back character customization in a Red remake, so even if they do try to make Green into something weird, we can make her how we want. Sorry, I know I keep bringing that feature up, but I liked it >.<
    Yeah, as long awaited as character customization was, it was pretty rotten of GF to dump it in ORAS. Could they have, at least, let us dress May/Brendan in their older outfits?
  5. BettyNewbie
    April 12th, 2015 02:38 PM
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    Well, disassemblies take a long time haha. But they are slowly but surely working on adding the option to build Yellow into Pokered (which can currently build Red or Blue). That will be nice once they get all the way there!
    That's good to know. I'd like to see more Yellow hacks, myself.

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    Yep, I've raised the Gyms' levels for Kanto. They were, at that point, basically a joke in vanilla GSC and we can't have that!
    They obviously wanted to keep their levels equal to or below Lance's for story reasons (with only the character who canonically defeated him, Blue, surpassing his levels). Lance can't so easily claim to be the Champion if the likes of Misty and Sabrina have stronger Pokémon than him, after all. HGSS got around this issue by having an Elite Four rematch after beating the Kanto Gym Leaders, so they could have higher levels now.

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    Crystal Dust is awesome. Not gonna lie, if you compare a few areas in Crystal Dust and in Christmas you'll notice that some of my maps look pretty similar, since we were both using FireRed graphics a lot.

    Also, I'm pleasantly surprised nobody has accused me of stealing the Celebi Shrine from Liquid Crystal (and I think Crystal Dust) since I actually made the original that they used, and then devamped it for Christmas xD
    Oh, I didn't know you made the Liquid Crystal/Crystal Dust Celebi Shrine. That's pretty neat.

    Crystal Dust isn't bad at all. It's great for people who want a more updated Gen 2 that can be played on VBA and/or doesn't have HGSS' many design changes. It's a very literal remake like FRLG, but luckily, Crystal was a more complete game than RBY to begin with.

    I'm more "eh" on Liquid Crystal. It's nice that they tried to do something different with Gen 2, but it's not-so-nice that their "something different" was a completely new and boring and irrelevant Evil Team. If a Gen 2 sequel was what you wanted to make, then make a Gen 2 sequel. Don't shoehorn a sequel plot into what is supposed to be a remake.

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    Yeah, once Pokecrystal gets to the point that it can build the rom on its own without having to include chunks of the original rom, I'll probably end up using it for Gen 2 hacks, and it would make things like that at least somewhat easier.
    Yeah, that'll be a huge step forward for GSC hacking. Crystal's a better base than Gold, anyways.

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    Maybe they can replace it with a reboot that would be better quality, and everyone wins!
    Ah, if only. I'd love to see an Ash that was more of a true counterpart to Red, or even just a completely new series centered around a different character. (I'd love to see a Misty-focused series, myself.)

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    I mean, c'mon Gamefreak. You can make a female character cute pretty or feminine without overdoing it and making them look... well.. like that. smh...
    Yeah, just look at, well, Green, herself. She has long hair and wears a skirt, yet isn't drenched in pink and still looks practically-dressed and battle-ready. Also, May wore a dress in Emerald (albeit, with bike shorts underneath), but again, she looked strong and battle-ready and wasn't all weak and frilly-looking as her ORAS counterpart. (Coincidentally, both are Gen 3 designs. Whatever its other faults, it was a good Gen for female PC designs.)

    Dawn, on the other hand, looks like she would rather go shopping than become Champion, and Lyra's just a skinny, cutesy moeblob cosplaying as fem!Mario. Ick.
  6. BettyNewbie
    April 11th, 2015 05:35 PM
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    The Gen 2 Graphics patch would be doable, I'm gonna currently say No on Yellow though, because I wouldn't know how. I honestly wouldn't even know how to put it in Red using a hex editor instead of the disassembled source code, like I'd have to do for Yellow, so I don't know how to put it in Yellow. Maybe one day!
    Maybe, someone should do a disassembly for Yellow, then? I don't think that game has been explored enough, anyways, and people might learn more about how the following Pokémon mechanic works. (As it stands now, Yellow is comparable to how Emerald was several years ago, a stabler and more advanced base that was poorly-understood and thus, rarely hacked.)

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    Yep! Viridian Forest, Cerulean Cave, Safari Zone (although it is planned to be a bit different, probably doing Friend Safari like the Johto Safari Zone will be, or it might be more Safari Zone-like, I'll have to see when I get there), Pewter Museum, all that stuff that was taken out will be back. You also get Old Amber in Kanto, and can revive it by taking it to the Museum like in HG/SS. So yeah, should be plenty I can mention to promote it
    Yeah, it'll be fun to see a more complete Kanto in GSC, Safari Zone and all. Will you also raise the Gym Leader levels like HGSS did?

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    Adding new names is relatively easy, but still, having a bunch already in Emerald is a major plus too for sure!
    Definitely. At this point, there's literally no reason to hack Ruby over Emerald. Emerald has everything Ruby has, plus more, and on a far stabler base, to boot. It also has more to offer than FireRed for all but the very lazy and inexperienced.

    When it comes to GSC remake/reboot hacks, in particular, Emerald is the best base. Unlike FireRed, it has a clock and berry trees, as well as a phone device, and the Frontier Pass also gives you a second trainer card of sorts. No surprise that the most accurate fan made GSC remake to date is on an Emerald base.

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    That's what I did with Christmas, so that's what I'd end up doing here as well I'm sure. Really the only way to go unless the Crystal disassembly gets a lot further along to make it viable to do something crazy like restructure the data to let you use 2 bytes to store Pokemon and Move IDs instead of one, so you could have more than 255 entries lol.
    I'm sure GSC hacking will eventually get to that point. Remember that it's only been recently that people have figured out how to have more than 386 Pokémon in the GBA games, games that people have been hacking for more than a decade now.

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    Oh yeah, I was never saying it was a good idea to only use them as eye candy regardless of age, I just meant it would be less gross if they hadn't insisted on claiming they were 10. It's like, it would still be perverted, but at least they wouldn't be trying to make themselves and fans look like pedos on top of it.
    That entire interview I quoted was just sickening. If you ever needed evidence of why the anime went so far off track after the first couple of seasons or so, look no further than Masamitsu Hidaka's statements to PokéBeach. He knew very well that they had been turning the show to crap, and he didn't give a damn about it.

    Luckily, though, the anime's time may have finally run out. The ratings have hit rock bottom, and there's enough evidence even in the show, itself, that they may be planning to finally retire Ash and end the show for good.

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    Wait, for real? That's news to me. I don't think I've ever heard anyone of any gender have anything nice to say about Lyra o.O

    I've always gotten the impression she was near universally hated, and everyone either preferred Kris or just didn't care about her one way or the other. I've only ever heard her outfit described as "ugly", "weird", "mario-looking" or "stupid" (or something similar). Guess I learned something today. You're right though, Gen 5 was a lot better, especially White/Hilda. To me, Rosa seemed a little less normal because I just wasn't quite sure about her outfit but still better than Lyra.
    Oh, Lyra has her fans. I can't understand them at all, myself, and how anyone could tolerate that dumb mushroom hat, Mario overalls, and clown stockings, pervert or not, but some things are like that.

    Yeah, the Gen 5 girls were a huge step up from Gen 4's. Yes, Hilda's shorts were kind of short, and Rosa had that weird Sailor Moon hair, but they were both strong-looking and practically-dressed, as player characters should be. (Rosa even holds the honor of being the first female PC to have her legs fully-covered, albeit with a wetsuit instead of pants.) I think both of them being explicitly teenagers instead of pre-teens helped; there was less of an impulse to make them all cutesy like Dawn and Lyra were.

    With Serena, they went back to a girlier design, but, at least, she isn't drenched in pink like Dawn (and her skirt's a little longer, too, especially when you consider, like Hilda and Rosa, she's also definitely an older teenager), and you can actually change her outfit in the game.

    As for new!May, on the other hand... I'm not so sure about her. Right away, I don't like how her legs look like literal toothpicks. She makes even Lyra look chunky! And, I'm definitely not fond of her bow and added frills and her younger, girlier look, in general. Despite her girly, fanservicey anime counterpart, game!May was strong and assertive-looking, especially in her Emerald art. This is why I really wish they had brought back customization in ORAS, even if it was only to put May back in one of her older outfits.

    Suffice to say, when and if Gen 1 gets remade, I fear for Green. At the very least, she'll probably get a girlified redesign like May, but more than likely, she'll get dumped for a new character like poor Kris. HGSS already retconned her out by only showing Red on Mt. Silver, and the new remakes would likely be redos of the original games (particularly, Yellow) instead of FRLG. Plus, Green was the only PC besides Kris to have never been established as separate character in the game. If you play as Red, she doesn't exist, and vice-versa. Since the new remakes would likely put the unselected character in a secondary rival role (like HGSS did), that only increases the odds of them just making a new female PC out of scratch instead of trying to un-retcon an older one. Sucks, I know.
  7. BettyNewbie
    April 11th, 2015 11:01 AM
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    I'll see if I can make a patch for Gen 1 that adds it without re-arranging too much data when I recompile it, so it won't like super interfere with existing hacks (hopefully). With Red++, I was intending to let people use it as a base, but I am making no effort to make old editors work with it, since it would be much easier to edit it as source code the way I'm doing and recompile it.
    At the very least, I'd want a patch that's compatible with the Gen 2 graphics patch. If possible, a separate one for Yellow would be nice, too. (Yellow's data is a little different from RB's, so RB patches won't work with it.)

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    I'll see what I can do, not sure when Kanto will be ready to release. Some of it is already done and just inaccessible in the current release, but at this point I don't actually remember off top of my head. Once I get a release for Red++ out, I'm just gonna go play around and explore Kanto and make a check-list of things that need adding/fixing/etc and start crossing them off, like I did with the Johto release. And while I'm doing that, I'll be tryin to keep in mind things to talk about while promoting it!
    Well, you're adding back areas like Viridian Forest and Cerulean Cave, right? I know a lot of people would like to see those things in GSC Kanto. There's a lot of things you can promote when the time comes.

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    Yeah, Fire Red is popular for a few reasons off top of my head. I know people like the fact that it has multiple Town Maps by default without needing to know how to add more by ASM, it has more trainer sprites you can use, since it has all the FrLg sprites AND the RSE sprites usable, and a lot of pre-made patches are for Fire Red and not Emerald, so lazy people want to just use that. But in terms of what it has to offer, I feel like Emerald is much better as a base.
    If I'm not mistaken, Emerald also has multiple maps hidden in its data for FRLG compatibility, as well as possibly for the event islands. (So, a Pokémon that was caught on, say, Route 1 will say "Met on Route 1" if traded to Emerald.)

    FireRed became the most popular base for hacks because it's very stable and simple, while still being relatively modern. Its default graphics also happen to be less ugly than RSE's. People only used Ruby if they really wanted to have a clock or berries, but now since more is known about Emerald, they're starting to use that more, as it's better than Ruby in every single way.

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    Well, I'm gonna try and keep from changing canon TOO much, but yeah, having an updated Gold Version with the nicer tilesets, gender selection, P/S Split, Fairy Type (but not as many new moves because Gold has barely any slots available), the HG/SS locations added, etc. would be nice
    Yeah, that's the downside of Gold, fewer slots available for both moves and Pokémon. I'd say, replace the things that seem useless or redundant.

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    I've always refused to believe they were actually 10, since even in the official art almost none of them actually look 10, and I would say that based on the games they don't act 10, and it seems hard to believe that even in the Pokémon world, people would let their kids move out on their own at 10. That said, to sexualize them and use them for fanservice while swearing up and down that they are 10 is just... eww. I mean, if they wanted to say they were generically teens, it would at least be a bit more socially acceptable and less pedo, but still not a good call for them.
    Well, they're all explicitly stated to be 10 in the anime (which is separate from the games), so, yes, it's as gross as it sounds. But, even if they were older, treating your female leads as nothing but fresh meat for horny teenage boys is just all sorts of wrong. A lot of girls watched Pokémon, and many of them identified with Misty because she wasn't some boring fanservice stereotype. Throwing her away for May and her inflated chest (and later, Dawn and her tiny skirt) did nothing but alienate those fans. (If Johto's boring-ness didn't already do so.)

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    I don't even feel like Lyra works as eye candy, unless people have a Fem!Mario fetish.
    I've seen many people (or, I should say, many guys) go on about how "cute" she is, so yeah. Gen 4, in general, was a low point for female PC design, as it was the same Gen that gave us Dawn and her pink miniskirt. Luckily, Gen 5 made up for it by giving us a couple of strong, practically dressed female PCs.
  8. BettyNewbie
    April 10th, 2015 07:56 PM
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    Mhm! I even wrote a tutorial on how to include gender selection in Gen 1 as well (although now it needs to be slightly updated I think, but eh, close enough). And since I tend to play as the female character because of reasons, I enjoy having that option as well.
    That's great. I'd love to see a gender selection patch for RBY/GS, because I'd love to play as a girl in the vanilla games as well as hacks.

    Cool that you like to play as a girl.

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    While it would be a bit late to change the name, it's never too late for promotion, you're right! Guess I'll just have to try and hype the Kanto release a lot more when the time comes :3
    Yeah, that's what I'd try to do. If you have to, downplay the Christmas aspect and put more emphasis on things like the Gen 3 tilesets, new Pokémon, P/S Split, new areas, and whatnot. There's a lot of people who would like to have those things in a game without the hassle of Natures/EVs. (Like, myself. )

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    Yeah, when I get around to making a Gen 3 hack, my current plan is using Emerald as a base. I have this crazy idea to put Dive areas and Secret Bases in Johto, and to have functional berry trees, and all three of those would be a lot easier to add in Emerald than Fire Red.
    That's a big reason why more people are hacking Emerald to begin with, nowadays. In the past, Emerald's coding wasn't understood as well, so most people wrote it off as an unstable, difficult-to-hack base in favor of Ruby and FireRed. It wasn't until later on that people started to fiddle with Emerald more and realized that it was far more stable than Ruby and that it was capable of far more than both Ruby and (especially) FireRed. Because of this, you rarely see Ruby hacks anymore, and FireRed's popularity has somewhat slowed down (although it's still very popular).

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    I think he kept the same name, and I don't still have a link to the thread anywhere. Not sure if it's even still around, that was a long time ago lol. I can try to look into it though.
    Well, since he was banned (interested in knowing why, if you don't mind), it's possible that the thread was deleted. It's probably for the better. PC has enough mukty Team Rocket hacks.

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    That's a pretty cool idea, and one I've thought about. A lot of the devamped graphics that I used in Christmas were ones I originally made for something I was going to call "Gold DX" which would be Gold with updated graphics and maps (like Christmas ended up having) and new features, like gender selection and Wonder Trade, which also ended up in Christmas. I can still see myself doing that, and maybe tossing in a few tweaks to help it fit in with any accidental changes to canon that happened because of Christmas or Red++ or something. So basically, you might get your wish one day :p
    When you finish Red++, I wouldn't mind seeing Gold DX revived as its sequel. At this point, we can almost assume that Red++ will change GSC's canon (whether intended or not), and I wouldn't mind playing through Gen 2 with things like Fairies and the Safari Zone, anyways.

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    Misty: How old are you?
    Ash: 10
    Misty: How long have you been 10?
    Ash: ...A while.

    Ok, not an actual quote, but it's pretty show-accurate. I guess kids are still watching it even though we outgre the anime a while back, so they're still making it, and keeping Ash forever young and giving him a new pseudo-girlfriend each season. smh.
    I like the Ho-Oh theory about Ash's non-aging, but that doesn't make it any less stupid. They want the show (and their source of advertising for the games) to go on forever, which means that Ash must be 10 forever (and always lose every single League he participates in), because Mew forbid they replace him with a new protagonist every Gen.

    There's a darker side to the show's disposal of female leads every few seasons. It's less about giving Ash a new pseudo-girlfriend and more about giving the (presumably male) audience a new pseudo-girlfriend:

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    So then I said, “Why can’t you just ditch Brock, have Ash, have Misty, and then bring in a new boy? That would be switching up things instead of having a new girl.” His following answers made me laugh my head off I had to pick it up off the floor and reattach it. He stated that they like to switch up the girls because it gives the boys some new eye candy every once in a while. He also said girls are more customizable and you can change their outfits, like when they are in their bathing suits (yes, he specifically said that). He also said Ken Sugimori designs a new girl with each generation and that gives them another excuse to switch the girl, though I reminded him that there is also a new boy with each generation too, and it wouldn’t hurt to use them.
    All together now: EWWWWWWWWWW!!!

    And, yes, these presumably 10 year old girls have been played up as fanservice in the show. Even nowadays. Blech.

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    Definitely! I hate that they replaced her with Lyra in HG/SS, because Lyra is just so bleh, yknow?
    Like most of Ash's traveling companions (save for Misty and Iris), Lyra was aimed at the creeps who like to draw 10 year old girls like this instead of the normal people who draw them like this. They wanted to bring some new "eye candy" into HGSS, and Kris (like Misty) was too much of a tomboy, so she was dumped for a younger, cuter, girlier version.

    Sure, people can play the "HGSS are Gold and Silver remakes" card all they want, but Eusine, Buena, and Extremespeed Dratini don't lie. Lyra was 100% moe fanservice, plain and simple.
  9. BettyNewbie
    April 9th, 2015 10:01 PM
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    That was written before I had a viable way to include gender choice, and probably has some outdated info. The current plan is to make Jack the male player and Jael the female one, with the other showing up in-game the way Hiro and Mei do in Christmas.
    That sounds good. While I grew up just fine with RBY/GS, it's kind of hard to go back to playing as a guy when you've been given a female option in other games, you know? One thing I love about Red++ is that it proves that gender selection IS possible in Gen 1 (so RBY hacks have less of an excuse for excluding it, now ).

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    Indeed. Plus, a lot of the events aren't even that related to Christmas, it just takes place at Christmas time, if we're being honest. Only thing is now people know it by that name and it would be weird to change the name. :/
    Very true. The hack just needs to be promoted more, I think. The newest version isn't 100% finished yet, so you still have time.

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    When I started it, Gen 3 hacking wasn't even as advanced as it is now lol. We were still using tools like Elitemap and RS Ball and stuff.
    Hacking in general was less advanced back then. Gen 1/2 were even further behind Gen 3, despite being older games. Obviously, most people prefer full color graphics and the newer stat/battle system, so most people gravitated towards GBA hacking, and since the DS games proved to be not as hackable, GBA hacking continues to dominate. (Although the bases have changed over the years. Back then, Ruby was a very common base, while nowadays, Emerald is far more common. FireRed still beats both, though.)

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    I remember at one point, Pyro and I planned on abandoning Secrets and Rumours, because at the time we didn't think we could pull it off. And someone asked to take over, and we agreed. He promptly ignored the stuff about being a remake with rumours added and turned it into a ****ty team rocket hack. Then he got banned. Then later I brought the hack back to life the way it was supposed to be. :p
    Ooh, drama. What was this "mukty Team Rocket hack," anyways? I want to see how much your game was butchered.

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    Wellp, time to do some promoting of gen 1 and 2 hacking, then sit back and wait so we can party like it's 1999!
    Tell me about it. I love name-dropping my favorite RBY/GSC hacks in threads. (Which includes your games. )

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    I don't buy the lack of room argument that gets tossed around all the time. There is a LOT of free space in a vanilla Gold rom. I didn't use any kind of "clearing patch" for Christmas, I left most of it intact and just added new stuff. I deleted the original tileset data to save room, but yeah :p There are several whole rombanks at the end of the rom that are completely empty, nothing but 00s (which was free space in Gen 1 and 2), and most of the banks that hold event text and scripts have plenty of free space at the end of them as well. For example, Gamefreak could have very easily given us a full-size Kanto without shrinking maps and removing areas if they wanted to, there was plenty of room for it, they were just lazy
    I guess you could say that GF's developing skills were, well, "less advanced" at the time. I mean, just look at the loads and loads of glitches that the Gen 1 games had, or the terribad sprites that RGB (and even some from Yellow and GS) had. The fact that we had to wait until Crystal to get a female protagonist when, as it turns out (thanks to your hack), even RBY had room for one, says it all.

    A future hack I wouldn't mind seeing is Gen 2 getting a HGSS-style makeover, like a "Gold++," if you will. However, I'd definitely keep Kris over Lyra and most of the major characters in their older designs (one area where, with a few exceptions, HGSS really screwed up).

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    Because doing it right would make too much sense. GameFreak has something in common with the university I went to, in that respect xD
    It's been a long time since the anime's done it right, I'm afraid. How in the hell has it even been allowed to go on this long?

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    Well, when you get to the E4, Kris is the Champion, so in that respect she could be. When they are encountered as an NPC, Mei wants to be a Coordinator and Hiro wants to be a Breeder. So in that version, Kris could be the real protagonist and the others are her supporting characters, even though she is presented as the friendly rival in-game.
    Yeah, that works. It can be a story about the rival. (And, Kris needs more love, anyways.)
  10. BettyNewbie
    April 9th, 2015 05:13 PM
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    I really need to update that. Actually, that wiki is abandoned, and I'm planning to move the info to another wiki but haven't gotten around to all of it. It wasn't wanting to let me change the url and name properly on the old one, and the name Skeetendo Hacks wasn't accurate after Skeetendo didn't really want a hack wiki, and it was mostly going to cover hacks from Mateo and Cartmic. I need to edit the description on the main page before I promote it, since Celadon Mansion merged with PHO a couple years ago, but yeah.
    Yeah, I thought you might want to update that page. It seemed kind of sparse and awkwardly written.

    (BTW, the description on the page leads me to believe that the hack won't have a female PC option. No, it's not a complete deal killer, but I'd honestly prefer to play as "Jackie" instead of "Jack.")

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    On the actual topic though, yep, it's a Halloween Hack -- but I'm not going to name it that and I'm going to treat it as a normal hack. I ended up wishing that I had given Christmas a better name, since a lot of people wrote it off as a simple gimmick hack, and the mods wanted to put it in the sideshow section at first because they didn't realize it was a complete overhaul based on the name. Gonna try and market this one better to avoid the gimmic assumptions and any presumed release deadlines that come with it :p
    Yeah, too many people still think that Christmas is just vanilla Gold with snowy tilesets. (The fact that the 2012 version mostly was that doesn't help matters.) The name doesn't really do the hack justice.

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    Yep you pretty much nailed it. Although I'm guilty of at least one of those, since Secrets and Rumours has been around for.. umm... over a decade at this point I think. And you can get 2 badges in the current demo. (In my defense, instead of adding length, each demo basically overhauled it to be a lot more accurate than the previous demo, and the demo was about long enough you could play it and kill time during a class).
    Dang, I never knew the hack was that old. Of course, you can be sort of excused for that since GSC hacking just wasn't anywhere near as easy or as advanced as RSE/FRLG hacking. You didn't have a million, easy-to-use editing tools at your disposal.

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    But yeah, I initially wrote of Team Rocket Edition 2 because of the name. I was like "Oh great, another ****ty team rocket hack by somoene who wants to be edgy" and... from what I can tell, I was like 8 kinds of wrong about that. But that's just an exception, not the rule.
    I, myself, wrote off Team Rocket Edition 2 because of Team Rocket Edition 1, a generic "play as the bad guy" game with blah graphics and hideous level curves. It's amazing how much they decided to overhaul the game in the sequel.

    On, the flip-side, the vast majority of the millions of FireRed Team Rocket Hacks rarely even go as far as TRE 1 did. Blech.

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    Maybe the return of Gen 1 & 2 nostalgia and the hacks to go with it will help bring about a shift in the overall quality of hacks. Maybe. (And if/when I eventually make one of those Gen 3 hacks, I'll try to go for the same feel and quality I strive for in Gen 1 and 2 hacks of course).
    I know I'd love that. RBY/GSC are harder to hack and easier to screw up, so maybe that'll force more people to make some quality stuff. Way too many people can just grab a FireRed ROM, load it into a few programs, click a few buttons, and bingo, out comes a hack.

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    Well, I've always assumed it would have only been your starter that followed you, like in Yellow. Having 9 overworlds that can follow you is a lot less space than 251. No idea for real though, it could have been planned to be the way it was in HG/SS, but you never know. Starters-only is how I personally would do it if I was going to.
    That is true, although it's possible that there wasn't any room for even 9 sets of overworlds. Remember that GS were still on GB carts, after all, instead of the larger GBC ones.

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    I was a bit disappointed that they didn't have honey trees in HG/SS to be honest, since like you say they were added for realsies in the same gen, and they were clearly planned for Johto originally.
    Seeing as they removed all of the Berry Trees from Johto, despite Gen 2 being the first to introduce Berries, it doesn't surprise me that much. GF has a knack for removing features from remakes for the sake of "nostalgia." At least, HGSS added enough new things to make up for the losses, however. FRLG didn't, which is why they sucked.

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    Richie looked more like Red than Ash did at that point, which was weird. It's like if Richie is a parallel universe version of Ash or something.
    Well, Ash and Ritchie are both based on Red, with Ritchie being more of a pallete swap (with him wearing green and yellow as opposed to Red's and Ash's red and blue).

    I honestly never understood what the point of his character was. Oh, wow, another n00b who refuses to evolve most of his Pokémon. He ultimately didn't even win the damn tournament, losing to an even more pointless, faceless, generic Rando. Why couldn't they have just followed the games and had Ash lose to either Lance or Gary, instead?

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    If I wrote it, I would almost certainly be basing it on Christmas, and in that story, both the male and female players show up in-game regardless of who you choose and seem to go on similar paths, and Kris is there as well. So it could conceivably follow all 3 of them as the main cast, and occasionally have chapters devoted to each of them to go into things they are doing while the others aren't around.
    Well, of course they'd all be there, but only one of them can be the Champion (and thus, the "true" protagonist).
  11. BettyNewbie
    April 8th, 2015 08:53 PM
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    This hack would take place between RBY and GSC, so Team Rocket hasn't returned yet. It would have a lot more focus on ghost and dark types and supernatural elements, but it wouldn't be one of those that tries to go all grimdark creepypasta edgy emo on you. Pretty sure I've mentioned it before though, but not sure.
    It's a Halloween hack, right? Yeah, I've heard of it. Sounds pretty neat.

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    Hahaha yeah I was kinda proud of myself when I made up the Dork Raisin nickname :p

    And yep, that's exactly how it goes. Once anyone can do something with minimal effort, you end up with two situations. People with good ideas and less technical know-how can make a good game now, aaaaand people with bad ideas and less technical know-how can make a ****ty game now. And guess which one of those scenarios ended up flooding PC :rolleyes: The hacking scene sure has changed a lot since I first started. Then again, that was a decade ago so a lot has changed everywhere once I stop to think about it.
    Yeah, sadly, PC is cluttered with all sorts of "fanfic hacks," all with terrible, unrealistic stories, horrible spriting, bad gameplay, and loads of glitches. Many also have either mukty fakemon or badly-inserted Gen 4-6 Pokémon. (Yes, I've actually seen people use poor quality screenshots of XY models as "sprites.")

    Bonus points if it's a Team Rocket hack or any other kind of "play as the bad guy" hack. Double bonus points if the female PC has glitched sprites and is referred to as a boy in the game because the hacker was sexist and assumed that nobody would want to play as a girl. Triple bonus points if it's been sitting around incomplete since 2008.



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    Yep. One example is an unused... umm.. person value thingy in the code. Telling an event to do something to person 00 makes the player do it, 01 does nothing, and the people events on the map start at 02. What was 01? I'm guessing it was the Pokémon that was originally supposed to follow you. I've heard there is some leftover code dealing with it too, but I'm not sure how much there is and stuff. I know that Honey Trees like DPPt had were originally intended for Gen 2, because there is beta text left in the rom where a person explains to you how to use "SWEET HONEY" and describes putting it on a tree and coming back later to find a Pokemon there.
    Interesting. I'm going to guess that following Pokémon might have been scrapped due to cartridge space. It's one thing to have full, unique following animations for just Pikachu, but all 251 Pokémon? That's definitely stretching the GB/C's capabilities. The DS carts, on the other hand, had far more room, so that's why HGSS could do it.

    I know about the Sweet Honey thing. I'm guessing that's what they were originally going to use the Headbutt trees for before they decided to make Headbutt a field move. Ironic that they never had it in HGSS, especially since they were released in the Generation that Sweet Honey was (re)introduced.

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    It could be that they thought it might be boring, and I guess I can see that. But still, if they were going to make him lose anyway like they did, it would be better for Ash as a character to have him face the top trainers in the nation and lose, not lose to some Rando whose only claim to fame is getting 8 badges like everyone else.
    Especially, if it's a Rando who's nothing more than a palette swap of Ash. Or, one who uses a bunch of cheap, "banned" Legendaries.

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    Oh, sad day. I'm afarid if I only have the first chapter, it will just get me into it and then not be able to go on since I don't speak Japanese. :/
    I know, such a a bummer. It's a shame that the manga isn't more popular.

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    Maybe one of these days I'll end up writing a fanfic again. Maybe a fic based on one of my hacks that expands on the story? Could be fun.
    A hack-based fic could be fun, although the PC's gender could pose a dilemma.
  12. BettyNewbie
    April 7th, 2015 07:09 PM
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    Mhm, like what Gen 2 letting you visit Kanto without it being a remake. It would be nice to see how things have changed in the old regions over the years -- or to have a game set in Johto BEFORE GSC, like I'm planning to do for Spirits and Legends. (In that hack, Team Rocket is still presumed to be defeated and aren't the antagonists, but there will be a cameo where you battle at least a couple of trainers who look normal but have the Rocket class, but nobody takes them seriously).
    Oh, a pre-GSC Johto, I'd love that! I know I certainly would've rather seen that in FRLG instead of those boring Orange Island ripoffs. I hate how FRLG completely ignored Johto's existence, as if GSC had never happened.

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    That probably explains why Dork Raisin and Snakewood are as popular as they are. xD
    "Dork Raisin," LOL.

    Yeah, that's Sturgeon's Law for 'ya. The GBA games have become so easy to hack that almost anyone can do it, so you end up with some rather questionable stuff, mostly made by kids who want to "adapt" their FF.net archives into a game. They haven't completely left the "Pogeymanz iz 4 babiez" phase, so they think they're being more "mature" by adding in a bunch of violence, sex, and cussing along with their chicken scratch MS Paint sprites.

    On the other hand, the GB/C games are harder to hack, so you see a little more quality, although there are still plenty of bad ones.

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    From what I can tell, there is some indication that following Pokémon were planned in GSC and scrapped. The fact that this came back for HG/SS seems to make this suggestion even stronger to me. Maybe one day HG/SS hacking will be to the point we can have our nice yellow remakes we want. In the meantime, I'll keep my eye on the Essentials one.
    Interesting. I always thought that the following Pokémon in HGSS were mostly just a nod to Yellow (like Cerulean Cave's layout) to "make up" for FRLG ignoring the game, but I never knew that this was something possibly planned for GSC. Of course, Yellow was a testing ground for many things that would later be implemented in GSC, such as the Happiness system, so it wouldn't surprise me if following Pokémon was one of them.

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    Gamefreak is basically out to screw any E4 member that isn't Cynthia out of any sort of spotlight (and we already know what they wanna do to Cynthia). Can I just like... go back in time real quick and slap them around a little and tell them to do the anime right? *Gets in a DeLorean*
    Game Freak has no involvement with the anime, although it wouldn't surprise me if their own disdain for E4 members was partially influenced by the anime writers'. (And, there obviously had to have been different writers on board during DP, because it still shocks me that the Sinnoh E4 was treated so well on the show. Usually, what happens is that they show one E4 member as a throwaway COTD and completely ignore the rest.)

    It's possible the the anime first opted for a Stadium-style tournament over the E4 challenge is because they thought that the E4 challenge would be "boring," but I think they were just lacking creativity. They already handled the Gyms differently on the show, so why not the E4? (Even the actual Stadium games, themselves, didn't ignore them, after all.)

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    Yeah, makes sense they would use those names before GSC. Sounds like it would be a pretty fun read! I'll make sure to check it out when I get the chance.
    Unfortunately, it's never been officially released in English, and since it's not as popular as (gag) Adventures or even the Clefairy Manga, there aren't as many fan translations. Someone did complete the first chapter here, though.

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    Somehow, all this talk of fanfics and canon/non-cannon stories and stuff reminds me of this fanfic I started to write like... a decade ago. I've lost all but like 1 chapter of it, but it was very poorly written (I've since gotten a degree in English Lit and taken several creative writing courses so I could probably do it a LOT better now xD) but it was a story about Hiro's jounrey in Johto that was totally canon. And by canon, I mean it involved such memorable plot points as Hiro renting a cabin at Cherrygrove Lake with his girlfriend (who totally existed), trolling scientists at ruins of alph, a cyndaquil that refused to stay in its Pokeball and could talk (and I wanna think he was a pervert too because I was in like middle school and thought that would be cool). Some parts of the story could be fun to revisit, others need to end up on the drawing board lol.
    Yeah, I think we all made up our own stories about the games back then, even if they weren't usually the best quality. I know I certainly did, although I mixed mine with a lot of anime canon (which I was a big fan of back then).
  13. BettyNewbie
    April 7th, 2015 05:03 PM
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    Would've been nice, for sure. Most of what I remember liking about X/Y were feature things, not the region itself. Like, I enjoy character customization a lot. I change my outfit to fit the area I'm in so it's more realistic, plus yknow just being able to customize in general is a huge step that I hate they seemed to take away for ORAS. And I thought riding on Pokemon was neat, but not as cool as it could have been. And being able to fly to routes in ORAS is another cool Gen 6 feature. But again, would've been nice to have new features but just go back to an existing region instead of giving us Japanese France.
    I feel similar. Almost all of XY's strong points are gameplay-related, while the setting, itself, is bland and forgettable. (One way how the games are catering more to Smogon Drones, of course.) If GF was going to put that little effort into the new region, then they really should've just given us an older one, instead. We need to see more older regions revisited in a non-remake context, anyways.

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    Seriously, I don't know what they're smoking to think those comics are anything close to canon. I can see how they are inspired by the canon but yeah.
    A lot of them love how Adventures is "dark and edgy" and want to see the games like that. Many of these people are also the same people who make creepypastas of the games and clutter FF.net with terrible dark!fic. (And, many of them probably look like this in RL. )

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    The anime is clearly the one that GF cares about. Some people discount Yellow because it was based on the anime (I seem to remember hearing people say Yellow shouldn't be considered canon and stuff), but I always thought it was cool and still do. I've just been dissappointed with the quality of Yellow remakes over the years (since like all of them lack the whole Pikachu follows you mechanic, which was a huge deal in Yellow)
    Yellow's clearly the game that GSC reference the most, so I'd say it's canon, like it or not. I like Yellow, myself. Not only was it my first Pokémon game ever, but the anime references were a nice touch and it was, overall, a cleaner and more complete version of RB. FRLG suffered by completely ignoring it, IMO.

    The biggest reason why most Yellow remakes lack following Pikachu is because Follow Me is very hard to implement on a GBA base. It's a shame HeartGold isn't nearly as hackable as FireRed, because that would be the perfect base for a Yellow remake. But, for the time being, I can just recommend Lightning Yellow again. It's an Essentials game rather than a hack, so Pikachu follows you as it should.

    Another, arguably bigger, problem I have with many Yellow remakes is that they insist on making the protagonist Ash instead of Red. Yes, Yellow took inspiration from the anime, but it's still part of game canon, not anime canon. You played as Red in the originals, so you should still play as him (or Green, if you're a girl) in the remake.

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    It really bothered me that they turned the Pokémon League into basically an anime version of Pokémon Stadium for the N64. I mean, we already knew by then that it wasn't going to stay faithful to the games, but that was just really weird. I could see adding new areas and whatnot because yknow the world is kinda small in the games, so it made sense. But that was just "wat".
    What bothered me the most about it was that it basically screwed the Elite Four out of ever being treated equally on the show (as if they didn't already get screwed enough in the games). Despite being in Gen 1 from the start, Lance and Agatha had to wait years to appear on the show, the latter not even appearing all the way until AG! (And, they also didn't appear until after they had been redesigned in the games, so the only place you saw them in their Gen 1 outfits was on a Pokémon Monopoly card... And, yes, anime!Lance really did have purple hair originally. )

    And, with the exception of Lance, they were all reduced to being throwaway COTDs (although Bruno and Lorelei's episodes weren't that bad). Not that Lance got off much better, mind you, dropping off the face of the earth after that horrible Groudon vs Kyogre episode from 10 years ago, all while Clair got to come back again and again.

    And, as bad as Gen 1's E4 got it, other E4s got it even worse. Most E4 members have never even appeared on the anime, and the Gen 2 E4, as far as we know, doesn't even exist in it. Only the Sinnoh E4's gotten any kind of equality, all appearing on the show in the same season and actually having significance to their region's tournament... Too bad it's a lame region, though.

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    As for Origins, I dunno, I enjoyed it, but I wished it was longer. I would have liked to have seen it cover the story better instead of a lot of things being condensed into flashbacks. I also actually liked when people literally said things word for word that I remembered NPCs say in the game, because it was both unexpected and still a sign that they tried to stick closer to it. And I liked how they explained the gyms scaling with your level with Brock asking how many badges Red had and choosing to use those two Pokémon because of it. I thought the gameboy things showing up at times were cool, but it would have been ok without them. Partially I was just glad to have one that was faithful to the games at this point lol.
    To me, the special's biggest problem was that it lacked Gameplay and Story Segregation. It tried too hard to recreate gameplay in animated form instead of fleshing out the storyline. Let's face it, Gen 1's story is extremely barebones, and while that works in a game, it doesn't work in a medium that's 100% storytelling. And, things like levels, HP, and whatnot just don't belong in story form. There's a reason why the anime ignores them.

    Pokémon Zensho is what Origins should've been. Here's a summary of just the first chapter:

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    Satoshi is searching around for his first Pokémon. While searching, he trips and falls and when he looks up he sees a flock of Pidgey. They're just about to attack him when a flame blazes through the air and hurts one of the Pidgey. The others run away to avoid being burned. It's Professor Oak and a Charmander, who saved Satoshi from the flock.


    Prof. Oak takes Satoshi to his lab, where his anxious grandson Shigeru waits. Shigeru is surprised to see Satoshi with Prof. Oak for he is Satoshi's rival. Prof. Oak shows Satoshi three Poké Balls, and tells him to choose one of three starter Pokémon: Squirtle, Bulbasaur, or Charmander. Satoshi chooses Charmander, because it's the same Charmander that had saved him earlier, while Shigeru chooses Squirtle, and Prof. Oak keeps the Bulbasaur.
    Shigeru decides to challenge Satoshi, and Satoshi accepts. Charmander attacks, but it's ineffective against Shigeru's Squirtle. Squirtle shoots water out of its mouth while Charmander dodges. Then Satoshi orders Charmander to tackle which instantly wins the battle. While Satoshi cheers his first victory, Prof. Oak gives Shigeru and Satoshi a Pokédex, and explains to them what the Pokédex does.

    (Note that this was released before Gen 2 canonized the PC/rival names as Red and Green/Blue.)


    See, it's still very faithful to the games, but it adds a story element by having Charmander save Red Satoshi from a flock of Pidgey at the start. It's not just a literal dumping of the game, mechanics and all, onto another medium.


    Of course, Zensho had a lot more time to tell its story than Origins, and it also wasn't created for the ultimate purpose of advertising a certain Mega Evolution.
  14. BettyNewbie
    April 5th, 2015 04:38 PM
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    Yeah there were a lot of things about Kalos that weren't very original, which counteract some of the cool things they added.
    And, oh look, the region's name is a 5-letter word that starts with a K. And, look at what starters they gave you.

    Could we have please gotten the real Kanto instead of this boring knockoff?

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    Yeah, I never understood those people either. I mean, I've read a little bit of adventures here and there but I never got super into it like people did and I certainly don't consider it canon. Anymore, I associate it was hacks of questionable quality made by Athesode and (random string of numbers for a username) and not with the official games at all. I wouldn't have wanted the official games to go the adventures route either.
    Adventures is as far away from canon as possible. Like, even more so than the anime. Its rabid fans just don't want to admit that they prefer an AU fanfic interpretation of the games (which is exactly what it is) to the games, themselves, so they pretend that it's 100% faithful and accurate to make themselves feel better. (And, will readily chew out anyone who suggests otherwise.) At least, anime fans can acknowledge that their favorite adaptation isn't game canon and aren't bothered by it at all.

    Luckily, though, Adventures fans are one part of the fandom that GF happily ignores. It's been almost 20 years, and the number of Adventures references can be counted on less than one hand--Silver being Giovanni's son in FRLG/HGSS and the Archie/Jirachi backstory in ORAS. Meanwhile, the anime got an entire game tribute, among other things. Suck it, Adventures fans!

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    I feel like maybe if they had gone more along the lines of Origins from the beginning, with Red and Blue and all that instead of Ash and Gary, it could have been better by nature of being a lot more closely tied to the games' canon while elaborating on it, instead of the anime we got which was... whatever it is lol. But I will agree, keeping Ash into Johto was a road they never should have gone down.
    Well, at the very beginning, I think Ash and Gary were meant to be anime versions of Red and Blue--Ash/Satoshi and Gary/Shigeru were default names in RGB, after all, and the Red/Blue names weren't canonized until Gen 2. Their original designs were also very similar to Red and Blue's, and Gary's snotty, bratty personality was very similar to how Blue was in the games. The main reason they had Ash start with Pikachu instead of one of the regular starters was so they wouldn't favor one starter over another.

    However, as soon as Ash returned for Johto, if not even earlier (like when the Elite Four challenge from the games was replaced with a new tournament), it became very evident that the anime was not going to follow the games' path at all and that Ash really was a different person from Red.

    Of course, there is such a thing as being too faithful, as Origins sadly proved. Origins was a literal copy/paste of the games, right down to the HP bars and text boxes (which had no business being there), and the end result was a very dry, boring anime, high on action, low on humor and heart. I'll admit that the Marowak subplot was nicely done, but otherwise, it wasn't anything I hadn't already seen in the games. The anime may not have been 100% faithful, but at least, it actually expanded on Kanto and made it seem fun and interesting.

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    Cool, thanks. Kinda looks like it was based on Prof Oak a little for his trench coat. I'll go ahead and get him in the game :3
    Um, I kinda used Oak's body as a base. You're welcome, though.
  15. BettyNewbie
    April 5th, 2015 10:41 AM
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    But yeah, it really has suffered this gen. And the evil team in Gen 6 was just... I don't even know. They were flambouyant and strange, and had this goal of destroying the world and taking themselves out with it or whatever? It was just really dumb IMO. Could have been a lot better.
    Team Flare was extremely generic and unoriginal. Everything about them had already been done better by a previous Evil Team. (Even their very name was a knockoff of Team Rocket.)

    In fact, all of these things could be said for Kalos as a whole, IMO. GF would've been wiser to set XY in a previous region and make them sequels if they couldn't make a new region that was worth giving a damn about. I know that Gen 5's story was hard to top, but they could've done so much better.

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    Definitely agree there. One of my biggest pet peeves with hacks is when the creator tries way too hard to be "edgy" and "dark" so they can be cool. You can cover more serious themes, as well as include supernatural and and dark elements to a story without making it sound like an emo kid's Xanga entry from back in the day. I'm definitely glad the series didn't try to go there, but I would have been all for having it grow with the fans.
    Forgive me if you like it, but this is my biggest problem with the Adventures manga. It tries to be "dark and edgy" by turning heroic game characters evil and depicting Pokémon getting sliced in half, among other things, but all it does is come across as a bad dark!fic of the games. It's completely uninteresting and not nearly as well-written as it (or its fans) think it is. (Plus, its art style makes me wretch.) The fact that so many fans think Adventures is "100% faithful" or even "game canon" only makes it worse.

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    As for the anime, yeah, I've thought for years that it would have been infinitely better if the anime had 1) Followed the games' characters instead of Ash, and 2) Characters that showed up over time had actually aged. On the one hand, I can see that they want to market the anime and the games to kids, because that is still the target demographic, but you can't just alienate people too. But by sticking with Ash, they are alienating everyone. Kids these days who have never played Red Version have no idea who Ash is even based on at this point, they know Calem and Serena and the other PCs from newer gens, so they are alienated, and the rest of us are sick to death of Ash and his ageless nonsense.
    Ideally, Ash should've been dropped after the Orange Islands, with Jimmy (and preferably, Janine and Falkner as his companions) taking over as the main characters in Johto. However, the nasty backlash that resulted when Tracey replaced Brock scared them away from doing such a large cast overhaul, so we ended up getting the Original Trio Redux in Johto, but without any of the things that made them enjoyable in Kanto. The anime Jumped the Shark hard in Johto, and I don't think it has really recovered from it.

    Anyways, I'm done with David Tennant/Looker:

About Me

  • About Mateo
    Biography
    Hey guys, I'm Mateo. I was the co-founder of the Skeetendo Inc. Hacking Group (before it was a community, when it was just me and Pyro). I'm still a huge fan of Gen II, and so I still enjoy playing and hacking those games. I'm currently working on a "Johto Legacy" series that continues the story of G/S/C that consists of the "Pokémon Christmas" hack, and an upcoming prequel called "Pokémon Spirits and Legends" (that currently has no thread here).
    Interests
    Rom Hacking, Internetting, Cooking, The Sims 2, Music, Random things, Etc.
    Location
    Celadon Mansion
    Occupation
    Romhacker
    Nature
    Quirky
    Also Known As
    Luna
    Favorite Pokémon
    Lugia, Mewtwo, Zigzagoon, Eevee, Espeon, Umbreon, Suicune, Charmander
    Twitter
    RomhackerMateo
    Olympics Region
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